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Tactical vehicles will still be internal combustion. Light vehicles are mostly used on bases and domestically.

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That is a showroom, not a dealership. Tesla does not have actual dealerships or dealership inventory (i.e. they do not manufacture and then sell to a third party to make the final sale to the customer, they operate on a direct sale model through legal loopholes).

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Can I walk in and order a new Tesla? Yes
Can I walk in a test drive a Tesla? Yes
Can I walk in a buy a used Tesla? Yes

They're definitely set up to do this all online and prefer you do it that way, but you can still walk in and do all those things if someone is available to help you (as in an appointment is open). The only things you can't do is walk in a buy a new car and drive it off the lot or bring a car in for service..*


It may not be a traditional dealer like we're all used to, but it's a dealer in every sense of the word. They just use legal loopholes to remove the 3rd part and go direct to consumers.

* Although the 'showroom' down the street from my office has a many cars shown as "in stock"

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It may not be a traditional dealer like we're all used to, but it's a dealer in every sense of the word

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Also, a dealer is a third party between you and the manufacturer. When you buy a Tesla you buy direct. There is no salesman. There is no commission. There is no finance guy. None of that. The showrooms simply answer questions. That's it.

Some of you may remember my daily driver is a '14 F-Type S (supercharged V8) Cabriolet for context.

TLDR, they are very good cars, charging in SoCal, no problem.

#1 and I flew out to SoCal for a couple weeks for our #2 granddaughter's 1st b'day and about a week's stay in Menifee, near Temecula then a week in Burbank with my brother and his wife.

Flew into LAX, picked up my daughter in LA as she had come out for a long weekend get-a-way from NYC with friends, but she too wanted to be at the b'day party, being the only Tia.

Rented a Hertz and upgraded to a Model Y Dual Motor for an extra $20/day seeing how gasoline is over $6 a gallon in Commiefornia and I was curious about the Tesla. I put 947 miles on it in the two weeks, haven't got the bill yet but I don't think I ever spent more than $25 for a charge and I charged it maybe six times at supercharger locations and never for more than a 20 minute wait. A couple times we were at some place for lunch so don't know how long it took to get to 100% those times, suffice to say Superchargers are ubiquitous in SoCal. Cheapest charge was ~$12 and most expensive maybe ~$25 the lease came with $35 charge credit. I fill up my F-Type with ~17 gallons of VA gasoline at about $4.50 per gallon of Shell or Exxon Super Monday it was an $80 fill up. I don't drive much so I fill up maybe every two to 3 weeks, work from home, when I work.

Longest overall day trip was from Menifee to Yucca Valley near Joshua Tree NP (little over 80 miles), where we stopped for lunch and got a full charge. Went up to the Hidden Valley Trail 20 miles there and back to Yucca Valley, so 40 miles, then another 175 miles, about 3-1/2 hours to San Diego Airport to drop my daughter off for her return to NYC and back to Menifee, the Y said we would make it home with about 12% charge but it was late and dinner time so we stopped at an In-n-Out near a supercharger for rest of the return trip 1 hr-15 minutes 72 miles (oddly enough it said it would only charge it to ~60% for some reason).

One of the first times I charged it; it said it was conditioning the battery for fast charging, maybe some of you Tesla owners know why, I don't know why it only did it once.

When I first got the car, I didn't modify the driver preferences, so it was like driving with three women and not just the two, heaven forbid I should change lane to pass someone, women! LKA assist kept bugging me with the audible beep and the steering shudder was disconcerting if not just plain annoying. It would beep as soon the red light turned to green (worse than the driver behind you honking should you not accelerate mediately). I guess the previous driver needed the help, I didn't like those settings. A couple days later I took some time to figure out how to adjust the driving modes. I settled on leaving it on the max recharge at deceleration, basically if you don't have your foot on the accelerator your automatically braking (or it feels like it). Got used to it pretty quickly and I think it helps keep the charge, a slight pedal on a downhill or approaching a forced stop it seems to keep the power use in the green, I suppose charging. There is a sliding bar on the upper lefthand corner indicating how much power you're using or charging when accelerating/decelerating, useful feature.

Also, for some reason driving at just above the speed limit and not much over seemed effortless (yea, there is a setting for that), my F-Type sneaks up on you, before you know it you are at 100MPH.

Let me just say a couple things about CA drivers, 1, they have no concept of left lane as passing lane, worse than here in VA, 2, motorcycles passing between lanes/cars seems like a suicide mission and also disconcerting if you don't see them coming. Working on my M-ARCH in Urban Planning I had to take couple Transportation Planning classes, CA transportation in the 80's was supposed to be the pinnacle...I guess they were satisfied back then, CA roads are worse than VA, I have to say.

The car:
Super rigid body, great suspension (not a mean feat coming from a Lotus guy) great acceleration, great brakes, nice seats (though not nicer than my F-Type), the tech is superb. Don't really care for the Infotainment, you're always looking down and to the right for the speedometer and everything else. Windshield wiper controls were a bit perplexing to me for some reason.

I like the car, I'd buy one if it suited my lifestyle, but I don't drive enough for the price of gasoline to be a bother. I'd like to try the new Roadster, 650 m/charge top speed 250 mph, yea baby!

so, no, it is no substitute for the F-Type in many ways particularly the Jag's exhaust tone and rear wheel drive.

What you prefer to call them or think of them is not relevant. They are not dealers. They are showrooms. They do not have inventory, they do not sell cars. They are legally prohibited from doing both of those things and when the media reports on dealer inventory they are not talking about Tesla, they do not include Tesla's numbers in the statistics. Those are facts.

You can go into the showroom, sit down, and order a vehicle from their website using the exact same process that you can do from your couch. Is your living room a dealership? No. The ability to buy a vehicle at a location is not the same thing as being able to buy a vehicle from a location.

Things some of you guys debate about seems like a bunch of women.

Who cares if it is called a show room, dealership, parking lot, pit stop, repair shop? What is important is Tesla is not beholden to the dealerships and this is a huge advantage.

90% of Car buyers care about price, practicality, convenience, and performance likely in this order. They don't care about Green energy, Brand, Dealerships, who the CEO is, etc.

I just don't see how EVs will not overtake Ice in about 10 years and then you will completely lose out on convenience when there are only 30% of gas stations left replaced by Superchargers. The writing is on the wall.

Price - EVs are essentially ICE neutral and many times cheaper when you account for the IRA credit. I bought my model Y for 65K 3 years ago without any Credits. Drove it 80K miles and put in zero maintenance costs. Rough Calculation shows I saved 10K on gas for a similar car (BMW X5), 2K one Brake Job, $1800 Oil changes. Scheduled Maintenance services $2K. I am being very generous with these numbers. So I have saved about 18K.

Car got totaled after being rear ended. Insurance paid out at essentially KBB estimate $40K. A steal compared to my old X5.

Practicality/convenience - for a person who drives about 100 -150 miles a day which is the vast majority of drivers and never dropping by a gas station is priceless. Not to mention remote start, remote climate, dog mode, car location, etc on top of being impossible to steal.

Performance - The new Model 3 and likely new Model Y just keeps getting better. There really is no Ice car in the 50K range that can beat a Model 3 or Y on performance.

The Dye has been cast.

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Things some of you guys debate about seems like a bunch of women.

Who cares if it is called a show room, dealership, parking lot, pit stop, repair shop? What is important is Tesla is not beholden to the dealerships and this is a huge advantage.

90% of Car buyers care about price, practicality, convenience, and performance likely in this order. They don't care about Green energy, Brand, Dealerships, who the CEO is, etc.

I just don't see how EVs will not overtake Ice in about 10 years and then you will completely lose out on convenience when there are only 30% of gas stations left replaced by Superchargers. The writing is on the wall.

Price - EVs are essentially ICE neutral and many times cheaper when you account for the IRA credit. I bought my model Y for 65K 3 years ago without any Credits. Drove it 80K miles and put in zero maintenance costs. Rough Calculation shows I saved 10K on gas for a similar car (BMW X5), 2K one Brake Job, $1800 Oil changes. Scheduled Maintenance services $2K. I am being very generous with these numbers. So I have saved about 18K.

Car got totaled after being rear ended. Insurance paid out at essentially KBB estimate $40K. A steal compared to my old X5.

Practicality/convenience - for a person who drives about 100 -150 miles a day which is the vast majority of drivers and never dropping by a gas station is priceless. Not to mention remote start, remote climate, dog mode, car location, etc on top of being impossible to steal.

Performance - The new Model 3 and likely new Model Y just keeps getting better. There really is no Ice car in the 50K range that can beat a Model 3 or Y on performance.

The Dye has been cast.

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It is shocking you are here and didn't die in a massive fireball after being rear ended.

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I just don't see how EVs will not overtake Ice in about 10 years and then you will completely lose out on convenience when there are only 30% of gas stations left replaced by Superchargers. The writing is on the wall.

Price - EVs are essentially ICE neutral and many times cheaper when you account for the IRA credit. I bought my model Y for 65K 3 years ago without any Credits. Drove it 80K miles and put in zero maintenance costs. Rough Calculation shows I saved 10K on gas for a similar car (BMW X5), 2K one Brake Job, $1800 Oil changes. Scheduled Maintenance services $2K. I am being very generous with these numbers. So I have saved about 18K.

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The average age of vehicles on the road today is 12.5 years. In ten years the vast majority of vehicles on the road will still be gas. Gas stations aren't going anywhere in 10 years. EV sales are dropping off but obviously there will be more on the road in 10 years.

The Model Y is not remotely comparable to the X5 except they're both SUV's. One is a luxury vehicle, the other is a $30,000 battery in a $35,000 SUV. Also, remote start, vehicle locator, etc., all newer vehicles have that now.

EV will eventually take over ICE though, I agree. They make more sense for the <200-mile per day home + a gas vehicle for longer trips. But it's not going to be in 10-years. At the end of the day they are more efficient (but certainly not "carbon neutral" or 'zero emission'). Honesty that's why some peopled hate the push to EV's. All the lies surrounding them and the mandates by state/fed's to adopt.

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I've owned both of these vehicles. The Y is a better vehicle top to bottom.

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The Model Y is not remotely comparable to the X5 except they're both SUV's. One is a luxury vehicle, the other is a $30,000 battery in a $35,000 SUV. Also, remote start, vehicle locator, etc., all newer vehicles have that now.

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I've owned both of these vehicles. The Y is a better vehicle top to bottom.

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This is why you're not a serious poster. I've been in both and they're not comparable. At least acknowledge when you've been beaten if you want to be taken seriously. Your cope convinces no one, so stop ****ting it out everywhere in every thread.

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The Model Y is not remotely comparable to the X5 except they're both SUV's. One is a luxury vehicle, the other is a $30,000 battery in a $35,000 SUV. Also, remote start, vehicle locator, etc., all newer vehicles have that now.

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I've owned both of these vehicles. The Y is a better vehicle top to bottom.

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This is why you're not a serious poster. I've been in both and they're not comparable. At least acknowledge when you've been beaten if you want to be taken seriously. Your cope convinces no one, so stop ****ting it out everywhere in every thread.

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I've been a loyal BMW owner for years. I haven't just "been in both". You also have another former BMW owner here that says the same.

The Tesla has more performance, better tech, cheaper to maintain, and far better longevity. Every BMW owner knows to ditch it after the 50k mile warranty expires.

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I just don't see how EVs will not overtake Ice in about 10 years and then you will completely lose out on convenience when there are only 30% of gas stations left replaced by Superchargers. The writing is on the wall.

Price - EVs are essentially ICE neutral and many times cheaper when you account for the IRA credit. I bought my model Y for 65K 3 years ago without any Credits. Drove it 80K miles and put in zero maintenance costs. Rough Calculation shows I saved 10K on gas for a similar car (BMW X5), 2K one Brake Job, $1800 Oil changes. Scheduled Maintenance services $2K. I am being very generous with these numbers. So I have saved about 18K.

The Dye has been cast.

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The Model Y is not remotely comparable to the X5 except they're both SUV's. One is a luxury vehicle, the other is a $30,000 battery in a $35,000 SUV. Also, remote start, vehicle locator, etc., all newer vehicles have that now..

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Agreed. I genuinely believe the only people who pretend BMW quality is comparable to Tesla's is posters who got priced out of BMW, and bought a Tesla to cope.

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My Y was purhcased before the price drops and was $72k out the door. The X we are replacing it with is $102,490. The X5 is priced between $66k and $90k. The Model Y is also more of a competitor to the X3, which I also owned.

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The Model Y is not remotely comparable to the X5 except they're both SUV's. One is a luxury vehicle, the other is a $30,000 battery in a $35,000 SUV. Also, remote start, vehicle locator, etc., all newer vehicles have that now.

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I've owned both of these vehicles. The Y is a better vehicle top to bottom.

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This is why you're not a serious poster. I've been in both and they're not comparable. At least acknowledge when you've been beaten if you want to be taken seriously. Your cope convinces no one, so stop ****ting it out everywhere in every thread.

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I've been a loyal BMW owner for years. I haven't just "been in both". You also have another former BMW owner here that says the same.

The Tesla has more performance, better tech, cheaper to maintain, and far better longevity. Every BMW owner knows to ditch it after the 50k mile warranty expires.

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Price wise, a brand new Tesla is comparable to a 20-30 year old X5. I have no doubt the nee cars are nicer than ones from 30 years ago.

The X competes with the X5 and the Tesla is priced higher.

The Y competes with the X3 and are priced comparably.

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I just don't see how EVs will not overtake Ice in about 10 years and then you will completely lose out on convenience when there are only 30% of gas stations left replaced by Superchargers. The writing is on the wall.

Price - EVs are essentially ICE neutral and many times cheaper when you account for the IRA credit. I bought my model Y for 65K 3 years ago without any Credits. Drove it 80K miles and put in zero maintenance costs. Rough Calculation shows I saved 10K on gas for a similar car (BMW X5), 2K one Brake Job, $1800 Oil changes. Scheduled Maintenance services $2K. I am being very generous with these numbers. So I have saved about 18K.

The Dye has been cast.

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The Model Y is not remotely comparable to the X5 except they're both SUV's. One is a luxury vehicle, the other is a $30,000 battery in a $35,000 SUV. Also, remote start, vehicle locator, etc., all newer vehicles have that now..

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Agreed. I genuinely believe the only people who pretend BMW quality is comparable to Tesla's is posters who got priced out of BMW, and bought a Tesla to cope.

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BMW's are clearly a vehicle with a lot of fanboys. They are notoriously fickle and when they breakdown which seems to be often, expensive to fix. There are a lot better vehicles out there for the money IMO but then again, that is why there is a market. After all, there are people out there that buy Smart cars and think they are the greatest because they can fit into any parking spot. Talk about death traps on wheels.

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Ya, but he sat in one once.

Musk said he is implementing a system where the car will give uber rides while you are not using. Of course there will be a 'split' with payments. Possible release of software this year.

Might buy one and pimp that b for the $1000/week.

Innovative, fantastical Elon.

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I just don't see how EVs will not overtake Ice in about 10 years and then you will completely lose out on convenience when there are only 30% of gas stations left replaced by Superchargers. The writing is on the wall.

Price - EVs are essentially ICE neutral and many times cheaper when you account for the IRA credit. I bought my model Y for 65K 3 years ago without any Credits. Drove it 80K miles and put in zero maintenance costs. Rough Calculation shows I saved 10K on gas for a similar car (BMW X5), 2K one Brake Job, $1800 Oil changes. Scheduled Maintenance services $2K. I am being very generous with these numbers. So I have saved about 18K.

The Dye has been cast.

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The Model Y is not remotely comparable to the X5 except they're both SUV's. One is a luxury vehicle, the other is a $30,000 battery in a $35,000 SUV. Also, remote start, vehicle locator, etc., all newer vehicles have that now..

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Agreed. I genuinely believe the only people who pretend BMW quality is comparable to Tesla's is posters who got priced out of BMW, and bought a Tesla to cope.

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BMW's are clearly a vehicle with a lot of fanboys. They are notoriously fickle and when they breakdown which seems to be often, expensive to fix. There are a lot better vehicles out there for the money IMO but then again, that is why there is a market. After all, there are people out there that buy Smart cars and think they are the greatest because they can fit into any parking spot. Talk about death traps on wheels.

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Notice how he wont address/explain why the quality is comparable (because it isn't) instead opting to project Tesla's battery and other issues onto the German manufacturer.

Own a BMW, get hit with the subsequent repair bills, then come back and lecture us on their quality.

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I just don't see how EVs will not overtake Ice in about 10 years and then you will completely lose out on convenience when there are only 30% of gas stations left replaced by Superchargers. The writing is on the wall.

Price - EVs are essentially ICE neutral and many times cheaper when you account for the IRA credit. I bought my model Y for 65K 3 years ago without any Credits. Drove it 80K miles and put in zero maintenance costs. Rough Calculation shows I saved 10K on gas for a similar car (BMW X5), 2K one Brake Job, $1800 Oil changes. Scheduled Maintenance services $2K. I am being very generous with these numbers. So I have saved about 18K.

The Dye has been cast.

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The Model Y is not remotely comparable to the X5 except they're both SUV's. One is a luxury vehicle, the other is a $30,000 battery in a $35,000 SUV. Also, remote start, vehicle locator, etc., all newer vehicles have that now..

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Agreed. I genuinely believe the only people who pretend BMW quality is comparable to Tesla's is posters who got priced out of BMW, and bought a Tesla to cope.

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BMW's are clearly a vehicle with a lot of fanboys. They are notoriously fickle and when they breakdown which seems to be often, expensive to fix. There are a lot better vehicles out there for the money IMO but then again, that is why there is a market. After all, there are people out there that buy Smart cars and think they are the greatest because they can fit into any parking spot. Talk about death traps on wheels.

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Lots of brands seem to have their fanboys.

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Exactly. They also are notorious for having gremlins that are hard to track down and require repeated trips to the dealership.

Let me be clear, there are cars more reliable than Teslas but it isn't BMWs in my experience and it isn't even close.

Exactly, he probably would have been better off using any other luxury car instead of a BMW. You don't buy a BMW for quality or style. You buy it for the performance and driving experience. And that partly what leads to the reliability issues I experienced. They push the tolerances to get every ounce of performance out of them and it shows in time.

I've found the pretender. Engines and performance don't make luxury; fit and finish do. An actual BMW owner would have known that.

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Own a BMW, get hit with the subsequent repair bills, then come back and lecture us on their quality.

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You can't afford BMW, I get it- now stop projecting.

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I just don't see how EVs will not overtake Ice in about 10 years and then you will completely lose out on convenience when there are only 30% of gas stations left replaced by Superchargers. The writing is on the wall.

Price - EVs are essentially ICE neutral and many times cheaper when you account for the IRA credit. I bought my model Y for 65K 3 years ago without any Credits. Drove it 80K miles and put in zero maintenance costs. Rough Calculation shows I saved 10K on gas for a similar car (BMW X5), 2K one Brake Job, $1800 Oil changes. Scheduled Maintenance services $2K. I am being very generous with these numbers. So I have saved about 18K.

The Dye has been cast.

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The Model Y is not remotely comparable to the X5 except they're both SUV's. One is a luxury vehicle, the other is a $30,000 battery in a $35,000 SUV. Also, remote start, vehicle locator, etc., all newer vehicles have that now..

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Agreed. I genuinely believe the only people who pretend BMW quality is comparable to Tesla's is posters who got priced out of BMW, and bought a Tesla to cope.

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BMW's are clearly a vehicle with a lot of fanboys. They are notoriously fickle and when they breakdown which seems to be often, expensive to fix. There are a lot better vehicles out there for the money IMO but then again, that is why there is a market. After all, there are people out there that buy Smart cars and think they are the greatest because they can fit into any parking spot. Talk about death traps on wheels.

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Lots of brands seem to have their fanboys.

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I've found the pretender. Engines and performance don't make luxury; fit and finish do. An actual BMW owner would have known that.

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They do have great fit and finish while they are sitting at the dealership getting repaired for the tenth time for the same issue.

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You can't afford BMW, I get it- now stop projecting.

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*buys a car that is more expensive than a BMW but can't afford a BMW*

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I just don't see how EVs will not overtake Ice in about 10 years and then you will completely lose out on convenience when there are only 30% of gas stations left replaced by Superchargers. The writing is on the wall.

Price - EVs are essentially ICE neutral and many times cheaper when you account for the IRA credit. I bought my model Y for 65K 3 years ago without any Credits. Drove it 80K miles and put in zero maintenance costs. Rough Calculation shows I saved 10K on gas for a similar car (BMW X5), 2K one Brake Job, $1800 Oil changes. Scheduled Maintenance services $2K. I am being very generous with these numbers. So I have saved about 18K.

The Dye has been cast.

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The Model Y is not remotely comparable to the X5 except they're both SUV's. One is a luxury vehicle, the other is a $30,000 battery in a $35,000 SUV. Also, remote start, vehicle locator, etc., all newer vehicles have that now..

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Agreed. I genuinely believe the only people who pretend BMW quality is comparable to Tesla's is posters who got priced out of BMW, and bought a Tesla to cope.

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BMW's are clearly a vehicle with a lot of fanboys. They are notoriously fickle and when they breakdown which seems to be often, expensive to fix. There are a lot better vehicles out there for the money IMO but then again, that is why there is a market. After all, there are people out there that buy Smart cars and think they are the greatest because they can fit into any parking spot. Talk about death traps on wheels.

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Now there is a contender on top reliability along with Lexus/Toyota, Hondas and most of the Japanese vehicles.

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I just don't see how EVs will not overtake Ice in about 10 years and then you will completely lose out on convenience when there are only 30% of gas stations left replaced by Superchargers. The writing is on the wall.

Price - EVs are essentially ICE neutral and many times cheaper when you account for the IRA credit. I bought my model Y for 65K 3 years ago without any Credits. Drove it 80K miles and put in zero maintenance costs. Rough Calculation shows I saved 10K on gas for a similar car (BMW X5), 2K one Brake Job, $1800 Oil changes. Scheduled Maintenance services $2K. I am being very generous with these numbers. So I have saved about 18K.

The Dye has been cast.

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The Model Y is not remotely comparable to the X5 except they're both SUV's. One is a luxury vehicle, the other is a $30,000 battery in a $35,000 SUV. Also, remote start, vehicle locator, etc., all newer vehicles have that now..

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Agreed. I genuinely believe the only people who pretend BMW quality is comparable to Tesla's is posters who got priced out of BMW, and bought a Tesla to cope.

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BMW's are clearly a vehicle with a lot of fanboys. They are notoriously fickle and when they breakdown which seems to be often, expensive to fix. There are a lot better vehicles out there for the money IMO but then again, that is why there is a market. After all, there are people out there that buy Smart cars and think they are the greatest because they can fit into any parking spot. Talk about death traps on wheels.

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I just don't see how EVs will not overtake Ice in about 10 years and then you will completely lose out on convenience when there are only 30% of gas stations left replaced by Superchargers. The writing is on the wall.

Price - EVs are essentially ICE neutral and many times cheaper when you account for the IRA credit. I bought my model Y for 65K 3 years ago without any Credits. Drove it 80K miles and put in zero maintenance costs. Rough Calculation shows I saved 10K on gas for a similar car (BMW X5), 2K one Brake Job, $1800 Oil changes. Scheduled Maintenance services $2K. I am being very generous with these numbers. So I have saved about 18K.

The Dye has been cast.

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The Model Y is not remotely comparable to the X5 except they're both SUV's. One is a luxury vehicle, the other is a $30,000 battery in a $35,000 SUV. Also, remote start, vehicle locator, etc., all newer vehicles have that now..

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Agreed. I genuinely believe the only people who pretend BMW quality is comparable to Tesla's is posters who got priced out of BMW, and bought a Tesla to cope.

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BMW's are clearly a vehicle with a lot of fanboys. They are notoriously fickle and when they breakdown which seems to be often, expensive to fix. There are a lot better vehicles out there for the money IMO but then again, that is why there is a market. After all, there are people out there that buy Smart cars and think they are the greatest because they can fit into any parking spot. Talk about death traps on wheels.

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That's not what I was getting at.

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I've owned both of these vehicles. The Y is a better vehicle top to bottom.

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This is why you're not a serious poster. I've been in both and they're not comparable. At least acknowledge when you've been beaten if you want to be taken seriously. Your cope convinces no one, so stop ****ting it out everywhere in every thread.

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I own a 3.0cs and have owned an X5...there is no circumstance in which I would own a BMW these days.

The Ultimate Driving Machine is a thing of the past never to return.

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I just don't see how EVs will not overtake Ice in about 10 years and then you will completely lose out on convenience when there are only 30% of gas stations left replaced by Superchargers. The writing is on the wall.

Price - EVs are essentially ICE neutral and many times cheaper when you account for the IRA credit. I bought my model Y for 65K 3 years ago without any Credits. Drove it 80K miles and put in zero maintenance costs. Rough Calculation shows I saved 10K on gas for a similar car (BMW X5), 2K one Brake Job, $1800 Oil changes. Scheduled Maintenance services $2K. I am being very generous with these numbers. So I have saved about 18K.

The Dye has been cast.

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The Model Y is not remotely comparable to the X5 except they're both SUV's. One is a luxury vehicle, the other is a $30,000 battery in a $35,000 SUV. Also, remote start, vehicle locator, etc., all newer vehicles have that now..

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Agreed. I genuinely believe the only people who pretend BMW quality is comparable to Tesla's is posters who got priced out of BMW, and bought a Tesla to cope.

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BMW's are clearly a vehicle with a lot of fanboys. They are notoriously fickle and when they breakdown which seems to be often, expensive to fix. There are a lot better vehicles out there for the money IMO but then again, that is why there is a market. After all, there are people out there that buy Smart cars and think they are the greatest because they can fit into any parking spot. Talk about death traps on wheels.

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Lots of brands seem to have their fanboys.

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Anyone care to hear about my Subaru?

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I didn't know you were gay!

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The Model Y is not remotely comparable to the X5 except they're both SUV's. One is a luxury vehicle, the other is a $30,000 battery in a $35,000 SUV. Also, remote start, vehicle locator, etc., all newer vehicles have that now.

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I've owned both of these vehicles. The Y is a better vehicle top to bottom.

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This is why you're not a serious poster. I've been in both and they're not comparable. At least acknowledge when you've been beaten if you want to be taken seriously. Your cope convinces no one, so stop ****ting it out everywhere in every thread.

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I own a 3.0cs and have owned an X5...there is no circumstance in which I would own a BMW these days.

The Ultimate Driving Machine is a thing of the past never to return.

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Amen to that. I've owned 2 M3's...and E36 and an E46. There is no BMW I would own today. Mainly because they are butt ugly.