nortex97 said:

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Bakhmut quagmire works to Russia's advantage, but supposedly they have set a target to finish taking it by May 9th.

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Transformation of an army

Ukraine's armed forces underwent significant reforms starting in 2014. Western trainers started the process of transitioning the Ukrainian army from a top-down organization to one where lower-ranking individuals, like lieutenants and sergeants, have influence.

This shift in structure gave Ukrainian forces considerable flexibility on the battlefield, which proved to be a significant advantage in the first phases of the war. Lower-ranking officers and sergeants were able to respond to battlefield developments and achieve considerable tactical and even operational success.

The structure of the Ukrainian army and the goals of the Ukrainian political establishment, however, have shifted. Those lower-ranking officers and sergeants who were responsible for the Ukrainian success have either been killed or promoted, as Ukraine has suffered upwards of 120,000 casualties.

The soldiers replacing them, while their morale is high, do not have the same training and skills as the people they've replaced.

Fighting for total victory

This shift is mirrored in the political sphere. Initially, the sole goal of Ukraine was to keep fighting and prevent a rapid Russian victory. That goal was achieved.

Now, the Ukrainian forces are fighting for total victory. This is a subtle, but significant, shift.

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Apparently the Ukrainians have resorted to just blowing up buildings once the Russians enter them.

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"I just want to note that the Wagner mercenaries and the Russian Airborne Forces are suffering heavy losses in Bakhmut not so much because of street fighting, but recently because of the Ukrainian army remotely blowing up buildings.

"Meaning, after the Wagner mercenaries are crammed in a building left by the Ukrainian army, the building is being blown up, and everyone inside is killed. They can't stop cramming into these houses, because there is nowhere else to hide, firstly. And secondly, 15 people cannot get into a building, because they can easily be knocked out. Therefore, if they occupy a building, it means several hundred people at once. Therefore, several hundred are blown up.

"Wagner Group is complaining a lot about this Ukraine's Armed Forces tactic on their sites and Telegram-channels. They say it's not fair. Actually, they might not have attacked, and then they wouldn't have had such problems.

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War is horrible. This will only beget more atrocities from both sides.

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It's pretty insane to "both sides" a war when it's 100% the fault of the country who is currently invading.

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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nortex97 said:

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Bakhmut quagmire works to Russia's advantage, but supposedly they have set a target to finish taking it by May 9th.

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Transformation of an army

Ukraine's armed forces underwent significant reforms starting in 2014. Western trainers started the process of transitioning the Ukrainian army from a top-down organization to one where lower-ranking individuals, like lieutenants and sergeants, have influence.

This shift in structure gave Ukrainian forces considerable flexibility on the battlefield, which proved to be a significant advantage in the first phases of the war. Lower-ranking officers and sergeants were able to respond to battlefield developments and achieve considerable tactical and even operational success.

The structure of the Ukrainian army and the goals of the Ukrainian political establishment, however, have shifted. Those lower-ranking officers and sergeants who were responsible for the Ukrainian success have either been killed or promoted, as Ukraine has suffered upwards of 120,000 casualties.

The soldiers replacing them, while their morale is high, do not have the same training and skills as the people they've replaced.

Fighting for total victory

This shift is mirrored in the political sphere. Initially, the sole goal of Ukraine was to keep fighting and prevent a rapid Russian victory. That goal was achieved.

Now, the Ukrainian forces are fighting for total victory. This is a subtle, but significant, shift.

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Apparently the Ukrainians have resorted to just blowing up buildings once the Russians enter them.

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"I just want to note that the Wagner mercenaries and the Russian Airborne Forces are suffering heavy losses in Bakhmut not so much because of street fighting, but recently because of the Ukrainian army remotely blowing up buildings.

"Meaning, after the Wagner mercenaries are crammed in a building left by the Ukrainian army, the building is being blown up, and everyone inside is killed. They can't stop cramming into these houses, because there is nowhere else to hide, firstly. And secondly, 15 people cannot get into a building, because they can easily be knocked out. Therefore, if they occupy a building, it means several hundred people at once. Therefore, several hundred are blown up.

"Wagner Group is complaining a lot about this Ukraine's Armed Forces tactic on their sites and Telegram-channels. They say it's not fair. Actually, they might not have attacked, and then they wouldn't have had such problems.

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War is horrible. This will only beget more atrocities from both sides.

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It's pretty insane to "both sides" a war when it's 100% the fault of the country who is currently invading.

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The CIA played a large role both antagonizing Russia and in the maiden revolution, but I don't think it's all the CIA's fault.

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F/A-18E Super Hornets

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It may be the Aussie (not so super) hornets. Saw it a few places earlier, sorry. Supposedly, used (Boeing is winding the line down anyway in 2025), and to be extended a few thousand hours via refurbishment/inspections is what I recall vaguely.

#Australia has 46 x upgraded F18A++ sitting in a warehouse that could be sent to Ukraine right now #NAFO #Hornets4Ukraine https://t.co/Pm7sUetBv9

— 💧Busty-merc 🇦🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸🇸🇪🏳️‍🌈🇬🇧🇫🇮🇵🇱 (@bustymerc) April 23, 2023

nortex97 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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nortex97 said:

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Bakhmut quagmire works to Russia's advantage, but supposedly they have set a target to finish taking it by May 9th.

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Transformation of an army

Ukraine's armed forces underwent significant reforms starting in 2014. Western trainers started the process of transitioning the Ukrainian army from a top-down organization to one where lower-ranking individuals, like lieutenants and sergeants, have influence.

This shift in structure gave Ukrainian forces considerable flexibility on the battlefield, which proved to be a significant advantage in the first phases of the war. Lower-ranking officers and sergeants were able to respond to battlefield developments and achieve considerable tactical and even operational success.

The structure of the Ukrainian army and the goals of the Ukrainian political establishment, however, have shifted. Those lower-ranking officers and sergeants who were responsible for the Ukrainian success have either been killed or promoted, as Ukraine has suffered upwards of 120,000 casualties.

The soldiers replacing them, while their morale is high, do not have the same training and skills as the people they've replaced.

Fighting for total victory

This shift is mirrored in the political sphere. Initially, the sole goal of Ukraine was to keep fighting and prevent a rapid Russian victory. That goal was achieved.

Now, the Ukrainian forces are fighting for total victory. This is a subtle, but significant, shift.

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Apparently the Ukrainians have resorted to just blowing up buildings once the Russians enter them.

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"I just want to note that the Wagner mercenaries and the Russian Airborne Forces are suffering heavy losses in Bakhmut not so much because of street fighting, but recently because of the Ukrainian army remotely blowing up buildings.

"Meaning, after the Wagner mercenaries are crammed in a building left by the Ukrainian army, the building is being blown up, and everyone inside is killed. They can't stop cramming into these houses, because there is nowhere else to hide, firstly. And secondly, 15 people cannot get into a building, because they can easily be knocked out. Therefore, if they occupy a building, it means several hundred people at once. Therefore, several hundred are blown up.

"Wagner Group is complaining a lot about this Ukraine's Armed Forces tactic on their sites and Telegram-channels. They say it's not fair. Actually, they might not have attacked, and then they wouldn't have had such problems.

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War is horrible. This will only beget more atrocities from both sides.

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It's pretty insane to "both sides" a war when it's 100% the fault of the country who is currently invading.

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The CIA played a large role both antagonizing Russia and in the maiden revolution, but I don't think it's all the CIA's fault.

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More deflection as expected. Russia is welcome to gtfo if they don't like being blown up.

Ah, so pretty much nothing again. There's people pushing for Finlands old hornets or Australia's old hornets to be given to Ukraine. Finland already said no. First I've heard of supers but I don't look for twitter sources.

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GAC06 said:

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F/A-18E Super Hornets

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Where are you seeing that?

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It may be the Aussie (not so super) hornets. Saw it a few places earlier, sorry. Supposedly, used (Boeing is winding the line down anyway in 2025), and to be extended a few thousand hours via refurbishment/inspections is what I recall vaguely.

#Australia has 46 x upgraded F18A++ sitting in a warehouse that could be sent to Ukraine right now #NAFO #Hornets4Ukraine https://t.co/Pm7sUetBv9

— 💧Busty-merc 🇦🇺🇺🇦🇺🇸🇸🇪🏳️‍🌈🇬🇧🇫🇮🇵🇱 (@bustymerc) April 23, 2023

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Australia has 46 x upgraded F18A++ sitting in a warehouse that could be sent to Ukraine right now

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And the US has a nortex97 that COULD BE sent to Ukraine right now...

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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nortex97 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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nortex97 said:

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Bakhmut quagmire works to Russia's advantage, but supposedly they have set a target to finish taking it by May 9th.

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Transformation of an army

Ukraine's armed forces underwent significant reforms starting in 2014. Western trainers started the process of transitioning the Ukrainian army from a top-down organization to one where lower-ranking individuals, like lieutenants and sergeants, have influence.

This shift in structure gave Ukrainian forces considerable flexibility on the battlefield, which proved to be a significant advantage in the first phases of the war. Lower-ranking officers and sergeants were able to respond to battlefield developments and achieve considerable tactical and even operational success.

The structure of the Ukrainian army and the goals of the Ukrainian political establishment, however, have shifted. Those lower-ranking officers and sergeants who were responsible for the Ukrainian success have either been killed or promoted, as Ukraine has suffered upwards of 120,000 casualties.

The soldiers replacing them, while their morale is high, do not have the same training and skills as the people they've replaced.

Fighting for total victory

This shift is mirrored in the political sphere. Initially, the sole goal of Ukraine was to keep fighting and prevent a rapid Russian victory. That goal was achieved.

Now, the Ukrainian forces are fighting for total victory. This is a subtle, but significant, shift.

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Apparently the Ukrainians have resorted to just blowing up buildings once the Russians enter them.

Quote:

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"I just want to note that the Wagner mercenaries and the Russian Airborne Forces are suffering heavy losses in Bakhmut not so much because of street fighting, but recently because of the Ukrainian army remotely blowing up buildings.

"Meaning, after the Wagner mercenaries are crammed in a building left by the Ukrainian army, the building is being blown up, and everyone inside is killed. They can't stop cramming into these houses, because there is nowhere else to hide, firstly. And secondly, 15 people cannot get into a building, because they can easily be knocked out. Therefore, if they occupy a building, it means several hundred people at once. Therefore, several hundred are blown up.

"Wagner Group is complaining a lot about this Ukraine's Armed Forces tactic on their sites and Telegram-channels. They say it's not fair. Actually, they might not have attacked, and then they wouldn't have had such problems.

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War is horrible. This will only beget more atrocities from both sides.

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It's pretty insane to "both sides" a war when it's 100% the fault of the country who is currently invading.

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The CIA played a large role both antagonizing Russia and in the maiden revolution, but I don't think it's all the CIA's fault.

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More deflection as expected. Russia is welcome to gtfo if they don't like being blown up.

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If someone breaks into my house and beats the **** out of my GF and then I come in and put a few rounds in him, you have to understand that they're both the same kind of aggression and atrocity...

Ag with kids said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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nortex97 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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nortex97 said:

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Bakhmut quagmire works to Russia's advantage, but supposedly they have set a target to finish taking it by May 9th.

Quote:

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Transformation of an army

Ukraine's armed forces underwent significant reforms starting in 2014. Western trainers started the process of transitioning the Ukrainian army from a top-down organization to one where lower-ranking individuals, like lieutenants and sergeants, have influence.

This shift in structure gave Ukrainian forces considerable flexibility on the battlefield, which proved to be a significant advantage in the first phases of the war. Lower-ranking officers and sergeants were able to respond to battlefield developments and achieve considerable tactical and even operational success.

The structure of the Ukrainian army and the goals of the Ukrainian political establishment, however, have shifted. Those lower-ranking officers and sergeants who were responsible for the Ukrainian success have either been killed or promoted, as Ukraine has suffered upwards of 120,000 casualties.

The soldiers replacing them, while their morale is high, do not have the same training and skills as the people they've replaced.

Fighting for total victory

This shift is mirrored in the political sphere. Initially, the sole goal of Ukraine was to keep fighting and prevent a rapid Russian victory. That goal was achieved.

Now, the Ukrainian forces are fighting for total victory. This is a subtle, but significant, shift.

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Apparently the Ukrainians have resorted to just blowing up buildings once the Russians enter them.

Quote:

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"I just want to note that the Wagner mercenaries and the Russian Airborne Forces are suffering heavy losses in Bakhmut not so much because of street fighting, but recently because of the Ukrainian army remotely blowing up buildings.

"Meaning, after the Wagner mercenaries are crammed in a building left by the Ukrainian army, the building is being blown up, and everyone inside is killed. They can't stop cramming into these houses, because there is nowhere else to hide, firstly. And secondly, 15 people cannot get into a building, because they can easily be knocked out. Therefore, if they occupy a building, it means several hundred people at once. Therefore, several hundred are blown up.

"Wagner Group is complaining a lot about this Ukraine's Armed Forces tactic on their sites and Telegram-channels. They say it's not fair. Actually, they might not have attacked, and then they wouldn't have had such problems.

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War is horrible. This will only beget more atrocities from both sides.

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It's pretty insane to "both sides" a war when it's 100% the fault of the country who is currently invading.

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The CIA played a large role both antagonizing Russia and in the maiden revolution, but I don't think it's all the CIA's fault.

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More deflection as expected. Russia is welcome to gtfo if they don't like being blown up.

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If someone breaks into my house and beats the **** out of my GF and then I come in and put a few rounds in him, you have to understand that they're both the same kind of aggression and atrocity...

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Sure, they're both aggression. The person who broke into your house would still be 100% responsible, and I would hope there wouldn't be a bunch of people on the internet trying to say it was your fault they broke in in the first place.

Edit: realizing that I forgot to use a smiley face, so if it's not clear I'm definitely agreeing with your point haha

J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Ag with kids said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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nortex97 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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nortex97 said:

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Bakhmut quagmire works to Russia's advantage, but supposedly they have set a target to finish taking it by May 9th.

Quote:

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Transformation of an army

Ukraine's armed forces underwent significant reforms starting in 2014. Western trainers started the process of transitioning the Ukrainian army from a top-down organization to one where lower-ranking individuals, like lieutenants and sergeants, have influence.

This shift in structure gave Ukrainian forces considerable flexibility on the battlefield, which proved to be a significant advantage in the first phases of the war. Lower-ranking officers and sergeants were able to respond to battlefield developments and achieve considerable tactical and even operational success.

The structure of the Ukrainian army and the goals of the Ukrainian political establishment, however, have shifted. Those lower-ranking officers and sergeants who were responsible for the Ukrainian success have either been killed or promoted, as Ukraine has suffered upwards of 120,000 casualties.

The soldiers replacing them, while their morale is high, do not have the same training and skills as the people they've replaced.

Fighting for total victory

This shift is mirrored in the political sphere. Initially, the sole goal of Ukraine was to keep fighting and prevent a rapid Russian victory. That goal was achieved.

Now, the Ukrainian forces are fighting for total victory. This is a subtle, but significant, shift.

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Apparently the Ukrainians have resorted to just blowing up buildings once the Russians enter them.

Quote:

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"I just want to note that the Wagner mercenaries and the Russian Airborne Forces are suffering heavy losses in Bakhmut not so much because of street fighting, but recently because of the Ukrainian army remotely blowing up buildings.

"Meaning, after the Wagner mercenaries are crammed in a building left by the Ukrainian army, the building is being blown up, and everyone inside is killed. They can't stop cramming into these houses, because there is nowhere else to hide, firstly. And secondly, 15 people cannot get into a building, because they can easily be knocked out. Therefore, if they occupy a building, it means several hundred people at once. Therefore, several hundred are blown up.

"Wagner Group is complaining a lot about this Ukraine's Armed Forces tactic on their sites and Telegram-channels. They say it's not fair. Actually, they might not have attacked, and then they wouldn't have had such problems.

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War is horrible. This will only beget more atrocities from both sides.

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It's pretty insane to "both sides" a war when it's 100% the fault of the country who is currently invading.

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The CIA played a large role both antagonizing Russia and in the maiden revolution, but I don't think it's all the CIA's fault.

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More deflection as expected. Russia is welcome to gtfo if they don't like being blown up.

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If someone breaks into my house and beats the **** out of my GF and then I come in and put a few rounds in him, you have to understand that they're both the same kind of aggression and atrocity...

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Sure, they're both aggression. The person who broke into your house would still be 100% responsible, and I would hope there wouldn't be a bunch of people on the internet trying to say it was your fault they broke in in the first place.

Edit: realizing that I forgot to use a smiley face, so if it's not clear I'm definitely agreeing with your point haha

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That's exactly how Ukrainians must have felt about the cia led maiden revolution that put the ***** piano player puppet wannabe warlord in charge.

nortex97 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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Ag with kids said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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nortex97 said:

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J. Walter Weatherman said:

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nortex97 said:

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Bakhmut quagmire works to Russia's advantage, but supposedly they have set a target to finish taking it by May 9th.

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Transformation of an army

Ukraine's armed forces underwent significant reforms starting in 2014. Western trainers started the process of transitioning the Ukrainian army from a top-down organization to one where lower-ranking individuals, like lieutenants and sergeants, have influence.

This shift in structure gave Ukrainian forces considerable flexibility on the battlefield, which proved to be a significant advantage in the first phases of the war. Lower-ranking officers and sergeants were able to respond to battlefield developments and achieve considerable tactical and even operational success.

The structure of the Ukrainian army and the goals of the Ukrainian political establishment, however, have shifted. Those lower-ranking officers and sergeants who were responsible for the Ukrainian success have either been killed or promoted, as Ukraine has suffered upwards of 120,000 casualties.

The soldiers replacing them, while their morale is high, do not have the same training and skills as the people they've replaced.

Fighting for total victory

This shift is mirrored in the political sphere. Initially, the sole goal of Ukraine was to keep fighting and prevent a rapid Russian victory. That goal was achieved.

Now, the Ukrainian forces are fighting for total victory. This is a subtle, but significant, shift.

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Apparently the Ukrainians have resorted to just blowing up buildings once the Russians enter them.

Quote:

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"I just want to note that the Wagner mercenaries and the Russian Airborne Forces are suffering heavy losses in Bakhmut not so much because of street fighting, but recently because of the Ukrainian army remotely blowing up buildings.

"Meaning, after the Wagner mercenaries are crammed in a building left by the Ukrainian army, the building is being blown up, and everyone inside is killed. They can't stop cramming into these houses, because there is nowhere else to hide, firstly. And secondly, 15 people cannot get into a building, because they can easily be knocked out. Therefore, if they occupy a building, it means several hundred people at once. Therefore, several hundred are blown up.

"Wagner Group is complaining a lot about this Ukraine's Armed Forces tactic on their sites and Telegram-channels. They say it's not fair. Actually, they might not have attacked, and then they wouldn't have had such problems.

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War is horrible. This will only beget more atrocities from both sides.

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It's pretty insane to "both sides" a war when it's 100% the fault of the country who is currently invading.

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The CIA played a large role both antagonizing Russia and in the maiden revolution, but I don't think it's all the CIA's fault.

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More deflection as expected. Russia is welcome to gtfo if they don't like being blown up.

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If someone breaks into my house and beats the **** out of my GF and then I come in and put a few rounds in him, you have to understand that they're both the same kind of aggression and atrocity...

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Sure, they're both aggression. The person who broke into your house would still be 100% responsible, and I would hope there wouldn't be a bunch of people on the internet trying to say it was your fault they broke in in the first place.

Edit: realizing that I forgot to use a smiley face, so if it's not clear I'm definitely agreeing with your point haha

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That's exactly how Ukrainians must have felt about the cia led maiden revolution that put the ***** piano player puppet wannabe warlord in charge.

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Maidan Revolution - 2014

Zelensky Assumes Office - 2019

Perhaps you were referring to Poroshenko in 2014??? I mean, they did have an election and he won and ****, but...

It doesn't seem they did feel that way. They elected their current president. They got rid of the Russian puppet, who promptly fled to Russia.

And even if the cia installed Zelensky in some shadow coup it still doesn't give Russia any right to invade a sovereign nation or not bear 100% of the fault for anything arising from that invasion.

The Ukrainians are all good people, and enthusiastically patriotic about fighting off the Russians!

Senior Ukrainian politician’s wife was pulled over by police for violating traffic laws.
She starts screaming: “Go die in Bakhmut! My husband works in the government! Fuck you!"

The Kiev elites seem to be above the law pic.twitter.com/K7wYgqFcwS

— LogKa (@LogKa11) April 19, 2023

‘We refuse to go to the front line!’ The soldiers of the 34th battalion of the 57th Ukrainian Army's brigade, who miraculously survived near Bakhmut, recorded a video message in which they announced that they did not want to carry out criminal orders. pic.twitter.com/BNwIfwv6hW

— John Carter (@JohnEdgarCarter) April 18, 2023

Mobilized Ukrainian man escaping from Bakhmut, comments (with lots of swearing):

"We are simply sent to be slaughtered here, while Zelensky and his gang fill up their pockets with money". pic.twitter.com/CNEYRd10VP

— T.Vajrayana (@TVajrayana) April 20, 2023

We must trust commander in chief Biden to help them.

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Meanwhile, you've yet to exclaim how in fact Ukraine was sovereign, when, or different in that respect vs.Afghanisan, Haiti, Grenada, Libya, Iraq, or any number of other countries when our leadership decided they needed a new government/invaded/supported a revolution via insurrection etc.

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Easy. We had no right to invade any of those counties save for Afghanistan

SHOCK: Ukraine had a MASSIVE offensive against Russia planned for 2/24/23 but Biden vetoed it. The president feared if he allowed Ukraine to hit targets deep inside Russia, including Moscow, Putin would retaliate against NATO. Instead Biden agreed to send billions more in… pic.twitter.com/h9m7tI3lbU

— @amuse (@amuse) April 24, 2023

Forever war!

nortex97 said:

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Senior Ukrainian politician’s wife was pulled over by police for violating traffic laws.
She starts screaming: “Go die in Bakhmut! My husband works in the government! Fuck you!"

The Kiev elites seem to be above the law pic.twitter.com/K7wYgqFcwS

— LogKa (@LogKa11) April 19, 2023

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Sandbox money's Ukrainian cousin.

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And even if the cia installed Zelensky in some shadow coup it still doesn't give Russia any right to invade a sovereign nation or not bear 100% of the fault for anything arising from that invasion.

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And yet here you are, as usual, on this thread, despite your sanctimonious concern being so strongly protected as a sole-allowable viewpoint on the war pimp thread. Which is fine, because I appreciate the traffic here, it's just funny how sensitive your cheerleader clan is.

Meanwhile, you've yet to exclaim how in fact Ukraine was sovereign, when, or different in that respect vs.Afghanisan, Haiti, Grenada, Libya, Iraq, or any number of other countries when our leadership decided they needed a new government/invaded/supported a revolution via insurrection etc.

Anyway, on Ukraine, an updated story about our pathetic ammo shortage Poopy Pants, who is a senile commander in chief as we all know but teslag won't admit, because he doesn't in fact care about the welfare of our own soldiers being given orders in an escalating war by a confused senile old man;

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It's been known for some time now that America's reserve of munitions has been severely depleted by the ongoing war in Ukraine. Our NATO allies in Europe aren't doing much better. Concerns have been raised as to whether or not we would still have enough ammunition to support a sustained combat effort if we had to defend Taiwan against China or meet any other military threat. This is particularly true of our supply of 155mm howitzer shells, which the Ukrainian forces use in vast numbers every day. So why aren't we catching up on the domestic production of these rounds? As it turns out, we currently have only two plants capable of producing these shells and they are unable to expand production very much at this point. One of the plants, located in Scranton, Pennsylvania, is already working at maximum capacity and we can't open up other facilities overnight. (Associated Press)

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Further complicating the situation is the fact that we don't just make one kind of howitzer shell. There are multiple designs, all of which are used for different combat scenarios. Some are packed with the largest amount of explosives possible. Others are designed to fragment on impact, broadening the potential damage field. Some have onboard targeting systems, sacrificing some of the shell's punch for improved accuracy.

What almost nobody in Washington seems to be discussing at the moment is whether or not the current situation is acceptable. As noted at the top, if we had to get into a hot war with China or even Russia tomorrow while still supplying Ukraine, we would run out of ammunition in a matter of days or at most a few weeks. And it's not as if the Russians and the Chinese don't know this. America is making itself increasingly vulnerable in the name of continuing this proxy war in Ukraine. And there hasn't been a single vote taken in Congress as to whether we should be doing this at all or whether we need to impose caps on how much aid we will continue to give them.

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Obviously, China is very happy with 'their man' and this wonderful war on cheap energy/food/American stockpiles.

Yay, war!

1,2,3,4 let's have a food war!

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Former Russian president Dmitry Medvedev has threatened to end the UN-brokered deal allowing the export of Ukrainian grain if the G7 moves ahead with a potential ban on almost all exports to Russia.
The Group of Seven (G7) countries are considering a near-total ban on exports to Russia, Japan's Kyodo news agency reported last week, citing Japanese government sources. Russia has repeatedly threatened to scrap its participation in the grain deal, which is due to expire on 18 May.

Writing on his Telegram channel Medvedev wrote:

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This idea from the idiots at the G7 about a total ban of exports to our country by default is beautiful in that it implies a reciprocal ban on imports from our country, including categories of goods that are the most sensitive for the G7.

In such a case, the grain deal and many other things that they need will end for them.

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The G7 is reportedly discussing reversing its sanctions approach so that exports to Russia are automatically banned unless they are included on a designated list of products allowed to be shipped to the country, according to Reuters. Under the current framework, goods are allowed to be sold to Russia unless they are explicitly black-listed.

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That'll fix inflation!

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Still think the CIA installed Zelenskyy?

You think this is a big gotcha, ok. Read up on the history of the 2014 coup and subsequent government.

https://onlinecolumnist.com/2022/01/19/cia-started-ukraine-mess-feb-22-2014/

Not for you two cheerleaders, but does any other actual interested reader believe Zelensky suddenly won 75 percent of the vote for presidency in 2019 on an 'anti-corruption' platform, without US assistance? Victoria Nuland all but admitted on tape to picking the Ukrainian government officials. The Snowden documents had already made clear how much Obama-State-CIA had spied on various foreign officials directly.

He was, btw, comically elected on two main planks; (a) anti-corruption, and (b) easing tension with Russia. LOL, with word about his having skimmed $400 million (including buying gas/fuel from Russia), and the war with Russia I would say that, at best, he's a rival with Biden for the biggest failure in governance over the past 3 years.

The narrative suckers never cease to amaze me.

nortex97 said:

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You think this is a big gotcha, ok. Read up on the history of the 2014 coup and subsequent government.

https://onlinecolumnist.com/2022/01/19/cia-started-ukraine-mess-feb-22-2014/

Not for you two cheerleaders, but does any other actual interested reader believe Zelensky suddenly won 75 percent of the vote for presidency in 2019 on an 'anti-corruption' platform, without US assistance? Victoria Nuland all but admitted on tape to picking the Ukrainian government officials. The Snowden documents had already made clear how much Obama-State-CIA had spied on various foreign officials directly.

He was, btw, comically elected on two main planks; (a) anti-corruption, and (b) easing tension with Russia. LOL, with word about his having skimmed $400 million (including buying gas/fuel from Russia), and the war with Russia I would say that, at best, he's a rival with Biden for the biggest failure in governance over the past 3 years.

The narrative suckers never cease to amaze me.

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Nice attempt at a save. It's an interesting viewpoint though - someone gets elected by 75% of the vote and yet he must have been installed by the US and obviously all of Ukraine hated him and didn't want him elected. The cognitive dissonance is pretty astounding, and I almost admire your ability to frame basically every outcome to fit your desired viewpoint.

It's also still hilarious, but not surprising, that you're using that $400 million skimming rumor that literally has zero evidence besides one guy (the same guy who published an insane Bin Laden theory) saying he talked to someone in the CIA. Bulletproof evidence for sure.

No attempt at anything you think I owe you/to counter something you have to say.

I do think more should understand who his original benefactor was, and the history of American involvement in Ukraine/corruption there since Obama/Biden was sworn into office.

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During the Trump impeachment show trial, George Kent, a career U.S. diplomat overseeing Ukraine policy, testified that in 2015 he warned the vice president's staff that his son's position with the company "could create the perception of a conflict of interest" but nothing was done about it.

Burisma founder Mykola Zlochevsky, who had been the minister of natural resources under former President Viktor Yanykovych, ran into trouble after Yanukovych's 2014 ouster. Prosecutors accused him of abusing his position to embezzle state money.

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Zlochevsky, Zelensky, Yanykovych, Bidens, Elena Baturina, it all goes together into the slush fund of corruption we are increasingly throwing money and bullets into for…nothing.

Hoping to celebrate the deaths of 250,000 (between the two sides) tossed in as cannon fodder willingly or ignorantly by both in a proxy war waged by China's puppet masters.

Make false claims, get called out, respond with… more false claims

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And even if the cia installed Zelensky in some shadow coup it still doesn't give Russia any right to invade a sovereign nation or not bear 100% of the fault for anything arising from that invasion.

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HEY!!!

Russia has EVERY RIGHT to invade after their puppet that they installed earlier is removed and Ukraine was allowed to pick their own guy.

Removing a puppet is a declaration of war (installing one is 100% benign and ok)...

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Meanwhile, you've yet to exclaim how in fact Ukraine was sovereign, when, or different in that respect vs.Afghanisan, Haiti, Grenada, Libya, Iraq, or any number of other countries when our leadership decided they needed a new government/invaded/supported a revolution via insurrection etc.

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Easy. We had no right to invade any of those counties save for Afghanistan

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Don't you understand? You have to agree with and justify EVERY SINGLE THING THE US HAS DONE in it's 200+ year history or your point is 100% invalid and his point is 100% vindicated!

Duh...

Stalemate. DoD (dying) source;

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Now Ellsberg, who has terminal pancreatic cancer, told the Washington Postthat the leaks of NATO intelligence on the war in Ukraine offer a look into the fighting that officials have not provided publicly.

"The war is stalemated, that seems so obvious now except for the fact that both sides totally deny it," Ellsberg said to the Post. "What these new leaks show is what the Pentagon Papers showed, that the insiders all know that."

A February document that was part of the leak and reviewed by The Hilldetails a U.S. conclusion that the conflict is headed to a stalemate beyond 2023.

Ellsberg said the war in Ukraine "feels very similar to Vietnam." He cited Russia's nuclear capabilities as one of the reasons the conflicts are connected, with a world power involved that has nuclear weapons.

"It's not Iraq, Iran or Afghanistan," Ellsberg said. "None of those had any real possibility of blowing up the world. This one really can."

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Over 4 million rounds of heavy ammo sent by the US so far.

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With all the ammunition provided to Ukraine, and facing concerns about a potential conflict in the Pacific, the U.S. too is scrambling to up its production.

The Pentagon has allocated roughly $3 billion alone to buy munitions overseas from allies and to ramp up production at home, including for 155mm artillery shells, according to CNN. To help meet that need, the Army is planning a 500% increase in artillery shell production, from 15,000 to 70,000 a month, according to Army acquisition chief Doug Bush.

As this conflict drags on with no end in sight, the need for more artillery and tank shells, mortars, rockets, and small arms ammunition will only increase.

The U.S. and allies have promised to supply Ukraine as long as it takes. The long-term effect on domestic stocks remains to be seen.

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Here's hoping.

Praying that Xi can broker a peace in Ukraine. Praying Biden doesn’t try and scuttle it once again. We’ve got to allow the belligerents to negotiate. https://t.co/oYuFmZxd5x

— @amuse (@amuse) April 26, 2023

One thing seems clear though; if the Chinese want the war to stop, it will.

The source is "skeptical" that China has altruistic intentions? Really?

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Here's hoping.

Praying that Xi can broker a peace in Ukraine. Praying Biden doesn’t try and scuttle it once again. We’ve got to allow the belligerents to negotiate. https://t.co/oYuFmZxd5x

— @amuse (@amuse) April 26, 2023

One thing seems clear though; if the Chinese want the war to stop, it will.

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The Ukrainians are not likely to broker a ceasefire along the current lines, even if the Chinese want that. The Ukrainians have a ways to go before they will accept a stalemate. Might happen at some point, but I think we are still quite a ways from that.

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Here's hoping.

Praying that Xi can broker a peace in Ukraine. Praying Biden doesn’t try and scuttle it once again. We’ve got to allow the belligerents to negotiate. https://t.co/oYuFmZxd5x

— @amuse (@amuse) April 26, 2023

One thing seems clear though; if the Chinese want the war to stop, it will.

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The Ukrainians are not likely to broker a ceasefire along the current lines, even if the Chinese want that. The Ukrainians have a ways to go before they will accept a stalemate. Might happen at some point, but I think we are still quite a ways from that.

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The Ukrainian oligarchs who are profiting handsomely probably will object, no doubt. Certain Biden clan 'friends' just want more money.

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In 2015, Joe Biden's younger brother, James, and his sister-in-law, Sara Biden, became overextended financially after purchasing a six-bedroom, four-bathroom beach house plus guest house on Keewaydin Island, Fla., which was dubbed "The Biden Bungalow" after the vice president spent time there as well. Owing almost $700,000 intax liens and contractor debts, the Bidens turned to Hynansky for help in lieu of a traditional lender. The car dealer came to the rescue with loans totaling $900,000.

The bailout occurred as Hynansky's powerful American pal oversaw U.S. policy in Ukraine, and as OPIC authorized new loans allowing his company to build a new 7,300-square-foot Porsche dealership along the highway that connects downtown Kiev to the Boryspil International Airport.

Mortgage records initially reported the Bidens' lender as "1018 PL, LLC," obscuring Hynansky as the source of the loans. But the corporate entity is controlled by Hynansky, a 2018 document would later reveal.

The Bidens sold the waterfront house in 2018, and Hynansky released his lien on the property. However, Hynansky did not acknowledge full payment and satisfaction of the loans, according to the details laid out in documents recorded in Collier County, Fla.

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Though Biden is silent about his actions in Ukraine as they concern Hynansky and his businesses there, he has repeatedly denied that his son's Burisma dealings influenced his official actions in Ukraine -- which included handing over more than $50 million in U.S. support to assist the Ukrainian energy industry, an aid package Biden personally announced in Kiev the month before Burisma hired his son in 2014.

Republicans are investigating whether those funds were intended to help his son's business interests in Ukraine. Less explored is whether U.S. tax money has also been used to protect or boost Hynansky's Ukrainian investments.

Paul Kamenar, counsel to the National Legal and Policy Center, a Washington watchdog group. said that in dealing with Ukraine, Biden increasingly is drawing suspicion he may be putting his own political fortunes ahead of the national interest.

Many of Hynansky's dealerships organized under the Winner Group Ukraine are located around the Kiev airport. Though the American head of Winner Group Ukraine fled the country after Russia's invasion, the dealerships are still "operational," according to a spokesperson at Hynansky's headquarters in Delaware. All told, his Ukrainian subsidiary controls some 55 dealerships and service centers employing more than 800 workers.

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More deflecting after someone points out the absurdity of your claim that China will dictate what happens in Ukraine.

Do you want to address the question: How is China going to force Ukraine to capitulate?

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More deflecting after someone points out the absurdity of your claim that China will dictate what happens in Ukraine.

Do you want to address the question: How is China going to force Ukraine to capitulate?

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I don't know why you are angry with me?

China obviously controls the Biden White House, as most Americans have known for a long time. They are the key parter/ally to Russia economically/politically. They are also the key party that has profited from the conflict, in geopolitics.

It's not hard to see that, given the above, if they want it to end they have the levers/ability to stop the bloodshed/carnage quickly.

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More deflecting after someone points out the absurdity of your claim that China will dictate what happens in Ukraine.

Do you want to address the question: How is China going to force Ukraine to capitulate?

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I don't know why you are angry with me?

China obviously controls the Biden White House, as most Americans have known for a long time. They are the key parter/ally to Russia economically/politically. They are also the key party that has profited from the conflict, in geopolitics.

It's not hard to see that, given the above, if they want it to end they have the levers/ability to stop the bloodshed/carnage quickly.

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No one of average intelligence doubts the corruption and ineptitude of the Biden White House. Still, buying influence is not the same as taking dictation. If it was as simple as placing a phone call to get the US to change it's policy and cut off Ukraine, don't you think China would have already done that?

I'm getting tired of reading about illogical conspiracy theories that never prove out.

Isn't it possible that both China and the Biden White House team both want food/energy inflation to slow down now? I doubt anyone thinks the 'control' is as simple as picking up the phone and telling the chief of staff at the White House to get the truce done.

The real opportunities for graft for the various 'aid' providers will be in the re-construction anyway, one would think (especially now that enough destruction has been created). That will be…a huge amount of money.

It's not really a conspiracy theory any more than common sense at this point. You'd have to believe in a conspiracy like Wuhan flu came from a pangolin in a wet market or something still to not see the graft/corruption going on in all this, and it's not being decided/driven by the guys in trenches/firing artillery around the front lines.

Breitbart report on the politicking between Ukraine, Russia, China and of course the US:

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China's state-run Global Times ignored ignored Russia's actual response to the Xi-Zelensky call the Russian Foreign Ministry derided Zelensky as a puppet of warmongering Western interests and talking to him was a waste of Xi's time to claim that Xi's offer of leadership in resolving the crisis was "sincerely welcomed by both Kiev and Moscow, despite some voices from the West, especially the U.S., that have tried to distort China's mediation efforts."

The Global Times sneered that Ukraine knows China is its only hope for peace, as American influence wanes under President Joe Biden:

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Chinese analysts said the call readout shows that Ukraine holds a different attitude toward China's mediation efforts compared to the US. On March 21, White House National Security Council spokesperson John Kirby told reporters that the US does not see China as capable of being an impartial mediator between Russia and Ukraine.

Experts said this shows that the US has failed to provide hope of a peaceful solution for the relevant parties, including Ukraine, Russia and other European countries, and this is why even Kiev, who received weapons from the US and NATO, is now seeking dialogue and the possibility of political settlement from China.

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Another "Chinese expert" said that France and Germany have acknowledged China's "fair and objective" position along with Russia and Ukraine, so Washington is the only real obstacle to a ceasefire brokered by Beijing.

The Global Times pointed to the rapprochement between Saudi Arabia and Iran as evidence that China is now the world's leading peacemaker, complaining that it would be "too early to set high expectations" for a similar triumph in Ukraine because "Kiev has been deeply affected by Washington."

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Now that Ukraine shows a similar attitude to China's mediation with other relevant parties on the continent of Europe, like the EU and France, who really want the conflict to be stopped, Kiev has perhaps started to realize that U.S. and NATO military support cannot effectively protect Ukraine or stop the bloodshed, but will only prolong the conflict.

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I would not be surprised to see a truce include Ukraine in a BRICS alliance, as well as OBOR (one belt one road) initiatives. AP report:

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"China's self-interest happens to align with ending the war," said John Delury, an international relations specialist at Yonsei University in Seoul.

"Beijing has no interest in seeing Russia humiliated, nor is it in China's interest for Russia to be triumphant," Delury said. "The best option is a cease-fire and, with it, economic opportunities to participate in Ukraine's post-war reconstruction."

Wednesday's statement gave no indication how China might recommend addressing the questions the two countries are fighting over, including Crimea, the Black Sea peninsula seized by Moscow from Ukraine in 2014.

PLAYING PEACEMAKER HELPS BEIJING IN EUROPE

By playing peacemaker, Beijing might also be looking to separate European allies from the United States, which Xi accuses of trying to block China's economic and political rise.

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China may want Ukraine to essentially acquiesce to all of Russia's demands in the interest of "peace", but unless there is demonstrable willingness from both China and Russia to back down from insisting on Russian maximalist demands as a prerequisite to "negotiating peace" then I think you'll see Ukraine maintain the outward appearance of dialogue with China in the interest of stringing them along and preventing broader military support of Russia in the near term.

They'll hedge with China and then go on the offensive in an attempt to get Russia on their heels and drastically increase their negotiating position. Ukraine knows full well that they can't survive as a nation if they forfeit their coastline and most fertile farmland to Russia. It would just be accepting a slow death and deferring absorption by Russia till a later date when they're economically destitute.

Where I see the greatest danger is if China can convince Russia to back off of all claimed annexations apart from Crimea and offers to spearhead a sweetheart reconstruction effort in consideration for their forfeiture of Crimea. That would be difficult for Ukraine to pass up, particularly if China included a massive military package and iron clad security guarantees along with it. China and Russia, of course, know that they'll be able to erode Ukraine's western aspirations from the inside out over the long term and the opportunity for a massive influx of Asian capital investment into the country might be too tempting for the Ukrainian government.

A lot will ride on the progress made in the upcoming Ukrainian offensives. If they're once again able to recapture significant swaths of territory they may well remain dedicated to reestablishing the full integrity of their legal borders despite any concessions Russia might finally reconcile themselves with.

I think you see things as a 'country' making a decision, when in reality Ukraine, like many countries, is run by a small group of oligarchs looking for their best interests first.

I'd be shocked if Zelensky et al aren't thinking actively about when the best time to take their 'best offer' is going to be. OBOR etc. is tailored to work as such. That's why it has been hugely successful sful in places throughout South America/africa.