AgGrad99 said:

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I'll say this....

This should NOT be a R vs D thing. If you're falling into that trap, you are perpetuating the problem.

This isn't about 2020. This isn't about Trump, it isn't about Biden. Please think outside of that box.

This is about our country, and insuring that all elections are fair, going forward, and that our vote actually matters. We dont have a representative republic, if we're not represented.

No matter the extent you think there is incompetence/fraud, I think we can all agree that our elections need to be buttoned up. It's behooves us all to make these as secure and accurate as humanely possible, and that all vote counts are above reproach.

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See, that's where I think you're wrong. I don't think the left cares if there was cheating or fraud, as long as they won.

texsn95 said:

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So what was the verdict on that "busted pipe" in Georgia?

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We need this guy at all ballot counting locations:

BluHorseShu said:

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Rapier108 said:

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The thread title alone is enough to know the OP is not serious about a discussion regarding the 2020 election.

Toss in his post about Trump selling nuclear secrets to the Saudis and its obvious what the real intention is.

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Probably likely…but it's the same as every post that begins with 'Honest question for liberals here…' Does anyone actually believe the intent is sincere? Broaching anything resembling a contradiction to the prevailing opinions here is either attacked or just assumed to be insincere. The only integrity on F16 lies in the consensus of how the majority defined it

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In other words, "I don't like it when the big F16 meanies make me support my claims with logic, reason, and evidence!"

I take Joe Biden at his word:

I saw one reply that alluded to it, but I think what turned people from "questioner" to "denier" is the post election behavior of Democrats and politicians.

When the response to "this seems weird" is basically "go get your shine box," then people are going to get angry.

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See, that's where I think you're wrong. I don't think the left cares if there was cheating or fraud, as long as they won.

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That doesnt make what I said wrong. In fact, it bolsters my point.

Im not talking about 2020, and Im not commenting on if anyone in particular cares about that one election or not. I'm commenting on why everyone SHOULD care about election impropriety.

Again, it's not about 2020. Because they might be happy about the outcome from this past election, but it can easily go the other way in the future.

It should concern us all.

Hungry Ojos said:

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AgGrad99 said:

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I'll say this....

This should NOT be a R vs D thing. If you're falling into that trap, you are perpetuating the problem.

This isn't about 2020. This isn't about Trump, it isn't about Biden. Please think outside of that box.

This is about our country, and insuring that all elections are fair, going forward, and that our vote actually matters. We dont have a representative republic, if we're not represented.

No matter the extent you think there is incompetence/fraud, I think we can all agree that our elections need to be buttoned up. It's behooves us all to make these as secure and accurate as humanely possible, and that all vote counts are above reproach.

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See, that's where I think you're wrong. I don't think the left cares if there was cheating or fraud, as long as they won.

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They don't. My Democrat friends have all ultimately admitted that. Trump losing is all that mattered; doesn't matter how as long as it happened legal or otherwise.

Continued efforts by Dems and the media we are witnessing right now in August of 2022 obviously confirm that.

I won't deny election results, but you're a fool and inconsistent if you don't have concerns. A leftists dumped a half a billion dollars into highly targeted blue districts in swing states. The "grant" money was ear marked for specific things, some traditional such as advertising for higher participation, but most directed at remote voting capacity and ease. This was hailed by the national media as necessary to save the election because the 2020 election was by all accounts quite unique due to covid and folks, especially in blue areas, being afraid or unable to venture out as free people. We just did not have funding and resources in place to handle that. OK. Reasonable logic, although the targeting was clearly biased and probably not something that public election offices should be involved with. Still, let's say that is OK to move the conversation along.

What you have to ask - if we did not have the resources or funding to effectively manage remote voting without outside interference (and practically all major media pushed this angle), then how can you possibly feel secure about the policing of that new form of election (practically no major media admitted to this)? No billionaires came along to donate to that. That was a wild west of an election and no one should feel great about how secure the non traditional remote voting results were one way or the other.

Have we done anything to address this new style of election policing? Not that I have read.

LeonardSkinner said:

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I saw one reply that alluded to it, but I think what turned people from "questioner" to "denier" is the post election behavior of Democrats and politicians.

When the response to "this seems weird" is basically "go get your shine box," then people are going to get angry.

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It doesn't help when BigTech deletes references, blogs, and even CNN studies about voter fraud and voting machines from even the era before the corrupt Obama period when it could have nothing to do with Trump, and everything to do with the integrity of the machhine companies.

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Houstonag said:

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Targeted in critical swing states was the strategy as others have stated. The Georgia vote was critical and ballot box stuffing with mail in ballots that were filled out by people other than the intended voter was the key to those races. Zuckerberg money funded ballot harvesting in 5 key states. Could they guarantee the results? No, but it worked.

A key point is the truck loaded wiht prefilled out ballots for Biden that originated in NY and made its way to suburbs in Penn. Where was the FBI? There was much fraud the swamp and JD just ignored it and the SC court did not want to get involved. Cowards. America has been damaged and lives lost due to the Biden administration.

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The FBI was planning the next string of false flag events against DJT and conservatives.

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The FBI probably provided a non-uniformed escort for the truck, to ensure no local cops messed around with the schedule/contents/operation. Not a joke.

Artorias said:

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As soon as you explain these...

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is it me or is it weird that liberals always want you to explain how They cheated?

Pooh-ah95_ESL said:

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Hillary's response to her losing the presidential election, and the campaigning effort of Hillary and Biden tell most everything they need to know. The empty halls and "covid cirlces" to make it appear that the events were not so empty is very telling.

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Remember Hillary's "do not concede" admonition to Biden. Whatever the results - do not concede.

AggieCo2023 said:

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I know most of you strongly disagree with me but I'm actually curious and wanted y'all's opinion.

1. If the Democratic Party is so powerful and rife with corruption to the point they were able to "create" 81 million votes, why do they only use this power on selective occasions. Why did they elect to lose house seats in 2020, keep a tie in the senate, and lose most state wide elections such as Governors. If they're able to defraud their way to victory with ease why not do it more often?

2. I also hear many people on here complain on how all the institutions are overrun with liberals from the schools to the colleges to Big Business to the government. Y'all say the highly populated cities are packed with ignorant liberals. My question is if you believe there are so many liberals in every position of power and in the major cities why would it be a surprise that Democrats get a lot of votes for the Presidency?

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1. You are viewing the fact that more localized down-ballot elections didn't go the way of the Democrats as evidence that they couldn't have cheated at all, because they would have cheated all over. A rational person would view the more localized down-ballot elections going the way of Republicans as evidence that the Democrats cheated in the national Presidential race. Bias comes into play here. Also, they didnt create 81 million votes. They create a total of a couple hundred thousand over 4-5 states.

2. This perception isn't really a numbers issue. It's a noise issue. Liberals make a WHOLE LOT more noise. They are WAY more vocal and aggressive. I'm not sure that on a national scale Democrats have the numbers. I'm pretty sure they don't, atleast not now.

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LeonardSkinner said:

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I saw one reply that alluded to it, but I think what turned people from "questioner" to "denier" is the post election behavior of Democrats and politicians.

When the response to "this seems weird" is basically "go get your shine box," then people are going to get angry.

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It doesn't help when BigTech deletes references, blogs, and even CNN studies about voter fraud and voting machines from even the era before the corrupt Obama period when it could have nothing to do with Trump, and everything to do with the integrity of the machhine companies.

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It was the Dems that were most concerned about election integrity with Carolyn Maloney in the House and Klobuchar in the Senate leading the way. They were particularly concerned with how Dominion got to be such a big player so quickly, mostly by courtesy of the Holder DOJ and then by Dominion's questionable acquisition of Sequoia Voting, a foreign owned company under a CFIUS review at Klobuchar's demand.

AggieCo2023 said:

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I know most of you strongly disagree with me but I'm actually curious and wanted y'all's opinion.

1. If the Democratic Party is so powerful and rife with corruption to the point they were able to "create" 81 million votes, why do they only use this power on selective occasions. Why did they elect to lose house seats in 2020, keep a tie in the senate, and lose most state wide elections such as Governors. If they're able to defraud their way to victory with ease why not do it more often?

2. I also hear many people on here complain on how all the institutions are overrun with liberals from the schools to the colleges to Big Business to the government. Y'all say the highly populated cities are packed with ignorant liberals. My question is if you believe there are so many liberals in every position of power and in the major cities why would it be a surprise that Democrats get a lot of votes for the Presidency?

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1) I know you think we're dumb because you put "create" in quotes. So here ya go, it's not about "creating" votes. It's about changing rules at the last minute, under the guise of public health concern, to promote voting amongst the types who vote D every time.

It wasn't some well orchestrated scheme designed to create a perfect outcome. It was a hail mary and it worked in some ways, not in others.

2) Seriously? Man you really do think we're all sub-100 IQ.

No one is surprised Democrats get a lot of votes from high population areas and only the simple are surprised by math. Every group has their dummies so don't be so smug.

We like making fun of the "81M" because it's just so freaking hilarious that THAT many people wanted what we are dealing with right now.

texsn95 said:

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So what was the verdict on that "busted pipe" in Georgia?

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No evidence of a repair was ever made public. It was down graded to an issue with a urinal if I remember correctly.

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cevans_40 said:

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100% for a specific candidate.


Totally plausible

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citation needed

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Common sense tells you it is statistically improbable, bordering impossible. No citations needed.

Htownag11 said:

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Orchestrating the fraud undetected in every district in the US would be impossible.

On the other hand, 5 heavily blue population centers in a single major counting location in swing states....

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That makes no sense. If they are heavily BLUE districts then why would they swing RED?

The fraud also has the impossible cover-up with all the evidence that the election commissions have released that counter the notions of a cover-up.

aggiehawg said:

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titan said:

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LeonardSkinner said:

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I saw one reply that alluded to it, but I think what turned people from "questioner" to "denier" is the post election behavior of Democrats and politicians.

When the response to "this seems weird" is basically "go get your shine box," then people are going to get angry.

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It doesn't help when BigTech deletes references, blogs, and even CNN studies about voter fraud and voting machines from even the era before the corrupt Obama period when it could have nothing to do with Trump, and everything to do with the integrity of the machhine companies.

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It was the Dems that were most concerned about election integrity with Carolyn Maloney in the House and Klobuchar in the Senate leading the way. They were particularly concerned with how Dominion got to be such a big player so quickly, mostly by courtesy of the Holder DOJ and then by Dominion's questionable acquisition of Sequoia Voting, a foreign owned company under a CFIUS review at Klobuchar's demand.

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This doesn't surprise. Have actually heard favorable things about Klobuchar, enough to suggest she may simply be a 20th C Democrat and definitely pre Obama/HRC Democrat, with what that implies (mostly favorable).

And you have sold me pretty much that Kerry probably won 2004. So the Dems would have reason to be worried about precedent.

Malibu2 said:

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Ohio had the mail in ballots received before Election Day ready to count. Biden jumped out to an 8 point lead. He lost by 8 points when Election Day ballots were counted.

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This makes those graphs even harder to explain instead of easier. That means mail in ballots were Biden 54%, Trump 46% in Ohio. This puts a kink in the claim that overwhelming numbers of mail in votes were for Biden, which led to that huge bump seen in those graphs in other states.

This goes back to the poster that questioned how Trump could be so hated by mail in voters in WI or PA, but not in Ohio or Florida. And it is a valid question that has not been adequately addressed except by those that assume something out of the ordinary was taking place. Like it or not, that is as valid (and likely) an assumption as any other.

Red Dane said:

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I won't deny election results, but you're a fool and inconsistent if you don't have concerns. A leftists ILLEGALLY dumped a half a billion dollars into highly targeted blue districts in swing states. The "grant" money was ear marked for specific things, some traditional such as advertising for higher participation, but most directed at remote voting capacity and ease. This was hailed by the national media as necessary to save the election because the 2020 election was by all accounts quite unique due to covid and folks, especially in blue areas, being afraid or unable to venture out as free people.

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FIFY. What was done is prohibited by law.

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Htownag11 said:

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Orchestrating the fraud undetected in every district in the US would be impossible.

On the other hand, 5 heavily blue population centers in a single major counting location in swing states....

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That makes no sense. If they are heavily BLUE districts then why would they swing RED?

The fraud also has the impossible cover-up with all the evidence that the election commissions have released that counter the notions of a cover-up.

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You can't answer that question yourself?

Think.

Cheating so obvious it can't be proved.
Remember, this whole cheating "scandal" was based on ridiculous claims by Sidney "no reasonable person would believe me" Powell, Linn Wood, and the my pillow guy. A bunch of fraudsters. Y'all got duped.

Trumps own AG even said there was not election fraud.

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Cheating so obvious it can't be proved.

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Having to navigate the ignorance and corruption in your party makes it difficult and time consuming.

No one is above the law, right?

You aren't smart enough to understand how dumb you sound.

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texsn95 said:

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So what was the verdict on that "busted pipe" in Georgia?

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No evidence of a repair was ever made public. It was down graded to an issue with a urinal if I remember correctly.

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It was just a leaking urinal, not a busted pipe (in other words, a wrench was needed). That it then was used to throw a wrench into the election is a metaphor I've not seen used often enough.

Also, yes, the globalists/leftists were open and transparent about using covid as an excuse to move forward with their 'reset.'

It isn’t a conspiracy theory. It’s an Agenda.

Hold.your.line. 🔥 pic.twitter.com/6yOAOe8zrf

— Bernie's Tweets (@BernieSpofforth) August 12, 2022

I am not sure why people think Klaus was lying about this.

1876er said:

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Cheating so obvious it can't be proved.

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See, this is just lazy posting and really serves no purpose. By design, there is no way to tie a ballot to a person after it has been submitted and tabulated. So there really is no way to go back and prove that a person's ballot was submitted or tabulated correctly. So yes, there is no way to "prove" it definitively after the fact. But that doesn't mean you can't use your brain, look at anomalies, and weird results and draw some conclusions to what may have happened.

And because it cannot be proven due to our anonymous election procedures does not mean it did not happen. Doesn't mean it did either. Wise people can consider both options.

AggieCo2023 said:

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I know most of you strongly disagree with me but I'm actually curious and wanted y'all's opinion.

1. If the Democratic Party is so powerful and rife with corruption to the point they were able to "create" 81 million votes, why do they only use this power on selective occasions. Why did they elect to lose house seats in 2020, keep a tie in the senate, and lose most state wide elections such as Governors. If they're able to defraud their way to victory with ease why not do it more often?

2. I also hear many people on here complain on how all the institutions are overrun with liberals from the schools to the colleges to Big Business to the government. Y'all say the highly populated cities are packed with ignorant liberals. My question is if you believe there are so many liberals in every position of power and in the major cities why would it be a surprise that Democrats get a lot of votes for the Presidency?

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Bc they needed a virus threat to change state voting laws to allow fraudulent mail in ballots. Every country that allows mail in ballots (outside of sequestered) has constant fraud cases.

The fact that some states blanket distributed and used a ****ing signature for verification is embarrassing.

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1876er said:

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Cheating so obvious it can't be proved.

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See, this is just lazy posting and really serves no purpose. By design, there is no way to tie a ballot to a person after it has been submitted and tabulated. So there really is no way to go back and prove that a person's ballot was submitted or tabulated correctly. So yes, there is no way to "prove" it definitively after the fact. But that doesn't mean you can't use your brain, look at anomalies, and weird results and draw some conclusions to what may have happened.

And because it cannot be proven due to our anonymous election procedures does not mean it did not happen. Doesn't mean it did either. Wise people can consider both options.

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But that's just it, people have proven those anomalies and weird results were not anomalies or weird results at all.

Then you need to consider the impracticality of the overarching claim that 'Trump would have been the winner if he had won these districts in these key states' when those districts wound not have gotten him to 270.

"Election Denier" and "Science Denier" are terms meant to discredit someone before even engaging them. They are terms to project false assumptions and mislabel people.

People who use those terms show their level of insecurity in honest debate.

Another example where the present problems today trace to either: politicians, press, or professors.

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Stinky T said:

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1876er said:

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Cheating so obvious it can't be proved.

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See, this is just lazy posting and really serves no purpose. By design, there is no way to tie a ballot to a person after it has been submitted and tabulated. So there really is no way to go back and prove that a person's ballot was submitted or tabulated correctly. So yes, there is no way to "prove" it definitively after the fact. But that doesn't mean you can't use your brain, look at anomalies, and weird results and draw some conclusions to what may have happened.

And because it cannot be proven due to our anonymous election procedures does not mean it did not happen. Doesn't mean it did either. Wise people can consider both options.

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But that's just it, people have proven those anomalies and weird results were not anomalies or weird results at all.

Then you need to consider the impracticality of the overarching claim that 'Trump would have been the winner if he had won these districts in these key states' when those districts wound not have gotten him to 270.

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You should consider the statistical impracticality of these events when it's Joe Biden. No campaign, no one at his events, no platform, lifelong crook.

And he beat Obama in Chicago..yea, that happened.

OP, everything you're looking for is right here:

https://time.com/5936036/secret-2020-election-campaign/

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That's why the participants want the secret history of the 2020 election told, even though it sounds like a paranoid fever dreama well-funded cabal of powerful people, ranging across industries and ideologies, working together behind the scenes to influence perceptions, change rules and laws, steer media coverage and control the flow of information. They were not rigging the election; they were fortifying it. And they believe the public needs to understand the system's fragility in order to ensure that democracy in America endures.

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You are just too useful to know better.

Congrats on your usefulness. Spreadsheet updated.

AggieCo2023 said:

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I know most of you strongly disagree with me but I'm actually curious and wanted y'all's opinion.

1. If the Democratic Party is so powerful and rife with corruption to the point they were able to "create" 81 million votes, why do they only use this power on selective occasions. Why did they elect to lose house seats in 2020, keep a tie in the senate, and lose most state wide elections such as Governors. If they're able to defraud their way to victory with ease why not do it more often?

2. I also hear many people on here complain on how all the institutions are overrun with liberals from the schools to the colleges to Big Business to the government. Y'all say the highly populated cities are packed with ignorant liberals. My question is if you believe there are so many liberals in every position of power and in the major cities why would it be a surprise that Democrats get a lot of votes for the Presidency?

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This is such a troll post, but I will play...

I will answer your questions when you answer these.

1. Were Al Gore and the Dem party "election deniers" when they called W an illegitimate President and called the 2000 election into question?

2. Were Hillary Clinton and the Dem party "election deniers" when they called Trump illegitimate and claimed that Russian interference and fraud was responsible for Trump being elected?

Jmiller said:

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Htownag11 said:

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Orchestrating the fraud undetected in every district in the US would be impossible.

On the other hand, 5 heavily blue population centers in a single major counting location in swing states....

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That makes no sense. If they are heavily BLUE districts then why would they swing RED?

The fraud also has the impossible cover-up with all the evidence that the election commissions have released that counter the notions of a cover-up.

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1.) Do you understand what swing states means?

2.) What evidence would be left on a ballot that is placed in a drop box?

3.) Do you work really hard to be this uninformed or does it come natural?