This is just a weird flex. We all react differently to viruses. Same for vaccines.

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Tysker, I will refrain from personal insults, even if well deserved, but just wanted to let you know that you are my enemy. Anyone who supports, condones or looks the other way when it comes to this type of oppressive tyrannical bullsh** is.

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Cool. Don't care.
I'm against shutdowns mandates and prefer people are free to make personal choices. But I also want debates made in good faith and where people are willing to challenge assumptions. So I'm cool with little Napoleons being angry with me online.

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Semantics.

When vaccines are forced, they're political. Period.

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When and by whom were they forced? I havent been forced to take it. My kids haven't.

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Do you want that list alphabetically or in order of stupidity,

1.) Military
2.) Some doctors and hospitals if you wanted treatment or, say, an organ transplant.
3.) Lots of companies, including mine, under threat of definite of at least potential loss of job.
4.) Certain states and cities (CA, LA, NYC, to name a few) if you want to be in public in restaurants and the like.
5.) Certainly not mine, but a lot of people refused to see other family members unless they vaxxed.

All for a shot that we suspected at the time, and is now confirmed, does not at all stop the spread.

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None of those are force by my estimation. By your definition these things are also force that should be discussed at CPAC:
Fitness requirements for military service members
Continuing education and flu shot requirements
Weight loss or smoking requirements for transplant recipients
Shirt and shoes standards for restaurants.

Seems like a lot of choices. I cant speak to the mental breakdown some people had die to covid and I always thought the restrictions hospitals placed on visitors was unnecessary. Hospitals and elder care facilities allowed people to die alone and the people who put those policies into place should be ashamed of themselves and deserve a special place in hell.

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Well, since you get to use your own definition of "force" and ignore the one used by the rest of the world, it's useless to continue discussion with you...

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I'm not the one claiming to know how the rest of the world defines a word

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I suppose you have trouble with the definition of "Woman", too...

https://www.dictionary.com/browse/force

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verb (used with object), forced, forcing.

to compel, constrain, or oblige (oneself or someone) to do something:to force a suspect to confess.

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But, hey...why can't we all just use our own definition of words. It would make conversation so interesting...

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Tysker, I will refrain from personal insults, even if well deserved, but just wanted to let you know that you are my enemy. Anyone who supports, condones or looks the other way when it comes to this type of oppressive tyrannical bullsh** is.

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Cool. Don't care.
I'm against shutdowns mandates and prefer people are free to make personal choices. But I also want debates made in good faith and where people are willing to challenge assumptions. So I'm cool with little Napoleons being angry with me online.

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Don't mistake pity as anger...

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Vaccines being a topic of discussion during a political convention indicates to me we have gone off the rails. None of us could have imagined vaccines being a wedge issue 10 years ago.

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Probably because the Covid shot ended up not being an actual vaccine.

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So what. Vaccines are not bad and Trumps Operation Warp Speed was everything it should have been. The fact vaccine usage is now a way to define your political party is undeniably dumb. We need better things to debate about.

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People lost their jobs and livelihoods over this shot. Personal freedoms were violated. That's what makes it political.

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The shot did all that? Or our response to the shot?

Parents used to lose their access to public education because they were against getting their kids vaccines. Were was the debate then? Corporations may or may not have been wrong about vaccines requirements but isnt that already outside of the government purview?

Maybe fight the shutdowns and school closures instead.
Oh and end the dependency on government healthcare entitlements.

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Semantics.

When vaccines are forced, they're political. Period.

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When and by whom were they forced? I havent been forced to take it. My kids haven't.

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Look up how many in the military have been discharged for not taking the vax. Biden urged corporations and hospitals to implement the same policy and a lot of people lost their careers for noncompliance. Some school districts in blue areas mandated the vaccine for students in public schools.

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Military are not the public.
Urging a person is not force.
Vaccines mandates are your problem. Not the vaccine. I'm not excusing the mandates. I've railed against them and the shutdowns since the beginning but now vaccines, and the personal responsibility that underlies them, now suddenly is a talking point at political conventions.

Maybe talk about entitlements and the debt and tightening up elections.

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tysker: Who was forced?
ProgN: The military
tysker: They don't count.

LOL.

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They dont. Sorry. My military family members were also required to take smallpox and anthrax vaccines against their will. Lots of liberties are taken away from people who have chosen military service as their career. Funny you only care about it now.

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Everything you listed was tried and tested for long periods of time. The COVID pre-therapeutic wasn'tand is now showing a few, serious apparent issues that would have been sus'd out if it wasn't rushed. Especially considering that the WAV was survivable by almost 100% of patients.

There were a LOT of people forced to take this ineffective crap.

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I took mine and couldn't be happier I did. I recently got COVID and the symptoms have been very mild

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It would have been mild regardless.

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User name checks out

I can't imagine anyone having trust in the medical profession at this point.

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Tysker, I will refrain from personal insults, even if well deserved, but just wanted to let you know that you are my enemy. Anyone who supports, condones or looks the other way when it comes to this type of oppressive tyrannical bullsh** is.

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Cool. Don't care.
I'm against shutdowns mandates and prefer people are free to make personal choices. But I also want debates made in good faith and where people are willing to challenge assumptions. So I'm cool with little Napoleons being angry with me online.

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You're a hyper Karen and don't realize it. Completely fine with the government threatening to ruin peoples lives over not vaccinating for a f-ing cold. I would have no problem with you In real life I promise you that. In fact I look forward to the day where your kind is clapped back at.

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I took mine and couldn't be happier I did. I recently got COVID and the symptoms have been very mild

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Assuming you are not old or morbidly obese, everyone has mild symptoms at worst exceptfor the outliers of outliers.

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Tysker, I will refrain from personal insults, even if well deserved, but just wanted to let you know that you are my enemy. Anyone who supports, condones or looks the other way when it comes to this type of oppressive tyrannical bullsh** is.

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Cool. Don't care.
I'm against shutdowns mandates and prefer people are free to make personal choices. But I also want debates made in good faith and where people are willing to challenge assumptions. So I'm cool with little Napoleons being angry with me online.

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You're a hyper Karen and don't realize it. Completely fine with the government threatening to ruin peoples lives over not vaccinating for a f-ing cold. I would have no problem with you In real life I promise you that. In fact I look forward to the day where your kind is clapped back at.

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I was called anti-vaxx on this board before it was cool. Probably before you started posting . Specifically because of the insistence of a questionable pharmaceutical industry and overreach of the government and the CDC. Classic regulatory capture. I'm not fine with government using force to vaccinate people. Don't misconstrue my argument but few of the examples are government force but are closer to corporate policy which is closer to personal responsibility.

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Tysker, I will refrain from personal insults, even if well deserved, but just wanted to let you know that you are my enemy. Anyone who supports, condones or looks the other way when it comes to this type of oppressive tyrannical bullsh** is.

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Cool. Don't care.
I'm against shutdowns mandates and prefer people are free to make personal choices. But I also want debates made in good faith and where people are willing to challenge assumptions. So I'm cool with little Napoleons being angry with me online.

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Don't mistake pity as anger...

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Hah, touche

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tysker said:

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Tysker, I will refrain from personal insults, even if well deserved, but just wanted to let you know that you are my enemy. Anyone who supports, condones or looks the other way when it comes to this type of oppressive tyrannical bullsh** is.

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Cool. Don't care.
I'm against shutdowns mandates and prefer people are free to make personal choices. But I also want debates made in good faith and where people are willing to challenge assumptions. So I'm cool with little Napoleons being angry with me online.

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You're a hyper Karen and don't realize it. Completely fine with the government threatening to ruin peoples lives over not vaccinating for a f-ing cold. I would have no problem with you In real life I promise you that. In fact I look forward to the day where your kind is clapped back at.

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I was called anti-vaxx on this board before it was cool. Probably before you started posting . Specifically because of the insistence of a questionable pharmaceutical industry and overreach of the government and the CDC. Classic regulatory capture. I'm not fine with government using force to vaccinate people. Don't misconstrue my argument but few of the examples are government force but are closer to corporate policy which is closer to personal responsibility.

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Corporate policy wholesale forced on corporations with the threat of insane penalties from the government. You can split hairs all you want if it makes you feel better but what's the difference between govt doing it directly or weaponizing corporations against people? It was tyrannical and the founders resorted to bloodshed over much less.

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tysker said:

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ProgN said:

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tysker said:

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redcrayon said:

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tysker said:

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tysker said:

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tysker said:

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Vaccines being a topic of discussion during a political convention indicates to me we have gone off the rails. None of us could have imagined vaccines being a wedge issue 10 years ago.

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Probably because the Covid shot ended up not being an actual vaccine.

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So what. Vaccines are not bad and Trumps Operation Warp Speed was everything it should have been. The fact vaccine usage is now a way to define your political party is undeniably dumb. We need better things to debate about.

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People lost their jobs and livelihoods over this shot. Personal freedoms were violated. That's what makes it political.

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The shot did all that? Or our response to the shot?

Parents used to lose their access to public education because they were against getting their kids vaccines. Were was the debate then? Corporations may or may not have been wrong about vaccines requirements but isnt that already outside of the government purview?

Maybe fight the shutdowns and school closures instead.
Oh and end the dependency on government healthcare entitlements.

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Semantics.

When vaccines are forced, they're political. Period.

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When and by whom were they forced? I havent been forced to take it. My kids haven't.

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Look up how many in the military have been discharged for not taking the vax. Biden urged corporations and hospitals to implement the same policy and a lot of people lost their careers for noncompliance. Some school districts in blue areas mandated the vaccine for students in public schools.

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Military are not the public.
Urging a person is not force.
Vaccines mandates are your problem. Not the vaccine. I'm not excusing the mandates. I've railed against them and the shutdowns since the beginning but now vaccines, and the personal responsibility that underlies them, now suddenly is a talking point at political conventions.

Maybe talk about entitlements and the debt and tightening up elections.

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tysker: Who was forced?
ProgN: The military
tysker: They don't count.

LOL.

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They dont. Sorry. My military family members were also required to take smallpox and anthrax vaccines against their will. Lots of liberties are taken away from people who have chosen military service as their career. Funny you only care about it now.

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Everything you listed was tried and tested for long periods of time. The COVID pre-therapeutic wasn'tand is now showing a few, serious apparent issues that would have been sus'd out if it wasn't rushed. Especially considering that the WAV was survivable by almost 100% of patients.

There were a LOT of people forced to take this ineffective crap.

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The military makes people do a lot of useless stuff. But they are willing to change and update policies as the information changes, at least traditionally. Do they require an annual flu shot right now? The bigger question for me is will they require covid vaccine in a couple of years.

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Tysker, I will refrain from personal insults, even if well deserved, but just wanted to let you know that you are my enemy. Anyone who supports, condones or looks the other way when it comes to this type of oppressive tyrannical bullsh** is.

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Cool. Don't care.
I'm against shutdowns mandates and prefer people are free to make personal choices. But I also want debates made in good faith and where people are willing to challenge assumptions. So I'm cool with little Napoleons being angry with me online.

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You're a hyper Karen and don't realize it. Completely fine with the government threatening to ruin peoples lives over not vaccinating for a f-ing cold. I would have no problem with you In real life I promise you that. In fact I look forward to the day where your kind is clapped back at.

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I was called anti-vaxx on this board before it was cool. Probably before you started posting . Specifically because of the insistence of a questionable pharmaceutical industry and overreach of the government and the CDC. Classic regulatory capture. I'm not fine with government using force to vaccinate people. Don't misconstrue my argument but few of the examples are government force but are closer to corporate policy which is closer to personal responsibility.

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Corporate policy wholesale forced on corporations with the threat of insane penalties from the government. You can split hairs all you want if it makes you feel better but what's the difference between govt doing it directly or weaponizing corporations against people? It was tyrannical and the founders resorted to bloodshed over much less.

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Government weaponizing anti-vaccination requirements by corporations is the same thing. Government overreach is government overreach regardless if its an outcome you prefer. I'm guessing that is government 'force' you're OK with. I think both are wrong.

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Vaccines being a topic of discussion during a political convention indicates to me we have gone off the rails. None of us could have imagined vaccines being a wedge issue 10 years ago.

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Probably because the Covid shot ended up not being an actual vaccine.

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So what. Vaccines are not bad and Trumps Operation Warp Speed was everything it should have been. The fact vaccine usage is now a way to define your political party is undeniably dumb. We need better things to debate about.

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People lost their jobs and livelihoods over this shot. Personal freedoms were violated. That's what makes it political.

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The shot did all that? Or our response to the shot?

Parents used to lose their access to public education because they were against getting their kids vaccines. Were was the debate then? Corporations may or may not have been wrong about vaccines requirements but isnt that already outside of the government purview?

Maybe fight the shutdowns and school closures instead.
Oh and end the dependency on government healthcare entitlements.

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Semantics.

When vaccines are forced, they're political. Period.

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When and by whom were they forced? I havent been forced to take it. My kids haven't.

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Look up how many in the military have been discharged for not taking the vax. Biden urged corporations and hospitals to implement the same policy and a lot of people lost their careers for noncompliance. Some school districts in blue areas mandated the vaccine for students in public schools.

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Military are not the public.
Urging a person is not force.
Vaccines mandates are your problem. Not the vaccine. I'm not excusing the mandates. I've railed against them and the shutdowns since the beginning but now vaccines, and the personal responsibility that underlies them, now suddenly is a talking point at political conventions.

Maybe talk about entitlements and the debt and tightening up elections.

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tysker: Who was forced?
ProgN: The military
tysker: They don't count.

LOL.

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They dont. Sorry. My military family members were also required to take smallpox and anthrax vaccines against their will. Lots of liberties are taken away from people who have chosen military service as their career. Funny you only care about it now.

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Everything you listed was tried and tested for long periods of time. The COVID pre-therapeutic wasn'tand is now showing a few, serious apparent issues that would have been sus'd out if it wasn't rushed. Especially considering that the WAV was survivable by almost 100% of patients.

There were a LOT of people forced to take this ineffective crap.

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The military makes people do a lot of useless stuff. But they are willing to change and update policies as the information changes, at least traditionally. Do they require an annual flu shot right now? The bigger question for me is will they require covid vaccine in a couple of years.

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Previous dumbassery != Current dumbassery being excused.

Yes, I do believe they require the flu shot which, by comparison to the WAV shot, is basically conveyed Wolverine powers.

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I took mine and couldn't be happier I did. I recently got COVID and the symptoms have been very mild

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I would like to think that you are being sarcastic with this but sadly I don't think so.

pic.twitter.com/Xg0W7cRaGi

— 💫Emmy💫 (@brixwe) August 6, 2022

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Everyone now knows that the vaccines suck. Shocking that doctors (and several posters here) are still so attached to them given the evidence that they are ineffective and likely causing sudden cardiac deaths in young men.

They were experimental and the experiment failed. No need to get offended by that if you took one.

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Ding Ding Ding … we have a winner

The Experimental vaccines were pretty much a huge failure and may have caused more harm than they did good. You don't need a vaccine to combat Covid.. the fact that they wouldn't publish the vaccine injuries and the fact they want to suppress the vaccine data for 90 years is very telling .. what did they know that they didn't want the general public knowing ? Of course we will all be dead in 90 years when this data becomes available… this vaccine experiment caused a lot of normal people to distrust our government even more and caused loss of faith in their Drs … not good

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I took mine and couldn't be happier I did. I recently got COVID and the symptoms have been very mild

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Damn that sucks. So your symptoms were worse than the majority of people who didnt even know they had it or had no symptoms.

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tysker said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Tysker, I will refrain from personal insults, even if well deserved, but just wanted to let you know that you are my enemy. Anyone who supports, condones or looks the other way when it comes to this type of oppressive tyrannical bullsh** is.

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Cool. Don't care.
I'm against shutdowns mandates and prefer people are free to make personal choices. But I also want debates made in good faith and where people are willing to challenge assumptions. So I'm cool with little Napoleons being angry with me online.

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You're a hyper Karen and don't realize it. Completely fine with the government threatening to ruin peoples lives over not vaccinating for a f-ing cold. I would have no problem with you In real life I promise you that. In fact I look forward to the day where your kind is clapped back at.

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I was called anti-vaxx on this board before it was cool. Probably before you started posting . Specifically because of the insistence of a questionable pharmaceutical industry and overreach of the government and the CDC. Classic regulatory capture. I'm not fine with government using force to vaccinate people. Don't misconstrue my argument but few of the examples are government force but are closer to corporate policy which is closer to personal responsibility.

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Corporate policy wholesale forced on corporations with the threat of insane penalties from the government. You can split hairs all you want if it makes you feel better but what's the difference between govt doing it directly or weaponizing corporations against people? It was tyrannical and the founders resorted to bloodshed over much less.

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That's the crazy thing.

It was the mere threat of penalties that sent corporations scrambling to force employees to get vaccinated.

The federal government did what it could with its employees and to bootstrap contractors and HHS people.

Every other industry went full tilt trying to force its employees to get an experimental therapeutic or be fired.

It melts my mfing brain thinking about how all this went down.

As a society we are beyond ****ed. There's no recovering from this violation of fundamental rights, natural law and the public trust.

But, we just rollin on down the highway with it. Nobody gives a ****.

Millions of medical professionals violated their oath and knowingly did harm to their patients.

They also violated the Nuremberg Code by giving an experimental product to people who were not informed of the risks, and were actually told it was completely safe.

Then your sole definition of force is gun to your head.

It is force when the Biden administration used OSHA to fir companies to force employees to be vaxxed or fired. It was force used by companies to get employees to vaxx or be fired.

Threat of loss of livelihood and ability to feed your family is force. Threat by the government to exclude in unvaxxed citizens fro public places is force. It is force when certain leftist states exclude unvaxxed kids from classroom education.

There are different degrees of force before you get to 'gun to the head.'

Why are y'all still calling these shots vaccines? They are not.

When you are under duress, it removes your ability to consent.

This is the same thing as overpowering someone, forcing them to consent to sex, then later arguing it wasn't rape because the person consented.

It's a violation of fundamental rights. It's a violation human rights. And it's a violation of bodily autonomy.

The wildest thing about all of this ...

The keystone of modern medical ethics was written in response to atrocities committed against the Jews.

Yet the Jews were first in line.

Melts my mfing brain thinking about all this.

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tysker said:

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tysker said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Tysker, I will refrain from personal insults, even if well deserved, but just wanted to let you know that you are my enemy. Anyone who supports, condones or looks the other way when it comes to this type of oppressive tyrannical bullsh** is.

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Cool. Don't care.
I'm against shutdowns mandates and prefer people are free to make personal choices. But I also want debates made in good faith and where people are willing to challenge assumptions. So I'm cool with little Napoleons being angry with me online.

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You're a hyper Karen and don't realize it. Completely fine with the government threatening to ruin peoples lives over not vaccinating for a f-ing cold. I would have no problem with you In real life I promise you that. In fact I look forward to the day where your kind is clapped back at.

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I was called anti-vaxx on this board before it was cool. Probably before you started posting . Specifically because of the insistence of a questionable pharmaceutical industry and overreach of the government and the CDC. Classic regulatory capture. I'm not fine with government using force to vaccinate people. Don't misconstrue my argument but few of the examples are government force but are closer to corporate policy which is closer to personal responsibility.

---

Corporate policy wholesale forced on corporations with the threat of insane penalties from the government. You can split hairs all you want if it makes you feel better but what's the difference between govt doing it directly or weaponizing corporations against people? It was tyrannical and the founders resorted to bloodshed over much less.

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That's the crazy thing.

It was the mere threat of penalties that sent corporations scrambling to force employees to get vaccinated.

The federal government did what it could with its employees and to bootstrap contractors and HHS people.

Every other industry went full tilt trying to force its employees to get an experimental therapeutic or be fired.

It melts my mfing brain thinking about how all this went down.

As a society we are beyond ****ed. There's no recovering from this violation of fundamental rights, natural law and the public trust.

But, we just rollin on down the highway with it. Nobody gives a ****.

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I'm inclined to agree with all of that. This whole episode made me sick to my stomach. Honestly, the worst part was how few fellow conservatives spoke out. It was almost all just protest from the relative few who remained unvaxxed. With few exceptions, I think most conservatives got the vax at some point and were kind of like "what's the big deal, just get the shot like I did"…missing the Forest through the trees.

That upset me the most. That there was no loud and universal backlash and condemnation from the right…mostly silence. It made me extremely angry.

No one took it in my household of 5. My boy and I have not had it. My wife and two daughters have both had it. Two of them far apart from each other, so twice it's been in our household on two separate occasions. I figured I'd get it no matter what from them at some point so I didn't quarantine them from myself. I took care of all 3 of them like they were recovering from a surgery. I slept in the bed with my wife when she had a 100 degree temp for 5 days.

I test for Covid, tested for the antibody, both times it was in our household. Nothing. Asked the doc why I didn't get it. He said some O positive blood types have a higher immunity. I'm real glad I didn't get the vaccine or put that into any of our children.

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I took mine and couldn't be happier I did. I recently got COVID and the symptoms have been very mild

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So let me get this straight. If you don't get vaxxed and COVID is mild to you, you can't ever suggest you didn't need the vax in the first place. But if you do get the vax and COVID is mild to you, it's obviously because of the vaccine.

Nice little set up they have here.

I can play this game too. I haven't had a single COVID symptom since this started, and I'm not vaxxed. I guess not being vaxxed kept COVID away from me!

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tysker said:

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Vaccines being a topic of discussion during a political convention indicates to me we have gone off the rails. None of us could have imagined vaccines being a wedge issue 10 years ago.

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Probably because the Covid shot ended up not being an actual vaccine.

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So what. Vaccines are not bad and Trumps Operation Warp Speed was everything it should have been. The fact vaccine usage is now a way to define your political party is undeniably dumb. We need better things to debate about.

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People lost their jobs and livelihoods over this shot. Personal freedoms were violated. That's what makes it political.

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The shot did all that? Or our response to the shot?

Parents used to lose their access to public education because they were against getting their kids vaccines. Were was the debate then? Corporations may or may not have been wrong about vaccines requirements but isnt that already outside of the government purview?

Maybe fight the shutdowns and school closures instead.
Oh and end the dependency on government healthcare entitlements.

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Semantics.

When vaccines are forced, they're political. Period.

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When and by whom were they forced? I havent been forced to take it. My kids haven't.

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Look up how many in the military have been discharged for not taking the vax. Biden urged corporations and hospitals to implement the same policy and a lot of people lost their careers for noncompliance. Some school districts in blue areas mandated the vaccine for students in public schools.

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Military are not the public.
Urging a person is not force.
Vaccines mandates are your problem. Not the vaccine. I'm not excusing the mandates. I've railed against them and the shutdowns since the beginning but now vaccines, and the personal responsibility that underlies them, now suddenly is a talking point at political conventions.

Maybe talk about entitlements and the debt and tightening up elections.

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tysker: Who was forced?
ProgN: The military
tysker: They don't count.

LOL.

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They dont. Sorry. My military family members were also required to take smallpox and anthrax vaccines against their will. Lots of liberties are taken away from people who have chosen military service as their career. Funny you only care about it now.

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Everything you listed was tried and tested for long periods of time. The COVID pre-therapeutic wasn'tand is now showing a few, serious apparent issues that would have been sus'd out if it wasn't rushed. Especially considering that the WAV was survivable by almost 100% of patients.

There were a LOT of people forced to take this ineffective crap.

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The military makes people do a lot of useless stuff. But they are willing to change and update policies as the information changes, at least traditionally. Do they require an annual flu shot right now? The bigger question for me is will they require covid vaccine in a couple of years.

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This is completely backwards. If we aren't sure about the efficacy of the shot or potential long-term side effects, then you would like to see shots only be mandated for anyone after a period of years, no?

I was very fortunate- my doctor told me in early 2020 that he had read everything he could find on the "vaccine" and was concerned about it in general but appalled at the lack of testing. He stated that he could not recommend the shot and would do all he could to ensure no one in his family took it. My position became that I would not take the jab, but I did reserve the right to change my mind. I never did.

Was I "forced" to get a Covid vaccination?

No, I was not because I chose not to.

I "chose" to change churches because the Pastor at the Church I attended and served at for 20 years decided that in order to serve in any capacity in Liturgy or within any Church-sponsored organization, you had to be vaccinated and give the church proof of your vaccination.

I wanted to continue to serve, but was no longer allowed at the Parish where I had served for over 20 years (including 18 months during the pandemic before vaccinations were widely released). Was I "forced" to leave? No, but I chose to go where I could serve.

My employer didn't "force" me to get vaccinated, but I did have to request a religious exemption and was not allowed in the office without a negative covid test within the previous 72 hours. Fortunately for me, I was not in a position that would have required face-to-face interaction with customers. If that had been the case, my exemption request would not have been granted. Even then I wouldn't have been "forced" to get the jab. I could have chosen to be unemployed instead. Not really much of a choice, but strictly speaking, it is a choice.

My family didn't "force" me to get vaccinated, but there were some who would not allow me around them for a while because I wasn't vaccinated for Covid.

Interestingly, many who say that the vaccines aren't "forced" will consider many other choices people make to be "forced". For example, people who are "forced" to a life of crime because of their financial situation. People who are "forced" to take a minimum wage job because that is all they can find or all they are qualified for.

I suspect that many people who "chose" to take the Covid vaccine weren't really excited to get it; but did so because it made their lie easier in one way or another.

I majored in a STEM field at A&M so ….. of course I got vaccinated. I'm also a doc.

Covid response revealed that the majority of doctors lack critical thinking skills and are sheep.

I should add that I also do not believe in a flat earth.

My doctor acts totally different towards me as a result of me not getting the shot. Finally caught it end of January 2022. Felt like crap for 5 days. Wife had 1 day of symptoms. I've been far more sick. Glad I didn't get the shot.

I had two friends die from Covid. One was 64 and one was only 48. Neither in bad shape. Decided to take it. I have no problem with those who chose not to take it. I do have a problem with those who try to force their opinion on others - from either side.

It should be a personal choice, and that should be the end of it. Just don't see why some seem so adamant to shame others who did or did not take the vaccine.