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I wish the two people I know under the age of 48 who died of COVID in College Station and did not get vaccinated were here to discuss this.

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Look at me look at me .. I like to troll with my non Ag tag

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were those two people models of health, or obese like the 80% of covid 'deaths'?

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I got the first two rounds of the vaccine, but refused boosters…

I'm 68 with previous heart condition… Never really been afraid of death… Figured when the Lord was ready for me, etc….

That documentary SCARED THE PANTS OFF ME…

It was also so sad, watching the people just die of stroke out of the blue, caught on public cam…

They all died in the same fashion… Heart Breaking…

If the producers of that show are using cinematic tricks to scare us… May they rot in hell…

If this turns out to be legit, may Fauci and Gates rot in the same place…

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I haven't watched the movie, but is there a time frame after the vax that people are dying? I'm 57 and got the two original vax's back in January 2021. Never boosted. I haven't had any issues but wondering at what point out from the vax are people having problems?

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From what I've read, 5 months is about the time that most of these events occur. Now that you're 2 years out, I'm sure you're okay.

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Then find another channel b/c they're out there. Just about every other commercial along e/ the folks trying to make Jesus into a refugee/immigrant.

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I'll need to try another city.

Out here in LA, all my English Language commercials for for "Prep" and pressing play and making sure that your HIV status is undetectable.

Also, I'm still thoroughly confused about this Jesus was a refugee situation.

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It's a commercial.

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It is unbiblical to support illegal immigration and the comparison of the infant Jesus, who was being hunted down by a tyrant king, to illegal aliens willingly breaking our laws is laughable.

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To say nothing of the fact that Mary and Joseph weren't trafficking fentanyl, sex trafficking, or entering Egypt with the intent to blow up the pyramids.

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They were also there to be counted in a census and RETURN HOME afterwards.

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I love this logic:

It was commotio cordis that caused an NFL player's cardiac arrest. It is rare but it happens.

Despite NFL playing since 1920s with ever increasing safety protocols and enhanced safety gear and sport medicine & physiology knowledge.

It could never be a complication from a vaccine that the entire NFL, down to the janitor crew, were forced to take.

This is why people have lost faith in so much of today's experts.

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Both sides of this argument need to shut the hell up until they have some evidence. It does not change a single thing to devolve this into an argument about vaccines so that you can say "I told you so" if your side ends up being correct in this specific case.

As someone who is unvaccinated, highly against "vaccines," and watched what happened, I have absolutely no idea what caused his heart to stop. Neither do you. Commotio cordis makes sense based on my limited knowledge. However, nobody will know until definitive test results are released. Just pray for the guy and wait for news.

ETA: my comments are not specifically directed at fixer. His comment just spurred my thoughts.

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This. After watching a brief video of doctor explaining it (below). I am convinced that this is likely what happened...basically a "getting struck by lightning" or "winning the lotto" type event in terms of odds where you receive blunt force to the chest within a very precise moment or "window" in your heart's electrical cycle, throwing it completely out of rhythm. Apparently, it has happened from people being punched in the chest and has happened to soccer players and is more related to the timing of the hit than the severity.

Not saying 0% chance this one if vaccine related, he could have had an underlying condition from the vax I guess, but the timing of it, right after a hit suggests something else to me. If he was just standing around on the sidelines or walking out on the field and it happened, i would 99% suspect the vax.

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As I pointed out in another thread, those of you that feel like the vaccine only harms people and doesn't save lives will get to test that theory in China right now. Where less than a quarter of elderly people have received a vaccine. And that vaccine is generally considered not very effective.

So there's your experiment.

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We dont need an "experiment" we already have the worldwide data on the morality rate for the virus. Its not deadly for anyone under 70, and really not for anyone that has no other issues.

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Well...they couldn't have gotten vaccinated since there is no actual vaccination...sooo

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Vaccine was not needed anyway, look at these numbers:

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Recommending the vaccine for healthy people under 30 is completely insane

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Especially since 6-10 years of safety data was skipped for "war speed", aka make Pfizer/Fauci/Congress rich.

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I got the first two rounds of the vaccine, but refused boosters…

I'm 68 with previous heart condition… Never really been afraid of death… Figured when the Lord was ready for me, etc….

That documentary SCARED THE PANTS OFF ME…

It was also so sad, watching the people just die of stroke out of the blue, caught on public cam…

They all died in the same fashion… Heart Breaking…

If the producers of that show are using cinematic tricks to scare us… May they rot in hell…

If this turns out to be legit, may Fauci and Gates rot in the same place…

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I haven't watched the movie, but is there a time frame after the vax that people are dying? I'm 57 and got the two original vax's back in January 2021. Never boosted. I haven't had any issues but wondering at what point out from the vax are people having problems?

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From what I've read, 5 months is about the time that most of these events occur. Note that you're 2 years out, I'm sure you're okay.

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Also, I wouldn't worry about it or feel guilty about the decision to vax

1. We don't know for sure it is the vax
2. You made the decision you thought was best at the time

What we all should be furious about is if the information we were given was incomplete and manipulated by the pro vax side

And that govt, through OSHA, mandated what we should put in our bodies

This should never be allowed to happen again

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There is no IF, we know it was incomplete and manipulated. One lady in the Moderna trail developed cancer but that info was not included, she and her doctor are suing.

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No, your blanket statement that heart disease was the number 1 cause of death was intended to be misleading in the context of this thread. Of course natural heart disease deaths are going to far outnumber vaxed related deaths, but that doesn't mean that vax deaths should be trivialized, which is what you are attempting to do.

ETA: Also, look at the numbers. The VAST majority of heart disease deaths are over 65. The number of young people dying from heart disease is extremely rare even when it comes in 3 or 4th place behind suicides, accidents, etc.

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how can a simple fact be misleading? who is trivializing anything?

there's a prevailing opinion right now on this forum that any and all heart related deaths are caused by the vaccine. the point remains that of natural causes heart disease is number one or number two for basically all ages past childhood, and has been for a long time. the assumption that every heart related death is from the vaccine is ridiculous.

I agree that young people dying from heart disease is rare. The fact remains young people dying from any natural cause is rare, but heart disease and cancer are basically the reasons young people die.

So here's the real question: if heart disease deaths are extremely rare, how rare are "vax deaths"? You haven't given any numbers. how many is it?

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Lol, that claim is unsubstantiated at best. People are questioning heart related deaths, but I don't think we are anywhere close to a prevailing opinion that all heart related deaths are from vaxxing.

As to the last paragraph, stay tuned. The picture isn't clear because there is a discernable push to hide the numbers. Studies are slowly coming out though. The answer to your "real question" is that vax deaths are less rare than it was prior to vaxxing. The magnitude is yet to be determined, but the answer is >1. Regardless of the number, this is a tragedy considering how this "vaccine" was pushed, promoted, and forced on the public through misguided (at best and maliciously evil at worst) policy.

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I wish the two people I know under the age of 48 who died of COVID in College Station and did not get vaccinated were here to discuss this.

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We all will die of something in the world as well as you and there is nothing you're gonna be able to do to get away with it you can be vaccinated every hour on the hour and you will still eventually die

in other words, the answer to "how many is it" is you have no idea but you think at least one. got it.

So you don't care how many people die from vax death unless the number rivals cancer. Got it.

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I agree that young people dying from heart disease is rare. The fact remains young people dying from any natural cause is rare, but heart disease and cancer are basically the reasons young people die.

So here's the real question: if heart disease deaths are extremely rare, how rare are "vax deaths"? You haven't given any numbers. how many is it?

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everyone i know got the covid vaccine, and none of them have died suddenly

i'm left with no option but to conclude that the vaccine has inoculated my circles against sudden death. thank you fauci!

where did i say or even imply that? be specific.

my argument is pretty simple. in all age groups above 13 heart disease is #1 or #2 cause of death excluding accidents, suicide, and murder and has been for a long time before the vaccines. so when young people die of heart-related incidents, the presumption shouldn't be that it is vaccine related.

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Odd……..nobody who ever uses the "Jesus was a refugee" defense will ever describe the immigration laws of that time period.

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Jesus was a Roman subject at the time and moved from one part of the Roman empire to another to avoid a local tyrant. Sorta like people moving from California to Arizona.

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The more I read the Bible the more I realize the human race has not changed in 2000 years. Sadly a large portion of our population has not improved morally in 2000 years

They still murder their offspring for immediate gratification and to ease their burdens

They still worship false idols (fauci, Gaia, self)

They still cry out for a King and avoid free will and personal responsibility (Socialism)

Others still look to rule and infringe on others free will because they know better (Socialism)

I pray that, as a society, we accept God's word and embrace free will and personal responsibility

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Indeed, nothing new under the sun. The Bible nailed that one down quite well.

Where are people presuming it is? Looking back on this thread, the best you can say is that people question it. Again you exaggerate in order to trivialize the interest people on this thread have about vax deaths.

Are you a vax-death denier? Sounds like it. If you admit that vax-deaths do exist, then it is only a question of the magnitude of the problem. People on this thread are appropriately discussing this very thing. You place the burden on me to provide numbers of vax deaths which you know I cannot do, but you are also unable to provide vax death numbers which may conceal an alarming number. Yet, you choose to trivialize the matter instead of admitting that people should be questioning these events in order to learn the truth, especially with the fact that this was all sold under the guise of a lie which SHOULD make you more curious.

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As I pointed out in another thread, those of you that feel like the vaccine only harms people and doesn't save lives will get to test that theory in China right now. Where less than a quarter of elderly people have received a vaccine. And that vaccine is generally considered not very effective.

So there's your experiment.

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Good lil commie you are to trust info coming out of that country!

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fullback44 said:

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I wish the two people I know under the age of 48 who died of COVID in College Station and did not get vaccinated were here to discuss this.

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Look at me look at me .. I like to troll with my non Ag tag

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were those two people models of health, or obese like the 80% of covid 'deaths'?

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Disclaimer: I don't know this family, I just googled some articles. There has been no attempt to validate when each of these photos are taken, but it is obvious on line there are some more current and some much older out there.

Another pic to follow

sorry friend, i say presume because of the numerous threads and posts on a daily basis about it on this forum. mods had to start banning people on the premium board because a guy hits the ground in a football game and before he's in the hospital people are speculating that is vaccine related.
edit: top post of the forum right now... https://texags.com/forums/16/topics/3353563

your argument is that the vaccines is causing deaths. it's not my responsibility to prove your point. you can't provide numbers of vaccine related deaths, so what exactly are we talking about here? how can we even have a discussion when you're essentially presenting an unsupported opinion?

am i a vax-death denier? what does that mean? that's a new term to me. if you're asking me if one person in the world has died from mRNA vaccines, i'd give that a high chance of yes if only because of the huge number of people who have received these vaccines. all vaccines - all medicines - have side effects that are sometimes fatal.

the flu vaccine, for example, reduces flu related hospitalization in the elderly by around 50%, and is also around 50% effective at preventing flu in the elderly. however, it is a fact that flu vaccinations can and do cause deaths. anaphylaxis happens at a rate of about 2 per million but is usually not fatal. Guillan-Barre syndrome has a risk of around 1 cases per million vaccine doses, and some 5% of Guillan-Barre cases are fatal. Given that there are ~180 million flu doses given per year that means there are probably single digit cases of fatal Guillan-Barre associated with it.

it would be surprising if there were zero fatalities associated with the mRNA vaccines. that fact alone also doesn't mean much of anything.

"may conceal an alarming number" is the same as "may not" since you have no evidence whatever other than your completely unsupported opinion.

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Then find another channel b/c they're out there. Just about every other commercial along e/ the folks trying to make Jesus into a refugee/immigrant.

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I'll need to try another city.

Out here in LA, all my English Language commercials for for "Prep" and pressing play and making sure that your HIV status is undetectable.

Also, I'm still thoroughly confused about this Jesus was a refugee situation.

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It's a commercial.

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Odd……..nobody who ever uses the "Jesus was a refugee" defense will ever describe the immigration laws of that time period.

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Yeah, the government MADE them go to Bethlehem to be counted and taxed. Seems a bit different than people coming in illegally.

not defending the comparison at all, but I believe the refugee term isn't talking about Joseph going to Bethlehem but the flight to Egypt from Herod's murder of the innocents.

That is a nice Crappie.

I have never seen a NFL football player get up after a typical play, take a step, then drop with heart stopping ...till last night on Monday Night Football.

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Then find another channel b/c they're out there. Just about every other commercial along e/ the folks trying to make Jesus into a refugee/immigrant.

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I'll need to try another city.

Out here in LA, all my English Language commercials for for "Prep" and pressing play and making sure that your HIV status is undetectable.

Also, I'm still thoroughly confused about this Jesus was a refugee situation.

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It's a commercial.

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Odd……..nobody who ever uses the "Jesus was a refugee" defense will ever describe the immigration laws of that time period.

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Yeah, the government MADE them go to Bethlehem to be counted and taxed. Seems a bit different than people coming in illegally.

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Then Mary and Joseph took Jesus, fled to Egypt and lived there for several years, due to the king killing all boys aged 2 and under, after hearing from the wise men about the birth of the Messiah. They were refugees in Egypt, to escape death threats by the local king who felt threatened by the birth of a messiah. After the emperor died, they moved back to Nazareth, Israel.

https://urfootball.com/soccer-players-who-died-on-the-field/

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Soccer players who died on the field: Footballers who died on the pitch

CHETHAN HC OCTOBER 27, 2022

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Then find another channel b/c they're out there. Just about every other commercial along e/ the folks trying to make Jesus into a refugee/immigrant.

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I'll need to try another city.

Out here in LA, all my English Language commercials for for "Prep" and pressing play and making sure that your HIV status is undetectable.

Also, I'm still thoroughly confused about this Jesus was a refugee situation.

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It's a commercial.

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Odd……..nobody who ever uses the "Jesus was a refugee" defense will ever describe the immigration laws of that time period.

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Yeah, the government MADE them go to Bethlehem to be counted and taxed. Seems a bit different than people coming in illegally.

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Then Mary and Joseph took Jesus, fled to Egypt and lived there for several years, due to the king killing all boys aged 2 and under, after hearing from the wise men about the birth of the Messiah. They were refugees in Egypt, to escape death threats by the local king who felt threatened by the birth of a messiah. After the emperor died, they moved back to Nazareth, Israel.

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Which is still completely different than illegal aliens coming here.

Always funny when you leftists try to use the Bible to support your positions; and show that you've never actually read it.

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Then find another channel b/c they're out there. Just about every other commercial along e/ the folks trying to make Jesus into a refugee/immigrant.

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I'll need to try another city.

Out here in LA, all my English Language commercials for for "Prep" and pressing play and making sure that your HIV status is undetectable.

Also, I'm still thoroughly confused about this Jesus was a refugee situation.

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It's a commercial.

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Odd……..nobody who ever uses the "Jesus was a refugee" defense will ever describe the immigration laws of that time period.

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Yeah, the government MADE them go to Bethlehem to be counted and taxed. Seems a bit different than people coming in illegally.

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Then Mary and Joseph took Jesus, fled to Egypt and lived there for several years, due to the king killing all boys aged 2 and under, after hearing from the wise men about the birth of the Messiah. They were refugees in Egypt, to escape death threats by the local king who felt threatened by the birth of a messiah. After the emperor died, they moved back to Nazareth, Israel.

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I see, so from Rome to ... another part of Rome, and I am not aware of any law against it, so still a weak attempt from those who support illegal immigration for some unfathomable reason.

You don't have to suspect Remdesivir, we already know it leads to Renal failure.

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You don't have to suspect Remdesivir, we already know it leads to Renal failure.

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I was being charitable...

I too have strong suspicions about your last case.

I absolutely HATE not having stronger proof, which would support your hypothesis. However, enough information HAS been studied and written about to back some of the circumstantial evidence.

We have suspected interference in covid deaths reported (although I believe the CDC DID release a statement over 6 months ago stating they inflated the numbers), a supposed vaccine that won't be effectively tested by the FDA until April of this year, at the earliest, and now every person who has a stroke, heart attack, myocarditis, etc.automatically arouses suspicion by me, and rightly so.

Like Panzer said two weeks ago, it doesn't mean these folks died from the vaccine, but between the pharmas and government either flat out lying (100% effective), or lying by omission, anyone who can think critically should be asking questions.

This topic is easy to obfuscate because genuinely good information has either been censored, or the science can be extremely difficult to understand. I still have issues with spike proteins.

I haven't seen the movie, but am 100% in line with the OP. I learned long ago from Thomas Sowell, it's not the study necessarily, it's who does the study and what was used. I'm not educated enough about science to know the answer to these questions I have.

I do love this thread because (for the most part) we have good posters responding with good answers.