nortex97 said:I've decided to provide fewer links so you and 'some' others can do some research instead on your own. I think it is good for you. You're welcome!Teslag said:
Where is the link for all of those quotes?
Teslag said:Quote:
Several top UA commentators including Zaluzhny and Arestovich themselves both stated yesterday that Avdeevka would likely fall "in 2-3 months." At this rate that seems to be plausible.
Just as I've been saying. Two years in, and Russia's greatest achievement since since the spring of 2022 will be taking an abandoned village of 9,000 people.
Russia simply lacks any ability to mount an offensive.
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Dwindling aid, total mobilization, and economic collapse: Ukraine 2024.
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Then go in and finish the job.
‼️🇺🇦 Huge story unfolding in Ukraine
— Spetsnaℤ 007 🇷🇺 (@Alex_Oloyede2) December 26, 2023
I was wrong yesterday and she wasn't kiIIed in battle but murdered by her own fellow comrades in the AFU.
One of her last audios released before her death was criticising the AFU. The foreign mercs in Ukraine claim she was poisoned. pic.twitter.com/Fl6NZF8XlJ
⚡️🇷🇺 The UAC (United Aircraft Corp) reports that the final batch of this year, new multifunctional Su-57s, has been transferred to the Russian Defense Ministry. pic.twitter.com/qeCiiUqkZf
— SIMPLICIUS The Thinker Ѱ (@simpatico771) December 27, 2023
Switch to Defense: duh.Quote:
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and his Indian counterpart Subrahmanyam Jaishankar discussed the conflict in Ukraine, the situation in Afghanistan and the Asia-Pacific Region at their talks in Moscow, Lavrov said at a press conference after the meeting.
"We express our heartfelt gratitude to our Indian counterparts for their aspiration to take a responsible approach in considering and resolving regional and global issues, primarily focusing on national interests, the interests of equal and fair international cooperation. This approach is also characteristic of India's position on the ongoing processes in and around Ukraine, and we have also talked about it," Lavrov said. "We spoke about the situation in Afghanistan."
"We also touched upon other regional topics, such as the situation in the Asia-Pacific Region in the context of the processes unfolding there in parallel, and even, perhaps, contrary to the agreements which were previously reached within the Association of Southeast Asian Nations," the Russian foreign minister said.
According to Lavrov, Moscow and New Delhi have a similar position that in vast Eurasia and in the adjoining water areas, "it is crucial to look for such solutions that will reflect a balance of interests but will not spark confrontational approaches, including those that are sometimes brought in from outside the common region."
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Kyiv's manpower and arsenals are too depleted to go on the offensive next year, according to some top Ukrainian military experts.
"We don't have the resources for next year's operation," Lieutenant General Ihor Romanenko, the former deputy chief of the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, told Al Jazeera.
Polls show that the number of Ukrainians who believe that the war should go on until Ukraine regains all lost territories, including the Crimean peninsula that Russia annexed in 2014, is going down, albeit insignificantly.
Sixty percent believe in Kyiv's imminent military triumph, as opposed to 70 percent last year, according to a Gallup poll released in October. And almost a third of those polled 31 percent think that peace talks with Russia should begin "as soon as possible," compared with 26 percent last year, the poll said.
Most of the supporters of immediate negotiations come from southern (41 percent) and eastern (39 percent) Ukraine, where most of the hostilities took place this year, the poll said.
Meanwhile, Israel's war on Gaza has eclipsed the Russia-Ukraine war in the Western media and halls of power as aid to Ukraine has dwindled or been suspended.
The aid has been keeping Kyiv afloat since the war began in February 2022 and will be the key factor shaping the future and stability of Ukraine's economy, according to Kyiv-based analyst Aleksey Kusch.
"In theory, Ukraine can hold on for between six months and a year on its own. But that will require the freezing of a string of budget articles," he told Al Jazeera.
✍️⚡️Yesterday, units of the Russian Armed Forces attacked the Kherson railway station and an evacuation train. The station and rolling stock of the Ukrzaliznytsia enterprise were damaged. It goes without saying that this is a necessary measure, but even more significant at this…
— -- GEROMAN -- time will tell - 👀 -- (@GeromanAT) December 27, 2023
Information is coming from the ground that the Russian army has entered the administrative boundaries of Georgievka near the liberated Maryinka.
— -- GEROMAN -- time will tell - 👀 -- (@GeromanAT) December 27, 2023
The fighting began inside a settlement in the Donetsk direction.
Military correspondent Lisitsyn pic.twitter.com/4AQGVhQijR
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new multifunctional Su-57s, has been transferred to the Russian Defense Ministry
No - I support a united Eurasia and you are a silly brainwashed piece of shit - and just another reason why I can't support the terrororganisation NATO - too many assholes like you like that clown club. https://t.co/kShpJ98SkQ
— -- GEROMAN -- time will tell - 👀 -- (@GeromanAT) December 27, 2023
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Then go in and finish the job.
Finish it with what? And with who? They couldn't do this in February of 2022 with more weapons, better officers/NCO's and prior to large amounts of NATO aid.
Why can they do it now? And with what?
This is funny...nortex97 said:‼️🇺🇦 Huge story unfolding in Ukraine
— Spetsnaℤ 007 🇷🇺 (@Alex_Oloyede2) December 26, 2023
I was wrong yesterday and she wasn't kiIIed in battle but murdered by her own fellow comrades in the AFU.
One of her last audios released before her death was criticising the AFU. The foreign mercs in Ukraine claim she was poisoned. pic.twitter.com/Fl6NZF8XlJ⚡️🇷🇺 The UAC (United Aircraft Corp) reports that the final batch of this year, new multifunctional Su-57s, has been transferred to the Russian Defense Ministry. pic.twitter.com/qeCiiUqkZf
— SIMPLICIUS The Thinker Ѱ (@simpatico771) December 27, 2023
Interesting ongoing evolution with India/China in particular:Switch to Defense: duh.Quote:
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and his Indian counterpart Subrahmanyam Jaishankar discussed the conflict in Ukraine, the situation in Afghanistan and the Asia-Pacific Region at their talks in Moscow, Lavrov said at a press conference after the meeting.
"We express our heartfelt gratitude to our Indian counterparts for their aspiration to take a responsible approach in considering and resolving regional and global issues, primarily focusing on national interests, the interests of equal and fair international cooperation. This approach is also characteristic of India's position on the ongoing processes in and around Ukraine, and we have also talked about it," Lavrov said. "We spoke about the situation in Afghanistan."
"We also touched upon other regional topics, such as the situation in the Asia-Pacific Region in the context of the processes unfolding there in parallel, and even, perhaps, contrary to the agreements which were previously reached within the Association of Southeast Asian Nations," the Russian foreign minister said.
According to Lavrov, Moscow and New Delhi have a similar position that in vast Eurasia and in the adjoining water areas, "it is crucial to look for such solutions that will reflect a balance of interests but will not spark confrontational approaches, including those that are sometimes brought in from outside the common region."Quote:
Kyiv's manpower and arsenals are too depleted to go on the offensive next year, according to some top Ukrainian military experts.
"We don't have the resources for next year's operation," Lieutenant General Ihor Romanenko, the former deputy chief of the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, told Al Jazeera.
Polls show that the number of Ukrainians who believe that the war should go on until Ukraine regains all lost territories, including the Crimean peninsula that Russia annexed in 2014, is going down, albeit insignificantly.
Sixty percent believe in Kyiv's imminent military triumph, as opposed to 70 percent last year, according to a Gallup poll released in October. And almost a third of those polled 31 percent think that peace talks with Russia should begin "as soon as possible," compared with 26 percent last year, the poll said.
Most of the supporters of immediate negotiations come from southern (41 percent) and eastern (39 percent) Ukraine, where most of the hostilities took place this year, the poll said.
Meanwhile, Israel's war on Gaza has eclipsed the Russia-Ukraine war in the Western media and halls of power as aid to Ukraine has dwindled or been suspended.
The aid has been keeping Kyiv afloat since the war began in February 2022 and will be the key factor shaping the future and stability of Ukraine's economy, according to Kyiv-based analyst Aleksey Kusch.
"In theory, Ukraine can hold on for between six months and a year on its own. But that will require the freezing of a string of budget articles," he told Al Jazeera.
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"We don't have the resources for next year's operation," Lieutenant General Ihor Romanenko, the former deputy chief of the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, told Al Jazeera.
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"They miscalculated," Lieutenant General Ihor Romanenko, the former deputy chief of Ukraine's general staff of armed forces, told Al Jazeera. "We won't let them rest and won't rest ourselves until we fully de-occupy our lands."
One of Tesla's points for 2) is that Russia couldn't do squat and got repelled BEFORE that Euro and American support and money starting rolling in.Ags4DaWin said:Teslag said:Quote:
Then go in and finish the job.
Finish it with what? And with who? They couldn't do this in February of 2022 with more weapons, better officers/NCO's and prior to large amounts of NATO aid.
Why can they do it now? And with what?
Once again you are missing the point.
1) I am not rooting for Russia to finish anything.
2) the point is with European and American support dwindling and resolve to keep money into the fight dwindling the responsibility for buying weapons increasingly falls on the Ukes.
3) Russia wins any straight up competition in manufacturing capabilities and it has China to rely on to keep supplying additional weapons
4) if Ukraine is unable to launch an offensive. Russia can sit back resupply for 6-12 months which gives it a significant advantage.
5) finishing the job means whatever Russia deems it to mean at this point.
A prolonged conflict always favored Russia. And will result in poorer negotiating capability of Ukraine which is why Ukraine should have negotiated from the outset.
Now they are completely screwed as the West predictably abandons them.
One sure sounds like an admission and one sounds like bravado/propaganda we'd see reported in various fake news sources.Ag with kids said:This is funny...nortex97 said:‼️🇺🇦 Huge story unfolding in Ukraine
— Spetsnaℤ 007 🇷🇺 (@Alex_Oloyede2) December 26, 2023
I was wrong yesterday and she wasn't kiIIed in battle but murdered by her own fellow comrades in the AFU.
One of her last audios released before her death was criticising the AFU. The foreign mercs in Ukraine claim she was poisoned. pic.twitter.com/Fl6NZF8XlJ⚡️🇷🇺 The UAC (United Aircraft Corp) reports that the final batch of this year, new multifunctional Su-57s, has been transferred to the Russian Defense Ministry. pic.twitter.com/qeCiiUqkZf
— SIMPLICIUS The Thinker Ѱ (@simpatico771) December 27, 2023
Interesting ongoing evolution with India/China in particular:Switch to Defense: duh.Quote:
Russian Foreign Minister Sergey Lavrov and his Indian counterpart Subrahmanyam Jaishankar discussed the conflict in Ukraine, the situation in Afghanistan and the Asia-Pacific Region at their talks in Moscow, Lavrov said at a press conference after the meeting.
"We express our heartfelt gratitude to our Indian counterparts for their aspiration to take a responsible approach in considering and resolving regional and global issues, primarily focusing on national interests, the interests of equal and fair international cooperation. This approach is also characteristic of India's position on the ongoing processes in and around Ukraine, and we have also talked about it," Lavrov said. "We spoke about the situation in Afghanistan."
"We also touched upon other regional topics, such as the situation in the Asia-Pacific Region in the context of the processes unfolding there in parallel, and even, perhaps, contrary to the agreements which were previously reached within the Association of Southeast Asian Nations," the Russian foreign minister said.
According to Lavrov, Moscow and New Delhi have a similar position that in vast Eurasia and in the adjoining water areas, "it is crucial to look for such solutions that will reflect a balance of interests but will not spark confrontational approaches, including those that are sometimes brought in from outside the common region."Quote:
Kyiv's manpower and arsenals are too depleted to go on the offensive next year, according to some top Ukrainian military experts.
"We don't have the resources for next year's operation," Lieutenant General Ihor Romanenko, the former deputy chief of the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, told Al Jazeera.
Polls show that the number of Ukrainians who believe that the war should go on until Ukraine regains all lost territories, including the Crimean peninsula that Russia annexed in 2014, is going down, albeit insignificantly.
Sixty percent believe in Kyiv's imminent military triumph, as opposed to 70 percent last year, according to a Gallup poll released in October. And almost a third of those polled 31 percent think that peace talks with Russia should begin "as soon as possible," compared with 26 percent last year, the poll said.
Most of the supporters of immediate negotiations come from southern (41 percent) and eastern (39 percent) Ukraine, where most of the hostilities took place this year, the poll said.
Meanwhile, Israel's war on Gaza has eclipsed the Russia-Ukraine war in the Western media and halls of power as aid to Ukraine has dwindled or been suspended.
The aid has been keeping Kyiv afloat since the war began in February 2022 and will be the key factor shaping the future and stability of Ukraine's economy, according to Kyiv-based analyst Aleksey Kusch.
"In theory, Ukraine can hold on for between six months and a year on its own. But that will require the freezing of a string of budget articles," he told Al Jazeera.
Now we're using TASS, the Russian new agency...
It's also interesting that the guy that said:Quote:
"We don't have the resources for next year's operation," Lieutenant General Ihor Romanenko, the former deputy chief of the General Staff of the Ukrainian Armed Forces, told Al Jazeera.
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"They miscalculated," Lieutenant General Ihor Romanenko, the former deputy chief of Ukraine's general staff of armed forces, told Al Jazeera. "We won't let them rest and won't rest ourselves until we fully de-occupy our lands."
Somehow I'm guessing a lot of context has been left out...
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the point is with European and American support dwindling and resolve to keep money into the fight dwindling the responsibility for buying weapons increasingly falls on the Ukes.
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One sure sounds like an admission and one sounds like bravado/propaganda we'd see reported in various fake news sources.
"Ukraine doesn't need all its territory to defeat Putin"
— -- GEROMAN -- time will tell - 👀 -- (@GeromanAT) December 27, 2023
(no idea what level of cope that is)
The New York Times writes:
Taking back territory is the wrong way to imagine a better outcome. The real victory for Ukraine is to rise from the hell of war as a strong, independent,… pic.twitter.com/pHmulAqivY
nortex97 said:"Ukraine doesn't need all its territory to defeat Putin"
— -- GEROMAN -- time will tell - 👀 -- (@GeromanAT) December 27, 2023
(no idea what level of cope that is)
The New York Times writes:
Taking back territory is the wrong way to imagine a better outcome. The real victory for Ukraine is to rise from the hell of war as a strong, independent,… pic.twitter.com/pHmulAqivY
Straight up propaganda, LOL.
PlaneCrashGuy said:
That is hilarious. If the MSM propaganda machine is spooling back, Ukraine is done for.
When I put on my skeptic hat I think the Chinese, and Russians alike realize their proxy ally in (or rather somewhere within/running) the White House won't be there much longer.Quote:
An article published December 11, 2023, by the Russian media outlet Vzglyad stated that Western pressure on China made Beijing abandon its neutral stances on the war in Ukraine.
Under the title "Why China Is Seriously Changing Its Stance On Russian Special Military Operation," it stated: "Beijing is gradually abandoning the balancing on two chairs and is not only de facto but also de jure taking the Russian side in the Ukrainian conflict."
China Has Openly Recognized That The Continuation Of Hostilities… Is An Element Of Russia's National Interests And Security'
"A Chinese official has made a statement that can be interpreted as a clear and significant shift in Beijing's position on what is happening in Ukraine. Previously, China, at least in terms of international rhetoric, expressed a positive but still neutral stance but now it clearly justifies and supports the Russian special operation. Why?
"'It's a very independent nation, after all. President Putin makes decisions based on national interests and security.' That's how Wang Lutong, Director-General of the Department of European Affairs of the Foreign Ministry of China, commented on the requests of European politicians to persuade Russia to make concessions on the Ukrainian issue. To put it simply, the Chinese comrades politely refused to play the role of a mediator.
"And there are several important, to some extent even groundbreaking, moments in this statement made by the Chinese side. First of all, the very fact of refusing to mediate in the settlement of the Ukrainian crisis. Not so long ago, the Chinese claimed to be mediators: They put forward their general 12-point plan and promoted it in every possible way. Moreover, it was extremely broad and therefore all-inclusive.
"Now China has openly recognized that the continuation of hostilities (a decision that the Russian authorities have made at least until 'the West gives up its plans to maintain its dominance and its obsession with inflicting a strategic defeat on Russia by the hands of its Kiev puppets') is an element of Russia's 'national interests and security.' That is, [China] actually recognized this decision as correct and legitimate. What kind of mediation is possible in such a case?
"Earlier, it should be recalled, the Chinese refrained from such obvious support for Russian actions during the special operation at least because they were afraid of drawing any parallels and associations with Taiwan, which is striving to turn its de facto independence into a de jure one.
"So, what forced the Chinese side to change its position? Apparently, three major factors."
nortex97 said:
I did see that report today, yes. Very sad. Artillery with accurate spotting/targeting data is just exceptionally deadly, especially against relatively untrained/prepared forces.
I struggle to rationalize how the 600/day dead/injured is worth it to whatever folks may think will be left of Ukraine. They are legislating to conscript dwarfs and mentally ******ed into service, among other disabilities now. It's just horrible what Kiev is doing in Biden's proxy war.
PlaneCrashGuy said:
You seeing 45 dead Ukes in 1 strike?
⚡️🇷🇺Meet the heroes who captured Avdeevka Industrial Zone. Tank commander describes the battles and how AFU knocked out his anti-drone jammer from the tank, but they still pushed forward no matter what, which AFU didn't expect: pic.twitter.com/v26HqKfMMo
— SIMPLICIUS The Thinker Ѱ (@simpatico771) December 27, 2023
Teslag said:
That Twitter users has Russian, Iranian, Chicom flags in his Twitter profile bio. Seems like someone would definitely trust.
And a lot more will die when they're punished for resisting Russia.Teslag said:nortex97 said:
I did see that report today, yes. Very sad. Artillery with accurate spotting/targeting data is just exceptionally deadly, especially against relatively untrained/prepared forces.
I struggle to rationalize how the 600/day dead/injured is worth it to whatever folks may think will be left of Ukraine. They are legislating to conscript dwarfs and mentally ******ed into service, among other disabilities now. It's just horrible what Kiev is doing in Biden's proxy war.
Their alternative is to surrender…
At least Simplicius is admitting he's pro-Russian now...PlaneCrashGuy said:
Maybe its just the language, but Russians seem to have a such a somber attitude when talking about this stuff. I wonder if this man is an actor or soldier.⚡️🇷🇺Meet the heroes who captured Avdeevka Industrial Zone. Tank commander describes the battles and how AFU knocked out his anti-drone jammer from the tank, but they still pushed forward no matter what, which AFU didn't expect: pic.twitter.com/v26HqKfMMo
— SIMPLICIUS The Thinker Ѱ (@simpatico771) December 27, 2023
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Meet the heroes who captured Avdeevka Industrial Zone.
Biden Admin Announces Release of Additional $250 Million in Ukraine Funding - Plus Some Other Less Noticed Stuff https://t.co/7N38ew5wZa
— TheLastRefuge (@TheLastRefuge2) December 28, 2023
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Continuing North Korean arms shipments to Russia this winter are allowing Moscow to maintain pressure on Ukraine as it faces the risk of losing critical Western supplies, Bloomberg reported Tuesday, citing satellite imagery.
The United States, South Korea and Japan said in October they had confirmed North Korea was supplying Russia with arms and military equipment supplies for use against Ukraine, adding that Pyongyang was seeking Moscow's military assistance in exchange. Russia and North Korea deny the claims.
Satellite imagery from October-December 2023 appears to show hundreds of shipping containers loaded onto and unloaded from Russian ships at North Korea's Najin and Russia's Dunay ports, which are located 180 kilometers apart, according to Bloomberg.
The Russian-North Korean trade has "continued unabatedly despite additional U.S. sanctions and widespread reporting on this activity in the past few months," analyst Jaewoo Shin of the Austrian Open Nuclear Network risk-reduction program told Bloomberg.
Bloomberg said North Korea holds some of the world's largest munitions stores, much of which is interoperable with Russian weapons in Ukraine.
Ag with kids said:At least Simplicius is admitting he's pro-Russian now...PlaneCrashGuy said:
Maybe its just the language, but Russians seem to have a such a somber attitude when talking about this stuff. I wonder if this man is an actor or soldier.⚡️🇷🇺Meet the heroes who captured Avdeevka Industrial Zone. Tank commander describes the battles and how AFU knocked out his anti-drone jammer from the tank, but they still pushed forward no matter what, which AFU didn't expect: pic.twitter.com/v26HqKfMMo
— SIMPLICIUS The Thinker Ѱ (@simpatico771) December 27, 2023Quote:
Meet the heroes who captured Avdeevka Industrial Zone.
Oh I know...but, that was the first one I remember that was BLATANT Russian propaganda...Teslag said:
Always has been. And some people hang on everything he says like gospel.
