TXAGFAN said:

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C@LAg said:

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kids today can't read , use proper grammar or do math, but BY GOD!!!!!!! they know their pronouns and when to use them

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This post made in sarcasm speaks to how stupid the dialogue on this is. The fraction of teachers who step outside of bounds this law proposes are not the issue in Texas' education system, which ranks 34th (various measures for education all seem to place Texas in bottom half). In Florida I thought this legislation was a waste of time; but they're rated significantly higher at #3 in the same ranking I just looked at for Texas (US News and World Reports) so they may have some time to deal with smaller issues.

Embarrassing. State that says they care about kids does nothing meaningful to help them relative to other states.

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Wtf are you babbling about? The education system where I live - The Woodlands - is great. My kids are in private school, but the public school system here is one of the best. Why? Because the parents are present and give a ***** Newsflash: the government sucks balls at pretty much everything they do. If you're relying on them for anything related to your children, you're a moron. Democrats are so stupid. Basic economics illustrates why the government is so awful at so many things, yet democrats continue to think it's the answer. It isn't.

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Why would any elementary school need to even discuss sexuality?

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They don't.

But groomers gonna groom.

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Why would any elementary school need to even discuss sexuality?

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They don't.

But groomers gonna groom.

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And grooming fans will undermine these efforts with misdirection instead of saying "fine - shouldn't change anything consequential and then we can get back to the business of improving things."

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https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/texas-bills-aim-to-eliminate-gender-identity-sexual-orientation-topics-in-the-classroom/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co

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HB 631, filed by House Rep. Steve Toth (R-The Woodlands), said discussions on sexual orientation and gender identity aren't allowed in the classroom from kindergarten through fifth grade. Meanwhile, HB 1155, filed by House Rep. Jared Patterson (R-Frisco), would restrict discussion of these topics from kindergarten through eighth grade.

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It's absurd this even needs to be a law.

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Anything to reduce groomers in schools and their ability to negatively affect children is a good thing.

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TXAGFAN said:

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C@LAg said:

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kids today can't read , use proper grammar or do math, but BY GOD!!!!!!! they know their pronouns and when to use them

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This post made in sarcasm speaks to how stupid the dialogue on this is. The fraction of teachers who step outside of bounds this law proposes are not the issue in Texas' education system, which ranks 34th (various measures for education all seem to place Texas in bottom half). In Florida I thought this legislation was a waste of time; but they're rated significantly higher at #3 in the same ranking I just looked at for Texas (US News and World Reports) so they may have some time to deal with smaller issues.

Embarrassing. State that says they care about kids does nothing meaningful to help them relative to other states.

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This sort of tripe will do nothing to improve the ranking of the education system.

Caring about kids includes protecting them from people who have an agenda that many don't feel has a place in a child's education.

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Wheres that bill that improves education in Texas? Was it just not posted on F16 today? I'll wait.

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The OP notes two that were introduced that, if passed, would improve education more than if nothing is done at all. This stuff needs to stay out of children's classrooms.

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one safe place said:

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C@LAg said:

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kids today can't read , use proper grammar or do math, but BY GOD!!!!!!! they know their pronouns and when to use them

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This post made in sarcasm speaks to how stupid the dialogue on this is. The fraction of teachers who step outside of bounds this law proposes are not the issue in Texas' education system, which ranks 34th (various measures for education all seem to place Texas in bottom half). In Florida I thought this legislation was a waste of time; but they're rated significantly higher at #3 in the same ranking I just looked at for Texas (US News and World Reports) so they may have some time to deal with smaller issues.

Embarrassing. State that says they care about kids does nothing meaningful to help them relative to other states.

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This sort of tripe will do nothing to improve the ranking of the education system.

Caring about kids includes protecting them from people who have an agenda that many don't feel has a place in a child's education.

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Wheres that bill that improves education in Texas? Was it just not posted on F16 today? I'll wait.

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The OP notes two that were introduced that, if passed, would improve education more than if nothing is done at all. This stuff needs to stay out of children's classrooms.

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Absolutely stay out of children's classroom's. Just hands off our kids.

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riverrataggie said:

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Nobody said nobody can be gay.

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So then a 6th grader can talk about being gay with their friends at school?

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User name does not check out

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https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/texas-bills-aim-to-eliminate-gender-identity-sexual-orientation-topics-in-the-classroom/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co

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HB 631, filed by House Rep. Steve Toth (R-The Woodlands), said discussions on sexual orientation and gender identity aren't allowed in the classroom from kindergarten through fifth grade. Meanwhile, HB 1155, filed by House Rep. Jared Patterson (R-Frisco), would restrict discussion of these topics from kindergarten through eighth grade.

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It's absurd this even needs to be a law.

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So it'll be Okay for them to become gay when they get to the 9th grade? Okay.

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It's not 'okay' to practice homosexuality or transsexualism or any of these deviant behaviors. At any age.

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C@LAg said:

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kids today can't read , use proper grammar or do math, but BY GOD!!!!!!! they know their pronouns and when to use them

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This post made in sarcasm speaks to how stupid the dialogue on this is. The fraction of teachers who step outside of bounds this law proposes are not the issue in Texas' education system, which ranks 34th (various measures for education all seem to place Texas in bottom half). In Florida I thought this legislation was a waste of time; but they're rated significantly higher at #3 in the same ranking I just looked at for Texas (US News and World Reports) so they may have some time to deal with smaller issues.

Embarrassing. State that says they care about kids does nothing meaningful to help them relative to other states.

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Horsesh1+!!!!

We have many more children of illegals to try and integrate than most other states which I am sure drags us down.

If we are not a moral people we are lost already no matter what deviants think.

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It's a sad statement on the state of our schools that this even needs to happen but glad they are moving on it. Better late than never.

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My old HS and college peers that have turned lib over the years would tell you on social media that this simply isn't happening and is all imagined by evil conservatives. And that republicans just hate gays.

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C@LAg said:

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kids today can't read , use proper grammar or do math, but BY GOD!!!!!!! they know their pronouns and when to use them

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This post made in sarcasm speaks to how stupid the dialogue on this is. The fraction of teachers who step outside of bounds this law proposes are not the issue in Texas' education system, which ranks 34th (various measures for education all seem to place Texas in bottom half). In Florida I thought this legislation was a waste of time; but they're rated significantly higher at #3 in the same ranking I just looked at for Texas (US News and World Reports) so they may have some time to deal with smaller issues.

Embarrassing. State that says they care about kids does nothing meaningful to help them relative to other states.

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Ok. Hate to break this to you but I will.

We share the longest border with a dysfunctional third world failed country of any state in the union.

We literally educate Mexico, Nicaragua, Honduras, Guatemala, and everyone else that comes across.

We are not comparable to any other state in that regard, not even California. Texas faces a unique and ultimately broken education system that can't be fixed in the current political climate (that you vote for).

My wife, who has spent her entire career in public education, was just telling me today about how brushing up on her spanish in recent months was really helping her help other teachers with the huge influx of third world kids in her school - direct result of the democrat sanctioned border disaster.

Measure Texas schools that are predominantly American native born and/or legal immigrant students (India) and we do just fine (outside the deep metro areas of a certain demo). In fact, we are quite competitive. The 10% rule is a boon to neighboring states and the southeast who offer in state college tuition for all those great Texas students that don't make the top 10% because their high school is just that competitive. Tennessee is currently courting my oldest son with scholarship offers (he's on the 10% bubble). My buddy's daughter just got a full ride academic to Bama (she's right at the 12% mark at Liberty Hill).

Don't be too embarrassed. Us good parents and the good educators we partner with are doing our best in an impossible situation but we'll be fine.

Urban Ag said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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C@LAg said:

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kids today can't read , use proper grammar or do math, but BY GOD!!!!!!! they know their pronouns and when to use them

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This post made in sarcasm speaks to how stupid the dialogue on this is. The fraction of teachers who step outside of bounds this law proposes are not the issue in Texas' education system, which ranks 34th (various measures for education all seem to place Texas in bottom half). In Florida I thought this legislation was a waste of time; but they're rated significantly higher at #3 in the same ranking I just looked at for Texas (US News and World Reports) so they may have some time to deal with smaller issues.

Embarrassing. State that says they care about kids does nothing meaningful to help them relative to other states.

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Ok. Hate to break this to you but I will.

We share the longest border with a dysfunctional third world failed country of any state in the union.

We literally educate Mexico, Nicaragua, Honduras, Guatemala, and everyone else that comes across.

We are not comparable to any other state in that regard, not even California. Texas faces a unique and ultimately broken education system that can't be fixed in the current political climate (that you vote for).

My wife, who has spent her entire career in public education, was just telling me today about how brushing up on her spanish in recent months was really helping her help other teachers with the huge influx of third world kids in her school - direct result of the democrat sanctioned border disaster.

Measure Texas schools that are predominantly American native born and/or legal immigrant students and we do just fine (outside the deep metro areas of a certain demo). In fact, we are quite competitive. The 10% rule is a boon to neighboring states and the southeast who offer in state college tuition for all those great Texas students that don't make the top 10% because their high school is just that competitive. Tennessee is currently courting my oldest son with scholarship offers (he's on the 10% bubble). My buddy's daughter just got a full ride academic to Bama (she's right at the 12% mark at Liberty Hill).

Don't be too embarrassed. Us good parents and the good educators we partner with are doing our best in an impossible situation but we'll be fine.

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All of those things can be true and so can my post that this is probably the only legislation that will get passed for education this session and deserves my assessment of being very low effort/impact re: our state's education.

Do you think this is the MOST important govt action for education our state needs? Does your wife?

The most important legislative action that is needed is the lock down, with the military if necessary, of THE BORDER. Until that happens, Texas public schools will remain at a massive disadvantage as compared to every other state in the union (sans NM, AZ, and CA). And even then, those three states don't face near the challenge we do.

But to answer your question more directly, my wife (the educator with two Masters) is absolutely 100% on board with this legislation. She's advocated for it openly. She's a middle school librarian. For the last few years she feels like she is constantly fighting this war between rightly concerned parents and the forces that be that just can't stop sexualizing young people. Every conference or convention she goes to is completely inundated with LGBT everything. It never stops. So yeah, she supports it. She's not against you dude. She has a sign on her library door that states she is an LGBT Ally. But it's too much for the grade levels she teaches. She wants it out of her school. Basic sex ed only. No grooming. Too young.

TXAGFAN said:

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Urban Ag said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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C@LAg said:

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kids today can't read , use proper grammar or do math, but BY GOD!!!!!!! they know their pronouns and when to use them

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This post made in sarcasm speaks to how stupid the dialogue on this is. The fraction of teachers who step outside of bounds this law proposes are not the issue in Texas' education system, which ranks 34th (various measures for education all seem to place Texas in bottom half). In Florida I thought this legislation was a waste of time; but they're rated significantly higher at #3 in the same ranking I just looked at for Texas (US News and World Reports) so they may have some time to deal with smaller issues.

Embarrassing. State that says they care about kids does nothing meaningful to help them relative to other states.

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Ok. Hate to break this to you but I will.

We share the longest border with a dysfunctional third world failed country of any state in the union.

We literally educate Mexico, Nicaragua, Honduras, Guatemala, and everyone else that comes across.

We are not comparable to any other state in that regard, not even California. Texas faces a unique and ultimately broken education system that can't be fixed in the current political climate (that you vote for).

My wife, who has spent her entire career in public education, was just telling me today about how brushing up on her spanish in recent months was really helping her help other teachers with the huge influx of third world kids in her school - direct result of the democrat sanctioned border disaster.

Measure Texas schools that are predominantly American native born and/or legal immigrant students and we do just fine (outside the deep metro areas of a certain demo). In fact, we are quite competitive. The 10% rule is a boon to neighboring states and the southeast who offer in state college tuition for all those great Texas students that don't make the top 10% because their high school is just that competitive. Tennessee is currently courting my oldest son with scholarship offers (he's on the 10% bubble). My buddy's daughter just got a full ride academic to Bama (she's right at the 12% mark at Liberty Hill).

Don't be too embarrassed. Us good parents and the good educators we partner with are doing our best in an impossible situation but we'll be fine.

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All of those things can be true and so can my post that this is probably the only legislation that will get passed for education this session and deserves my assessment of being very low effort/impact re: our state's education.

Do you think this is the MOST important govt action for education our state needs? Does your wife?

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Protecting kids from evil is always a top priority!

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riverrataggie said:

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Nobody said nobody can be gay.

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So then a 6th grader can talk about being gay with their friends at school?

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Quit being obtuse. It's clearly meant that teachers and administrators shouldn't be incorporating sexual orientation into curriculums and lectures at that level. Not restricting what kids talk about amongst themselves.

Only way to "fix" the system is to lock down the border and privatize. Socialized anything sucks, as we see with the current system.

This wouldn't be needed if stupid mother****ers weren't trying to groom kids in the first place.

TXAGFAN said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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C@LAg said:

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kids today can't read , use proper grammar or do math, but BY GOD!!!!!!! they know their pronouns and when to use them

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This post made in sarcasm speaks to how stupid the dialogue on this is. The fraction of teachers who step outside of bounds this law proposes are not the issue in Texas' education system, which ranks 34th (various measures for education all seem to place Texas in bottom half). In Florida I thought this legislation was a waste of time; but they're rated significantly higher at #3 in the same ranking I just looked at for Texas (US News and World Reports) so they may have some time to deal with smaller issues.

Embarrassing. State that says they care about kids does nothing meaningful to help them relative to other states.

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Ok. Hate to break this to you but I will.

We share the longest border with a dysfunctional third world failed country of any state in the union.

We literally educate Mexico, Nicaragua, Honduras, Guatemala, and everyone else that comes across.

We are not comparable to any other state in that regard, not even California. Texas faces a unique and ultimately broken education system that can't be fixed in the current political climate (that you vote for).

My wife, who has spent her entire career in public education, was just telling me today about how brushing up on her spanish in recent months was really helping her help other teachers with the huge influx of third world kids in her school - direct result of the democrat sanctioned border disaster.

Measure Texas schools that are predominantly American native born and/or legal immigrant students and we do just fine (outside the deep metro areas of a certain demo). In fact, we are quite competitive. The 10% rule is a boon to neighboring states and the southeast who offer in state college tuition for all those great Texas students that don't make the top 10% because their high school is just that competitive. Tennessee is currently courting my oldest son with scholarship offers (he's on the 10% bubble). My buddy's daughter just got a full ride academic to Bama (she's right at the 12% mark at Liberty Hill).

Don't be too embarrassed. Us good parents and the good educators we partner with are doing our best in an impossible situation but we'll be fine.

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All of those things can be true and so can my post that this is probably the only legislation that will get passed for education this session and deserves my assessment of being very low effort/impact re: our state's education.

Do you think this is the MOST important govt action for education our state needs? Does your wife?

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Doesn't make it not important. Stop trying to throw shame on people.

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kids today can't read , use proper grammar or do math, but BY GOD!!!!!!! they know their pronouns and when to use them

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And when to turn in their parents and what for.

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Nobody said nobody can be gay.

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So then a 6th grader can talk about being gay with their friends at school?

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Want to know how I know you just don't get it

It was never don't say gay.....but leftist media(dems).. Gaslight America again.

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https://www.kxan.com/news/texas/texas-bills-aim-to-eliminate-gender-identity-sexual-orientation-topics-in-the-classroom/?utm_campaign=socialflow&utm_medium=referral&utm_source=t.co

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HB 631, filed by House Rep. Steve Toth (R-The Woodlands), said discussions on sexual orientation and gender identity aren't allowed in the classroom from kindergarten through fifth grade. Meanwhile, HB 1155, filed by House Rep. Jared Patterson (R-Frisco), would restrict discussion of these topics from kindergarten through eighth grade.

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It's absurd this even needs to be a law.

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So it'll be Okay for them to become gay when they get to the 9th grade? Okay.

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Should be extended out till death

No Spin Ag said:

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riverrataggie said:

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Nobody said nobody can be gay.

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So then a 6th grader can talk about being gay with their friends at school?

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Not as part of a classroom discussion let by a teacher.

Leave the dirty talk for recess.

This will face opposition from LGBTQ+ crowd using the same tactics they have for 30 years, The entire strategy is based on 1) "we are born this way", 2) "heterosexuality is no more desirable than homosexuality" and 3) "if you think otherwise you are a bigot who is victimizing others".

In their 1989 book, After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the '90s, the gay authors wrote: "In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be portrayed as victims in need of protection so that straights will be inclined by reflex to adopt the role of protector. . . . The public should be persuaded that gays are victims of circumstance, that they no more chose their sexual orientation than they did, say, their height, skin color, talents, or limitations. . . . Gays should be portrayed as victims of prejudice."

To their credit, their planned propaganda campaign was very successful. Now it is time to roll it back.

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This will face opposition from LGBTQ+ crowd using the same tactics they have for 30 years, The entire strategy is based on 1) "we are born this way", 2) "heterosexuality is no more desirable than homosexuality" and 3) "if you think otherwise you are a bigot who is victimizing others".

In their 1989 book, After the Ball: How America Will Conquer Its Fear and Hatred of Gays in the '90s, the gay authors wrote: "In any campaign to win over the public, gays must be portrayed as victims in need of protection so that straights will be inclined by reflex to adopt the role of protector. . . . The public should be persuaded that gays are victims of circumstance, that they no more chose their sexual orientation than they did, say, their height, skin color, talents, or limitations. . . . Gays should be portrayed as victims of prejudice."

To their credit, their planned propaganda campaign was very successful. Now it is time to roll it back.

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The "we are born this way" narrative really takes a hit when you look at things like this:

Children aren't born gay, they are, by and large, recruited to the LGBTQ+. The statistics are clear. How else to explain Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. You may be born more or less masculine or feminine, but you aren't "born that way".

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11501300/

Why do kids that age need to discuss sexuality at all? I support this bill.

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Children aren't born gay, they are, by and large, recruited to the LGBTQ+. The statistics are clear. How else to explain Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. You may be born more or less masculine or feminine, but you aren't "born that way".

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11501300/

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This stat again and damaging and false premise that most gay men are molested. They weren't.

Get a new schtick and take your derail somewhere else. As a gay man I can't even fathom how people think you can be recruited into this or would choose this life.

Yeah, I've met gay people. There are some that there is no way they just "decided to be gay." Definitely born that way.

Also, there is no way I could ever be attracted to dudes.

TXAGFAN said:

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RWWilson said:

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Children aren't born gay, they are, by and large, recruited to the LGBTQ+. The statistics are clear. How else to explain Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. You may be born more or less masculine or feminine, but you aren't "born that way".

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11501300/

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This stat again and damaging and false premise that most gay men are molested. They weren't.

Get a new schtick and take your derail somewhere else. As a gay man I can't even fathom how people think you can be recruited into this or would choose this life.

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So are some people just born as puppy play gimps, or is that a desire that they choose and cultivate over time until they feel it is a part of their identity?

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Why do kids that age need to discuss sexuality at all? I support this bill.

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Because an increasing number of girls are getting their first period in 3rd or 4th grade.

They need to know that they can get pregnant now and how to avoid it.

Kvetch said:

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TXAGFAN said:

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Children aren't born gay, they are, by and large, recruited to the LGBTQ+. The statistics are clear. How else to explain Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. You may be born more or less masculine or feminine, but you aren't "born that way".

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11501300/

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This stat again and damaging and false premise that most gay men are molested. They weren't.

Get a new schtick and take your derail somewhere else. As a gay man I can't even fathom how people think you can be recruited into this or would choose this life.

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So are some people just born as puppy play gimps, or is that a desire that they choose and cultivate over time until they feel it is a part of their identity?

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Don't know what that is and I'm afraid to google it.

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GeorgiAg said:

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Why do kids that age need to discuss sexuality at all? I support this bill.

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Because an increasing number of girls are getting their first period in 3rd or 4th grade.

They need to know that they can get pregnant now and how to avoid it.

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Well, I can tell you that pregnancy is not a result of homosexual activity so still no need for talk about sexuality. If you want to express the biological process for reproduction, fine. Although that's the job of the parents.

The second desire enters the equation, you've gone too far.

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TXAGFAN said:

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RWWilson said:

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Children aren't born gay, they are, by and large, recruited to the LGBTQ+. The statistics are clear. How else to explain Forty-six percent of the homosexual men in contrast to 7% of the heterosexual men reported homosexual molestation. You may be born more or less masculine or feminine, but you aren't "born that way".

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/11501300/

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This stat again and damaging and false premise that most gay men are molested. They weren't.

Get a new schtick and take your derail somewhere else. As a gay man I can't even fathom how people think you can be recruited into this or would choose this life.

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So are some people just born as puppy play gimps, or is that a desire that they choose and cultivate over time until they feel it is a part of their identity?

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Don't know what that is and I'm afraid to google it.

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You haven't seen our current nuclear waste kleptomaniac?

In this thread alone you've thrown victim cards, you've maligned other posters, you've derailed the topic, you've accused others of bigotry, you've waffled on your actual position, and you've thread spamming to try to avoid supporters of legislation from having a reasoned discussion.

No matter what you feel - you don't present yourself as a stable or respectful poster. And that's even WITH mod cleanups in your corner.

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GeorgiAg said:

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Why do kids that age need to discuss sexuality at all? I support this bill.

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Because an increasing number of girls are getting their first period in 3rd or 4th grade.

They need to know that they can get pregnant now and how to avoid it.

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Ok. I remember girls getting periods in 7th and 8th. I guess I'm old (and a dude) so what do I know? I think they can discuss biology/reproduction. Going in to homosexuality has nothing to do with why women menstruate.

I remember my parents leaving "books" with my encyclopedia set when I was in 3rd or 4th grade so I guess that's fair.