chickencoupe16 said:

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Guys, the A50 was so bad that Russia wasn't even using it! Oh, wait, they were? Must have been useful in some way then...

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Give it a day or two and the Slimplicious's of the world will be saying that Russia purposely put the A50 in position to be destroyed so Ukraine would waste ADA ordinance, reveal their locations, and relieve the russians of old equipment because they have 200 models of the newer air frames coming every month.

chickencoupe16 said:

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Guys, the A50 was so bad that Russia wasn't even using it! Oh, wait, they were? Must have been useful in some way then...

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This is a relatively weak refutation of his point.

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Guys, the A50 was so bad that Russia wasn't even using it! Oh, wait, they were? Must have been useful in some way then...

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Give it a day or two and the Slimplicious's of the world will be saying that Russia purposely put the A50 in position to be destroyed so Ukraine would waste ADA ordinance, reveal their locations, and relieve the russians of old equipment because they have 200 models of the newer air frames coming every month.

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There's never been a better example of a strawman. If you can't refute Nortex, why respond at all?

chickencoupe16 said:

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Guys, the A50 was so bad that Russia wasn't even using it! Oh, wait, they were? Must have been useful in some way then...

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Ok, so I will also ask you, in what ways do you think an A-50 was effectively employed over the past 12 months? Why have the Russians ever only built 10 for themselves?

Russians are just 'stupid' and have terrible technology, which they dumbly throw at the battlefield, is all I have read elsewhere. Why would this one, older A-50, developed in 1978, be a significant impact, from the pro-war perspective?

Everything about this is propaganda, imho, and this was most likely a 'friendly fire' mistake all the way around from the Russians. It makes very little sense the Ukrainians would pull forward a Patriot battery that far.

It makes little sense to pull a patriot that far forward? Unless of course they wanted to shoot down that plane. You know, like they've done repeatedly.

But hey maybe it didn't get shot down. Or uh.. it's not useful anyway even though they were… using it. Or hey, it was just friendly fire, and that's better for some reason. That's the ticket!

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It makes little sense to pull a patriot that far forward? Unless of course they wanted to shoot down that plane. You know, like they've done repeatedly.

But hey maybe it didn't get shot down. Or uh.. it's not useful anyway even though they were… using it. Or hey, it was just friendly fire, and that's better for some reason. That's the ticket!

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Ukraine got smaller again, today. FYI. But as usual you as well won't cite any discussion as to the efficacy/effectiveness of the platform supposedly lost. No worries, you all just have believed in that 70's Soviet tech this whole time, without ever saying anything of the sort!

It's funny how one plane, maybe, brings over 2 dozen war supporters in favor of the totalitarian nazi's in Kiev here.

Making America…weaker, again.

"If you do not stop supplying weapons to Ukraine and killing Slavs, we Slavs will unite as brothers, and I believe we will unite and level Western Europe to the ground. I'm sure no one here wants that. The Ukrainian conflict is a US problem, it is their interests. The European… pic.twitter.com/90ad0x8nRJ

— Olga Bazova (@OlgaBazova) January 16, 2024

On mobilization:
- Putin will not announce mobilization before the elections. Around 1,000–1,100 people join the ranks of the Russian armed forces every day. Russians are motivated to join the army due to wages, especially in crisis regions. 17/17

— Giorgi Revishvili (@revishvilig) January 15, 2024

Nothing to see here;

WAR: After Trump’s landslide victory in Iowa we learn that Biden is deploying ground troops to Iraq and Syria. Please pray for our troops as they face attacks from Iranian forces and its proxies. And make sure you vote for peace in November. pic.twitter.com/wporhDhZCh

— @amuse (@amuse) January 16, 2024

pic.twitter.com/zz9mDx5H9T

— SIMPLICIUS Ѱ (@simpatico771) January 15, 2024

WEF 'Disease X' is just a myth. Davos 2024 with Zelensky and the WEF!

Now that your ludicrous take has been exposed, you go right back to Russian spam. Neat deal.

GAC06 said:

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Now that your ludicrous take has been exposed, you go right back to Russian spam. Neat deal.

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You literally can't articulate why the plane was important beyond the fact it was in the air.

It wasn't important but Russia was using it over an active battlefield and risked air crews in it?

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GAC06 said:

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It makes little sense to pull a patriot that far forward? Unless of course they wanted to shoot down that plane. You know, like they've done repeatedly.

But hey maybe it didn't get shot down. Or uh.. it's not useful anyway even though they were… using it. Or hey, it was just friendly fire, and that's better for some reason. That's the ticket!

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Ukraine got smaller again, today. FYI. But as usual you as well won't cite any discussion as to the efficacy/effectiveness of the platform supposedly lost. No worries, you all just have believed in that 70's Soviet tech this whole time, without ever saying anything of the sort!

It's funny how one plane, maybe, brings over 2 dozen war supporters in favor of the totalitarian nazi's in Kiev here.

Making America…weaker, again.

"If you do not stop supplying weapons to Ukraine and killing Slavs, we Slavs will unite as brothers, and I believe we will unite and level Western Europe to the ground. I'm sure no one here wants that. The Ukrainian conflict is a US problem, it is their interests. The European… pic.twitter.com/90ad0x8nRJ

— Olga Bazova (@OlgaBazova) January 16, 2024

On mobilization:
- Putin will not announce mobilization before the elections. Around 1,000–1,100 people join the ranks of the Russian armed forces every day. Russians are motivated to join the army due to wages, especially in crisis regions. 17/17

— Giorgi Revishvili (@revishvilig) January 15, 2024

Nothing to see here;

WAR: After Trump’s landslide victory in Iowa we learn that Biden is deploying ground troops to Iraq and Syria. Please pray for our troops as they face attacks from Iranian forces and its proxies. And make sure you vote for peace in November. pic.twitter.com/wporhDhZCh

— @amuse (@amuse) January 16, 2024

pic.twitter.com/zz9mDx5H9T

— SIMPLICIUS Ѱ (@simpatico771) January 15, 2024

WEF 'Disease X' is just a myth. Davos 2024 with Zelensky and the WEF!

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"After Trump's victory in Iowa", to a screenshot of an article from Jan 14. Clickbait panic porn salesman might need to check the dates next time.

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Now that your ludicrous take has been exposed, you go right back to Russian spam. Neat deal.

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Likewise, if the Ukes did shoot down another 70's era non-stealthy airliner airframe over the Azov sea, I don't see why it's some sort of 'big deal' other than for the propaganda spammers out of Kiev, and their online acolytes who gobble it all up.

I think the hypocrisy on parade, and fully booked up 'escort services' that is Davos 2024 is much funnier/a bigger deal, personally. But in all seriousness, I've noted for the duration of my participation here the connected nature of this conflict to WEF, China, Biden familia etc. I unfortunately feel very vindicated right now;

The fascists in the European Union are preparing to shut down opposition speech.

Ursula von der Leyen, Pres of the EU Commission, describes how they plan to establish control over social media platforms, the last form of media outside of their control.

pic.twitter.com/3W3ctrAK2c

— Wall Street Silver (@WallStreetSilv) January 16, 2024

Biden "climate envoy" John Kerry at the World Economic Forum in Davos: "I am not retiring, folks. I want to make that clear. I am shifting my efforts." pic.twitter.com/Z7GjPaaJJF

— RNC Research (@RNCResearch) January 16, 2024

Zelensky met with Blinken on the sidelines of the WEF forum in Davos. pic.twitter.com/QXe6kCQpAa

— Olga Bazova (@OlgaBazova) January 16, 2024

The fascists in the European Union are preparing to shut down opposition speech.

Ursula von der Leyen, Pres of the EU Commission, describes how they plan to establish control over social media platforms, the last form of media outside of their control.

pic.twitter.com/3W3ctrAK2c

— Wall Street Silver (@WallStreetSilv) January 16, 2024

As free speech is shut down online, it won't just impact our ability to share information about the Biden proxy war in Ukraine. It will impact all political discussions, and anything opposing more open border migration patterns will not be tolerated. I respect that you think you are on the side of freedom here, but I strongly disagree.

Another 'manufactured biological crisis', and maybe a political/warfare one too, appears on the horizon, heading into our next election of consequence.

I see we are also circling back to the biolabs nonsense again too.

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Now that your ludicrous take has been exposed, you go right back to Russian spam. Neat deal.

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You literally can't articulate why the plane was important beyond the fact it was in the air.

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Read the link I posted. It has some actual analysis instead of weapons grade copium. "It was old and not useful and didn't get shot down but if it did it was friendly fire and it won't be missed".

Teslag said:

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It wasn't important but Russia was using it over an active battlefield and risked air crews in it?

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"Its in the air therefore its the most important plane"

I rest my case.

Who said it was "the most important plane"?

Teslag said:

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Who said it was "the most important plane"?

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Did you stop reading during your ban?

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Now that your ludicrous take has been exposed, you go right back to Russian spam. Neat deal.

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You literally can't articulate why the plane was important beyond the fact it was in the air.

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Yeah, you're right, I not an expert in Russian military equipment. But you know who is? The Russians! So unless this is a 37D chess move by Russia to move an old airframe off the books, kill the crew composed entirely of dissidents, and waste a Ukrainian misspoke, then the plane must have been useful to Russia.

Who said I was banned? I'm just asking who said it was the most important plane.

Are you suggesting it wasn't important at all? If so, why was it there?

chickencoupe16 said:

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Now that your ludicrous take has been exposed, you go right back to Russian spam. Neat deal.

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You literally can't articulate why the plane was important beyond the fact it was in the air.

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Yeah, you're right, I not an expert in Russian military equipment. But you know who is? The Russians! So unless this is a 37D chess move by Russia to move an old airframe off the books, kill the crew composed entirely of dissidents, and waste a Ukrainian misspoke, then the plane must have been useful to Russia.

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False dilemma fallacy. You forgot 1 fact:

"Most of what comes out of Ukraines government is propaganda" -Teslag

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chickencoupe16 said:

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Now that your ludicrous take has been exposed, you go right back to Russian spam. Neat deal.

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You literally can't articulate why the plane was important beyond the fact it was in the air.

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Yeah, you're right, I not an expert in Russian military equipment. But you know who is? The Russians! So unless this is a 37D chess move by Russia to move an old airframe off the books, kill the crew composed entirely of dissidents, and waste a Ukrainian misspoke, then the plane must have been useful to Russia.

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False dilemma fallacy. You forgot 1 fact:

"Most of what comes out of Ukraines government is propaganda" -Teslag

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Do you believe this plane is still intact and in service? If not, why?

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It wasn't important but Russia was using it over an active battlefield and risked air crews in it?

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It wasn't over an active battlefield. It was way behind the lines and they shot it down themselves.

Duh.

LOL.

What professional background do you have that gives you the expertise to state any of that?

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Who said it was "the most important plane"?

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Did you stop reading during your ban?

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I was the one you got banned. We discussed this earlier.

Are you forgetting who you went to staff about?

Brewskis said:

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LOL.

What professional background do you have that gives you the expertise to state any of that?

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He's an...wait for it...Armchair Warlord.

But, not THE Armchair Warlord.

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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GAC06 said:

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Now that your ludicrous take has been exposed, you go right back to Russian spam. Neat deal.

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You literally can't articulate why the plane was important beyond the fact it was in the air.

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Yeah, you're right, I not an expert in Russian military equipment. But you know who is? The Russians! So unless this is a 37D chess move by Russia to move an old airframe off the books, kill the crew composed entirely of dissidents, and waste a Ukrainian misspoke, then the plane must have been useful to Russia.

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False dilemma fallacy. You forgot 1 fact:

"Most of what comes out of Ukraines government is propaganda" -Teslag

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Aaah, so the unimportant plane didn't get shot down?

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Who said it was "the most important plane"?

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PlaneCrashGuy

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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chickencoupe16 said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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GAC06 said:

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Now that your ludicrous take has been exposed, you go right back to Russian spam. Neat deal.

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You literally can't articulate why the plane was important beyond the fact it was in the air.

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Yeah, you're right, I not an expert in Russian military equipment. But you know who is? The Russians! So unless this is a 37D chess move by Russia to move an old airframe off the books, kill the crew composed entirely of dissidents, and waste a Ukrainian misspoke, then the plane must have been useful to Russia.

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False dilemma fallacy. You forgot 1 fact:

"Most of what comes out of Ukraines government is propaganda" -Teslag

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Aaah, so the unimportant plane didn't get shot down?

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Yes.

And now it can go on being unimportant for the Russians.

One thing's for certain, the dissent by the dozens of posts every time a Ukrainian ship/large aircraft is lost wouldn't be tolerated on the war-pimp thread.

Oh, wait, the Ukrainians don't have any large airplanes/ships, and that thread is only for Ukrainian-Biden propaganda.

Brewskis said:

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LOL.

What professional background do you have that gives you the expertise to state any of that?

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This was all you could come up with after he so thoroughly rebutted you? Tough look.

Sotero-Judges said:

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One thing's for certain, the dissent by the dozens of posts every time a Ukrainian ship/large aircraft is lost wouldn't be tolerated on the war-pimp thread.

Oh, wait, the Ukrainians don't have any large airplanes/ships, and that thread is only for Ukrainian-Biden propaganda.

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I'm sure staff will happily weigh in with any feedback they have, but I'm confident there would be no issue discussing a Ukrainian plane getting shot down given that it's a tactical (I.e not political) topic.

What wouldn't be welcome is tin foil WEF bio lab conspiracies and blaming the entirety of the war on literally everyone but the one person who started it. That's what this thread is for.

Sotero-Judges said:

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One thing's for certain, the dissent by the dozens of posts every time a Ukrainian ship/large aircraft is lost wouldn't be tolerated on the war-pimp thread.

Oh, wait, the Ukrainians don't have any large airplanes/ships, and that thread is only for Ukrainian-Biden propaganda.

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‼️JUST IN: The Ukrainian Navy joined the coalition protecting shipping in the Red Sea. pic.twitter.com/uEkBgaNHLW

— Olga Bazova (@OlgaBazova) January 15, 2024

Update: no one has explained what the Mainstays have done well.

Weird.

Yes Ukraine is clearly winning the war 😂. Lost almost 20% of its territory but yes still clearly winning. 😂

— Darko D (@Darko6942) January 16, 2024

Absolutely insane warmongering clip by the UK defence secretary:

"All around us our enemies are preparing... The era of the peace dividend is over... Britain can lead the world in fighting for freedom..." 🤦‍♂️

He seems giddily excited as he announces WW3 is upon us. These people… https://t.co/6lU0wwd9w3

— Arnaud Bertrand (@RnaudBertrand) January 16, 2024

Dissent from the war, and open borders/migration, shall not be permitted (but Ukraine's borders are mucho special, or something):

"Delivering on our promises: the final letter has now been sent to the President of the Parliament," Petri Sarvamaa, a senior member of the European Parliament, said on the social media platform X.

The vote is scheduled to take place on Jan. 18.

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) January 16, 2024

It's a simple question.

If someone is going to tell an expert they are wrong on a public forum, shouldn't they be able to back that up of why their opinion should be taken seriously? My statement on the A-50 vs E-3, etc is from 14 (working on 15) years in fighter and combat aviation. I'm happy to admit I'm wrong if someone has the credentials to back that up.

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Sotero-Judges said:

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One thing's for certain, the dissent by the dozens of posts every time a Ukrainian ship/large aircraft is lost wouldn't be tolerated on the war-pimp thread.

Oh, wait, the Ukrainians don't have any large airplanes/ships, and that thread is only for Ukrainian-Biden propaganda.

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I'm sure staff will happily weigh in with any feedback they have, but I'm confident there would be no issue discussing a Ukrainian plane getting shot down given that it's a tactical (I.e not political) topic.

What wouldn't be welcome is tin foil WEF bio lab conspiracies and blaming the entirety of the war on literally everyone but the one person who started it. That's what this thread is for.

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Sure thing, boss.

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I wonder if Ukraine knows that Russia only gets "stronger" when you destroy their military assets?

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So the big question is did those analysts on board see the incoming? How long did they have, and what do you think they conversed about?

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At the risk of de-railing this conversation...

The biggest challenge facing us today is that the military we have is great for basically every situation but one.

China.

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Jeez. That made quite the splash!

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Yes, it's a very serious, adult conversation over there. Not war-pimping/cheerleading like it's a video game at all. Totally professional.