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This thread in video form:

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Devastating. They tried to put a smile on it but dang. Those numbers.

techno-ag said:

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Seems like not having gas if you ever need to go farther than work kinda IS limiting your options.

No judgment, though. You do you.

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It adds about an hour of charging over 10 hours of driving…

Don't drive your BEV in the rain? LOL.

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A Scottish couple is letting the world know about their discontent after being quoted 17,374 (equal to around US$21,200 at current exchange rates) to replace their Tesla Model Y crossover's batteries. The reason their EV's power supply needed replacing? For driving while the weather was bad, they claim.

Johnny Bacigalupo and Rob Hussey said the trouble started after they went out to eat dinner earlier this month.

Admitting that it was quite rainy in Edinburgh, where they were dining, they said that their Model Y was fine on the way to the restaurant, but refused to start when they tried to leave.

They waited nearly five hours for a tow truck to reach them from Tesla support, they told Edinburgh Live. From the beginning, then, they claim that the automaker's customer service department was less helpful than they believed was reasonable.

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"After a few annoyingly difficult further calls, and one failed collection attempt, our car was collected by a firm suitable for Tesla collection and delivered to Tesla Edinburgh about 1 a.m.," said Bacigalupo. "After complaints from me, we received a call at 5:30 p.m. on the Wednesday saying the battery was damaged due to water ingress and it was unfortunately not covered by the battery's 8-year warranty and so the repair would be around 17,500. Did I wish to proceed?? I was flabbergasted and couldn't really find my words."

Bacigalupo said that he was expecting a 500 or 1,000 ($610 to $1,220 USD) bill at worst. Although he was in shock, he managed to get a manager on the phone to explain how the bill could be so large.

"He told me it had water in it due to the fact the weather in Scotland has been so bad. That was the issue. They said it's not necessarily my fault, but it's not Tesla's to pay under warranty," said Bacigalupo. "I pushed him on this and said I've never heard or something like this happening. He said it can happen with Range Rovers and Mercs, but I'm just not buying it."

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So if water gets into the battery, in any way, it's not covered by the 8 year warranty. Got it. That's a hard pass for me, guys and gals.

nortex97 said:

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So if water gets into the battery, in any way, it's not covered by the 8 year warranty. Got it. That's a hard pass for me, guys and gals.

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so we've established you don't want an EV.....and you find the most obscure posts as part of your confirmation bias. who are you trying to convince these days? because I'm starting to think you are a closet EV fan...you're trying to hard. Why don't you just come out of the closet already LOL!

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nortex97 said:

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So if water gets into the battery, in any way, it's not covered by the 8 year warranty. Got it. That's a hard pass for me, guys and gals.

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so we've established you don't want an EV.....and you find the most obscure posts as part of your confirmation bias. who are you trying to convince these days? because I'm starting to think you are a closet EV fan...you're trying to hard. Why don't you just come out of the closet already LOL!

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You could have posted nothing but instead, you posted this.

I don't see how water could get into the battery unless it is damaged or defective, seems like water intrusion should guarantee some kind of warranty action. On a luxury vehicle, it I'm sure it would. Tesla has never been this.

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nortex97 said:

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So if water gets into the battery, in any way, it's not covered by the 8 year warranty. Got it. That's a hard pass for me, guys and gals.

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so we've established you don't want an EV.....and you find the most obscure posts as part of your confirmation bias. who are you trying to convince these days? because I'm starting to think you are a closet EV fan...you're trying to hard. Why don't you just come out of the closet already LOL!

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Remember he also refuses to discuss Tesla. Unless of course it's a random obscure article critical of Tesla.

Pretty funny really. I think I was just accused of being a homosexual for not supporting bevs. Heaven forbid I share information relative to the safety, political impacts, environmental ramifications, and horrible human costs of this "green" transition between bf forced upon us.

Genuinely hilarious.

The manufacturer clearly doesn't want to honor their "8 year" warranties.

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The manufacturer clearly doesn't want to honor their "8 year" warranties.

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That in depth article definitely told us the entire story for sure

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WSJ reporting that EVs sales have slowed way down and hybrid sales are exploding. Former are too expensive running about $10K more on average than other cars.

Still absurd we didn't pursue hybrids in the first place as the bridge tech. Democrats are morons. Water is wet.

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PHEVs receive the same tax credits that BEVs receive, and they're even easier to qualify for (from a manufacturer perspective). The long term cost advantages make investing in PHEV production a questionable business move, though some of these companies appear to be making that mistake.

The average transaction price of BEVs is actually only $2,000 higher than the average vehicle transaction price. You should expect that BEVs fall below that number in the next 2 years. Charging infrastructure is going to be the primary deterrent for BEV adoption soon.

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Hph, you should write Ford, Toyota, Stelantis, etc and educate them. Your hubris is something to behold. I can't say what I want to say because it'll draw a ban.

"The auto industry's push to boost sales of electric vehicles is running into a cold, hard reality: Buyers' interest in these models is proving shallower than expected.
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Some car companies, such as Ford Motor [US:F] and Toyota Motor, are tempering their expectations for EVs and shifting more resources into hybrids, which have been drawing consumers at a faster clip."


I'd buy a hybrid. I'll never buy an EV.

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I considered a hybrid before I bought my EV and for many people, that's the right call. But all of the hybrids I was looking at would get me to work and back daily (the only purpose for my car) on EV only, so in essence, the ICE component was just going to be a lump of metal that I never use, so what was the point. I love my EV. Glad I made the choice. Maybe not the right choice for other people, but I don't believe in limiting my options.

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Seems like not having gas if you ever need to go farther than work kinda IS limiting your options.

No judgment, though. You do you.

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I have gas if I ever want to go farther. In my truck. So I've got options. Do you?

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The manufacturer clearly doesn't want to honor their "8 year" warranties.

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That in depth article definitely told us the entire story for sure

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More than the security cam footage of the hybrid Range Rover diesel conflagration in a car park did.

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Don't drive your BEV in the rain? LOL.

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A Scottish couple is letting the world know about their discontent after being quoted 17,374 (equal to around US$21,200 at current exchange rates) to replace their Tesla Model Y crossover's batteries. The reason their EV's power supply needed replacing? For driving while the weather was bad, they claim.

Johnny Bacigalupo and Rob Hussey said the trouble started after they went out to eat dinner earlier this month.

Admitting that it was quite rainy in Edinburgh, where they were dining, they said that their Model Y was fine on the way to the restaurant, but refused to start when they tried to leave.

They waited nearly five hours for a tow truck to reach them from Tesla support, they told Edinburgh Live. From the beginning, then, they claim that the automaker's customer service department was less helpful than they believed was reasonable.

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"After a few annoyingly difficult further calls, and one failed collection attempt, our car was collected by a firm suitable for Tesla collection and delivered to Tesla Edinburgh about 1 a.m.," said Bacigalupo. "After complaints from me, we received a call at 5:30 p.m. on the Wednesday saying the battery was damaged due to water ingress and it was unfortunately not covered by the battery's 8-year warranty and so the repair would be around 17,500. Did I wish to proceed?? I was flabbergasted and couldn't really find my words."

Bacigalupo said that he was expecting a 500 or 1,000 ($610 to $1,220 USD) bill at worst. Although he was in shock, he managed to get a manager on the phone to explain how the bill could be so large.

"He told me it had water in it due to the fact the weather in Scotland has been so bad. That was the issue. They said it's not necessarily my fault, but it's not Tesla's to pay under warranty," said Bacigalupo. "I pushed him on this and said I've never heard or something like this happening. He said it can happen with Range Rovers and Mercs, but I'm just not buying it."

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So if water gets into the battery, in any way, it's not covered by the 8 year warranty. Got it. That's a hard pass for me, guys and gals.

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Not another dime.

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This Wall St. Journal article basically backs up the CNBC report. TLDR: sales of EVs are slipping. Badly.

https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/electric-vehicle-buyer-interest-67b407cb

The one that said EV's are piling up at dealerships even though Tesla doesn't have dealerships?

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The one that said EV's are piling up at dealerships even though Tesla doesn't have dealerships?

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Yup. Tesla is not the only EV maker you know.

Of course they have another recall.

https://www.reuters.com/business/autos-transportation/tesla-recalls-nearly-55000-model-x-vehicles-auto-regulator-says-2023-10-17/

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In August, NHTSA opened an investigation into 280,000 new Tesla Model 3 and Model Y vehicles over reports of loss of steering control and power steering.

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techno-ag said:

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tk for tu juan said:

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This Wall St. Journal article basically backs up the CNBC report. TLDR: sales of EVs are slipping. Badly.

https://www.wsj.com/business/autos/electric-vehicle-buyer-interest-67b407cb

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"While EV sales continue to growrising 51% this year through Septemberthe rate has slowed from a year earlier and unsold inventory is starting to pile up for some brands."

Sales are up 51% yoy and that is a sign of sales slipping? How many business would sue to have 50%+ demand growth y-o-y? There is an inventory build but it seems to be more of excessive supply than lack of demand.

It also says the inventory build up is some brands. How much of that is because some of the product out there is crap?

I agree we are getting to the point where growth will start to moderate but this article seems to be the same excellent analysis of a current event we see throughout media. I also don't think EVs will ever get above 30-35% if new car sales anytime soon and the mandates will start being loosened when politicians realize they can't and shouldn't be met due to limitations of EVs and insufficient raw materials.

Tesla ev market share slides. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-electric-vehicle-sales-hit-155132224.html

They shutdown production lines for a portion of the quarter for their Fremont and Texas production facilities for upgrades, reducing their production numbers for the quarter and it was known even prior to the Q2 earnings call in July that Q3 would have lower production and deliveries.

They shutdown their Shanghai factory as well for their Model 3 refresh, but they don't sell those vehicles in the U.S. and they'll likely have another factory shutdown for the switchover in the U.S. manufacturing for the Model 3. New Model 3 has 12% more range and is only 2% more expensive in Europe and Australia.

A similar upgrade to the Model Y is expected some time next year.

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Tesla has released an over-the-air (OTA) software update, free of charge, to fix the issue, the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) said.

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What a horrific "recall".

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The one that said EV's are piling up at dealerships even though Tesla doesn't have dealerships?

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yes they do, their is one down the street from my office.

That is a showroom, not a dealership. Tesla does not have actual dealerships or dealership inventory (i.e. they do not manufacture and then sell to a third party to make the final sale to the customer, they operate on a direct sale model through legal loopholes).

When you see dealership days of inventory it is not inclusive of Tesla's figures as they don't have dealerships. There are people that track the inventory that Tesla has and they are sitting at around 100,000 vehicles in "inventory", roughly equivalent to all the other EV manufacturer's inventory combined. For Tesla that's about 20 days of inventory, for the rest of the manufacturers it's around 100 days.

I use quotes around "inventory" as inventory further implies that it's roughly equivalent to dealer days of inventory for the rest of the auto market, but there is a difference in those numbers in that Tesla's inventory is inclusive of any vehicles that have been purchased, but not yet delivered to the customer, as the purchase and delivery of the vehicle do not happen simultaneously nearly as frequently as they do under the traditional dealership model.

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Teslag said:

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The one that said EV's are piling up at dealerships even though Tesla doesn't have dealerships?

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yes they do, their is one down the street from my office.

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That isn't a dealership.

notex said:

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Tesla ev market share slides. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-electric-vehicle-sales-hit-155132224.html

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Damn.

RoyVal said:

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notex said:

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Tesla ev market share slides. https://finance.yahoo.com/news/us-electric-vehicle-sales-hit-155132224.html

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Well, they had a good run. Looks like this fad has run its course.

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Damn.

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just responding to your Tesla post Mr. closet ev lover

Unless it's a sock, which would be weird, it's different posters.

Not discussing Tesla a lot when they make up >50% (60% in a normal quarter) of the domestic market is a weird expectation though.

Latest nuclear warhead planted smack dab in the ass of the EV evangelists. Don't give up.guys, it'll happen one day I'm sure:

"General Motors [US:GM] is delaying the opening of a large electric-pickup-truck factory in Michigan, the latest sign that the auto industry's enthusiasm around EVs is starting to wane as sales growth for these models slows."

GM Delays Opening of Electric-Truck Factory https://www.wsj.com/articles/gm-delays-opening-of-electric-truck-factory-in-latest-sign-of-cooling-ev-demand-8f88c029

Who here is advocating for GM EV's?

Go watch Tesla's last investor day where they talk about cost downs and 48V.

Legacy auto would be ****ed even if Tesla was making gas cars.

Stainless steel thefts expected to increase after Nov 30th

Solid state batteries are requisites to make BEV's even begin to make sense given the transition/other costs. Ideally without precious metals/rare earth metals involved. Lithium cobalt oxide (etc., some without cobalt) with a wet electrolyte as marketed today is just…a poor option vs. ICE vehicles and our infrastructure of today, especially considering the thermal runaway risks of today's death traps. Good discussion here of how solid state would remove the 80 percent range lies BEV's are sold/marketed with today.

To those reading who are not partisans in the discussion, this is what is needed for BEV's to make sense as far as widespread adoption, and why today's models are all…laughably/wholly inadequate.

If they're really at TRL7 with ceramic separators, I would be interested in learning more, but most of us following this geekery have heard such promises of breakthroughs for decades. Toyota's shift has really given some plausibility to a better option, imho.

Every body will be buying EV cars and a bunch of them before 2030. Whether you know it or not the US Gov is planning to buy only EV's for it light vehicle fleet. Then is being pushed through complying with EO 14057 and the Net-Zero plan "The Federal Sustainability Plan".

All new vehicles being purchased will ONLY BE EV's. This whole effort is well underway. It involves all government agencies and military services. Everyone is paying through their tax dollars.

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Every body will be buying EV cars and a bunch of them before 2030. Whether you know it or not the US Gov is planning to buy only EV's for it light vehicle fleet. Then is being pushed through complying with EO 14057 and the Net-Zero plan "The Federal Sustainability Plan".

All new vehicles being purchased will ONLY BE EV's. This whole effort is well underway. It involves all government agencies and military services. Everyone is paying through their tax dollars.

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I guess that in the future, any wars we fight will have to be where there is a reliable electric supply to keep the batteries charged.

One good thing that would come out of that, though, is that if you want to avoid the government as much as possible, just move into mountainous terrain far from the cities where there will be few, if any, charging stations.

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FCBlitz said:

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Every body will be buying EV cars and a bunch of them before 2030. Whether you know it or not the US Gov is planning to buy only EV's for it light vehicle fleet. Then is being pushed through complying with EO 14057 and the Net-Zero plan "The Federal Sustainability Plan".

All new vehicles being purchased will ONLY BE EV's. This whole effort is well underway. It involves all government agencies and military services. Everyone is paying through their tax dollars.

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I guess that in the future, any wars we fight will have to be where there is a reliable electric supply to keep the batteries charged.

One good thing that would come out of that, though, is that if you want to avoid the government as much as possible, just move into mountainous terrain far from the cities where there will be few, if any, charging stations.

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Who would've thought that one day…..the side with the quickest recharge capabilities would be the side that wins battles.

Uh oh... 44% decline in net income.

"Chief Executive Elon Musk warned Wednesday that Tesla [US:TSLA] would face "enormous challenges" scaling up factory production of its long-delayed Cybertruck, signaling profits could remain under pressure in the coming quarters.

The electric-car maker reported a 44% decline in third quarter net income Wednesday, a steeper drop than Wall Street had expected, as price cuts across the company's lineup continued to take a toll on the bottom line. "


Tesla's Earnings Fall as Price Cuts Weigh on Profit https://www.wsj.com/articles/tesla-tsla-q3-earnings-report-2023-ed3cee6f