Russia/Ukraine from Another Perspective (Relaunch Part Deux)

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Poland continues to re-arm/build out their forces (unlike almost all of Europe), which I believe is ultimately a good thing. It seems likely a part of Ukraine will be absorbed by Poland eventually, imho.


Nortex called it, 2-1/2 weeks ago


Wait, so now Poland (a NATO member) is going to take parts of Ukraine too? Is this also the same source of nortex that told us about the Russian troop rotations that were totally happening but now not? Or is it the one that said Russia was producing 100 modern tanks per month?

No. Nato members would never violate the sovereignty of a nation.


Not without the blessing of the US
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Oh no, never, that is a sacrosanct principle. As Turkey and Greece agree.

Our 'partners' in the war for freedom in Ukraine:



Recreating their forefathers good ol' days during the holocaust:



This is a decent summary of recent events:

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Aside from failures on the battlefields, Ukraine had a rough few weeks filled with massive L's surrounding it on international arena and it makes you wonder if it's all coincidental.

Zelensky's massive failure at the UN
No invitation to Congress
Duda and Lula refuse to meet with him
NYT article debunking the missile hit on the market in Konstantinovka
No ATACMS "anytime soon"
Getting compared to a drowning man
Numerous media outlets admitting that we've been lied to about Ukraine's success at the front and talking about Ukraine losing
Poltava recruitment office admitting 80% casualty rate
"Sarah" Ashton Cirillo getting fired and being put under investigation

The new package(s) announced doesn't contain anything remotely close to being able to turn the tide and will only prolong the suffering of Ukrainian soldiers. But you can see from the tones, facial expressions and gloom in the corporate war media that the audience is being set up for the inevitable.

The question, how painful the process of losing is going to be for the world as whole, but especially for those that invested certain percentages of their GDP into the sinking ship that is Ukraine. We can all anticipate either some huge provocation or false flag as a last attempt to reinvigorate the interests of the investors into Ukrainian misery.
I like the 'stand for freedom' poster in English in the background. No doubt that one was printed/paid for with US dollars:



On the idiot front, Sean Penn (CCP/idiot) was on national TV blathering that he wishes there was more nuclear brinksmanship/we're not doing enough to confront Putin/Russia over Donbas/Crimea. I think Caitlin does a good job pointing out the utter emptiness of the whole 'this is in American and world interests' in her piece a couple days ago:
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Empire loyalists often talk about nuclear brinkmanship like it's something courageous that they personally are doing, as though gambling every terrestrial life on strategic grand chessboard maneuverings is a brave risk that could only hurt them. If you think you are brave for risking the life of everyone on earth to advance your personal geopolitical agendas, you might be a malignant narcissist, because you think the world revolves around you, and other lives exist only as props to support your main character adventures.

Hardly any human on this planet gives a **** who governs Crimea or the Donbass and exactly zero of the plants and animals do but people like Sean Penn and Paul Massaro think they have every right to not only gamble all their lives on a bid to control that outcome, but to call themselves courageous for doing so. Imagine being so self-absorbed you think you're a brave hero for putting the lives of Africans, Asians, and South Americans on the betting table who've never even heard of Donetsk or Luhansk and don't care who governs them, as well as every non-human life on earth.

I mean, the absolute arrogance. The ****ing gall. It's as emotionally stunted and infantile a perspective as you could possibly come up with, but these are the people whose worldview is shaping outcomes on this planet. These are the sort of people who are setting the trajectory of our species as a collective.
RSH has a very biased/anti-Ukrainian casualty discussion up. I do think it's reasonable to impute/swag Ukraine has at least 250K-300K KIA, though his high end numbers seem silly.

Anyway, forever war, comrades. Everything is going so great, I am shocked biden(*) is rumored to be pushing Zelensky to negotiate in November.
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TheBonifaceOption said:

Teslag said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

nortex97 said:



Poland continues to re-arm/build out their forces (unlike almost all of Europe), which I believe is ultimately a good thing. It seems likely a part of Ukraine will be absorbed by Poland eventually, imho.


Nortex called it, 2-1/2 weeks ago


Wait, so now Poland (a NATO member) is going to take parts of Ukraine too? Is this also the same source of nortex that told us about the Russian troop rotations that were totally happening but now not? Or is it the one that said Russia was producing 100 modern tanks per month?

No. Nato members would never violate the sovereignty of a nation.
Ah yes...this is where we introduce the false equivalency...

Example:

1) Man A beats the **** out of pregnant woman

2) Man B beats the **** out of Man A for doing that...

Some folks on here:



They're the same thing...
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Other than the nonsense about the need to censor Americans into a monolith of groupthink about this a la covid, it's interesting the tone of this 'wonderful thinker' revealing a level of desperation about how this war of waste is going.





When you're down to Liz Cheney as the 'republican' lecturing about how Ronald Reagan woulda done it…



Insanity…



Just remember where Ukraine falls when the propaganda press starts citing how horrible/disastrous the government shutdown is, shortly.

Emperor Biden desperately grants money without any congressional appropriation to Ukraine:





(We had a thread for Rand's very true and accurate comments so I won't expand further here). Josh Hawley:

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The US should not endlessly pour money into Ukraine, as Kiev has "nothing to show for it," Senator Josh Hawley has argued, following President Joe Biden's request for additional funds.

"If there's some path to victory in Ukraine, I didn't hear it today. And I also heard that there's going to be no end to the funding requests," Hawley, a Republican from Missouri, told reporters following a closed-door Senate briefing on the situation in Ukraine on Wednesday. "What we were basically told is 'Buckle up and get out your checkbook.'"

"It's American people's money. They've spent $115 billion, and, so far, they have basically nothing to show for it," the senator said, arguing that Germany and other European allies should "step up to the plate" in terms of aiding Kiev in its conflict with Russia.
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Take out Ukraine, insert Iraq or Afghanistan, and you would get exactly what George W. Bush said for years and other people after him about why we have to stay indefinitely in those countries and keep spending money indefinitely, with no oversight… It's the same recycled argument.
Speaking to Fox News on Thursday, Hawley reiterated his position that the US "shouldn't be spending a dime more on Ukraine," and called for an audit of the funds already sent to Kiev.
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Looks like the Russian Black Sea Fleet HQ got stronger today when it was hit by Ukrainian missiles

https://apnews.com/article/russia-ukraine-war-fcab4c6f0bd3738b34f9032cbef0833f
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"Everything is going great. Send more money."
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Are we calling it the fall offensive now ? Asking for a friend
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Russians are talking about a counterattack.


One thing we've learned as the Russians are definitely capable of doing a lot of talking.

One might call this "mythological".
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LarryElder said:

Are we calling it the fall offensive now ? Asking for a friend


It's still ongoing. And has now broken through Russias third lines with vehicles. About 6 to 10 miles from tokmak where they can put main Russian lines under arty pressure.
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Teslag said:

LarryElder said:

Are we calling it the fall offensive now ? Asking for a friend


It's still ongoing. And has now broken through Russias third lines with vehicles. About 6 to 10 miles from tokmak where they can put main Russian lines under arty pressure.


I'm sure it's any day now
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Possibly by winter. Will be slow, but steady. This isn't Call of Duty on your Xbox.
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LarryElder said:

Are we calling it the fall offensive now ? Asking for a friend
Yes yes, of course. But it has to be in quotes I think as it is, as with the other promises, essentially a myth. They have 'a chance' in November to break through, using the 'game changing' Abrams tanks etc. Always a wonder weapon coming in a month or two to dramatically change everything.



More:

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In his latest piece (archived) Seymour Hersh reports on the state of the war and of significant differences of opinion between the U.S. intelligence services:
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There are significant elements in the American intelligence community, relying on field reports and technical intelligence, who believe that the demoralized Ukraine army has given up on the possibility of overcoming the heavily mined three-tier Russian defense lines and taking the war to Crimea and the four oblasts seized and annexed by Russia. The reality is that Volodymyr Zelensky's battered army no longer has any chance of a victory.

The war continues, I have been told by an official with access to current intelligence, because Zelensky insists that it must. There is no discussion in his headquarters or in the Biden White House of a ceasefire and no interest in talks that could lead to an end to the slaughter. "It's all lies," the official said, speaking of the Ukrainian claims of incremental progress in the offensive that has suffered staggering losses, while gaining ground in a few scattered areas that the Ukrainian military measures in meters per week.
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The American intelligence official I spoke with spent the early years of his career working against Soviet aggression and spying has respect for Putin's intellect but contempt for his decision to go to war with Ukraine and to initiate the death and destruction that war brings. But, as he told me, "The war is over. Russia has won. There is no Ukrainian offensive anymore, but the White House and the American media have to keep the lie going.

"The truth is if the Ukrainian army is ordered to continue the offensive, the army would mutiny. The soldiers aren't willing to die any more, but this doesn't fit the B.S. that is being authored by the Biden White House."

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nortex97 said:

LarryElder said:

Are we calling it the fall offensive now ? Asking for a friend
Yes yes, of course. But it has to be in quotes I think as it is, as with the other promises, essentially a myth. They have 'a chance' in November to break through, using the 'game changing' Abrams tanks etc. Always a wonder weapon coming in a month or two to dramatically change everything.



More:

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In his latest piece (archived) Seymour Hersh reports on the state of the war and of significant differences of opinion between the U.S. intelligence services:
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There are significant elements in the American intelligence community, relying on field reports and technical intelligence, who believe that the demoralized Ukraine army has given up on the possibility of overcoming the heavily mined three-tier Russian defense lines and taking the war to Crimea and the four oblasts seized and annexed by Russia. The reality is that Volodymyr Zelensky's battered army no longer has any chance of a victory.

The war continues, I have been told by an official with access to current intelligence, because Zelensky insists that it must. There is no discussion in his headquarters or in the Biden White House of a ceasefire and no interest in talks that could lead to an end to the slaughter. "It's all lies," the official said, speaking of the Ukrainian claims of incremental progress in the offensive that has suffered staggering losses, while gaining ground in a few scattered areas that the Ukrainian military measures in meters per week.
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The American intelligence official I spoke with spent the early years of his career working against Soviet aggression and spying has respect for Putin's intellect but contempt for his decision to go to war with Ukraine and to initiate the death and destruction that war brings. But, as he told me, "The war is over. Russia has won. There is no Ukrainian offensive anymore, but the White House and the American media have to keep the lie going.

"The truth is if the Ukrainian army is ordered to continue the offensive, the army would mutiny. The soldiers aren't willing to die any more, but this doesn't fit the B.S. that is being authored by the Biden White House."




About what I thought thanks for link
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Well remember, that some poster told you it was the "mythological" offensive. Than the slow offensive. Then the offensive that never started. Then it started but failed. Then only took a small village. Then only a town. Then failed again. Then broke through the first lines. Then failed. Then broke through more lines. Now it's past Russians 3rd lines.


But carry on. One day it may fail when Russia unleashes their 100 tanks a month. And their 300k force rotation. That also isn't rotating anymore.
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Yeah I think there is some big celebration about 1 Russian killed and an administrative naval building hit by a cruise missile in Sevastopol too. Ok.

Meanwhile, the Russians keep building up forces/munitions…



And, of course, the ancient Leopards/Challengers seem to be, brace yourself, in need of constant maintenance/repairs…



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Tanks require maintenance? It's all over
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nortex97 said:



"Everything is going great. Send more money."


Glad to see the EU pulling their weight
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GAC06 said:

Tanks require maintenance? It's all over


Stop it or you'll get us locked.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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Pointing out the absurdity of claiming leopards and challengers are in "constant" need of repairs and backing it up with a tweet that says the minor issues are already being addressed and makes no mention of challengers at all will get the thread locked?

This just in: tanks require maintenance. I'm betting the ancient hulks Russia is pulling out of Siberia require some maintenance as well.
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aggie93 said:

LMCane said:

Gigem314 said:

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NATO has never been a threat to Russia. Period. That's a Russian propaganda line pure and simple.

Giving arms to Ukraine was precisely the right thing to do. An unchecked Russia would be a threat to the rest of the old Warsaw Pact countries had Putin succeeded in rolling over Ukraine. Now that we have crippled the Russian military, how long we want to send aid, and how much, is very much a legitimate question. My view is that we should send them enough to give them a chance for a breakthrough this year. After that, it it's going to be a long term struggle, the Europeans need to carry the bulk of the load.
But what happens when the year runs out and what we're giving is still 'not enough'? Because that's what will likely happen. My concern is that this becomes a boondoggle that just further distracts us from the real threat....China.

Of course, with such poor leadership for the U.S. right now...maybe that doesn't matter.

I just hope we can get some adults back in charge in the next couple of years, because right now there are no good scenarios. We just keep digging ourselves deeper and deeper into a hole.

answer this question:

does Russia successfully attacking and occupying a weaker neighbor with no pushback from free countries-

make it LESS LIKELY or MORE LIKELY

that another larger country sees what is happening and then will attack and occupy a weaker neighbor?
First off you seem to be forgetting that Ukraine was literally part of the USSR. It wasn't a separate country in the Warsaw Pact, it was part of the USSR. So were the Baltics. Russia is a very, very long way from even getting back to having things back to 1991 and is extremely unlikely to ever get there even if the US does nothing. They simply don't have the military capability for it. Then there is the Warsaw Pact countries that would be even more difficult for them to take back. They don't even have enough military capability to occupy those countries anymore.

Second stop bringing up pre WWII examples because they have no bearing. Hitler and Mussolini didn't have nukes and nukes change EVERYTHING. It changes it from winning a war meaning you could actually lose even bigger. If you don't think WWII would have ended differently if Hitler was sitting on nukes as we crossed the Rhine you aren't being honest with yourself. Beyond that though we have at least 10x the conventional capability of Russia and probably closer to 20 or 30x. That's without NATO. We have been massively outspending Russia militarily for decades and we started with a significant lead after the Cold War ended. They are not a conventional threat to the US at all and there isn't anyone really who is..

Third, you are talking about all of this as if either the Cold War is still going and we need to defeat the communists (Russia isn't communist, hell Putin embraces the Russian Orthodox Church and is more like a Tsar) or that somehow if we defeat Russia that everything in Eastern Europe will be stable. History says otherwise. If you defeat Russia that just means someone else fills the void. Maybe Turkey. Maybe each other. They have been fighting forever in those regions due to geography and that isn't changing unless you want to play world cop and expend massive resources to enforce our version of order and peace there. Sorry but those days are over and we have no national interest in who is in power in those countries so long as they aren't interfering with our trading allies. We do virtually no trade in Eastern Europe.


Another side bar on this- I think Russia and china know that getting into a shooting war is a bad idea. But looking at intelligence estimates that I'm sure they have and I'm sure they're pretty spot on, all China and Russia need to do is to play the long game and wait for the US to crumble from the inside.

I feel like China is pursuing that strategy on doing infrastructure projects throughout the developing world. Yes the US is a formidable foe now, but what 15-20 years we'll be a world of hurt financially again and they can take more counties off the board under their sphere of influence.

Who knows?
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We get: Weaponized toy drone videos.

Such a deal.
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GAC06 said:

Pointing out the absurdity of claiming leopards and challengers are in "constant" need of repairs and backing it up with a tweet that says the minor issues are already being addressed and makes no mention of challengers at all will get the thread locked?

This just in: tanks require maintenance. I'm betting the ancient hulks Russia is pulling out of Siberia require some maintenance as well.


Much better. Appreciate you making a coherent argument without the sarcasm.

Thats what will keep this thing open.
I'm not sure if people genuinely believe someone is going to say, "Wow, if some people say I'm a moron for not believing this, it clearly must be true."

It's not much a persuasive argument. It really just sounds like a bunch of miniature dachshunds barking because the first one one barked when it thought it heard something.
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There are a tremendous number of Leopard tank varieties, and the "1" models are from the 60's-early 70's, having been sold off to a private company some time ago, sitting in storage largely un-maintained since, and are not by any means 'simple' to maintain or bring up to some sort of real combat capability. The Belgian ones I believe had very unique/different targeting systems in particular, in addition to being procured around 1968

They had to cannibalize a lot just to get this number over. It was very predictable, to those of us following this saga of the absurd, that these would not perform well in Ukrainian service due to 'defects' or 'maintenance' challenges.

Much of these weapons transfers of old used stuff from the Northern Europeans in particular were for the purpose of duping people (often domestically), via the press into thinking their government had donated something of military value. The UFA of course will take any positive PR they can get too.
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Germany having to refurbish Leopards to send Ukraine means they werent maintained. They were Cold War stockpiles, and using any amount of energy, GDP, or time to get them battle-ready in 2023 is sunk-cost. But thats where we are. Just keep charging at a defensive line, losing Ukrainian soldiers and claiming "well at least we are depleting Russian artillery stockpiles."

fkin clownworld.
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Ag with kids said:

TheBonifaceOption said:

Teslag said:

PlaneCrashGuy said:

nortex97 said:



Poland continues to re-arm/build out their forces (unlike almost all of Europe), which I believe is ultimately a good thing. It seems likely a part of Ukraine will be absorbed by Poland eventually, imho.


Nortex called it, 2-1/2 weeks ago


Wait, so now Poland (a NATO member) is going to take parts of Ukraine too? Is this also the same source of nortex that told us about the Russian troop rotations that were totally happening but now not? Or is it the one that said Russia was producing 100 modern tanks per month?

No. Nato members would never violate the sovereignty of a nation.
Ah yes...this is where we introduce the false equivalency...

Example:

1) Man A beats the **** out of pregnant woman

2) Man B beats the **** out of Man A for doing that...

Some folks on here:



They're the same thing...
al-Tikrit cant hear you with the sounds of maimed children
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TheBonifaceOption said:

Germany having to refurbish Leopards to send Ukraine means they werent maintained. They were Cold War stockpiles, and using any amount of energy, GDP, or time to get them battle-ready in 2023 is sunk-cost. But thats where we are. Just keep charging at a defensive line, losing Ukrainian soldiers and claiming "well at least we are depleting Russian artillery stockpiles."

fkin clownworld.


They're getting them refurbished from Germany and from front line use in Greece at some point, with Greece backfilled by Italy. Seems like a great use for them without depleting NATO's forces.
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GAC06 said:

TheBonifaceOption said:

Germany having to refurbish Leopards to send Ukraine means they werent maintained. They were Cold War stockpiles, and using any amount of energy, GDP, or time to get them battle-ready in 2023 is sunk-cost. But thats where we are. Just keep charging at a defensive line, losing Ukrainian soldiers and claiming "well at least we are depleting Russian artillery stockpiles."

fkin clownworld.

They're getting them refurbished from Germany and from front line use in Greece at some point, with Greece backfilled by Italy. Seems like a great use for them without depleting NATO's forces.
Except the troublesome ones are reported to be from Danish stock;
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In 1976, Denmark acquired 120 Leopard 1A3 tanks, which were designated Leopard 1 DK. Delivery was completed in 1978. In 1992, Denmark acquired another 110 1A3 tanks, partly through Conventional Forces Europe treaty AFV reduction requirements. These tanks were upgraded to Leopard 1A5-DK, along with the first 120 Leopards. Being fitted with the welded turret of the Leopard 1A3, the Danish Leopard 1A5-DK tanks were not identical to the German Leopard 1A5, which were fitted with the cast turrets. Denmark had 230 Leopard 1A5-DKs in service from 1993, until their retirement and complete replacement by the Leopard 2A5-DK tanks in 2005.
They were retired almost 20 years ago, and likely little used since the mid-90's.

Consider (per Forbes):
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Ukrainian units, including the new 44th Mechanized Brigade, already have begun to field Leopard 1s, so at least some of the tanks are in working condition. But for the Ukrainians, it surely is discouraging that perhaps a third or half of the old tanks that so far have shipped to Ukraine were broken on arrival.

Contrast the Leopard 1s' condition with the excellent state of Ukraine's heavier Leopard 2s. Ukrainian brigades operate a mix of 20-year-old Leopard 2A6s and Strv 122swhich are Swedish versions of the Leopard 2A5as well as 40-year-old Leopard 2A4s.

The 69-ton Leopard 2s are robust and, considering the absence of scandal, reasonably reliable. In three months of hard fighting that began with the launch of simultaneous Ukrainian counterattacks across several axes in southern and eastern Ukraine, Kyiv's forces have lost just six of the 72 Leopard 2s they so far have received.
In short, the Leopards are very diverse, particularly among the much different Leopard 1 models, with different turrets, optics, guidance, pretty much everything short of the chassis itself. Sending them to Germany for refurbishment doesn't make an old tank suddenly…reliable/similar to one that is 20+ years newer etc.
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Yes, that's why the plan from the beginning was to use a portion of them as parts donors. Tanks require maintenance. The tweet you used to claim the leopards (and challengers for some reason) need "constant" maintenance said the issues are minor and are already being addressed for the tanks delivered.

It is unfortunate that Ukraine has to maintain such a diverse fleet of armored vehicles, but there's no way around that without us just giving them a ton of our own stuff.

It's good to see these surplus Cold War tanks get put to use for their reason for existing: stopping Russian aggression.

It's also interesting some of the potential story lines. The Slovenian M-55's are equipped with a Royal Ordnance L7 105mm gun that was originally designed to defeat Soviet T-54's. Potentially an upgraded T-55 in Ukrainian service could use that gun to destroy an ancient Russian tank it was originally designed for.
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Teslag said:

Well remember, that some poster told you it was the "mythological" offensive. Than the slow offensive. Then the offensive that never started. Then it started but failed. Then only took a small village. Then only a town. Then failed again. Then broke through the first lines. Then failed. Then broke through more lines. Now it's past Russians 3rd lines.


But carry on. One day it may fail when Russia unleashes their 100 tanks a month. And their 300k force rotation. That also isn't rotating anymore.


Don't forget that according to one guy's anonymous sources Ukrainians are dropping their guns on the battlefield and surrendering en mass so the war is basically over. At least if you believe the "journalist" who says the US never killed bin Laden.
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J. Walter Weatherman said:

Teslag said:

Well remember, that some poster told you it was the "mythological" offensive. Than the slow offensive. Then the offensive that never started. Then it started but failed. Then only took a small village. Then only a town. Then failed again. Then broke through the first lines. Then failed. Then broke through more lines. Now it's past Russians 3rd lines.


But carry on. One day it may fail when Russia unleashes their 100 tanks a month. And their 300k force rotation. That also isn't rotating anymore.


Don't forget that according to one guy's anonymous sources Ukrainians are dropping their guns on the battlefield and surrendering en mass so the war is basically over. At least if you believe the "journalist" who says the US never killed bin Laden.


Yes, the Pulitzer Prize winner. Let's try to be mature here please. I try to respect those who disagree with me.
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Pointing out that Hersh has devolved to some pretty crackpot "stories" is perfectly mature.
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nortex97 said:

J. Walter Weatherman said:

Teslag said:

Well remember, that some poster told you it was the "mythological" offensive. Than the slow offensive. Then the offensive that never started. Then it started but failed. Then only took a small village. Then only a town. Then failed again. Then broke through the first lines. Then failed. Then broke through more lines. Now it's past Russians 3rd lines.


But carry on. One day it may fail when Russia unleashes their 100 tanks a month. And their 300k force rotation. That also isn't rotating anymore.


Don't forget that according to one guy's anonymous sources Ukrainians are dropping their guns on the battlefield and surrendering en mass so the war is basically over. At least if you believe the "journalist" who says the US never killed bin Laden.


Yes, the Pulitzer Prize winner. Let's try to be mature here please. I try to respect those who disagree with me.


A Pulitzer Prize from literally 50 years ago is pretty irrelevant to how much the guy has drifted off the deep end in the last decade. It would probably help your arguments if you were more selective on sources or at least acknowledge when they are unverified/questionable, just my two cents though.
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Unbelievable, a cannibalistic, pedophilic artist in charge of 'rebuilding Ukrainian schools' (with American money)?

Please tell me this is not the case and just propaganda and I will apologize.

Edit: link to article, his/her own quote:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/zelensky-asks-marina-abramovic-to-be-ambassador-for-ukraine/ar-AA1h6Bf8

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"I have been invited by Zelensky to be an ambassador of Ukraine, to help the children affected by rebuilding schools and such."
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To be fair, RosemontSenecaHR probably lets H hold 20% for the Big Guy if they find cannibalistic, pedophiliac artists to teach kids.
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nortex97 said:



Unbelievable, a cannibalistic, pedophilic artist in charge of 'rebuilding Ukrainian schools' (with American money)?

Please tell me this is not the case and just propaganda and I will apologize.


It's just a screenshot of an article headline. Where is the text saying she will be in charge of rebuilding schools? Surely you didn't just fall for a screenshot and you read the in depth announcement correct?
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