Russia/Ukraine from Another Perspective (Relaunch Part Deux)

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Ukes shot down another SU34 today leaving Russia stronger right?


Why do some Aggies cling to moral victories so much?


Says the guy pimping Russia, the country that can't even find moral victories two years stuck in a stalemate when they were going to roll into Kiev in days.
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Teslag said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Teslag said:

Ukes shot down another SU34 today leaving Russia stronger right?


Why do some Aggies cling to moral victories so much?


Says the guy pimping Russia, the country that can't even find moral victories two years stuck in a stalemate when they were going to roll into Kiev in days.


Russia has already won. HTH.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Teslag said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Teslag said:

Ukes shot down another SU34 today leaving Russia stronger right?


Why do some Aggies cling to moral victories so much?


Says the guy pimping Russia, the country that can't even find moral victories two years stuck in a stalemate when they were going to roll into Kiev in days.


Russia has already won. HTH.


Is that why the Ukrainian flag still flies over the four largest Ukraine cities and Putin still fights for control of an abandoned village?
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Russia got bigger again today. Uke continued to atrophy. They were lying when they said Uke could win. They are still lying when they call it a stalemate. Merry Christmas Eve to all.
The other "superpower" took a small village after only 2 years?

They must be proud.
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Biden attack on Nordstream was aimed at Germany.

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The sabotage of the pipelines was ordered weeks before the conflict between Russia and Ukraine began in February 2022, Hersh wrote, adding that the American operatives assigned to it believed it was meant to deter Moscow. The attack on the pipelines was ready by late May, but "the plan was called off on short notice by Biden," the journalist claimed.

Instead, the team was tasked with planting explosives on the pipelines, which could be detonated remotely at a later date, he said. The timing of the attack, which ultimately occurred in late September 2022, appeared to be aimed at Berlin rather than Moscow.

"Biden's timing seemed aimed at Chancellor [Olaf] Scholz. Some in the CIA believed that the president's fear was that Scholz, whose constituents were lukewarm in their support for Ukraine, might waffle with winter coming on and conclude that keeping his people warm and his industries prosperous was more important than backing Ukraine against Russia," Hersh wrote.

The destruction of the pipelines played a major role in Germany's economic hardships the country, which once "dominated the world's markets with its luxury cars and industrial machinery… is now in a process of what some have called rapid deindustrialization," Hersh said. Apart from this, Germany has experienced a surge in popularity of right-wing parties, including Alternative for Germany (AfD), and its economic woes have contributed to this.



EU-Nato war on nation-Slavic states loses a battle after an election;



An attempted Nuland special:





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So the ukes have shot down a number of confirmed aircraft and suddenly the Russian ministry of defense says they have too.

Never change Russia.
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Also, remember Nortex just "shares" official Russian state media stories. He doesn't actuality believe it.

Except he literally just created his own hyperlinked text blaming Biden for Nordstream in a link to Russian state media doing the same.
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Congratulations to everyone! Soon there will be no more Nazis at Russia's borders, we did it in 1945, we will do it now!



This guy is great. Chest beating over Russia finally securing a town of 11,000 people after 9 years of fighting. Then regurgitates the Russian resolve myth by completely forgetting about Afghanistan.
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Teslag said:

So the ukes have shot down a number of confirmed aircraft and suddenly the Russian ministry of defense says they have too.

Never change Russia.


#METOO
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Teslag said:

Also, remember Nortex just "shares" official Russian state media stories. He doesn't actuality believe it.

Except he literally just created his own hyperlinked text blaming Biden for Nordstream in a link to Russian state media doing the same.
Also, just remember Teslag just likes his car and vaccine and just likes to make crap up and lie about whatever he hates about me in snarky hissy fits. Merry Xmas!
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It's a merry christmas indeed for everyone who isn't Ukrainian.

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It's frankly way too late for the "EU to mobilize all of it's assets" as a security guarantee.

The Ukrainian government at this point is just depreciating their pension liabilities should the war leave it as a nominally separate state at this point:

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Putin did this.
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Christmas joy is hard to find in the place with suspended elections and women conscripts. Some call it Ukraine

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-updates-ukrainians-mark-first-christmas-on-dec-25/live-67816386
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PlaneCrashGuy said:



Putin did this.
Only took him 10 years to take a small village. They leveled up in power today!
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Christmas joy is hard to find in the place with suspended elections and women conscripts. Some call it Ukraine

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-updates-ukrainians-mark-first-christmas-on-dec-25/live-67816386
As opposed to Russia, the country you're cheering for...
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Ag with kids said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Christmas joy is hard to find in the place with suspended elections and women conscripts. Some call it Ukraine

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-updates-ukrainians-mark-first-christmas-on-dec-25/live-67816386
As opposed to Russia, the country you're cheering for...


Well maybe, but if it was hard to find christmas joy in Russia today, that is because they do not celebrate christmas today. But I'm not surprised you didn't know that, you've seemed to resist learning about them.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Ag with kids said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Christmas joy is hard to find in the place with suspended elections and women conscripts. Some call it Ukraine

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-updates-ukrainians-mark-first-christmas-on-dec-25/live-67816386
As opposed to Russia, the country you're cheering for...


Well maybe, but if it was hard to find christmas joy in Russia today, that is because they do not celebrate christmas today. But I'm not surprised you didn't know that, you've seemed to resist learning about them.
Well, I'm sure the Ukrainians are finding Christmas celebrations today quite odd, too...

Since they haven't celebrated it on Dec 25th in quite a long time. (Not counting all those years that the lovely Russians made them one of their Soviets...)

But, your favorite buddy Zelenskyy signed the law this summer to make it today...

So, you can owe all your cheering to Z AND Putin!!! What a lucky guy you are today.
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Ag with kids said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Ag with kids said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Christmas joy is hard to find in the place with suspended elections and women conscripts. Some call it Ukraine

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-updates-ukrainians-mark-first-christmas-on-dec-25/live-67816386
As opposed to Russia, the country you're cheering for...


Well maybe, but if it was hard to find christmas joy in Russia today, that is because they do not celebrate christmas today. But I'm not surprised you didn't know that, you've seemed to resist learning about them.
Well, I'm sure the Ukrainians are finding Christmas celebrations today quite odd, too....



"Finding it odd" lol

I quoted the official update in the official strategic thread, "Christmas joy is hard to find in Ukraine this season." and you immediately bring up Russian Christmas Joy, which is celebrated on a completely different day.

When I point this out you spin the Uke celebrations as "odd" because of a new day. Newsflash: there is no christmas joy in Uke because Uke is occupied. Everyone who could afford to leave did.
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PlaneCrashGuy said:

Ag with kids said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Ag with kids said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Christmas joy is hard to find in the place with suspended elections and women conscripts. Some call it Ukraine

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-updates-ukrainians-mark-first-christmas-on-dec-25/live-67816386
As opposed to Russia, the country you're cheering for...


Well maybe, but if it was hard to find christmas joy in Russia today, that is because they do not celebrate christmas today. But I'm not surprised you didn't know that, you've seemed to resist learning about them.
Well, I'm sure the Ukrainians are finding Christmas celebrations today quite odd, too....



"Finding it odd" lol

I quoted the official update in the official strategic thread, "Christmas joy is hard to find in Ukraine this season." and you immediately bring up Russian Christmas Joy, which is celebrated on a completely different day.

When I point this out you spin the Uke celebrations as "odd" because of a new day. Newsflash: there is no christmas joy in Uke because Uke is occupied. Everyone who could afford to leave did.
You brought up the different day, DARVO...
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Ag with kids said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Ag with kids said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Ag with kids said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Christmas joy is hard to find in the place with suspended elections and women conscripts. Some call it Ukraine

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-updates-ukrainians-mark-first-christmas-on-dec-25/live-67816386
As opposed to Russia, the country you're cheering for...


Well maybe, but if it was hard to find christmas joy in Russia today, that is because they do not celebrate christmas today. But I'm not surprised you didn't know that, you've seemed to resist learning about them.
Well, I'm sure the Ukrainians are finding Christmas celebrations today quite odd, too....



"Finding it odd" lol

I quoted the official update in the official strategic thread, "Christmas joy is hard to find in Ukraine this season." and you immediately bring up Russian Christmas Joy, which is celebrated on a completely different day.

When I point this out you spin the Uke celebrations as "odd" because of a new day. Newsflash: there is no christmas joy in Uke because Uke is occupied. Everyone who could afford to leave did.
You brought up the different day, DARVO...


You obviously thought today was christmas in Russia, I had to correct you.
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Ukrainian in exile; Ukraine has become a European Somalia under Biden proxy war leadership of Zelensky:

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Ukraine has become "a European Somalia," exiled opposition leader Viktor Medvedchuk has said in response to the country being placed on a list of the world's most dangerous places.

In an opinion piece for the Drugaya Ukraina outlet published on Monday, Medvedchuk noted that Ukraine has found itself alongside Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya, Yemen, and Somalia on the 'Risk Map' released by the International SOS health and security service firm last week. The company evaluates countries annually based on four risk criteria: Security, medical, climate change, and mental health.

The opposition leader stressed that in terms of safety and mental health, "the regime of [Ukrainian President Vladimir] Zelensky beats even the most underdeveloped countries. After all, such Russophobic cannibalism introduced into the state policies of modern Ukraine can't be found even among the most backward and aggressive tribes of Africa."

He mentioned reports of forced conscription, the destruction of Russia-linked monuments, aggressive anti-Russian rhetoric by the Ukrainian media, and videos showing suspected looters being tied to lampposts as punishment among the signs of what he called "mass madness" in Ukraine.
I guess the Russians shot down 3 or 4 Ukrainian strike aircraft after they launched some long range missiles at a Russian landing ship with drones on it, in port, a big win for the war porn fans on x:







Not sure how much larger Russia is today vs. last week but it sounds like they are advancing broadly;







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I hope Santa was good to you all this year.

They're killing journalists now.

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I hope Santa was good to you all this year.

They're killing journalists now.




As with most thing from Lord Bebo, a small amount of digging on this "journalist" brings up a few more questions. Community notes helpful as always.





https://disinfo.detector.media/en/post/zelenskys-mother-in-law-bought-a-villa-on-the-egyptian-coast-with-western-humanitarian-aid-to-ukraine

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Nato and Democrats/communists are committed to things like 'disinfo' detector supported often by our tax dollars.

https://www.nato.int/docu/review/articles/2021/08/12/countering-disinformation-improving-the-alliances-digital-resilience/index.html

https://www.rand.org/research/projects/truth-decay/fighting-disinformation.html

I may occasionally post something people find to be propaganda but regardless anything labeled 'disinformation' is about as trustworthy as a NYT or CNN report on Republicans, Nina Jankowitz, or the FBI even.
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nortex97 said:

Nato and Democrats/communists are committed to things like 'disinfo' detector supported often by our tax dollars.

https://www.nato.int/docu/review/articles/2021/08/12/countering-disinformation-improving-the-alliances-digital-resilience/index.html

https://www.rand.org/research/projects/truth-decay/fighting-disinformation.html

I may occasionally post something people find to be propaganda but regardless anything labeled 'disinformation' is about as trustworthy as a NYT or CNN report on Republicans, Nina Jankowitz, or the FBI even.


Seems irrelevant to this specific situation. Do you disagree with anything here?

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Fake Zelensky's mother-in-law bought a villa on the Egyptian coast with Western humanitarian aid to Ukraine

28 August 2023 01:04
Such information is disseminated in the Nigerian media segment. Reports say Volodymyr Zelenskyi allegedly purchased a villa for his mother-in-law, Olha Kyiashko. In the material, the media provide evidence of the purchase of the villa, in particular, they show the relevant documents on the purchase. They also add a "video of investigative journalist" Mohammed Al-Alawi. Subsequently, this information was disseminated by anonymous Russian propaganda telegram channels, reporting that Zelenskyi makes all purchases "from the pockets of taxpayers". It's a lie.

First of all, the "material-investigation" includes many factual errors. The authors provide a photo of an alleged document on the purchase of real estate, where the future owner of the house is indicated. So the document says that he owns the house of Olha KIYASHKO, although according to the current standards of the state migration service, the transliteration on all documents would look like this - Olha KYIASHKO. The authors did not prove the authenticity of such a "document" and did not explain where they got it from. What the authors were asked more than once in the comments under the video. That is, the contract for the purchase of a villa, at least, does not exactly apply to Olha Kyiashko.

Moreover, regarding the "journalistic investigation video", it was published on a YouTube channel created a few days before the information about the purchase was thrown out. And the post of the investigative journalist himself raises many questions. Since, upon request in the search engine, Mohammed Al-Alawi, the investigative journalist gives only a link to the material about the purchase of the villa and no additional information about this person. In general, the text is full of value judgments and false information.
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I don't think he bought a villa in Egypt, in any case, I just don't trust sources 'fact checking' 'disinformation' as such.

Curious who is telling the truth here, as well;

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Ag with kids said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

Christmas joy is hard to find in the place with suspended elections and women conscripts. Some call it Ukraine

https://www.dw.com/en/ukraine-updates-ukrainians-mark-first-christmas-on-dec-25/live-67816386
As opposed to Russia, the country you're cheering for...


No no no, they are just sharing information remember?
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And wow, two years in and Russia still can't take an abandoned village formerly of 9,000 people. Russia simply lacks any offensive ability.
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The most notable development has been in the sphere of Ukrainian mobilization. Since Zelensky's last announcement in my last report, they've continued to dither on the matter, as apparently this quite painful issue was not easily agreed upon in the inner circle. In fact Zaluzhny himself directly contravene his boss in an interview where he basically calls Zelensky a liar:

You see, in his own statement last week, Zelensky said that it was the general staff that told him 500k was necessary, pinning the blame on them to take societal heat off himself. Here Zaluzhny contradicts him and says that it wasn't the general staff that gave Zelensky this specific number to mobilize.

In fact, a comical back and forth ensued wherein Zelensky released his own video heavily emphasizing the fact that it was the ministry of defensenot him!that is making these mobilization decisions. It's clear that this has become a game to pass blame to the other, in view of the public:

It's seriously humorous how overt and obvious it is. Both are terrified of 'taking the fall' for the mass conscription of new victims, likely because both sides are positioning themselves for what they know is the eventual culminating encounter where one or the other will have to be thrown under the bus and possibly 'eliminated'.

As if that wasn't enough drama, Tymoshenko's partyin an obvious attempt to ingratiate themselves to the public and appear the 'saints'announces the mobilization proposal is unconstitutional:

Zaluzhny makes another subtle point: he states he won't say how much of the required 500k represents replacement of losses versus creation of new units. This was echoed by Roman Kostenko, secretary of the Rada Defense Committee:
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The mobilization of 500 000 people is necessary to make up for sanitary losses and form new units, said Roman Kostenko, secretary of the Rada Defense Committee.

"How many people are needed to replenish sanitary losses in a year? How many are needed to form new units? Approximately this number. We must plan not for two months, not for six months, but for years, because the war can last for a long time, but in terms of influence political processes could end tomorrow, but no one knows. We must prepare for the worst case scenario," Kostenko said. He said that "everyone should fight" and not "talk about the economic or some other front."

In his opinion, the Ukrainians thought that victory would soon come and decided not to prepare for mobilization, and plans for a new large-scale conscription became a "cold shower." Kostenko called on the authorities to change their information policy and talk less about the imminent liberation of Crimea.
How many "new units" could they possibly have in mind? They took half a year to form merely 9-12 brigades amounting to 40-50k troops for the grand summer counteroffensive. They are already signaling in some ways that next year will be focused on defense. One can therefore only rationally assume they may be forming a similar 30-50k worth of new units, leaving the remaining 450k+ for "replacement of sanitary losses," which just happens to perfectly align with the 450k casualties many tallies currently peg the AFU at.

Zaluzhny goes on to express that he badly needs bodies, notwithstanding what kind of disabled people get exempted or not:
Meh…

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Much of the foregoing advancements may seem small on paper, but one must keep in mind the new testimony we continue to get from AFU in just how vast their losses are in most of these theaters. For instance the earlier one about the Bakhmut-Klescheyevka-Andreevka line, where they lost more per day than in previous months for a good stint.
Now that Ukraine is suffering a drastic shell hunger, each relatively "small" Russian advance is badly attriting the AFU. There were videos of dozens of AFU corpses strewn everywhere in Marinka, for instance, after the capture.
The only zone where it's a bit more even is Avdeevka, as they've now sent their most elite units there, and Russian forces there are taking quite a beating as well presently, with likely the highest losses of any current front. AFU's are still as high or higher, but it's the only area where the disparity is at least somewhat close.
Some small advances have been made there but thus far the AFU continues to defend extremely bitterly, stymying every Russian attempt. However, strong footholds have been achieved so RF forces have increasingly advantageous positions from which to continue assaulting. Several top UA commentators including Zaluzhny and Arestovich themselves both stated yesterday that Avdeevka would likely fall "in 2-3 months." At this rate that seems to be plausible.
The issue is, every single step of Avdeevka is now "pre-registered" with artillery and mortars. So as soon as storm units step onto a given coordinate, they are instantly hammered with cluster artillery, 82mm mortars, and FPV drones. However, AFU positions are hit 24/7 with huge glide bombs which likely create a lot of losses, not to mention the previous story of the entire company of 108 wiped out in a single hit, which was in Avdeevka.
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Several top UA commentators including Zaluzhny and Arestovich themselves both stated yesterday that Avdeevka would likely fall "in 2-3 months." At this rate that seems to be plausible.

Just as I've been saying. Two years in, and Russia's greatest achievement since since the spring of 2022 will be taking an abandoned village of 9,000 people.


Russia simply lacks any ability to mount an offensive.
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Dwindling aid, total mobilization, and economic collapse: Ukraine 2024.

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Ukraine is heading towards 2024 with mounting battlefield casualties, a lack of tangible military progress, the now-official failure of its counteroffensive efforts, its ever-widening conscription drive, as well as a shrinking flow of financial and military aid from its Western backers.

The country's prospects for the next year now look rather grim, with what were once the most ardent supporters of Kiev now apparently unsure whether aid to the country locked in a nearly two-year conflict with Russia should continue.

Tough winter to come?
Multiple officials have voiced fears that Moscow may opt to launch a new campaign against Ukraine's critical infrastructure similar to the one it conducted during the previous winter season.

Ukrainian officials have provided conflicting accounts of the extent of damage to infrastructure and of progress in fixing it. Nearly 60% of the country's power generation and some 43% of the entire high-voltage network ended up damaged last year, according to state-owned operator Ukrenergo. Ukraine's Prime Minister Denis Shmygal, however, said 40% of the "electricity infrastructure, including generation and power grid," was destroyed, with "most of this damage" fixed.

So far the Russian military has seemingly abstained, however, from staging a concentrated campaign against Ukraine's critical infrastructure, apparently focusing its long-range attacks on rear facilities such as ammo dumps, airfields and anti-aircraft defenses.

Western support on the wane?

Ukraine's top donor, the US, was unable to adopt a new lavish aid package for the country, with Congress shelving the issue after its holiday break. Despite acknowledging the fact that Kiev was now "almost totally reliant on Western assistance for artillery and rocket artillery systems and ammunition," the legislators failed to agree on it after weeks of back-and-forth, with the Republican opposition insisting Washington should focus on domestic issues instead. Now the US has effectively run out of cash for Ukraine, with State Department spokesperson Matthew Miller admitting last week that no "magic pot" of funding existed.
Record gas exports to China from Russia:

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Russia's exports of natural gas to China are expected to see a year-on-year increase of as much as 50% in 2023, Gazprom CEO Aleksey Miller said during a meeting with President Vladimir Putin on Tuesday.
Gas supplies to the South Asian nation this year will exceed contract obligations and reach 23.2 billion cubic meters, according to Miller, who added that in 2022 the exports had totalled 15.5 billion cubic meters.

Gazprom set a new record last week for daily gas supplies to China through the Power of Siberia mega pipeline, according to Miller. The energy giant has reported records for daily exports nine times since the beginning of 2023.

Miller also said that gas supplies to Russia's leading trading partner will further grow and are forecast to hit 38 billion cubic meters in 2025.

Gazprom supplies natural gas to China under a long-term contract sealed with the China National Petroleum Corporation (CNPC). The Power of Siberia is part of a $400 billion, 30-year agreement between Gazprom and CNPC clinched in 2014.
I wonder if Putin, like China, is funneling money to Democrats for 2024 campaigns.
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Where is the link for all of those quotes?
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Teslag said:

Where is the link for all of those quotes?
I've decided to provide fewer links so you and 'some' others can do some research instead on your own. I think it is good for you. You're welcome!
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