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I took mine and couldn't be happier I did. I recently got COVID and the symptoms have been very mild

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I got Covid with no vaccine, my symptoms were the sniffles and that's it, I have had regular colds that were a lot worse. Turns out being in shape and not fat while continuing to work out means you don't get sick. Amazing how that works.

I say you keep your doctor. When you got back and she ask you again about the COVID vaccine, you ask her when they will have a vaccine for the common cold. The cold has been around a lot longer than COVID.

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RAB91 said:

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Vaccines being a topic of discussion during a political convention indicates to me we have gone off the rails. None of us could have imagined vaccines being a wedge issue 10 years ago.

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Probably because the Covid shot ended up not being an actual vaccine.

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So what. Vaccines are not bad and Trumps Operation Warp Speed was everything it should have been. The fact vaccine usage is now a way to define your political party is undeniably dumb. We need better things to debate about.

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People lost their jobs and livelihoods over this shot. Personal freedoms were violated. That's what makes it political.

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The shot did all that? Or our response to the shot?

Parents used to lose their access to public education because they were against getting their kids vaccines. Were was the debate then? Corporations may or may not have been wrong about vaccines requirements but isnt that already outside of the government purview?

Maybe fight the shutdowns and school closures instead.
Oh and end the dependency on government healthcare entitlements.

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Semantics.

When vaccines are forced, they're political. Period.

I've had Covid before I had the shot. Mild.

I got the shot. Had crazy joint pains for about 4- 5 months. Had to completely stop working out during that time.

I had Covid again after I had the shot. Mild.

I won't be getting another shot. The shot did worse things than Covid itself did. That was my experience.

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Last Christmas I caught Delta and mildly died.

This past month I caught a different strain of this engineered plague. Less mild than before, but yet I still watch commercials from the afterlife about how I can prevent heart attacks, strokes, and organ damage if I'd just let them jab my good-looking corpse.

I guess the one positive is that I need not worry about any genital necrosis occurring as a result of some mRNA shot.

Genital necrosis with cutaneous thrombosis after COVID-19 mRNA vaccination
A Kuzumi et al. J Eur Acad Dermatol Venereol. 2022 Mar.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34839563/

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Who had balls rotting off on their vaccine bingo card?

Why do these threads always end up in endless personal anecdotes; everybody reacts differently to this damn thing, everybody has to make their own decision on the vaccine and you aren't going to convince the other side. Freaking China....

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Last Christmas I caught Delta and mildly died.

This past month I caught a different strain of this engineered plague. Less mild than before, but yet I still watch commercials from the afterlife about how I can prevent heart attacks, strokes, and organ damage if I'd just let them jab my good-looking corpse.

I guess the one positive is that I need not worry about any genital necrosis occurring as a result of some mRNA shot.

Genital necrosis with cutaneous thrombosis after COVID-19 mRNA vaccination
A Kuzumi et al. J Eur Acad Dermatol Venereol. 2022 Mar.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34839563/

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Do not click that link. I'm gonna barf.

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Why do these threads always end up in endless personal anecdotes; everybody reacts differently to this damn thing, everybody has to make their own decision on the vaccine and you aren't going to convince the other side. Freaking China....

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Personal anecdotes have become a source of information more trusted than the CDC.

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Ghost of Bizbee said:

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I took mine and couldn't be happier I did. I recently got COVID and the symptoms have been very mild

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100% nails it.

That tends to happen when anecdotal evidence from multiple people has more credibility through observation than the lies the government has given out.

Anecdotally, 5 friends 35-55 yrs old have had strokes. I buried 2 of those 5. None had heart issues, but the one common denominator is they were all vaxxed. The CDC can kiss my ass.

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2wealfth Man said:

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Why do these threads always end up in endless personal anecdotes; everybody reacts differently to this damn thing, everybody has to make their own decision on the vaccine and you aren't going to convince the other side. Freaking China....

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Personal anecdotes have become a source of information more trusted than the CDC.

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Do you remember when the CDC said you couldn't get or spread Covid if you got the 'vaccine'. I member.....

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Why do these threads always end up in endless personal anecdotes; everybody reacts differently to this damn thing, everybody has to make their own decision on the vaccine and you aren't going to convince the other side. Freaking China....

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Personal anecdotes have become a source of information more trusted than the CDC.

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Do you remember when the CDC said you couldn't get or spread Covid if you got the 'vaccine'. I member.....

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Didn't they just post that it's ok masturbate 6 feet apart to slow the spread of monkey pox? Yeah, their credibility is circling the drain.

I caught the Covid way back there before there was a vaccine.
Despite being 72 yrs old at that time, the symptoms were mild and gone in about 10 days.
Since that gave me natural immunity (my own antibodies), never got the vaccine except to update my flu vaccine.
This absolutely irritated my doctor, but I absolutely didn't care.

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Vaccines being a topic of discussion during a political convention indicates to me we have gone off the rails. None of us could have imagined vaccines being a wedge issue 10 years ago.

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Probably because the Covid shot ended up not being an actual vaccine.

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So what. Vaccines are not bad and Trumps Operation Warp Speed was everything it should have been. The fact vaccine usage is now a way to define your political party is undeniably dumb. We need better things to debate about.

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People lost their jobs and livelihoods over this shot. Personal freedoms were violated. That's what makes it political.

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The shot did all that? Or our response to the shot?

Parents used to lose their access to public education because they were against getting their kids vaccines. Were was the debate then? Corporations may or may not have been wrong about vaccines requirements but isnt that already outside of the government purview?

Maybe fight the shutdowns and school closures instead.
Oh and end the dependency on government healthcare entitlements.

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Semantics.

When vaccines are forced, they're political. Period.

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When and by whom were they forced? I havent been forced to take it. My kids haven't.

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I took mine and couldn't be happier I did. I recently got COVID and the symptoms have been very mild

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Considering this is the same result for people vaxxed or not vaxxed, this is such a dumb statement. Just shows you how many sheep are out there.

There is literally no scientific evidence the vax does anything. None. Yet because the govt. pushes it, people will tout that party line.

How anyone can listen to anything Fauci says or what the govt says about this "pandemic" at this point is beyond me. It is so amazingly clear we have been lied to from day one!

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What scientific evidence are you looking for. Medical journals, trials, real world data? And compared to what variant? The variant it was originally designed for vs an iteration several generations down the line? I guess everyone around the world is "in on it"


And a little off topic: Do you believe rotavirus vaccine works, pertussis vaccine works? Show me the scientific evidence that they work

Listening to fauchi is a completely separate issue (as are mandates) are completely different unrelated issues. If you don't want to get it done, you do you but when many got the vaccine it was for the original or delta variant and was very effective in that some didn't get it at all or simply had mild symptoms. Hospitals around the world saw this during those waves.

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I took mine and couldn't be happier I did. I recently got COVID and the symptoms have been very mild

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This doesn't even make any sense. Why would someone be so happy getting a shot that is available at every corner drug store for free? And that is unnecessary unless you are very old and/or morbidly obese.

I don't wake up in the morning and then get ecstatic that I took my Omega pills.

I take it you are morbidly obese, in which case, maybe you should consider a change in diet. Once you lose all of that weight, then you can ignore the vaccine until you get very old.

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2wealfth Man said:

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Why do these threads always end up in endless personal anecdotes; everybody reacts differently to this damn thing, everybody has to make their own decision on the vaccine and you aren't going to convince the other side. Freaking China....

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Personal anecdotes have become a source of information more trusted than the CDC.

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As a poster with a medical tag, can you give your perception of the current healthcare industry's trust in the CDC? After covid, do healthcare professionals doubt or want to challenge the CDCs power over the industry?

Many doctors I know basically refuse to look at ANY data that does not support their opinion. I didn't trust docs very much before this and now I trust even less of them.

Old gray mare ain't what she used to be.

Early on my doctor wanted me to get the vaccine. She wasn't adamant about it but was firm about it.

In my last visit, she told me boosters were unnecessary.

She seems to have seen the light.

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tysker said:

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Vaccines being a topic of discussion during a political convention indicates to me we have gone off the rails. None of us could have imagined vaccines being a wedge issue 10 years ago.

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Probably because the Covid shot ended up not being an actual vaccine.

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So what. Vaccines are not bad and Trumps Operation Warp Speed was everything it should have been. The fact vaccine usage is now a way to define your political party is undeniably dumb. We need better things to debate about.

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People lost their jobs and livelihoods over this shot. Personal freedoms were violated. That's what makes it political.

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The shot did all that? Or our response to the shot?

Parents used to lose their access to public education because they were against getting their kids vaccines. Were was the debate then? Corporations may or may not have been wrong about vaccines requirements but isnt that already outside of the government purview?

Maybe fight the shutdowns and school closures instead.
Oh and end the dependency on government healthcare entitlements.

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Semantics.

When vaccines are forced, they're political. Period.

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When and by whom were they forced? I havent been forced to take it. My kids haven't.

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Vaccines being a topic of discussion during a political convention indicates to me we have gone off the rails. None of us could have imagined vaccines being a wedge issue 10 years ago.

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Probably because the Covid shot ended up not being an actual vaccine.

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So what. Vaccines are not bad and Trumps Operation Warp Speed was everything it should have been. The fact vaccine usage is now a way to define your political party is undeniably dumb. We need better things to debate about.

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People lost their jobs and livelihoods over this shot. Personal freedoms were violated. That's what makes it political.

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The shot did all that? Or our response to the shot?

Parents used to lose their access to public education because they were against getting their kids vaccines. Were was the debate then? Corporations may or may not have been wrong about vaccines requirements but isnt that already outside of the government purview?

Maybe fight the shutdowns and school closures instead.
Oh and end the dependency on government healthcare entitlements.

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Semantics.

When vaccines are forced, they're political. Period.

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When and by whom were they forced? I havent been forced to take it. My kids haven't.

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Look up how many in the military have been discharged for not taking the vax. Biden urged corporations and hospitals to implement the same policy and a lot of people lost their careers for noncompliance. Some school districts in blue areas mandated the vaccine for students in public schools.

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I took mine and couldn't be happier I did. I recently got COVID and the symptoms have been very mild

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Super anecdotal. Do you think this is the least bit informative? When others say they had no symptoms without taking the vax, should we be swayed by them also?

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I took mine and couldn't be happier I did. I recently got COVID and the symptoms have been very mild

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Has there been once case in the universe in the last 8-9 months that was NOT mild?

Remember when those that took the horse and were cured after taking it, and the narrative was they would have been cured anyway and the horse paste didn't work?

Now the narrative is that the vaccine makes the symptoms less.

LMAO. Can't make this **** up!!

Had Covid Original, not symptoms, found out I had antibodies via blood donation. Have never been tested. Never will be. Know 4 people who died post vaccination, within 2-3 months. Have taken ivermectin during spikes.

Outside of 5-6 flights haven't worn a mask since June 2029 after reading research that hey would be ineffective.

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Outside of 5-6 flights haven't worn a mask since June 2029 after reading research that hey would be ineffective.

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COVID's going to be around until 2029? Ugh!!!! At least we now know time travel is real.

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Had Covid Original, not symptoms, found out I had antibodies via blood donation. Have never been tested. Never will be. Know 4 people who died post vaccination, within 2-3 months. Have taken ivermectin during spikes.

Outside of 5-6 flights haven't worn a mask since June 2029 after reading research that hey would be ineffective.

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F* me. We have at least 7 more years of this?!

Go back to the future and don't come back until the outlook changes.

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Vaccines being a topic of discussion during a political convention indicates to me we have gone off the rails. None of us could have imagined vaccines being a wedge issue 10 years ago.

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Probably because the Covid shot ended up not being an actual vaccine.

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So what. Vaccines are not bad and Trumps Operation Warp Speed was everything it should have been. The fact vaccine usage is now a way to define your political party is undeniably dumb. We need better things to debate about.

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People lost their jobs and livelihoods over this shot. Personal freedoms were violated. That's what makes it political.

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The shot did all that? Or our response to the shot?

Parents used to lose their access to public education because they were against getting their kids vaccines. Were was the debate then? Corporations may or may not have been wrong about vaccines requirements but isnt that already outside of the government purview?

Maybe fight the shutdowns and school closures instead.
Oh and end the dependency on government healthcare entitlements.

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Semantics.

When vaccines are forced, they're political. Period.

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When and by whom were they forced? I havent been forced to take it. My kids haven't.

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You got an answer chief or only gifs and ad hominem attacks?
Vaccines are often required by newborns with 24 hrs and children attending school yet they weren't a wedge issue. Even though there's no obvious benefit to vaccines for things like chicken pox or HPV. People allowed politics to enter the picture and both used their vaccine status as some sort of lame virtue signal.

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tysker said:

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Vaccines being a topic of discussion during a political convention indicates to me we have gone off the rails. None of us could have imagined vaccines being a wedge issue 10 years ago.

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Probably because the Covid shot ended up not being an actual vaccine.

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So what. Vaccines are not bad and Trumps Operation Warp Speed was everything it should have been. The fact vaccine usage is now a way to define your political party is undeniably dumb. We need better things to debate about.

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People lost their jobs and livelihoods over this shot. Personal freedoms were violated. That's what makes it political.

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The shot did all that? Or our response to the shot?

Parents used to lose their access to public education because they were against getting their kids vaccines. Were was the debate then? Corporations may or may not have been wrong about vaccines requirements but isnt that already outside of the government purview?

Maybe fight the shutdowns and school closures instead.
Oh and end the dependency on government healthcare entitlements.

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Semantics.

When vaccines are forced, they're political. Period.

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When and by whom were they forced? I havent been forced to take it. My kids haven't.

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Congrats, I guess.

Why play the semantics game? You know exactly what I'm talking about.

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tysker said:

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Vaccines being a topic of discussion during a political convention indicates to me we have gone off the rails. None of us could have imagined vaccines being a wedge issue 10 years ago.

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Probably because the Covid shot ended up not being an actual vaccine.

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So what. Vaccines are not bad and Trumps Operation Warp Speed was everything it should have been. The fact vaccine usage is now a way to define your political party is undeniably dumb. We need better things to debate about.

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People lost their jobs and livelihoods over this shot. Personal freedoms were violated. That's what makes it political.

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The shot did all that? Or our response to the shot?

Parents used to lose their access to public education because they were against getting their kids vaccines. Were was the debate then? Corporations may or may not have been wrong about vaccines requirements but isnt that already outside of the government purview?

Maybe fight the shutdowns and school closures instead.
Oh and end the dependency on government healthcare entitlements.

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Semantics.

When vaccines are forced, they're political. Period.

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When and by whom were they forced? I havent been forced to take it. My kids haven't.

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Look up how many in the military have been discharged for not taking the vax. Biden urged corporations and hospitals to implement the same policy and a lot of people lost their careers for noncompliance. Some school districts in blue areas mandated the vaccine for students in public schools.

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Military are not the public.
Urging a person is not force.
Vaccines mandates are your problem. Not the vaccine. I'm not excusing the mandates. I've railed against them and the shutdowns since the beginning but now vaccines, and the personal responsibility that underlies them, now suddenly is a talking point at political conventions.

Maybe talk about entitlements and the debt and tightening up elections.

This is why the lay public shouldn't have access to medical literature because they have no ability to interpret whether the publication is scientifically and medically valid.

First, this is publication is in an obscure journal from a foreign country. This screams for being very careful in assessing validity.

Review of the pathology in this case reveals that the vascular occlusions are very old, likely months or years.

Covid vaccination was far too recent to have caused these microvascular occlusions.

This 84 year old woman likely has diffuse small vessel disease (from any number of systemic diseases) that put her at high risk of peripheral ischemia likely in many tissues from a very wide variety of insults. It is also highly likely that the temporal association with the vaccination is entirely coincidental.

My guess is that you are likely very good at your profession. I would advise you to have a highly experienced physician who is an expert in the area a scientific article is concerned with before attempting to medically or scientifically quote the literature.

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Vaccines being a topic of discussion during a political convention indicates to me we have gone off the rails. None of us could have imagined vaccines being a wedge issue 10 years ago.

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Probably because the Covid shot ended up not being an actual vaccine.

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So what. Vaccines are not bad and Trumps Operation Warp Speed was everything it should have been. The fact vaccine usage is now a way to define your political party is undeniably dumb. We need better things to debate about.

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People lost their jobs and livelihoods over this shot. Personal freedoms were violated. That's what makes it political.

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The shot did all that? Or our response to the shot?

Parents used to lose their access to public education because they were against getting their kids vaccines. Were was the debate then? Corporations may or may not have been wrong about vaccines requirements but isnt that already outside of the government purview?

Maybe fight the shutdowns and school closures instead.
Oh and end the dependency on government healthcare entitlements.

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Semantics.

When vaccines are forced, they're political. Period.

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When and by whom were they forced? I havent been forced to take it. My kids haven't.

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You got an answer chief or only gifs and ad hominem attacks?
Vaccines are often required by newborns with 24 hrs and children attending school yet they weren't a wedge issue. Even though there's no obvious benefit to vaccines for things like chicken pox or HPV. People allowed politics to enter the picture and both used their vaccine status as some sort of lame virtue signal.

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Chief....As I said before, this is not a vaccine. A shot that allows the person to get and spread it is by definition not a vaccine.

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Chief....As I said before, this is not a vaccine. A shot that allows the person to get and spread it is by definition not a vaccine.

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It is when they change the definition.

Sigh.

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RAB91 said:

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tysker said:

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Vaccines being a topic of discussion during a political convention indicates to me we have gone off the rails. None of us could have imagined vaccines being a wedge issue 10 years ago.

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Probably because the Covid shot ended up not being an actual vaccine.

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So what. Vaccines are not bad and Trumps Operation Warp Speed was everything it should have been. The fact vaccine usage is now a way to define your political party is undeniably dumb. We need better things to debate about.

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People lost their jobs and livelihoods over this shot. Personal freedoms were violated. That's what makes it political.

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The shot did all that? Or our response to the shot?

Parents used to lose their access to public education because they were against getting their kids vaccines. Were was the debate then? Corporations may or may not have been wrong about vaccines requirements but isnt that already outside of the government purview?

Maybe fight the shutdowns and school closures instead.
Oh and end the dependency on government healthcare entitlements.

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Semantics.

When vaccines are forced, they're political. Period.

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When and by whom were they forced? I havent been forced to take it. My kids haven't.

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Look up how many in the military have been discharged for not taking the vax. Biden urged corporations and hospitals to implement the same policy and a lot of people lost their careers for noncompliance. Some school districts in blue areas mandated the vaccine for students in public schools.

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Military are not the public.
Urging a person is not force.
Vaccines mandates are your problem. Not the vaccine. I'm not excusing the mandates. I've railed against them and the shutdowns since the beginning but now vaccines, and the personal responsibility that underlies them, now suddenly is a talking point at political conventions.

Maybe talk about entitlements and the debt and tightening up elections.

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If you worked for a defense contractor, you had to get vaccinated. Or if you worked for most hospitals. Or, you were terminated. So, basically, get vaccinated or give up your CAREER. That's force.

Are THEY the public?