txags92 said:

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"Crashes"...

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I'm surprised Prigozhin lasted this long. Putin has killed many more for far less.

10 people killed in a private plane crash in the Tver region, reports Russia’s Ministry of Emergency Situations, via Tass. The plane is reportedly linked to Wagner warlord and mutineer Yevgeny Prigozhin. Videos suggest it may have been shot down by Russian air defense. https://t.co/xw1E22wXUC

— Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) August 23, 2023

An equally evil man died with him.

⚡"Dmytriy Utkin, founder of Wagner and "right hand" of Prigozhin, was also on board the plane that crashed", - rosZMI pic.twitter.com/48Bm5U64R6

— MAKS 23 👀🇺🇦 (@Maks_NAFO_FELLA) August 23, 2023

Obligatory: This is my shocked face.....

https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66599733

BBC reporting he was killed. Kinda surprised it took this long. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Wagner, particularly in ME and Africa.

I've got to believe that all of this internal conflict will eventually reach a tipping point with Putin. How many people has he had killed now? Crazy how different our countries are.

I see that the Wall Street Journal just reported Prigozhin was on the plane and everyone on it died

Yes but no confirmation if he survived.

https://www.cnbc.com/2023/08/23/wagner-mercenary-boss-yevgeny-prigozhin-killed-in-plane-crash.html

Three Options:

1. It's true
2. It's true, but wasn't an accident
3. It's fake and he's now off running around somewhere in secret

txags92 said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Doesn't look like a mechanical problem to me

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Unless they jumped out with chutes on somewhere along the way, I am having a hard time believing there were 3 people that survived that crash.

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My guess is the 3 people who were injured were on the ground at the time, not in the plane.

74OA said:

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txags92 said:

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"Crashes"...

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I'm surprised Prigozhin lasted this long. Putin has killed many more for far less.

10 people killed in a private plane crash in the Tver region, reports Russia’s Ministry of Emergency Situations, via Tass. The plane is reportedly linked to Wagner warlord and mutineer Yevgeny Prigozhin. Videos suggest it may have been shot down by Russian air defense. https://t.co/xw1E22wXUC

— Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) August 23, 2023

An equally evil man died with him.

⚡"Dmytriy Utkin, founder of Wagner and "right hand" of Prigozhin, was also on board the plane that crashed", - rosZMI pic.twitter.com/48Bm5U64R6

— MAKS 23 👀🇺🇦 (@Maks_NAFO_FELLA) August 23, 2023

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and throw in yet another Russian missile no longer in their inventory

it has been win/win/win today for the good guys.

first Surovikin yesterday, then Prigozhin today

lot's of windows opening up in Russia this week!

🚨🧵 Likely false claims being made that Prigozhin of Wagner PMC was killed in a plane crash near Moscow in Tver. This stinks of Prigozhin's own plot to disappear.
1. Plane manifest listed Prigozhin as passenger - this is "evidence."
2. Two explosions heard in air before crash. pic.twitter.com/5fu1OUxDgE

— Igor Sushko (@igorsushko) August 23, 2023

Moxie said:

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RUSSIAN CIVIL AVIATION AUTHORITY SAYS PRIGOZHIN WAS ON LIST OF PASSENGERS OF THE CRASHED PLANE - TASS

— *Walter Bloomberg (@DeItaone) August 23, 2023

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windows and stairs are so old fashioned

snizzler22 said:

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66599733

BBC reporting he was killed. Kinda surprised it took this long. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Wagner, particularly in ME and Africa.

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do the other commanders of Wagner just meekly accept that Putin murdered their two leaders?

they were willing to march on Moskva, but now they are just going to go back to doing Putin's bidding around the world?

at any rate, I can't imagine too many Russians want to go die in Ukraine now for Putin

wessimo said:

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🚨🧵 Likely false claims being made that Prigozhin of Wagner PMC was killed in a plane crash near Moscow in Tver. This stinks of Prigozhin's own plot to disappear.
1. Plane manifest listed Prigozhin as passenger - this is "evidence."
2. Two explosions heard in air before crash. pic.twitter.com/5fu1OUxDgE

— Igor Sushko (@igorsushko) August 23, 2023

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but why would Prigozhin fake his own death like that?

surely Putin is going to really figure it out whether or not there is a body in there that is actually Prigozhin.

unless it's just to make Putin look strong- although in that case Putin would just really have had him killed.

I'm not surprised. Also makes sense given how yesterday Sergei Surovikin was ghosted by Putin. That's both insurrectionists

LMCane said:

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wessimo said:

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🚨🧵 Likely false claims being made that Prigozhin of Wagner PMC was killed in a plane crash near Moscow in Tver. This stinks of Prigozhin's own plot to disappear.
1. Plane manifest listed Prigozhin as passenger - this is "evidence."
2. Two explosions heard in air before crash. pic.twitter.com/5fu1OUxDgE

— Igor Sushko (@igorsushko) August 23, 2023

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but why would Prigozhin fake his own death like that?

surely Putin is going to really figure it out whether or not there is a body in there that is actually Prigozhin.

unless it's just to make Putin look strong- although in that case Putin would just really have had him killed.

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If he was anywhere as smart as he thought he would have.

Get a Russian military officer buddy to shoot down the plane. Find a way to put on dead bodies with your DNA and the manifest. Now you're a ghost that is no longer a threat to the Kremlin, so no longer hunted.

Wagner, who already marched on Moscow wants revenge and will work to destabilize Putin why Prigozhin sips drinks with umbrellas on the beach of an uninhabited island somewhere with enough supplies and money for life.

Win / Win.

Dude is sitting on stacks of cash. Probably hanging out on his yacht somewhere.

Fairly certain Wagner has been effectively muzzled. They had a big draw down after Bakhmut and the failed rebellion and have since been scattered across East Europe and Africa. Individuals will be mad but the organization itself won't likely have the power to do much. Maybe some guerrilla stuff.

Could be wrong but that's my take. Of allllll the things that have occurred since the invasion the advent of Wagner has probably fascinated me the most. But they have also largely dropped off the radar from what I can tell and are a shadow of their former might. From my sources at least.

LMCane said:

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snizzler22 said:

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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-66599733

BBC reporting he was killed. Kinda surprised it took this long. It'll be interesting to see what happens with Wagner, particularly in ME and Africa.

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do the other commanders of Wagner just meekly accept that Putin murdered their two leaders?

they were willing to march on Moskva, but now they are just going to go back to doing Putin's bidding around the world?

at any rate, I can't imagine too many Russians want to go die in Ukraine now for Putin

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The other commanders may be jockeying to become the new leader of Wagner. If you become the new head of Wagner and can stay in Putin's good graces the job pays well with excellent benefits.

I also would not be surprised if Ukes had a hand in this. Not saying they did, just saying it would not be out of left field for me if it came out they planted a bomb or something. They have shown a greater capacity to "reach and touch people" over the last year. If Prigozhins name on the flight list was publicly available. ..

They're pretty confident it was a shoot down. That gives some latitude to frame it as an "accident" while still sending the message.

Eliminatus said:

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I also would not be surprised if Ukes had a hand in this. Not saying they did, just saying it would not be out of left field for me if it came out they planted a bomb or something. They have shown a greater capacity to "reach and touch people" over the last year. If Prigozhins name on the flight list was publicly available. ..

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It looks highly likely that they were shot down by SAMs from what I have seen. Furthermore, if you believe that Prigozhin is a destabilizing force, he's probably better for Ukraine alive than dead.

Latest on Prigozhin's final flight to his special place in hell.

CRASH