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One thing's for certain, the dissent by the dozens of posts every time a Ukrainian ship/large aircraft is lost wouldn't be tolerated on the war-pimp thread.

Oh, wait, the Ukrainians don't have any large airplanes/ships, and that thread is only for Ukrainian-Biden propaganda.

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I'm sure staff will happily weigh in with any feedback they have, but I'm confident there would be no issue discussing a Ukrainian plane getting shot down given that it's a tactical (I.e not political) topic.

What wouldn't be welcome is tin foil WEF bio lab conspiracies and blaming the entirety of the war on literally everyone but the one person who started it. That's what this thread is for.

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Sure thing, boss.

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I wonder if Ukraine knows that Russia only gets "stronger" when you destroy their military assets?

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So the big question is did those analysts on board see the incoming? How long did they have, and what do you think they conversed about?

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At the risk of de-railing this conversation...

The biggest challenge facing us today is that the military we have is great for basically every situation but one.

China.

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Jeez. That made quite the splash!

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Yes, it's a very serious, adult conversation over there. Not war-pimping/cheerleading like it's a video game at all. Totally professional.

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Flag away if you think the posts are inappropriate. Or you can email moderator@texags.com. I bet they'd welcome the feedback.

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LOL.

What professional background do you have that gives you the expertise to state any of that?

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LOL indeed. What…part do you disagree with. How is a Mainstay akin to an E-7, in mission, or capability. I'll hang up and listen.

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Those planes are old. They tricked Ukraine into using a valuable missile on it. Russia got stronger with that exchange

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Multiplication by subtraction?

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What strikes did those platforms help the Russians successfully defend against?

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Was the theory that it is operating there to protect against cruise missile strikes of the Kerch bridge or Sevastopol?

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LOL.

What professional background do you have that gives you the expertise to state any of that?

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LOL indeed. What…part do you disagree with. How is a Mainstay akin to an E-7, in mission, or capability. I'll hang up and listen.

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Mission: Airborne Early Warning / Command and Control

Capability: Depends on the variant

Simple enough?

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Those planes are old. They tricked Ukraine into using a valuable missile on it. Russia got stronger with that exchange

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Multiplication by subtraction?

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What strikes did those platforms help the Russians successfully defend against?

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Was the theory that it is operating there to protect against cruise missile strikes of the Kerch bridge or Sevastopol?

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Makes you wonder if it's a target of opportunity or if the Ukes have something planned for that bridge/area

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LOL.

What professional background do you have that gives you the expertise to state any of that?

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LOL indeed. What…part do you disagree with. How is a Mainstay akin to an E-7, in mission, or capability. I'll hang up and listen.

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Mission: Airborne Early Warning / Command and Control

Capability: Depends on the variant

Simple enough?

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So, you don't know, ok.

The E-3(D) is essentially 15 years newer electronically, than the Mainstay. The E-7 is 25+ years newer than that. If the Mainstay worked…remotely well, there would be a lot more than 2, or 7 or 9 or whatever in the air/service globally. It just has never has worked well. In practice/deployments, they can't actually refuel them even in the air.

The E-3's limit has been the 10 seconds to refresh when tracking a cruise missile…the mainstay probably needs even longer and is frankly comparatively just rubbish as a command/control platform. The E-7 is an order of magnitude more capable in both data collection/surveillance and communication/control.

While some may blast me as a 'Putin-fan' or whatever Ivan slur, the Russian air-based air defense assets have been…ineffective vs. the cruise missile strikes when the UAF has gotten them off. The ground based ones, ok, sometimes (why the Ukes have targeted smaller ports/facilities more of late). Comparing an A-50 mainstay to an E-7 is akin to comparing a MiG-21 to an F-35, because they are both fighters.

But you didn't compare the A-50U to the E-7. Texags needs to know!

Damn man, you're the expert. Do you want my job?

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But you didn't compare the A-50U to the E-7. Texags needs to know!

Damn man, you're the expert. Do you want my job?

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I don't know what your job is. You seem to want to share it a lot. Reminds me of the guy at discount tire who is a car expert. (Not disparaging your service, of course).

I don't want your job, but I do think it's sad what is going on in Ukraine and that Russia will ramp up strikes over the next 72 hours. We'll see, I guess.

When Putin speaks, we should listen. It is important to understand your enemies.

Putin : “As for this negotiation process, this is an attempt to encourage us to abandon the gains that we have realized over the past two years. This is impossible . Everyone understands that this is impossible: both the ruling circles in Ukraine and the Western elites.”

— -- GEROMAN -- time will tell - 👀 -- (@GeromanAT) January 16, 2024

I have stated my profession already. Perhaps look at a previous post. I simplified the answer to what roughly equates to losing an A-50 vs western air forces equivalents without getting into details most don't care about or understand. This discussion is dumb and not worthwhile, however the constant moving goal posts as to what signifies a large loss for Russian forces does not convince anyone outside of the echo chamber you live in of your point (or lack thereof).

I agree it's dumb to compare an A-50 to an E-7, just as much as it is to compare a MiG-21 to an F-35. Glad we agree. Some of these discussions remind me of when an E-4 or junior NCO (or even warrant officer) would claim to be an expert in all sorts of things, based on their depth of experience/insights.

Again, not a single war proponent 'dropping by' today with AEWC expertise has discussed what the A-50 does well.

Because it doesn't really do anything well. Just snarky cheerleading for one side shooting down a 'big plane' of the side they dislike, in Biden's proxy war.

I was told if you achieve "Ace" status on DCS you get to wade in on internet conversations like this. I'll stick with making sick DCS YouTube videos. Apologies.

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I agree it's dumb to compare an A-50 to an E-7, just as much as it is to compare a MiG-21 to an F-35. Glad we agree. Some of these discussions remind me of when an E-4 or junior NCO (or even warrant officer) would claim to be an expert in all sorts of things, based on their depth of experience/insights.

Again, not a single war proponent 'dropping by' today with AEWC expertise has discussed what the A-50 does well.

Because it doesn't really do anything well. Just snarky cheerleading for one side shooting down a 'big plane' of the side they dislike, in Biden's proxy war.

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Don't look at what it does well compared to what western equipment does well. That's just not fair.

You have to look at it from the perspective of Russia. It's one of the better things they have even though it sucks.

And they lost their sucky better thing.

🇺🇦🚨‼️ BREAKING: Ukranians have already started shooting at Ukrainian military recruiters.

A military recruiter and a policeman, tried to break into the man’s apartment.

Without hesitation, he shot. pic.twitter.com/z6ObD57HMz

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) January 16, 2024

Maria Zakharova:

„Another act of historical vandalism is happening right now in Dresden, Germany, during an uprising of peasants and farmers who, judging by the slogans, are fed up with the economic policies of the Olaf Scholz cabinet.

In front of the surprised public, the… pic.twitter.com/AoDbxmU8q4

— Zlatti71 (@djuric_zlatko) January 16, 2024

“War is peace.
Freedom is slavery.
Ignorance is strength.”

— George Orwellpic.twitter.com/3S4R0bNybL

— Kim Dotcom (@KimDotcom) January 16, 2024

🚨🌎 THE WEF - Davos 2024

The Globalist Lunatics certainly are living up to expectations in Davos.

Here is head of the EU - Ursula von der Leyen claiming the biggest threat in the world is Mis-information & Dis-information - bigger than Global wars, bigger than Climate Change.… pic.twitter.com/rZ7Q6MYwZe

— Concerned Citizen (@BGatesIsaPyscho) January 16, 2024

The WEF and EU are not happy with any of us for disagreeing with them about either global warming or the Biden proxy war in Ukraine.

The "good-guys;"

Unsurprisingly, supposed chief editor of "Narodna Pravda," bogus black PR website that has gone after Ukraine's top investigative journalists who've been critical of govt, has no publicly available social accounts and her image appears to be AI-generated. https://t.co/AeARIUyVa7

— Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) January 17, 2024

Head of the Ukrainian Parliament's committee on freedom of speech, @yarlyur, says he will send a request to the security services to investigate who's behind the surveillance of @bihusinfo journalists.https://t.co/lYVqpk4dsq

— Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) January 17, 2024

Evil enemy-of-mankind Putin, meanwhile, pointing out how China Joe won;

Russian president says they stole it from Donald.

pic.twitter.com/VgelhC4cjU

— Lord Bebo (@MyLordBebo) January 17, 2024

Maybe Roseanne Barr was right;

The prospect of a global conflict feels like a self-fulfilling prophecy driven by warmongering rather than diplomatic failure, and it's disturbing how some powers may stand to gain from such a prediction. https://t.co/P5B9VSghKC

— We Got It (@WeGotIt2k) January 16, 2024

“Ukraine's counteroffensive failed. If this continues, the question of their statehood will soon arise” -Putin

“Stop fighting and your country will remain the country you love, keep fighting and everything you think you’re fighting for will be destroyed”

This is as clear of a…

— ayden (@squatsons) January 16, 2024

Me and the homies might be outliving Ukraine.

Lets not forget how we got here

‼️ In a new court filing today, the DOJ confirms Hunter Biden’s laptop is real, that he left it at a computer store, and that the contents matched what they obtained from a search warrant of his iCloud.
Don’t hold your breath for a retraction from Joe Biden (“It’s a Russian… pic.twitter.com/xSZ2YG8JIB

— Miranda Devine (@mirandadevine) January 17, 2024

⚡️🇷🇺Wow - what was in that thing? MaxxPro goes nuclear after Russian drone drop.

Group of troops "Dnepr". Kherson direction.
Drone operators destroyed an International MaxxPro VFU armored car on the right bank of the Dnieper. pic.twitter.com/KfPWk8y1cQ

— SIMPLICIUS Ѱ (@simpatico771) January 17, 2024

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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“Ukraine's counteroffensive failed. If this continues, the question of their statehood will soon arise” -Putin

“Stop fighting and your country will remain the country you love, keep fighting and everything you think you’re fighting for will be destroyed”

This is as clear of a…

— ayden (@squatsons) January 16, 2024

Me and the homies might be outliving Ukraine.

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Or he could a stop his invasion….

What?

White Hats confirm killing of Lloyd Austin in Ukraine. ?More details.. conspiratorial?

The White Hat Coalition confirmed that criminal Defense Secretary Lloyd Austin was killed in Ukraine on January 3 by a Russian cruise missile strike that destroyed a command post where Austin… pic.twitter.com/VA9jsFq84M

— Peacemaker (@peacemaket71) January 17, 2024

I really doubt that one, though.

This is very believable:

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Chinese Premier Li Qiang shot down Ukrainian President Vladimir Zelensky's request for a meeting at the World Economic Forum (WEF) gathering in Davos this week, Politico reported on Wednesday. Several days beforehand, Ukrainian official Andrey Yermak had said that talks with China would be essential to push Kiev's controversial "peace plan."

A senior US official told the news site that "Beijing rejected Kiev's request for a meeting at some point during their mutual Swiss visits," while another American official said that China has ruled out any "diplomatic encounters"with Ukraine at Russia's behest. A Ukrainian official claimed that no meeting between Li and Zelensky was ever planned, while the Chinese government refused to comment.

News of the apparent snub is a setback for Zelensky, after envoys from 83 countries gathered in the Alpine resort on Sunday to discuss Kiev's 10-point proposal to end the conflict in Ukraine. China did not send a representative to the talks, which ended without a joint communique being issued.
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Speaking to reporters after the discussion concluded, Andrey Yermak, the head of Ukraine's presidential office, said that Kiev would "find ways to work with China" on the 'peace plan', before suggesting that Zelensky and Li would meet when the WEF's annual summit began the following day.

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Penny Pritzker: member and former director of liberal-fascist Council on Foreign Relations, chair of Carnegie Endowment. Thomas Pritzker: member of CFR, chair of CSIS, chair of Hyatt Hotels.

— JohnSmith (@JohnSmith_2048) January 17, 2024

Thought I would share some notes from an investor call I was on yesterday. Guest speakers were Sir Nick Carter (former UK SecDef) and Robert Gates who were asked to comment on a variety of geopolitical events.

Nothing groundbreaking overall however note the bold below that highlights the duplicity of Europe and why we need to abandon their ass to their own devices. To their credit, both Carter and Gates called out this hypocrisy.

Nick Carter

• Still predicting stalemate and doesn't think Ukraine can mount an offensive.
• Thinks Russia has the advantage but doesn't think they can make decisive gains.
• Questions Ukraine's strategy and everything depends on western funding and patience.
• Doesn't think negotiations will happen in 2024 due to US elections. Thinks Putin has the strategic advantage, currently.
• Eu countries (especially Germany) have massively increased exports to Krygyzstan and other Russian satellites to get around rules against trading directly with Russia. A chart posted showed EU exports increasing from ~$5-10B per year from 2008 to 2022 and skyrocketing to $75B in 2023 to Russian satellites.

Robert Gates

• EU must step up on defense and do more for Ukraine and fund their own defense much more. Example given: Germany can only fight for 2 days if they had to.
• US running up against limitations on our own military resources to give.
• Majority of Congress supports Ukraine but procedurally challenging to pass.
• Cornyn saying that Congress only has one opportunity to fund Ukraine in 2024.
• Israel is a welcome distraction for Putin.
• Russia has all the strategic advantage at this point. Putin's demands are: 4 provinces of Donbas, Crimea, regime change in Kiev, and Ukraine not in NATO.

Thx. I saw a tweet this am with Russian trucks lined up in Kazakhstan and apparently they do the old 'change the label to say it was made here' trick at will/freely, going into the EU. I suspect the sanctions are just for public show mostly at this point.

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• Russian foreign minister, Sergei Lavrov, held his annual briefing on Thursday in Moscow. In the near three-hour long news conference, he said Russia's "special military operation" in Ukraine had "brought about a certain purification of [Russian] society" and made it "healthier". He also said Russia "can no longer trust the west".
• Ukraine will not decide on conditions to end the conflict as "Washingtonis calling the shots" said Lavrov at his annual briefing in Moscow. On the security cooperation agreement recently announced by the UK and Ukraine, Lavrov called it a "half-baked product" containing no "legally binding agreements". He added that not the "slightest interest" has been shown by the US and other western nations in ending the war.
• Lavrov claimed the US and other western countries were being surpassed by "emerging and strengthening centres of economic growth, financial power and political influence", although he was not specific about which countries. Lavrov also said Russia's relations with China were at "their best period in history".

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Very informative. Thank you for sharing.

Wasn't one if the reasons for the special military operation to take out the Nazis there? Why isn't that listed as a demand?

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Wasn't one if the reasons for the special military operation to take out the Nazis there? Why isn't that listed as a demand?

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"Regime change in Kiev"

To End The War In Ukraine, Expose Its Core Lie https://t.co/GheUh5sxPj

— zerohedge (@zerohedge) January 19, 2024

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The mistake that most analysts at the time made (these authors included), was to assume that since the troops mobilized by Russia did not suffice for a full scale occupation of Ukraine, no military operation, not even a limited one, was in the offing. It was only later that Western political leaders turned this mistake to their propaganda advantage by insisting that Russia had always intended to first take Kiev, then all of Ukraine, and ultimately even attack NATO.

But if basic military logic is taken into account, the fact that Putin committed only 120,000190,000 men to his campaign and did not mobilize more resources until months later, after Kiev rejected the Istanbul peace deal, indicates that his objectives in Ukraine were limited and revolved around guaranteeing the security of the populations of Donbass and Crimea from Ukrainian assaults and Russia from NATO expansion. Given that Ukraine had cut off Crimea's water and electricity years before, this required a land bridge to the region; hence, the illegal annexations of the Kherson and Zaporozhye regions.

We also have indirect confirmation that territory was not his objective from an unimpeachable source: NATO General Secretary Jens Stoltenberg, who stated that Putin invaded Ukraine to prevent NATO's expansion. This would explain why, as soon as these goals were within reach when Ukrainian officials initialed the draft of the Istanbul Agreement in March 2022, Putin halted his assault and withdrew Russian forces from Kiev, rather than move further into Ukraine.

This background is important, because the argument for increasing Western military support for Ukraine relies so heavily on the claim that Russia always intended to expand further, attack NATO, and reestablish the Russian empire.

But, as noted scholar John Mearsheimer has pointed out, "there is no evidence in the public record that Putin was contemplating, much less intending to put an end to Ukraine as an independent state and make it part of greater Russia when he sent his troops into Ukraine on February 24th." It was never one of Putin's stated goals, nor was it ever taken seriously by the Ukrainian leadership. David Arakhamia, the head of Ukraine's negotiating team in Belarus and Istanbul, recently revealed that the "key point" for Russia was Ukraine not joining NATO, and "everything else was simply rhetoric and political 'seasoning.'"

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NATO Sec-Gen Jens Stoltenberg declares the Ukraine proxy war a fight for NATO expansion and the limitless right to place military installations on Russia’s frontiers - something no Western power would accept from an adversary pic.twitter.com/ZaJFBjQnre

— Max Blumenthal (@MaxBlumenthal) September 22, 2023

Is the Biden proxy war for nato expansion really worth it? No.

For globalist elites at Davos, Putin has replaced Covid as their central obsession and neurosis. This is not to say there isn’t an issue, but as with Covid, the threat to the world has been greatly inflated. And as with Covid, their response has only made the situation worse.

— David Sacks (@DavidSacks) January 18, 2024

NEWS UPDATE & ANALYSIS VESELE HAS FALLEN, WHAT'S NEXT, JAN 19 2024
RuAF has taken the Village of Vesele (2) after hard fighting during a long time. It's not a metropolis (photo) and had around 100 inhabitants at its zenith, but only 25 in 2022. RuAF has now breached the… https://t.co/goQM52FPy2 pic.twitter.com/ErLj1M2f42

— Mikael Valtersson (@MikaelValterss1) January 19, 2024

JW: over the summer of 2023, Ukraine was firing up to 7,000 artillery shells a day. Then: Russia is likely to be able to fire about 5m rounds at Ukraine in 2024

So 7K🇺🇦saved up & concentrated for the summer push vs c.14K🇷🇺 set to do EVERY OTHER DAY AT THE OFFICE

Pack it up son https://t.co/7NRuUz643P

— Matt Davies (@MNormanDavies) January 19, 2024

Russia prepares for major offensive?

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As the temperature drops and the ground in Ukraine eventually freezes over the coming weeks, according to Insitute for the Study of War (ISW) there is growing speculation that the Russian military will launch a new offensive specifically targeting the eastern and southern regions. The situation is marked by a complex intersection of strategic objectives and environmental challenges.

The Russian military's primary objective in Eastern Ukraine is twofold: first, to capture the remaining territories of Luhansk Oblast while extending their control westward into the eastern parts of Kharkiv Oblast and the northern regions of Donetsk Oblast; second, to secure complete control over Donetsk Oblast. These efforts are reflective of Russia's broader strategy to consolidate its influence over the contested Donbas region.

Ukrainian forces, adopting a strategy of active defense, engage in smaller yet strategically significant counterattacks, aimed at maintaining persistent pressure on Russian advancements. This approach seems to be focused on gradually eroding the Russian military's capabilities, despite Russia's large advantage in manpower.

The ISW's analysis indicates a probable shortfall in Russia's ability to realize significant operational breakthroughs, despite potential intensification of their offensive operations. Factors such as the limited number of Russian military personnel at the frontline, adequate for localized tactical maneuvers but insufficient for substantial operational achievements, and the adverse impact of severe winter conditions on military activities, including the functionality of artillery and drone systems, contribute to this assessment.

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I agree it's dumb to compare an A-50 to an E-7, just as much as it is to compare a MiG-21 to an F-35. Glad we agree. Some of these discussions remind me of when an E-4 or junior NCO (or even warrant officer) would claim to be an expert in all sorts of things, based on their depth of experience/insights.

Again, not a single war proponent 'dropping by' today with AEWC expertise has discussed what the A-50 does well.

Because it doesn't really do anything well. Just snarky cheerleading for one side shooting down a 'big plane' of the side they dislike, in Biden's proxy war.

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it did just cost the Russkies an additional $300 million in losses

that's not "nothing"

"No ability to mount an offensive"

Akhmat sniper ending a two man Ukrainian patrol. pic.twitter.com/tWyoIFCc1D

— ayden (@squatsons) January 17, 2024

Thermal scopes looking like a video game

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I agree it's dumb to compare an A-50 to an E-7, just as much as it is to compare a MiG-21 to an F-35. Glad we agree. Some of these discussions remind me of when an E-4 or junior NCO (or even warrant officer) would claim to be an expert in all sorts of things, based on their depth of experience/insights.

Again, not a single war proponent 'dropping by' today with AEWC expertise has discussed what the A-50 does well.

Because it doesn't really do anything well. Just snarky cheerleading for one side shooting down a 'big plane' of the side they dislike, in Biden's proxy war.

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it did just cost the Russkies an additional $300 million in losses

that's not "nothing"

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According to war proponent math that was already spent, old money/asset that had been depreciated. Something, sure, but the replacement aircraft (if even built) would also pour more money/jobs into the economy. Crazy logic, yes, but we have to respect/be consistent with the 'reasoning', right?

"Thats just book value of old equipment"

Issue is I don't think they are building the A-50 anymore as they are focusing on the A-100 which appears to have a cost from $700 million to $1 billion each. The A-100 also requires high speed processing chips that Russia can't build and sanctions are slowing them down from getting them.

some of these articles...Q sent me type stuff.

Lloyd is dead?