ABATTBQ11 said:fka ftc said:PlaneCrashGuy said:Did you have any answers? I'd like to hear your thoughts...GAC06 said:PlaneCrashGuy said:
You didnt stay long or say much.
Is that because this thread is less fun now that NYT made Uke propaganda obvious? Was celebrating 1-2 meters of "gains" always a bit or did it just recently get old? Is the breakthrough coming?
Are you going to track my presence on this thread now? Go ahead and mark me present this morning laughing at the latest updates from RT.
Along with their friends who troll this thread calling people Putin fanbois, Russian intelligence plants or purveyors of Russian propaganda, they do not seek discussion. They only seek to silence any dissenting views of their most fabulous, most sovereign Ukraine and its brave wonderful leader Zelensky.
If it helps, just imagine they are Vindman with a keyboard and TexAgs account and you can get a pretty accurate idea of who they are.
The irony of someone posting this and continually citing the literal mouthpieces of the Russian government as purveyors of fact beyond reproach is palpable. You say picture them as Vindman with a keyboard, but maybe you should picture yourself as Scott Ritter.
Teslag said:
In addition, the talking point that Russia is in any way justified for invading a sovereign Ukraine is a Russian state media view and an official position of the Russian Federation.
Anyone echoing that will be accurately and factually accused of repeating a Russian talking point and official Russian position.
fka ftc said:
You continue to miss the point but that is not surprising. When you label everything as Russian propaganda, then you have zero credibility. Not sure I can make it any clearer for you.
Teslag said:
Except that I don't label everything as Russian propaganda.
fka ftc said:ABATTBQ11 said:fka ftc said:PlaneCrashGuy said:Did you have any answers? I'd like to hear your thoughts...GAC06 said:PlaneCrashGuy said:
You didnt stay long or say much.
Is that because this thread is less fun now that NYT made Uke propaganda obvious? Was celebrating 1-2 meters of "gains" always a bit or did it just recently get old? Is the breakthrough coming?
Are you going to track my presence on this thread now? Go ahead and mark me present this morning laughing at the latest updates from RT.
Along with their friends who troll this thread calling people Putin fanbois, Russian intelligence plants or purveyors of Russian propaganda, they do not seek discussion. They only seek to silence any dissenting views of their most fabulous, most sovereign Ukraine and its brave wonderful leader Zelensky.
If it helps, just imagine they are Vindman with a keyboard and TexAgs account and you can get a pretty accurate idea of who they are.
The irony of someone posting this and continually citing the literal mouthpieces of the Russian government as purveyors of fact beyond reproach is palpable. You say picture them as Vindman with a keyboard, but maybe you should picture yourself as Scott Ritter.
Please show an example of me "citing the literal mouthpieces of the Russian government". Just one example. On this thread or any other threads or forums around here.
Just one example. Go on, give it a go. Or just apologize for making yet another false accusation.
ABATTBQ11 said:fka ftc said:ABATTBQ11 said:fka ftc said:PlaneCrashGuy said:Did you have any answers? I'd like to hear your thoughts...GAC06 said:PlaneCrashGuy said:
You didnt stay long or say much.
Is that because this thread is less fun now that NYT made Uke propaganda obvious? Was celebrating 1-2 meters of "gains" always a bit or did it just recently get old? Is the breakthrough coming?
Are you going to track my presence on this thread now? Go ahead and mark me present this morning laughing at the latest updates from RT.
Along with their friends who troll this thread calling people Putin fanbois, Russian intelligence plants or purveyors of Russian propaganda, they do not seek discussion. They only seek to silence any dissenting views of their most fabulous, most sovereign Ukraine and its brave wonderful leader Zelensky.
If it helps, just imagine they are Vindman with a keyboard and TexAgs account and you can get a pretty accurate idea of who they are.
The irony of someone posting this and continually citing the literal mouthpieces of the Russian government as purveyors of fact beyond reproach is palpable. You say picture them as Vindman with a keyboard, but maybe you should picture yourself as Scott Ritter.
Please show an example of me "citing the literal mouthpieces of the Russian government". Just one example. On this thread or any other threads or forums around here.
Just one example. Go on, give it a go. Or just apologize for making yet another false accusation.
You know, you're right. I did a long perusal of your history, and you don't cite Russian propaganda. In fact, you don't cite anything. You just post a bunch of BS as if it's all factually true and unquestionable. You let nortex or someone else post all the propaganda and then just nod along and pontificate.
Who cares? Seriously, 50+ percent of the war coverage is propaganda, one way or the other.Teslag said:fka ftc said:
You continue to miss the point but that is not surprising. When you label everything as Russian propaganda, then you have zero credibility. Not sure I can make it any clearer for you.
Except that I don't label everything as Russian propaganda. Many things posted here are not. Many things are.
Do you think Russian propaganda has been posted on this thread?
So the counter-offensive never happened. Just one more 'conspiracy' proven 100% correct. Thx.nortex97 said:
RT from Danilov: Kiev has no counter-offensive time table. LOL.So, Ukraine's defense minister denies the mythologized counteroffensive exists as well! I feel so vindicated.Quote:
There is no timetable for progress in Ukraine's much-touted military counteroffensive, Aleksey Danilov, the head of its National Security and Defense Council, has claimed. His comments come amid reports that the country's Western backers are frustrated by Kiev's failure to make substantial battlefield gains.
Speaking on national TV on Wednesday, Danilov stressed that "no one but us can impose deadlines" and "there is no schedule" for the counteroffensive which Moscow claims has not managed to gain any ground.
He also lashed out at those who raise the issue in the first place, insisting that only "those who don't understand what war means" indulge in such speculation.
According to Danilov, he has never used the word "counteroffensive" to describe the ongoing fighting in Ukraine. "There are military actions, they are complex, difficult, [and] depend on many factors," the official explained. He added that Kiev's troops have adopted a NATO system which he said means that it is up to local commanders to choose a particular tactic to accomplish a greater objective.
Now, also, what a subtle shift to a future narrative where 'well, the local commanders failed, we gave them full authority.'
P.U.T.U said:
From the reports the initial counteroffensive plan failed as it caused too many troop and equipment casualties. Now Ukraine is going back to the artillery and picking when and where they attack. Going to be much slower but a higher chance of success.
PlaneCrashGuy said:
So should we put "spring counteroffensive" next to "ghost of Kyiv" on the "less accurate than Russia today" shelf? Wow. I didn't expect dominos to fall this fast.
So much truth the main stream media refuses to discuss…along with all their pundits. Endless wars are more their style.@KanekoaTheGreat@DC_Draino https://t.co/PaZiWjX2j6
— General Mike Flynn (@GenFlynn) August 3, 2023
Teslag said:texagbeliever said:Teslag said:texagbeliever said:Teslag said:Quote:
where evil people are contained by feelings of good. Evil is stopped by strength.
And yet this thread's solution to that evil is full capitulation.
I get you can't understand strategic economic and military maneuvers and the ways this catastrophe could have been largely avoided. I and others raised great points on how to really cripple the economy of Russia. But that would have contradicted your and the lefts God of ESG (climate change). So here we are as a consequence of your liberal friends. A destroyed and devastated Ukraine. But hey you were so manly and dedicated in your cheerleadering. So keep your chin up.
1. I'm not a liberal. Not even remotely. But I get how it makes things easier for you lump people together. You need that simplistic world view.
2. That's a lot of words to say you really don't believe in applying strength to combat Russia.
Salute the vaccine you are a liberal. Why our resident liberals fight so hard against an obvious fact is always a head scratcher. Take pride in who you are.
Liberals are anti gun control, anti trans policies, anti blm, anti esg, anti woke, anti income tax, anti government regulation and mandates, two time trump voters (and will be a 3rd if nominated), etc?
Interesting theory.
If Putin says so, it must be true...notex said:So the counter-offensive never happened. Just one more 'conspiracy' proven 100% correct. Thx.nortex97 said:
RT from Danilov: Kiev has no counter-offensive time table. LOL.So, Ukraine's defense minister denies the mythologized counteroffensive exists as well! I feel so vindicated.Quote:
There is no timetable for progress in Ukraine's much-touted military counteroffensive, Aleksey Danilov, the head of its National Security and Defense Council, has claimed. His comments come amid reports that the country's Western backers are frustrated by Kiev's failure to make substantial battlefield gains.
Speaking on national TV on Wednesday, Danilov stressed that "no one but us can impose deadlines" and "there is no schedule" for the counteroffensive which Moscow claims has not managed to gain any ground.
He also lashed out at those who raise the issue in the first place, insisting that only "those who don't understand what war means" indulge in such speculation.
According to Danilov, he has never used the word "counteroffensive" to describe the ongoing fighting in Ukraine. "There are military actions, they are complex, difficult, [and] depend on many factors," the official explained. He added that Kiev's troops have adopted a NATO system which he said means that it is up to local commanders to choose a particular tactic to accomplish a greater objective.
Now, also, what a subtle shift to a future narrative where 'well, the local commanders failed, we gave them full authority.'
No plan survives first contact...Teslag said:P.U.T.U said:
From the reports the initial counteroffensive plan failed as it caused too many troop and equipment casualties. Now Ukraine is going back to the artillery and picking when and where they attack. Going to be much slower but a higher chance of success.
Agreed. Counter offensive never stopped but the strategy did indeed shift as it often does in war. Their new strategy seems to be more effective albeit slower.
Ag with kids said:If Putin says so, it must be true...notex said:So the counter-offensive never happened. Just one more 'conspiracy' proven 100% correct. Thx.nortex97 said:
RT from Danilov: Kiev has no counter-offensive time table. LOL.So, Ukraine's defense minister denies the mythologized counteroffensive exists as well! I feel so vindicated.Quote:
There is no timetable for progress in Ukraine's much-touted military counteroffensive, Aleksey Danilov, the head of its National Security and Defense Council, has claimed. His comments come amid reports that the country's Western backers are frustrated by Kiev's failure to make substantial battlefield gains.
Speaking on national TV on Wednesday, Danilov stressed that "no one but us can impose deadlines" and "there is no schedule" for the counteroffensive which Moscow claims has not managed to gain any ground.
He also lashed out at those who raise the issue in the first place, insisting that only "those who don't understand what war means" indulge in such speculation.
According to Danilov, he has never used the word "counteroffensive" to describe the ongoing fighting in Ukraine. "There are military actions, they are complex, difficult, [and] depend on many factors," the official explained. He added that Kiev's troops have adopted a NATO system which he said means that it is up to local commanders to choose a particular tactic to accomplish a greater objective.
Now, also, what a subtle shift to a future narrative where 'well, the local commanders failed, we gave them full authority.'
How can something that never happened be proven to be successful? Hell, it can't even be proven to be a failure.10thYrSr said:Ag with kids said:If Putin says so, it must be true...notex said:So the counter-offensive never happened. Just one more 'conspiracy' proven 100% correct. Thx.nortex97 said:
RT from Danilov: Kiev has no counter-offensive time table. LOL.So, Ukraine's defense minister denies the mythologized counteroffensive exists as well! I feel so vindicated.Quote:
There is no timetable for progress in Ukraine's much-touted military counteroffensive, Aleksey Danilov, the head of its National Security and Defense Council, has claimed. His comments come amid reports that the country's Western backers are frustrated by Kiev's failure to make substantial battlefield gains.
Speaking on national TV on Wednesday, Danilov stressed that "no one but us can impose deadlines" and "there is no schedule" for the counteroffensive which Moscow claims has not managed to gain any ground.
He also lashed out at those who raise the issue in the first place, insisting that only "those who don't understand what war means" indulge in such speculation.
According to Danilov, he has never used the word "counteroffensive" to describe the ongoing fighting in Ukraine. "There are military actions, they are complex, difficult, [and] depend on many factors," the official explained. He added that Kiev's troops have adopted a NATO system which he said means that it is up to local commanders to choose a particular tactic to accomplish a greater objective.
Now, also, what a subtle shift to a future narrative where 'well, the local commanders failed, we gave them full authority.'
Sure, provide a counter article saying it is a success. I'll accept Ukrainian propaganda if you like.
Teslag said:P.U.T.U said:
From the reports the initial counteroffensive plan failed as it caused too many troop and equipment casualties. Now Ukraine is going back to the artillery and picking when and where they attack. Going to be much slower but a higher chance of success.
Agreed. Counter offensive never stopped but the strategy did indeed shift as it often does in war. Their new strategy seems to be more effective albeit slower.
10thYrSr said:Teslag said:P.U.T.U said:
From the reports the initial counteroffensive plan failed as it caused too many troop and equipment casualties. Now Ukraine is going back to the artillery and picking when and where they attack. Going to be much slower but a higher chance of success.
Agreed. Counter offensive never stopped but the strategy did indeed shift as it often does in war. Their new strategy seems to be more effective albeit slower.
So their new strategy is to use already depleted artillery rounds to support their advance? There is going to be no advance because there is no artillery to fire. They are going to dig in and be destroyed by Russian drones. It's going to be a bloodbath.
There hasn't been any strategy proposed to deal with Russian mines. So we are in a deadlock as far as Ukraine is concerned.
PlaneCrashGuy said:
You've never heard of progress?
Teslag said:PlaneCrashGuy said:
You've never heard of progress?
Of course. Ukraine is slowly progressing.
Teslag said:10thYrSr said:Teslag said:P.U.T.U said:
From the reports the initial counteroffensive plan failed as it caused too many troop and equipment casualties. Now Ukraine is going back to the artillery and picking when and where they attack. Going to be much slower but a higher chance of success.
Agreed. Counter offensive never stopped but the strategy did indeed shift as it often does in war. Their new strategy seems to be more effective albeit slower.
So their new strategy is to use already depleted artillery rounds to support their advance? There is going to be no advance because there is no artillery to fire. They are going to dig in and be destroyed by Russian drones. It's going to be a bloodbath.
There hasn't been any strategy proposed to deal with Russian mines. So we are in a deadlock as far as Ukraine is concerned.
This is incorrect. They ukes don't have a lot to waste but the they plenty to concentrate where needed and focus on breech which is what they are doing in the south. The ukes have all the time in the world as the Russians have zero ability to mount any real offensives. They are purely in a keep whatever they can mode.
PlaneCrashGuy said:
Ukraine is going to break through any second now.
