Or turned into artificial reefs.

Thanks ..

So another question for you military guys .. I understand the Ukraine wants tanks and other larger armored vehicles .. but from reading I see where the US literally has more than a few hundred thousand or more of the TOW missiles in its stockpile.. have we been giving the Ukraine vehicles / armored vehicles that can use these plentiful TOW missiles ? It seems like they could take out plenty of tanks w the TOW missiles and thus save our lower Quantity stock pile of Javilins ?

I saw where some TOW missile systems were supplied recently.. is this what the Stryker or Bradley's would have on them? Basically armored tank busters ? But not a tank

Thanks

fullback44 said:

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So another question for you military guys .. I understand the Ukraine wants tanks and other larger armored vehicles .. but from reading I see where the US literally has more than a few hundred thousand or more of the TOW missiles in its stockpile.. have we been giving the Ukraine vehicles / armored vehicles that can use these plentiful TOW missiles ? It seems like they could take out plenty of tanks w the TOW missiles and thus save our lower Quantity stock pile of Javilins ?

I saw where some TOW missile systems were supplied recently.. is this what the Stryker or Bradley's would have on them? Basically armored tank busters ? But not a tank

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The Bradley has a 2-tube box launcher for TOW missiles.

A Stryker brigade combat team has one company of 9 launcher vehicles (2 launcher tubes each).

The weapons company of an Army light infantry battalion has single-tube launchers mounted on HMMWVs, now JLTVs I assume. I was never assigned light, so I'm not sure how many of them they have.


And M-60 tanks are still operated by the Turks and Taiwan. The Turkish M60T Sabra II and III and the Taiwanese upgrades both have 120mm guns and current generation optics and fire control.

Denmark sends all of its 19 French CAESAR self-propelled howitzers to Ukraine
🇩🇰🤝🇺🇦https://t.co/3lYxU978Pe pic.twitter.com/X3ASN4juSf

— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) January 19, 2023

Ukraine is getting CV-90s, Bradleys, Challenger 2s, Archers, CAESAR, etc.

Meanwhile on vatnik twitter: pic.twitter.com/xerlFFmTcM

— Def Mon (@DefMon3) January 19, 2023

As we talked about on last night's stream, Ukraine has completely captured Novoselivske. They control everything up to the train station. pic.twitter.com/Fltnfzdj6F

— Andrew Perpetua (@AndrewPerpetua) January 18, 2023

Made a version with GMLRS range as a reference. pic.twitter.com/LRMv4MyNHU

— Def Mon (@DefMon3) January 18, 2023

Today's SITREP.

So, with regard to Germany holding up shipment of Leopard tanks to Ukraine until the US agrees to ship Abrams to Ukraine, why couldn't we just send Abrams tanks to NATO countries providing Leopard tanks to Ukraine, as a backfill? Then there is no tank depletion in NATO countries and those NATO countries would have more time to train on the Abrams than Ukrainians would. What am I missing on this being the logical solution?

On the strategic front, doesn't the recent saber rattling re:nuclear war only serve to seal Russia's fate? The idea that a nuclear nation could be allowed to annex peaceful neighbors would lead to proliferation on the order of which the world has never seen. Real or imaginary, it seems the US has no choice but to ignore this nuclear posturing. If anything, it would be a call to ramp up support. On the flip-side, traditional weak-kneed partners such as Germany may be swayed by Russia's illogical threats.

Yes, understood on Germany's cowardice here, but by publicly making this offer to backfill NATO tanks with Abrams, we could at least call their bluff and bring clarity about the cowardice motivating their resistance to signing off on providing the Leopards

"In a joint statement, the U.K., Estonia, Latvia, Lithuania, Poland, Denmark, the Czech Republic, the Netherlands, and Slovakia, said that to ensure a Ukrainian battlefield victory in 2023, they would commit to collectively pursuing a combination of main battle tanks and other "unprecedented" weapons for Ukraine."

LEADERSHIP

https://www.visualcapitalist.com/top-25-fleets-of-combat-tanks/

AgLA06 said:

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https://www.visualcapitalist.com/top-25-fleets-of-combat-tanks/

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Quote from the article:

• Of Russia's nearly 13,000 active combat tanks, only a fraction are main battle tanks. A 2021 Russian source estimated that their operational main battle fleet was closer to 2,600 tanks, made up of T-72s, T-80s, and T-90s, with another 400 T-72 variants used as range tanks.

Sweden pitches in. CV90

richardag said:

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AgLA06 said:

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https://www.visualcapitalist.com/top-25-fleets-of-combat-tanks/

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Quote from the article:

• Of Russia's nearly 13,000 active combat tanks, only a fraction are main battle tanks. A 2021 Russian source estimated that their operational main battle fleet was closer to 2,600 tanks, made up of T-72s, T-80s, and T-90s, with another 400 T-72 variants used as range tanks.

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And the key data missing from your excellent highlight above from the article is that this assessment was dated in 2021 PRE INVASION.

Ornyx says 1630 lost to date.

So they are down to 970 and drop to behind Azerbaijan........

I wonder if in 2021 they were considering the T-64s that Russia pulled out of storage

And don't forget they have recovered some Ukraine tanks, not as many as the other way around but there are pictures of them capturing them

With this same thought in mind, what's to stop Poland from sending mig-29's to Ukraine? Especially if we backfill Poland with used F-16's.

...Interesting.

Quote:

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Russian army deployed air defense Pantsyr on the tops of several buildings in Moscow

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https://liveuamap.com/en/2023/19-january-russian-army-deployed-air-defense-pantsyr-on-the

-HARM Anti-Radar Missiles
-More NASAMS Missiles
-2,000 Anti-Armor Rockets
-95,000 Artillery Shells 105mm
-20,000 Artillery Shells 155mm
-11,800 Mortar Shells 120mm
-6 Command Post Vehicles
-34 Other Vehicles
-20 Mine Rollers
-Claymore Anti-Personnel Mines
-3,295,000 Other Rounds

— Ukraine Battle Map (@ukraine_map) January 20, 2023

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With this same thought in mind, what's to stop Poland from sending mig-29's to Ukraine? Especially if we backfill Poland with used F-16's.

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I was thinking the same thing. I'm also wondering if there is a plan in the works to boost the Ukes' airframe capabilities? I know we've bounced around ideas about the A10s or possibly older generation fixed wing fighters, etc.

And since Putin insists on playing the long game and slowly feeding an entire generation into a meat grinder, you'd think there would be (or has been) enough time to train up some Uke pilots on more lethal aircraft options.

It would be a significant force multiplier by increasing the Ukes' attack range throughout the theatre. I think if they could ever gain air superiority, you'd see the battle dynamics begin to shift rapidly in favor of the good guys.

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lb sand said:

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With this same thought in mind, what's to stop Poland from sending mig-29's to Ukraine? Especially if we backfill Poland with used F-16's.

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I was thinking the same thing. I'm also wondering if there is a plan in the works to boost the Ukes' airframe capabilities? I know we've bounced around ideas about the A10s or possibly older generation fixed wing fighters, etc.

And since Putin insists on playing the long game and slowly feeding an entire generation into a meat grinder, you'd think there would be (or has been) enough time to train up some Uke pilots on more lethal aircraft options.

It would be a significant force multiplier by increasing the Ukes' attack range throughout the theatre. I think if they could ever gain air superiority, you'd see the battle dynamics begin to shift rapidly in favor of the good guys.

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I think there's more buzz around F16s than A10s.

Have to be careful with aircraft. Russia has very formidable SAM capabilities even with the losses they have taken.

Another Ukrainian SPG down and out. The new aid package is not even replacing the losses we’ve seen in the past two months. pic.twitter.com/sg4MhKvyDM

— ayden (@squatsons) January 19, 2023

MouthBQ98 said:

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Have to be careful with aircraft. Russia has very formidable SAM capabilities even with the losses they have taken.

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Honest question, do they have those in place in Ukraine? I know they would, or assume they would in mother Russia, but could air assets be safe or at least moderately safe to operate within country?

Have Polish Mig-29s been adapted to cary JDAMs, and other NATO weapons?

Do we have any Phoenix missiles left in inventory that could be integrated in a prototype fashion? It would be interesting to see the Ukes challenge Russian bombers before they launch their cruise missiles.

The issue is coverage of the front lines, and how far beyond them. Their radar network and SAM network can reach. They e been attacked at times with HARM and GMLRS to suppress them for operations but Russia has a vast number of systems and they're actually some of the best.