PlaneCrashGuy said:

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GAC06 said:

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Unless it's a gas golf cart

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Where do you golf?

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It is not uncommon for golf carts in coastal courses to be ICE. Not sure what your angle is here.

Not going to read through 4000 posts -
Are you counting Hybrids (electric / gasoline)
as a no go as well?

Those cathode purchases are a temporary agreement as they build out their cathode factory in Texas.

I haven't seen any mention of them stockpiling batteries and can't think of any reason why that would be advantageous from a tax perspective, and definitely not with respect to the changes in the IRA. Not saying it didn't happen, just can't think of any reason why they would have.

They did buy LFP battery manufacturing equipment from CATL so they could produce those batteries on a small scale test line while they learn the production process/try to find ways to improve it.

Battery prices are expected to fall this year due in part from delays in production by other manufacturers, which would mean Tesla would be dumb to stockpile batteries in a falling prices environment.


By the end of the year Tesla will be producing their own cathode, their own lithium, and will have taken steps towards producing their own LFP batteries. The LFP batteries are likely to be a multi-year project. They also partnered with Panasonic and LG to produce 4680 batteries beginning this year.

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Not going to read through 4000 posts -
Are you counting Hybrids (electric / gasoline)
as a no go as well?

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Some of us are fans of hybrids because they can keep going after the charge is gone. Others are diehard fanboys of battery only cars.

So, mixed opinions. The truth is, they're more versatile than battery only, but incur an additional expense over pure ICE and additional depreciation over time whenever that smaller battery needs replacing. HTH.

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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GAC06 said:

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Unless it's a gas golf cart

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Where do you golf?

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It is not uncommon for golf carts in coastal courses to be ICE. Not sure what your angle is here.

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Which is why I asked where. Not sure why you felt the need to respond.

I've seen lots of ICE golf carts over the years. Calling EV's golf carts is almost as absurd as trying to argue against the existence of gas powered golf carts.

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I've seen lots of ICE golf carts over the years. Calling EV's golf carts is almost as absurd as trying to argue against the existence of gas powered golf carts.

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The majority of golf carts are electric and the history of them bears this out. Evidently it alarms the EVangelists because we see so much pushback against the comparison. They are probably worried the image will stick in the minds of people considering EVs in the future.

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I've seen lots of ICE golf carts over the years. Calling EV's golf carts is almost as absurd as trying to argue against the existence of gas powered golf carts.

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I just asked where you golf....

I noticed the golf carts are EV's where Teslag golf's. Its OK you can admit it

techno-ag said:

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GAC06 said:

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I've seen lots of ICE golf carts over the years. Calling EV's golf carts is almost as absurd as trying to argue against the existence of gas powered golf carts.

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The majority of golf carts are electric and the history of them bears this out. Evidently it alarms the EVangelists because we see so much pushback against the comparison. They are probably worried the image will stick in the minds of people considering EVs in the future.

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Over 40% of golf carts are ICE powered. So while it's true that the "majority" are electric it's pretty even.


In short, it's an ignorant comparison devoid of reasoning.

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I've seen lots of ICE golf carts over the years. Calling EV's golf carts is almost as absurd as trying to argue against the existence of gas powered golf carts.

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I just asked where you golf....

I noticed the golf carts are EV's where Teslag golf's. Its OK you can admit it

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We own an ICE golf cart.

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GAC06 said:

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I've seen lots of ICE golf carts over the years. Calling EV's golf carts is almost as absurd as trying to argue against the existence of gas powered golf carts.

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The majority of golf carts are electric and the history of them bears this out. Evidently it alarms the EVangelists because we see so much pushback against the comparison. They are probably worried the image will stick in the minds of people considering EVs in the future.

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Over 40% of golf carts are ICE powered. So while it's true that the "majority" are electric it's pretty even.


In short, it's an ignorant comparison devoid of reasoning.

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And my point is made.

You didn't make a point. You just said you wanted to troll EV owners.

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You didn't make a point. You just said you wanted to troll EV owners.

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I'm stating facts. Your side just doesn't like the facts. Golf carts are mostly and historically electric. Comparisons to EVs are thus inevitable. No amount of repeating your mantra of "40 percent of golf carts are ICE!" changes any of that.

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I've seen lots of ICE golf carts over the years. Calling EV's golf carts is almost as absurd as trying to argue against the existence of gas powered golf carts.

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I just asked where you golf....

I noticed the golf carts are EV's where Teslag golf's. Its OK you can admit it

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We own an ICE golf cart.

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This is a pretty ironic self own.

I think it proves the point that for an absolutely perfect EV market, the golf cart market, EV golf carts can't dominate the field and ICE powered golf carts are more than competitive.

Nevermind the simple fact that the American Pravda, that usually cover ups the liberal failures, can't help but note the problems.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/electric-vehicles-consumer-reports-reliability-report/#:~:text=EV%20owners%20most%20frequently%20reported,and%20interior%20parts%20fit%20together.

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You didn't make a point. You just said you wanted to troll EV owners.

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I'm stating facts. Your side just doesn't like the facts. Golf carts are mostly and historically electric. Comparisons to EVs are thus inevitable. No amount of repeating your mantra of "40 percent of golf carts are ICE!" changes any of that.

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Y'all are not having a factual conversation, you're having a subjective conversation. You think EVs are like golf carts, he doesn't. That's opinion. Whatever "facts" you're using to support that opinion are inconsequential, because the top-line discussion is opinion-based.

It's one of the dumber arguments that happens on these threads because the average person is probably driving around in a slow ass, very little power relative to its size vehicle like a 4-cylinder crossover SUV/compact SUV. People don't buy cars for power, they buy them to move them and their **** around.

To keep it on topic, since this isn't the golf forum, more and more cheaper EVs hitting the market.

NEWS: Renault has unveiled the R5 EV.

• 52 KWh battery
• Range: 400 km (249 miles)
• Price: $27k
• Deliveries begin in Europe late 2024 pic.twitter.com/RqjOaIbqKY

— Sawyer Merritt (@SawyerMerritt) February 26, 2024

PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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I've seen lots of ICE golf carts over the years. Calling EV's golf carts is almost as absurd as trying to argue against the existence of gas powered golf carts.

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I just asked where you golf....

I noticed the golf carts are EV's where Teslag golf's. Its OK you can admit it

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We own an ICE golf cart.

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This is a pretty ironic self own.

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How so? I choose vehicles based on their capabilties to fit a defined situation.

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I think it proves the point that for an absolutely perfect EV market, the golf cart market, EV golf carts can't dominate the field and ICE powered golf carts are more than competitive.

Nevermind the simple fact that the American Pravda, that usually cover ups the liberal failures, can't help but note the problems.

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/electric-vehicles-consumer-reports-reliability-report/#:~:text=EV%20owners%20most%20frequently%20reported,and%20interior%20parts%20fit%20together.

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Yeah I read on some pro EV site their three year report about a Tesla Y. Their biggest complaint was the fit and finish is awful.

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Build quality is still an issue, with panel gaps being the biggest problem. The interior comes off as a bit cheap feeling for a car that the owners paid close to $70,000 for at the time of purchase. The Model Y can be had for much less now.

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https://insideevs.com/news/709718/tesla-model-y-owner-buying-advice-3-years-60000-miles/amp/

Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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I've seen lots of ICE golf carts over the years. Calling EV's golf carts is almost as absurd as trying to argue against the existence of gas powered golf carts.

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I just asked where you golf....

I noticed the golf carts are EV's where Teslag golf's. Its OK you can admit it

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We own an ICE golf cart.

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This is a pretty ironic self own.

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How so? I choose vehicles based on their capabilties to fit a defined situation.

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I'd believe you if you weren't named Teslag.

It's true, I do own a Tesla.

I also own a diesel truck.
An ICE powered boat.
An ice golf cart
An ice zero turn mower



Like I said, I buy based on capabilities

Legacy auto mfg's now a favorite vs. EV (fad) folks on Wall Street;

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Shares of legacy automakers have outpaced their electric counterparts over the last few weeks, as investors respond to company decisions to prioritize higher-margin, gas-powered models instead of pure battery vehicles.

Automakers, including Ford Motor , General Motors, Mercedes, have scaled back on their ambitious EV plans.

Electric vehicle demand has slowed of late, suggesting the transition away from traditional internal combustion engine vehicles will take longer than expected.

Shares of EV pioneer Tesla surpassed legacy automakers for the last few years, making it the world's most valuable car company by market capitalization.

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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Teslag said:

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PlaneCrashGuy said:

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I've seen lots of ICE golf carts over the years. Calling EV's golf carts is almost as absurd as trying to argue against the existence of gas powered golf carts.

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I just asked where you golf....

I noticed the golf carts are EV's where Teslag golf's. Its OK you can admit it

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We own an ICE golf cart.

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This is a pretty ironic self own.

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Did you get bored trolling the Russian propaganda thread so you'd thought you'd spread your trolling over here, too?

Another reason not to buy: flats can be a serious problem.

https://www.wsj.com/articles/the-day-our-tesla-deflated-california-charging-station-ev-flat-tire-family-road-trip-9d8966b1

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We'd considered using our clunky, gasoline-powered SUV for this rural trek. On a previous trip, elevation gain unexpectedly drained the Tesla's battery, leaving me stranded for four hours at a remote scout camp's RV charger while the car built enough power to squeak to the nearest charging station. Yet this time, facing mostly winding and wintry roads, we opted for the Tesla's superior maneuverability.

On my childhood road trips, a blown tire meant a brief delay: Using the jack all cars had, my father would quickly swap the bad tire for the spare all cars had. Replacements were never a problem for our 1967 Chevrolet Bel Air.

But our high-performance Tesla uses high-performance tires. As we soon learned, those tires can be days away outside a major population center. Our car had neither a jack nor a spare. We could have bought the car with a full-size replacement, but that would have left no room for luggage in the trunk.

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Not having a spare tire is fairly common across all types now, EV or ICE. Our BMW X3 was not equipped with a spare.


At some point I'm starting to wonder if any of you have regularly bought cars in the past 10 years or so.

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Not having a spare tire is fairly common across all types now, EV or ICE. Our BMW X3 was not equipped with a spare.


At some point I'm starting to wonder if any of you have regularly bought cars in the past 10 years or so.

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Every new truck I buy has one.

https://www.thedrive.com/news/15277/aaa-survey-shows-28-percent-of-new-cars-dont-come-with-a-spare-tire


Congrats. 28% of new cars don't.

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https://www.thedrive.com/news/15277/aaa-survey-shows-28-percent-of-new-cars-dont-come-with-a-spare-tire


Congrats. 28% of new cars don't.

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Ah well there's the problem. Most vehicles are trucks or SUVs these days.

Pickups and SUV's only account for about 30% of the total vehicles sold.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/276506/change-in-us-car-demand-by-vehicle-type/

Apple giving up on their EV project of a decade plus. Free market wins again.

RIP Apple iCAR EV… https://t.co/KRFNY17a1O pic.twitter.com/2ZNiLHHCgD

— @amuse (@amuse) February 27, 2024

Ah well, I didn't think they could top the cyberturd anyway.

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Pickups and SUV's only account for about 30% of the total vehicles sold.

https://www.statista.com/statistics/276506/change-in-us-car-demand-by-vehicle-type/

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Try 80%.

https://jalopnik.com/trucks-and-suvs-are-now-over-80-percent-of-new-car-sale-1848427797

JD Powers numbers includes crossovers and light SUV's as SUV', both vehicles which are increasingly not including a spare tire.

No OTA software update for that:

https://pressroom.toyota.com/toyota-recalls-certain-2022-and-2023-toyota-tacoma-trucks/

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Welding debris left on the ends of the rear axle assembly during manufacturing could cause certain retaining nuts to loosen over time and eventually fall off, potentially causing a part to separate from the axle. If separation occurs, this can affect vehicle stability and brake performance, increasing the risk of a crash.

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Never thought i would do this. maybe they'll go bankrupt, maybe it will malfunction all the time, I don't know. But for the hell of it, I just bought an Ev with vegan leather seats. 0-60 in 3 seconds. Test drive was fun as hell. I know it won't last as long as other vehicles I've had before and probably won't have much resale value, but I hope to enjoy going fast, quietly, with no oil changes or fluid flushes or other preventative maintenance for a good little while.

Welcome to the dark side.

Your experience almost exactly matches mine. I was an EV hater, until I test drove a Tesla.

a riskier spending spree for me. Rivian seems to be struggling, but it should be a fun truck if it doesn't break.