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Eh. It was a pro-Tesla site, warning its readers that owners are getting keyed. Pooh-Pooh it if you will but it's evidently a thing for Tesla owners.

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Where in the article does it say getting the car keyed is a common thing? It mentioned one vehicle and some people that say they don't want to wrap their car because they don't want to draw attention to it.

The one common thing is getting coal rolled which also happens a lot to bicyclists, walkers and hybrids.

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The malicious damage serves as a sobering reminder that some still react to electric vehicles with hostility rather than celebration.

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What I was referring to.

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That is a big stretch you are making from that comment. The hostility to would be a lot of what is in this thread and things like coal rolling mentioned earlier. If vandalism was a major problem, you would see it in insurance rates because they are more expensive to repair, especially body damage, given all of the gadgets for driver assists and the methods of construction. The 360 cameras is what I have read has kept a lot of damage and theft because you will be on candid camera (that does raise legitimate privacy concerns but these days I think you need to assume there are multiple cameras watching you at all times you are outside)

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I thought we already settled that insurance rates are higher for EV's? IIRC they are hugh across the board, but what we couldn't decide is if that is because of the characteristics of the cars themselves, or the personality types of the yokels and lemmings who think its a good idea to drive them.

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I was agree they are higher so I don't know why you think I am claiming otherwise. The average is 10-30% for cars of similar sales price. The repairs costs are higher thanks to construction methods, limited approved repair shops and an higher rate of electronic monitors and the theft rate is lower which partially offsets the repair costs. Other than the one flawed study that determined accident rates based on insurance claims because many olders cars frequently only carry liability while most EVs are less than 5 years old, there really hasn't been data to prove there is a difference in drivers. If there was, insurance rates should be more like double like they are for high performance sports cars.

Biden Commerce Secretary: I have national security concerns about EV's:

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During an interview aired on Friday's broadcast of CNBC's "Closing Bell: Overtime," Commerce Secretary Gina Raimondo said that we "Probably" need to take more action to keep Chinese electric vehicles from flooding the market and stated, "I have national security concerns about electric vehicles."

Co-host Morgan Brennan asked, "Stellantis' CEO saying low-cost Chinese EVs are, going to be an 'existential problem', just a few days ago. We know Europe's grappling with this problem. In the U.S., we already have a tariff on Chinese EV imports. Do more actions need to be taken?"

Raimondo responded, "Probably, yes. I share the concern. By the way, I have national security concerns about electric vehicles. An electric vehicle has sensors and semiconductors. They know who's driving it, where they're driving, huge amounts of data. Chinese EVs on our road, is that data going back to Beijing in ways that undermine our national security? We're looking hard at that. Additionally, what you say, listen, I have always maintained Americans can compete if there's a level playing field. And you have a situation where China is distorting the market dynamics due to subsidies and low costs of capital. And so, I know the president is deeply concerned about both of these issues, and the administration is being thoughtful. We want to get it right, but have our eye, certainly, on the ball of thinking about what can we do, what must we do to protect Americans."

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More: EV owners want…gas station convenience.

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A recent study conducted by AutoPacific has shed light on the preferences of both current and potential electric vehicle (EV) consumers regarding public charging facilities. The findings reveal a clear desire among consumers for features that align closely with the traditional gas station experience. According to the study, 90 percent of EV owners and individuals considering EVs prioritize easily accessible information on charging speeds and costs. This parallels the demand for additional amenities that enhance the overall utility of the stations.

Lighting and Accessibility
A key aspect of the ideal EV charging station is proper lighting. A well-lit environment not only contributes to safety but also enhances the ease of use during nighttime. This feature is equally important to both current and prospective EV users, with 89 percent of respondents in agreement.

Protection from the Elements
Similar to traditional gas stations, public EV charging stations should offer protection from weather conditions such as rain and snow. This consideration is crucial for maintaining the integrity of the charging process and user comfort. Both groups surveyed value this attribute highly, with 87 percentt concurrence.

Vehicle Care Services
The availability of basic vehicle care services at charging stations is another attribute that is in demand. Services such as windshield cleaning, air pumps for tires, and vacuums are deemed necessary by 86 percent of EV owners and 79 percent of potential buyers. These services add value to the charging station experience.

Connectivity and Convenience
Providing Wi-Fi access at charging stations is seen as important, potentially due to the waiting time associated with charging EVs. This amenity is favored by 85 percent of current EV owners and 78 percent of potential adopters, highlighting the desire for a connected and convenient charging experience.

In summary, the expectations for public EV charging stations are clear. Users are looking for convenience, information, safety, and additional services that go beyond just charging the vehicle. These attributes collectively contribute to a more satisfactory charging experience, akin to the familiar amenities provided by traditional fueling stations.

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LOL, just avoid buying the golf cart.

Chinese EV cameras going to be scanning everyone's plates and faces to track Americans. You don't have to buy the Chinese EV to be tracked, only your neighbor does.

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Chinese EV cameras going to be scanning everyone's plates and faces to track Americans. You don't have to buy the Chinese EV to be tracked, only your neighbor does.

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You do realize that all of the vehicle cameras that are being installed to do what you want don't require an EV, right?

Ford halts EV shipments, again:

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Another sign may have emerged suggesting that Joe Biden's efforts to blackmail the country into switching to electric vehicles are failing. Ford Motor Company had already significantly decreased its production of the F-150 Lightning electric trucks earlier this year. Now they have halted shipments of the trucks. A statement from the company claims that the pause in shipments was driven by unspecified "quality issues." But that's a curious explanation considering that they simultaneously resumed shipments of their gas-powered trucks. What's going on here? (Fortune Magazine)

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Ford Motor Co. has halted shipments of its F-150 Lightning plug-in pickup for an undisclosed quality issue just weeks after cutting production of the battery-powered model due to slowing sales.
The automaker said in a statement late Friday it stopped shipping the Lightning on Feb. 9 "to ensure quality." It did not say when it expects to resume delivering the Lightning to dealers, but noted it has started shipping traditional gas-powered versions of the truck, which was redesigned for the 2024 model year.
"We expect to ramp up shipments in the coming weeks as we complete thorough launch quality checks to ensure these new F-150s meet our high standards," the company said.

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Multiple outlets have asked Ford for details of the "quality issues" being examined, but the company has thus far declined to say. That's a highly unusual decision for an automotive manufacturer. They are only vaguely stating that they are working to ensure that the quality of the vehicles "meets our high standards." The importance of these concerns (assuming they are real) depends entirely on how serious a potential defect might be.

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PSA: if you are plugging these things in at your residence at night it's probably a good idea to keep it parked 9 or 10+ feet from the dwelling structure, to be safe. Maybe keep a motion camera on it.

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I'll buy an electric car when I can get 500 miles on a full charge and it only takes 10 minutes to charge completely at a station when I'm on the road.

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My car could do maybe 375 miles without stopping (all highway). How many times have you travelled 500 miles, stopped for ten minutes, then travelled another 500 miles?

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Last week I drove from SA to Edinburg, did my inspection and drove back to SA. Next week Jefferson County. Electric vehicles will not get me where I need to go.

Sounds like an EV could have added half an hour or so to that trip which is definitely less convenient for long trips

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Ford halts EV shipments, again:

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Another sign may have emerged suggesting that Joe Biden's efforts to blackmail the country into switching to electric vehicles are failing. Ford Motor Company had already significantly decreased its production of the F-150 Lightning electric trucks earlier this year. Now they have halted shipments of the trucks. A statement from the company claims that the pause in shipments was driven by unspecified "quality issues." But that's a curious explanation considering that they simultaneously resumed shipments of their gas-powered trucks. What's going on here? (Fortune Magazine)

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Ford Motor Co. has halted shipments of its F-150 Lightning plug-in pickup for an undisclosed quality issue just weeks after cutting production of the battery-powered model due to slowing sales.
The automaker said in a statement late Friday it stopped shipping the Lightning on Feb. 9 "to ensure quality." It did not say when it expects to resume delivering the Lightning to dealers, but noted it has started shipping traditional gas-powered versions of the truck, which was redesigned for the 2024 model year.
"We expect to ramp up shipments in the coming weeks as we complete thorough launch quality checks to ensure these new F-150s meet our high standards," the company said.

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Multiple outlets have asked Ford for details of the "quality issues" being examined, but the company has thus far declined to say. That's a highly unusual decision for an automotive manufacturer. They are only vaguely stating that they are working to ensure that the quality of the vehicles "meets our high standards." The importance of these concerns (assuming they are real) depends entirely on how serious a potential defect might be.

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PSA: if you are plugging these things in at your residence at night it's probably a good idea to keep it parked 9 or 10+ feet from the dwelling structure, to be safe. Maybe keep a motion camera on it.

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But hey sales are better than ever, so at least they got that going for them.

It's not just Ford pumping the brakes...

Mercedes-Benz Scraps Plans to Make Only Electric Vehicles Due to 'Market Conditions'

If you drive an ICE vehicle and care about your family think twice before parking it in a garage.


https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/why-so-many-hyundai-kia-vehicles-get-recalled-for-fire-risk-a1169940635/

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Since 2010 more than 3,100 Hyundai and Kia vehicles have caught fire, injuring 103 people and killing one, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), the government agency investigating both automakers. These fires may be related to an engine design.

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Yep.
Buyer beware.
https://www.tesla-fire.com/

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If you drive an ICE KOREAN vehicle and care about your family think twice before parking it in a garage.


https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/why-so-many-hyundai-kia-vehicles-get-recalled-for-fire-risk-a1169940635/

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Since 2010 more than 3,100 Hyundai and Kia vehicles have caught fire, injuring 103 people and killing one, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), the government agency investigating both automakers. These fires may be related to an engine design.

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If you drive an ICE KOREAN vehicle and care about your family think twice before parking it in a garage.


https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/why-so-many-hyundai-kia-vehicles-get-recalled-for-fire-risk-a1169940635/

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Since 2010 more than 3,100 Hyundai and Kia vehicles have caught fire, injuring 103 people and killing one, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), the government agency investigating both automakers. These fires may be related to an engine design.

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Or Jeep
https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/jeep-cherokee-recall-fire-risk

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If you drive an ICE KOREAN vehicle and care about your family think twice before parking it in a garage.


https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/why-so-many-hyundai-kia-vehicles-get-recalled-for-fire-risk-a1169940635/

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Since 2010 more than 3,100 Hyundai and Kia vehicles have caught fire, injuring 103 people and killing one, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), the government agency investigating both automakers. These fires may be related to an engine design.

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Or VW or Audi
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/23/business/vw-recalls-260-000-small-cars-fire-risk/index.html

Why people strap their kids in these gasoline golf carts I have no idea

Then you have this going on in Germany....

E-Car Sales Stall In Germany…Trend Shows Country Will Fall Far Short Of 2030 Target

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No. 1: Price, used car value
Buying a new e-car in Germany means having to shell out between 30,000 to 50,000 euros. "Models in the upper price segment often cost between 80,000 and 100,000 euros, say the experts at the price comparison portal Verivox.

No. 2: Range
Most e-cars need to be recharged every about every 200 km or so, far below the range typically suggested by manufacturers. And as the battery ages, performance declines.
Moreover, Germany's charging infrastructure still has a long way to go and and so charging can be a real challenge at times. Many homeowners don't have a charging wall box, and city apartment dwellers often lack parking places with the possibility of charging. This makes e-cars inconvenient to own.

No. 3: low demand for used e-cars
"At the same time, used e-cars are almost unsaleable. Who would buy a used e-car when they can have a petrol car that will serve them well for many years for less money?" reports Zinke.
A regular, used internal combustion engine car is more reliable, quick to refuel and will travel many hundreds of kilometers for much less money.

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So, how does the EU propose to solve this problem created by the economic fascists refusing to buy battery electric cars....well, naturally the:

EU Proposed Ban on Repairing Cars Older than 15 Years

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If you drive an ICE vehicle and care about your family think twice before parking it in a garage.


https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/why-so-many-hyundai-kia-vehicles-get-recalled-for-fire-risk-a1169940635/

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Since 2010 more than 3,100 Hyundai and Kia vehicles have caught fire, injuring 103 people and killing one, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), the government agency investigating both automakers. These fires may be related to an engine design.

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But what if I think Kias are ugly

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If you drive an ICE KOREAN vehicle and care about your family think twice before parking it in a garage.


https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/why-so-many-hyundai-kia-vehicles-get-recalled-for-fire-risk-a1169940635/

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Since 2010 more than 3,100 Hyundai and Kia vehicles have caught fire, injuring 103 people and killing one, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), the government agency investigating both automakers. These fires may be related to an engine design.

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Or Jeep
https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/jeep-cherokee-recall-fire-risk

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Meh....

Cherokees don't count as Jeeps.

And they're not Korean, either.

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If you drive an ICE vehicle and care about your family think twice before parking it in a garage.


https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/why-so-many-hyundai-kia-vehicles-get-recalled-for-fire-risk-a1169940635/

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Since 2010 more than 3,100 Hyundai and Kia vehicles have caught fire, injuring 103 people and killing one, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), the government agency investigating both automakers. These fires may be related to an engine design.

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But what if I think Kias are ugly

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You'd be correct?

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If you drive an ICE KOREAN vehicle and care about your family think twice before parking it in a garage.


https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/why-so-many-hyundai-kia-vehicles-get-recalled-for-fire-risk-a1169940635/

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Since 2010 more than 3,100 Hyundai and Kia vehicles have caught fire, injuring 103 people and killing one, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), the government agency investigating both automakers. These fires may be related to an engine design.

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Or VW or Audi
https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2024/02/23/business/vw-recalls-260-000-small-cars-fire-risk/index.html

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Germans, amirite?

Always starting some kind of a fire...VW...Audi...Reichstag...

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If you drive an ICE vehicle and care about your family think twice before parking it in a garage.


https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/why-so-many-hyundai-kia-vehicles-get-recalled-for-fire-risk-a1169940635/

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Since 2010 more than 3,100 Hyundai and Kia vehicles have caught fire, injuring 103 people and killing one, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), the government agency investigating both automakers. These fires may be related to an engine design.

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But what if I think Kias are ugly

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You'd be correct?

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Your terms are acceptable

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Why people strap their kids in these gasoline golf carts I have no idea

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My golf cart is actually gas powered...

But, on a good note, it hasn't burned down my house.

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Why people strap their kids in these gasoline golf carts I have no idea

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My golf cart is actually gas powered...

But, on a good note, it hasn't burned down my house.

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About 40% of golf carts are ice powered. That's why it's always been a silly poorly educated comparison.

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If you drive an ICE KOREAN vehicle and care about your family think twice before parking it in a garage.


https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/why-so-many-hyundai-kia-vehicles-get-recalled-for-fire-risk-a1169940635/

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Since 2010 more than 3,100 Hyundai and Kia vehicles have caught fire, injuring 103 people and killing one, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), the government agency investigating both automakers. These fires may be related to an engine design.

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Or Jeep
https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/jeep-cherokee-recall-fire-risk

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Meh....

Cherokees don't count as Jeeps.

And they're not Korean, either.

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I was correcting your claim where you seem to think only Korean cars catch fire along with EVs.

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If you drive an ICE KOREAN vehicle and care about your family think twice before parking it in a garage.


https://www.consumerreports.org/cars/car-recalls-defects/why-so-many-hyundai-kia-vehicles-get-recalled-for-fire-risk-a1169940635/

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Since 2010 more than 3,100 Hyundai and Kia vehicles have caught fire, injuring 103 people and killing one, according to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA), the government agency investigating both automakers. These fires may be related to an engine design.

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Or Jeep
https://www.nhtsa.gov/press-releases/jeep-cherokee-recall-fire-risk

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Meh....

Cherokees don't count as Jeeps.

And they're not Korean, either.

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I was correcting your claim where you seem to think only Korean cars catch fire along with EVs.

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Here's 23 internet points. Go buy a new sarcasmeter. Yours is broken.

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Why people strap their kids in these gasoline golf carts I have no idea

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My golf cart is actually gas powered...

But, on a good note, it hasn't burned down my house.

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About 40% of golf carts are ice powered. That's why it's always been a silly poorly educated comparison.

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Where do you golf?

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Why people strap their kids in these gasoline golf carts I have no idea

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My golf cart is actually gas powered...

But, on a good note, it hasn't burned down my house.

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About 40% of golf carts are ice powered. That's why it's always been a silly poorly educated comparison.

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Where do you golf?

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Canyon West...

It's a nice golf course...

Amirite, Tesla?

Whoa. It's getting real.

https://www.businessinsider.com/china-xi-jinping-crush-tesla-elon-musk-american-ev-industry-2024-2

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When Tesla CEO Elon Musk was asked in 2011 about the Chinese electric-car maker BYD - a Warren Buffett-backed company focused on cheaper eclectic vehicles with a name short for Build Your Dreams - he simply laughed it off. "Have you seen their car?" he said with a giggle to Bloomberg TV, adding that BYD didn't "have a great product" and "the technology is not very strong."
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A lot can change in 13 years. BYD eclipsed Tesla in 2023 as the best-selling EV maker in the world. One out of every three electric cars sold is made by the company, up from 15% in 2020.
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In 2023, 1 million were sold in the country for the first time, up from 918,500 in 2022. Despite this growth, there have been flashing red signs that American automakers' strategy - making EVs that are just like combustion-engine cars but about $10,000 more expensive - isn't working. Projections for sales growth in the years ahead have come down, and consumers have expressed dissatisfaction with the crop of cars available. To overcome that, carmakers have realized they must lure customers with cheaper models. Earlier this month, Ford CEO Jim Farley said his company was "ruthlessly" focused on developing a more affordable mass-market car. Tesla has been saying a cheaper car is on the way for years, without success (yet).

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More at the link. Interesting read.

BYD is kind of like the Japanese autos going into the 80's. Everyone thought they were cheap junk, which might have been true at one point, but they were innovative and did much better than the U.S. dealing with changing times (namely increasing emissions regulations and rising gas prices).

How truly successful they are I don't know. Is it a public company or NGO? Hard to tell in China. I could see the CCP giving lots of tax breaks for jobs and to undercut the market. Plus imagine all the data they could get their hands on…..

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Why people strap their kids in these gasoline golf carts I have no idea

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My golf cart is actually gas powered...

But, on a good note, it hasn't burned down my house.

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About 40% of golf carts are ice powered. That's why it's always been a silly poorly educated comparison.

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Live at Canyon West. A significant number of golf carts are not actually used for golf.

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My golf cart is actually gas powered...

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About 40% of golf carts are ice powered. That's why it's always been a silly poorly educated comparison.

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Live at Canyon West. A significant number of golf carts are not actually used for golf.

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I don't think you know what golf cart means. The point of the Golf Cart joke is that everyone drives an EV on the golf course.

Unless it's a gas golf cart

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I was lectured at some point in this thread (I can't remember the specifics) that more and more golf carts are going electric. Because "technology" or something. Good ones I have always felt are the CNG ones that actually don't die on the 12th hole.

I also read last week that Tesla had stockpiled purchases of Chinese batteries before the new tax laws hit. Made me laugh. There was a funny chart about it. Here's an article referencing their 'partnership' with china including for the 4680 batteries made/finished in Texas. China dominates the global market still of course;



Every BEV battery produced today still depends on China.

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Where do you golf?

Some layoffs are on the way.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/money/companies/rivian-s-ceo-laid-off-10-percent-of-the-companys-employees-and-made-the-1-mistake-no-leader-should-make/ar-BB1iQZtC