Texas going for "don't say gay" bills of its own

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BluHorseShu said:

Agthatbuilds said:

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/texas-bills-aim-to-eliminate-gender-identity-sexual-orientation-topics-in-the-classroom/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co

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HB 631, filed by House Rep. Steve Toth (R-The Woodlands), said discussions on sexual orientation and gender identity aren't allowed in the classroom from kindergarten through fifth grade. Meanwhile, HB 1155, filed by House Rep. Jared Patterson (R-Frisco), would restrict discussion of these topics from kindergarten through eighth grade.


It's absurd this even needs to be a law.
I'm definitely good with it. But geez, could we pass some bills to get Texas schools a little higher in rankings in education quality. I think we're 33 currently. I'm all for protecting the kids…but could we step up the quality of education
Make it illegal to educate children that are here illegally. That's a start. Then the main problem you'll have, which will always be present, is parents that are ****ty parents who don't have a personal stake in their kids' education. This is pervasive in inner cities.
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TaxLawAg said:

BluHorseShu said:

Agthatbuilds said:

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/texas-bills-aim-to-eliminate-gender-identity-sexual-orientation-topics-in-the-classroom/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co

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HB 631, filed by House Rep. Steve Toth (R-The Woodlands), said discussions on sexual orientation and gender identity aren't allowed in the classroom from kindergarten through fifth grade. Meanwhile, HB 1155, filed by House Rep. Jared Patterson (R-Frisco), would restrict discussion of these topics from kindergarten through eighth grade.


It's absurd this even needs to be a law.
I'm definitely good with it. But geez, could we pass some bills to get Texas schools a little higher in rankings in education quality. I think we're 33 currently. I'm all for protecting the kids…but could we step up the quality of education
Make it illegal to educate children that are here illegally. That's a start. Then the main problem you'll have, which will always be present, is parents that are ****ty parents who don't have a personal stake in their kids' education. This is pervasive in inner cities.


HS is a step above day care for students that can't speak English. It's a serious waste of both the state's and the kid's time and resources. You want to improve Texas education, then either teachers need to be giving instruction bilingually, or students must be able to pass some kind of English exam to start HS. Both options are some degree of impractical (especially the first), but outside of not educating immigrant kids, there is no real solution for improvement.

Then get rid of No Child Left Behind.
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Ellis Wyatt said:

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It doesn't need to be a law. Let the ISDs take care of it.
Districts like FWISD have proven they aren't run by intelligent, responsible adults. Sad, really.
Not your problem to tell them how to run their schools.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
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Agthatbuilds said:

Ghost of Andrew Eaton said:

Agthatbuilds said:

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/texas-bills-aim-to-eliminate-gender-identity-sexual-orientation-topics-in-the-classroom/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co

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HB 631, filed by House Rep. Steve Toth (R-The Woodlands), said discussions on sexual orientation and gender identity aren't allowed in the classroom from kindergarten through fifth grade. Meanwhile, HB 1155, filed by House Rep. Jared Patterson (R-Frisco), would restrict discussion of these topics from kindergarten through eighth grade.


It's absurd this even needs to be a law.
It doesn't need to be a law. Let the ISDs take care of it.


That's a no. Isds cannot be trusted as proven by their general behavior.

I think aisd's pride parade or rrisd sending home girl athletes to change so a boy could change in their locker room are good examples of why isd's can't be allowed to dictate their own policy on this front
Again, not your problem. If you truly believe in a small government and less intrusion from the top, take a step back and let the people of that ISD deal with their issues.
If you say you hate the state of politics in this nation and you don't get involved in it, you obviously don't hate the state of politics in this nation.
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The state is the small govt I believe in. Local govt is far more likely to operate in tyrannical manner by a very few amount of voters and/or bureaucrats


This is rightly a state issue, not an isd issue.
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BluHorseShu said:

Agthatbuilds said:

https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/texas-bills-aim-to-eliminate-gender-identity-sexual-orientation-topics-in-the-classroom/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co

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HB 631, filed by House Rep. Steve Toth (R-The Woodlands), said discussions on sexual orientation and gender identity aren't allowed in the classroom from kindergarten through fifth grade. Meanwhile, HB 1155, filed by House Rep. Jared Patterson (R-Frisco), would restrict discussion of these topics from kindergarten through eighth grade.


It's absurd this even needs to be a law.
I'm definitely good with it. But geez, could we pass some bills to get Texas schools a little higher in rankings in education quality. I think we're 33 currently. I'm all for protecting the kids…but could we step up the quality of education
You assume that quality is a problem across the board and doesn't vary by district and location. How is the govt supposed to fix that? Then there's the elephant in the room of Texas having more non-English speaking students flooded into its system than any state except for maybe California.
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BallerStaf2003 said:

Agsrback12 said:

This is ridiculous. China, Russia, etc are not training pansies and easy wins.

Our education system is beyond woke

Our military is getting woke.

Our country is not building. It's on the count down.


And yet instead of talking about real issues, you're all crying in the corner over drag queens.
Any "crying" over drag queens (and i think you mean opposition to them) that I have seen involves exposing children to drag queens. Some feel it is grooming, some feel it is trying to warp young minds into thinking certain things are normal even when they are not, some think it is both. Most people do not want chlldren exposed to drag queens.
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BallerStaf2003 said:

Agsrback12 said:

This is ridiculous. China, Russia, etc are not training pansies and easy wins.

Our education system is beyond woke

Our military is getting woke.

Our country is not building. It's on the count down.


And yet instead of talking about real issues, you're all crying in the corner over drag queens.
Not crying over drag queens. Crying over drag queens given access to children by adults in charge of educating our young. I hope someday you obtain the intellectual clarity to understand the difference.
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TXAGFAN said:

RWWilson said:

TXAGFAN said:

RWWilson said:

Children aren't born gay, they are, by and large, recruited to the LGBTQ+. The statistics are clear. How else to explain Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. You may be born more or less masculine or feminine, but you aren't "born that way".

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11501300/



This stat again and damaging and false premise that most gay men are molested. They weren't.

Get a new schtick and take your derail somewhere else. As a gay man I can't even fathom how people think you can be recruited into this or would choose this life.
I did not and do not claim "most gay men were molested". That is lie and hopefully you will retract it. I simply cited a study that homosexual men are far more likely (7x) to report being molested by a man. Add that to 20% plus Gen Z identifying as LGBTQ+ and there is no other logical explanation than massive propaganda and "recruitment". Normalizing and celebrating behavior will increase its likelihood just like stigmatizing behavior decreases the behavior.

You can claim "nobody would choose a particular lifestyle", but they do, just as people choose to be alcoholics.
You can't say "by and large" LGBT people are recruited, post a stat for 46%, and then get upset I used the word "most" to characterize your bs opinion. Bizarre point of contention.


I still can't get over that you're saying "most" in attribution to 46%… most would be 51% or higher
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TXAGFAN said:

C@LAg said:

kids today can't read , use proper grammar or do math, but BY GOD!!!!!!! they know their pronouns and when to use them
This post made in sarcasm speaks to how stupid the dialogue on this is. The fraction of teachers who step outside of bounds this law proposes are not the issue in Texas' education system, which ranks 34th (various measures for education all seem to place Texas in bottom half). In Florida I thought this legislation was a waste of time; but they're rated significantly higher at #3 in the same ranking I just looked at for Texas (US News and World Reports) so they may have some time to deal with smaller issues.

Embarrassing. State that says they care about kids does nothing meaningful to help them relative to other states.
Hey! look over there while I trans your kid!
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You'd think this would be celebrated by everyone that is against "grooming" of any type.

If kid is born straight, no grooming to be gay or trans or any of the other stupidity out there right now.

If the kid is born gay, no grooming from breeders.

Win-win

Let them be kids and quit trying to take their innocence away.
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Maybe it's genetic and they are born that way, if so the future of genetic editing will end gayness. But more than likely it will continue because it is behavioral choice.
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BigRobSA said:

You'd think this would be celebrated by everyone that is against "grooming" of any type.

If kid is born straight, no grooming to be gay or trans or any of the other stupidity out there right now.

If the kid is born gay, no grooming from breeders.

Win-win

Let them be kids and quit trying to take their innocence away.


Exactly. It's bizarre how much misdirection and obfuscation happens in these threads. Every single time without fail.
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SpreadsheetAg said:

TXAGFAN said:

RWWilson said:

TXAGFAN said:

RWWilson said:

Children aren't born gay, they are, by and large, recruited to the LGBTQ+. The statistics are clear. How else to explain Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. You may be born more or less masculine or feminine, but you aren't "born that way".

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11501300/



This stat again and damaging and false premise that most gay men are molested. They weren't.

Get a new schtick and take your derail somewhere else. As a gay man I can't even fathom how people think you can be recruited into this or would choose this life.
I did not and do not claim "most gay men were molested". That is lie and hopefully you will retract it. I simply cited a study that homosexual men are far more likely (7x) to report being molested by a man. Add that to 20% plus Gen Z identifying as LGBTQ+ and there is no other logical explanation than massive propaganda and "recruitment". Normalizing and celebrating behavior will increase its likelihood just like stigmatizing behavior decreases the behavior.

You can claim "nobody would choose a particular lifestyle", but they do, just as people choose to be alcoholics.
You can't say "by and large" LGBT people are recruited, post a stat for 46%, and then get upset I used the word "most" to characterize your bs opinion. Bizarre point of contention.


I still can't get over that you're saying "most" in attribution to 46%… most would be 51% or higher
He is burying the lede. Study after study shows gay men reporting homosexual childhood molestation at rates 7x heterosexual men. That alone proves that those with "grooming" concerns are correct. And to think that for years, they convinced children there was a "gay gene". The entire LGBTQ+ movement is built upon a massive propaganda campaign and lie after lie.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11501300/


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9127231/







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RWWilson said:

SpreadsheetAg said:

TXAGFAN said:

RWWilson said:

TXAGFAN said:

RWWilson said:

Children aren't born gay, they are, by and large, recruited to the LGBTQ+. The statistics are clear. How else to explain Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. You may be born more or less masculine or feminine, but you aren't "born that way".

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11501300/



This stat again and damaging and false premise that most gay men are molested. They weren't.

Get a new schtick and take your derail somewhere else. As a gay man I can't even fathom how people think you can be recruited into this or would choose this life.
I did not and do not claim "most gay men were molested". That is lie and hopefully you will retract it. I simply cited a study that homosexual men are far more likely (7x) to report being molested by a man. Add that to 20% plus Gen Z identifying as LGBTQ+ and there is no other logical explanation than massive propaganda and "recruitment". Normalizing and celebrating behavior will increase its likelihood just like stigmatizing behavior decreases the behavior.

You can claim "nobody would choose a particular lifestyle", but they do, just as people choose to be alcoholics.
You can't say "by and large" LGBT people are recruited, post a stat for 46%, and then get upset I used the word "most" to characterize your bs opinion. Bizarre point of contention.


I still can't get over that you're saying "most" in attribution to 46%… most would be 51% or higher
He is burying the lede. Study after study shows gay men reporting homosexual childhood molestation at rates 7x heterosexual men. That alone proves that those with "grooming" concerns are correct. And to think that for years, they convinced children there was a "gay gene". The entire LGBTQ+ movement is built upon a massive propaganda campaign and lie after lie.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11501300/


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9127231/










I'm fresh off a 3 day ban, and have been wanting to reply to this for a while.

Posts like this are what make you so disingenuous.

Oh so you found percentages and figures? How clever. Who is the random person that did each of these articles? Are they from Harvard, Oxford? Anywhere reputable. Is this study respected is psychology?

In short, no. You're pathetically using 20-25 year old articles from NOTHING reputable to justify your views.

TWENTY TO TWENTY FIVE YEARS OLD!!!

Do you know how few clinical studies hold up over time to begin with? Let alone ones from random dudes.

I'm sure I can find some articles stating that homophobic trolls on the internet are blah blah blah percentage to be gay. How would you feel about that?
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BallerStaf2003 said:

RWWilson said:

SpreadsheetAg said:

TXAGFAN said:

RWWilson said:

TXAGFAN said:

RWWilson said:

Children aren't born gay, they are, by and large, recruited to the LGBTQ+. The statistics are clear. How else to explain Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. You may be born more or less masculine or feminine, but you aren't "born that way".

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11501300/



This stat again and damaging and false premise that most gay men are molested. They weren't.

Get a new schtick and take your derail somewhere else. As a gay man I can't even fathom how people think you can be recruited into this or would choose this life.
I did not and do not claim "most gay men were molested". That is lie and hopefully you will retract it. I simply cited a study that homosexual men are far more likely (7x) to report being molested by a man. Add that to 20% plus Gen Z identifying as LGBTQ+ and there is no other logical explanation than massive propaganda and "recruitment". Normalizing and celebrating behavior will increase its likelihood just like stigmatizing behavior decreases the behavior.

You can claim "nobody would choose a particular lifestyle", but they do, just as people choose to be alcoholics.
You can't say "by and large" LGBT people are recruited, post a stat for 46%, and then get upset I used the word "most" to characterize your bs opinion. Bizarre point of contention.


I still can't get over that you're saying "most" in attribution to 46%… most would be 51% or higher
He is burying the lede. Study after study shows gay men reporting homosexual childhood molestation at rates 7x heterosexual men. That alone proves that those with "grooming" concerns are correct. And to think that for years, they convinced children there was a "gay gene". The entire LGBTQ+ movement is built upon a massive propaganda campaign and lie after lie.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11501300/


https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/9127231/










I'm fresh off a 3 day ban, and have been wanting to reply to this for a while.

Posts like this are what make you so disingenuous.

Oh so you found percentages and figures? How clever. Who is the random person that did each of these articles? Are they from Harvard? Sociology department? Is this study respected is psychology?

In short, no. You're pathetically using 20-25 year old articles from NOTHING reputable to justify your views.

TWENTY TO TWENTY FIVE YEARS OLD!!!

Do you know how few clinical studies hold up over time to begin with? Let alone ones from random dudes.

I'm sure I can find some articles stating that homophobic trolls on the internet are blah blah blah percentage to be gay. How would you feel about that?



https://www.reuters.com/article/us-britain-lgbt-crime-trfn/nearly-half-of-gay-bi-men-in-uk-sexually-assaulted-survey-finds-idUSKBN2ES29Y

https://onlinelibrary.wiley.com/doi/pdf/10.1046/j.1525-1497.1997.012004250.x

Not sure what your gripe is with the age of these studies. At some point the topic is no longer interesting as a field of study because the conclusions are clear. You don't see a lot of recent research on whether cigarettes cause cancer either.
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Both are terrible, but rape and molestation are not the same thing. You know this.

Check out stats on how many women have been sexually assaulted if you want to go down that road. Not a great look for straight guys.
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The fact that these bills were labeled "Don't say gay" bills vs. "Let kids just be kids" or "Talk sexuality later" bills tells you all you need to know. The right pigs are squealing.
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B-1 83 said:



The fact that these bills were labeled "Don't say gay" bills vs. "Let kids just be kids" or "Talk sexuality later" bills tells you all you need to know. The right pigs are squealing.
Your victim commentary is so repetitive and lazy. I don't know how you get away with these ad hom attacks, they are without basis and derogatory.

Eta: they got this labeling because of the original text of the Florida bill, just an FYI since you don't read.
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TXAGFAN said:

B-1 83 said:



The fact that these bills were labeled "Don't say gay" bills vs. "Let kids just be kids" or "Talk sexuality later" bills tells you all you need to know. The right pigs are squealing.
Your victim commentary is so repetitive and lazy. I don't know how you get away with these ad hom attacks, they are without basis and derogatory.

Eta: they got this labeling because of the original text of the Florida bill, just an FYI since you don't read.
The proper name for the bill is the "Parental Rights in Education Bill", since it is obvious it is you who doesn't read, and it doesn't single out LGBTXYZ education for small children……it delays it all until age appropriate. Which pigs do you suppose were squealing and labeling it a fictional, misleading name? Now tell us why a kindergartner needs to be taught about any sexuality or gender orientation.
It only took me a year to figure out this place is nuts!
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Monkeypoxfighter said:

TXAGFAN said:

B-1 83 said:



The fact that these bills were labeled "Don't say gay" bills vs. "Let kids just be kids" or "Talk sexuality later" bills tells you all you need to know. The right pigs are squealing.
Your victim commentary is so repetitive and lazy. I don't know how you get away with these ad hom attacks, they are without basis and derogatory.

Eta: they got this labeling because of the original text of the Florida bill, just an FYI since you don't read.
The proper name for the bill is the "Parental Rights in Education Bill", since it is obvious it is you who doesn't read, and it doesn't single out LGBTXYZ education for small children……it delays it all until age appropriate. Which pigs do you suppose were squealing and labeling it a fictional, misleading name? Now tell us why a kindergartner needs to be taught about any sexuality or gender orientation.
NM. Staff scrubbed my first request, so why bother, even if you are pretty much nails on what I was going to say.
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Exactly, no point in going further down this road imho with folks who are just really emotional about public school teachers possibly not being permitted in the future to discuss human sexuality/GLBTQ propaganda with kids in elementary schools.

Bringing up the lies about the Florida bill is funny to me though. Ron DeSantis was an absolute monster destroying the clownish liar who brought up this bs to his face with the cameras on:



That's how it's done, boys and girls.
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Last post from two days ago but this popped back up on my watchlist. Why are threads being edited days after nobody has posted on them?
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nortex97 said:

Exactly, no point in going further down this road imho with folks who are just really emotional about public school teachers possibly not being permitted in the future to discuss human sexuality/GLBTQ propaganda with kids in elementary schools.

Bringing up the lies about the Florida bill is funny to me though. Ron DeSantis was an absolute monster destroying the clownish liar who brought up this bs to his face with the cameras on:



That's how it's done, boys and girls.


This is how you lose the gay vote, which would love to vote Republican, in a national election.
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BallerStaf2003 said:

nortex97 said:

Exactly, no point in going further down this road imho with folks who are just really emotional about public school teachers possibly not being permitted in the future to discuss human sexuality/GLBTQ propaganda with kids in elementary schools.

Bringing up the lies about the Florida bill is funny to me though. Ron DeSantis was an absolute monster destroying the clownish liar who brought up this bs to his face with the cameras on:



That's how it's done, boys and girls.


This is how you lose the gay vote, which would love to vote Republican, in a national election.


Why?

I'd also like to hear more about "would love to vote Republican".
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BallerStaf2003 said:

nortex97 said:

Exactly, no point in going further down this road imho with folks who are just really emotional about public school teachers possibly not being permitted in the future to discuss human sexuality/GLBTQ propaganda with kids in elementary schools.

Bringing up the lies about the Florida bill is funny to me though. Ron DeSantis was an absolute monster destroying the clownish liar who brought up this bs to his face with the cameras on:



That's how it's done, boys and girls.


This is how you lose the gay vote, which would love to vote Republican, in a national election.



Why would calling out a clown reporter lose the gay vote?
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Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

BallerStaf2003 said:

nortex97 said:

Exactly, no point in going further down this road imho with folks who are just really emotional about public school teachers possibly not being permitted in the future to discuss human sexuality/GLBTQ propaganda with kids in elementary schools.

Bringing up the lies about the Florida bill is funny to me though. Ron DeSantis was an absolute monster destroying the clownish liar who brought up this bs to his face with the cameras on:



That's how it's done, boys and girls.


This is how you lose the gay vote, which would love to vote Republican, in a national election.


Why?

I'd also like to hear more about "would love to vote Republican".


What is confusing about it?
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I still don't get why Ron Desantis pointing out dishonesty in the media loses him the gay vote…

I didn't see him say anything positive or negative about homosexuality in that clip, just that those topics were not appropriate for K-3rd grade.
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CoachO_08 said:

I still don't get why Ron Desantis pointing out dishonesty in the media loses him the gay vote…

I didn't see him say anything positive or negative about homosexuality in that clip, just that those topics were not appropriate for K-3rd grade.


Nor can I understand why teachers think it's okay to talk to their students about their lbgtq status or activist interest. This is a reactionary law, not a proactive one.

Kids should mnt know about your love life. The kids targeted in fla's/tx's laws should have curriculum covering sex, gender, lgbtq lifestyles. It's really really simple.
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Saw a young gal wearing a tshirt with #saygay repeated all over it the other day. I wanted to tell her "I'm sorry your father was crap, but you don't have to act like this," but I was busy being a father.
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BallerStaf2003 said:

Some Junkie Cosmonaut said:

BallerStaf2003 said:

nortex97 said:

Exactly, no point in going further down this road imho with folks who are just really emotional about public school teachers possibly not being permitted in the future to discuss human sexuality/GLBTQ propaganda with kids in elementary schools.

Bringing up the lies about the Florida bill is funny to me though. Ron DeSantis was an absolute monster destroying the clownish liar who brought up this bs to his face with the cameras on:



That's how it's done, boys and girls.


This is how you lose the gay vote, which would love to vote Republican, in a national election.


Why?

I'd also like to hear more about "would love to vote Republican".


What is confusing about it?
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BallerStaf2003 said:

nortex97 said:

Exactly, no point in going further down this road imho with folks who are just really emotional about public school teachers possibly not being permitted in the future to discuss human sexuality/GLBTQ propaganda with kids in elementary schools.

Bringing up the lies about the Florida bill is funny to me though. Ron DeSantis was an absolute monster destroying the clownish liar who brought up this bs to his face with the cameras on:



That's how it's done, boys and girls.


This is how you lose the gay vote, which would love to vote Republican, in a national election.
To the extent you are right, which I am highly skeptical of, it demonstrates how insanely irrational said GLBTQ voters are then. I'll explain:

  • First, consenting adult bedroom activities make no sense at all to me, as an 'issue voter.'
  • Second, his whole point in that response is that the 'don't say gay' name the militant leftists assigned the bill is inaccurate, and a false representation of the legislation.
  • Third, I believe thinking adult homosexuals should and do favor eliminating involving kids in their 'movement' as a source of indoctrination into the movement via 'kids drag shows' etc.

This bill should, in fact as such, be something they'd support and not acquiescence to a thought police/'progressive' narrative that kids must be taught about being gay while in kindergarten.

Really weird take. But whatever. Your post wasn't intended to be serious, I believe, so I'll only provide the above and that link to an adult analyses of the issue covered by the Florida legislation.

When you've lost Bill Maher even, LOL. If you cared about growing public support for whatever it is 'gay rights' means to you, you wouldn't worry about things like De Santis' response but rather things like this:





 
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