***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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aezmvp said:


Hope so and makes sense.

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Hungary MOL says has been notified by Ukraine that oil supply to Hungary, Slovakia and Czech Republic via Druzhba pipeline has been temporarily suspended - emailed statement
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/15-november-hungary-mol-says-has-been-notified-by-ukraine

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Hungary MOL says received notification from Ukraine that power station near Druzhba pipeline in Ukraine near Belarussian border was hit by Russian rocket
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/15-november-hungary-mol-says-received-notification-from-ukraine
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No kidding. What's the purpose behind this "captain obvious" type of statement?
Rossticus
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More evidence that it was Uke air defense shooting down Russian cruise missiles on a flight path immediately on/over Polish border from Belarus.



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Rossticus said:

More evidence that it was Uke air defense shooting down Russian cruise missiles on a flight path immediately on/over Polish border from Belarus.




Any chance this was the rocket shot initially? I thought the russians were using their S300s as surface to surface due to lack of supply of other stock. Or would the range be too much for these?
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EastSideAg2002 said:

Rossticus said:

More evidence that it was Uke air defense shooting down Russian cruise missiles on a flight path immediately on/over Polish border from Belarus.




Any chance this was the rocket shot initially? I thought the russians were using their S300s as surface to surface due to lack of supply of other stock. Or would the range be too much for these?


Not in the Lviv area, no. Their sole use there is as air defense.
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Maybe it's time to deny firing any weapons to the Kerch bridge?
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the Belarusian involvement in this conflict is getting to be a real problem
aezmvp
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Rossticus said:

EastSideAg2002 said:

Rossticus said:

More evidence that it was Uke air defense shooting down Russian cruise missiles on a flight path immediately on/over Polish border from Belarus.




Any chance this was the rocket shot initially? I thought the russians were using their S300s as surface to surface due to lack of supply of other stock. Or would the range be too much for these?


Not in the Lviv area, no. Their sole use there is as air defense.
They don't have the range to hit Lviv from Belarus with an S300. this area is just NW of there so only reason for an S300 system to be out there is for AD.
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docb said:

Maybe it's time to deny firing any weapons to the Kerch bridge?


Why would you deny Ukraine the ability to strike strategic targets based on this incident?
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Rossticus said:

docb said:

Maybe it's time to deny firing any weapons to the Kerch bridge?


Why would you deny Ukraine the ability to strike strategic targets based on this incident?
I'm saying blow the **** out of it and deny we did it. Pretty much like the Russians are denying the missiles in Poland.
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2wealfth Man said:

the Belarusian involvement in this conflict is getting to be a real problem


Maybe Poland / NATO provides a no fly zone over an area within x miles of the border and Belarus is sanctioned for their involvement. I would rather not have NATO involvement at all, but i can see it happening.
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docb said:

Rossticus said:

docb said:

Maybe it's time to deny firing any weapons to the Kerch bridge?


Why would you deny Ukraine the ability to strike strategic targets based on this incident?
I'm saying blow the **** out of it and deny we did it. Pretty much like the Russians are denying the missiles in Poland.


Ok. Misunderstood.
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2wealfth Man said:

the Belarusian involvement in this conflict is getting to be a real problem
Excactly. Belarus needs to be slapped back a bit for this. The missile originated from them. Time to send a message.
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aezmvp
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docb said:

Rossticus said:

docb said:

Maybe it's time to deny firing any weapons to the Kerch bridge?


Why would you deny Ukraine the ability to strike strategic targets based on this incident?
I'm saying blow the **** out of it and deny we did it. Pretty much like the Russians are denying the missiles in Poland.
Great but you're still dealing with Turkey in the mix there. Not sure why we should do it instead of just giving the Ukes a couple of dozen ATACAMs escorted by some expendable CIA flunkies to go hit it.
Rossticus
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Looks like S-300s and KH-101s have visually similar components. Could conceivably be air defense or Russian cruise missile.

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aezmvp said:

docb said:

Rossticus said:

docb said:

Maybe it's time to deny firing any weapons to the Kerch bridge?


Why would you deny Ukraine the ability to strike strategic targets based on this incident?
I'm saying blow the **** out of it and deny we did it. Pretty much like the Russians are denying the missiles in Poland.
Great but you're still dealing with Turkey in the mix there. Not sure why we should do it instead of just giving the Ukes a couple of dozen ATACAMs escorted by some expendable CIA flunkies to go hit it.
That works for me. I'm just kind of assuming that us giving them the capability might as well be us doing it.
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Air defense is active near Dnipro city, reportedly engaging loitering munitions

https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/15-november-air-defense-is-active-near-dnipro-city-reportedly
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I didn't see this earlier.



Rossticus
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I predict Hungary joins the Russian alliance.
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Waffledynamics
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I'm unsure if that's accurate.

Rossticus
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"Indeed, so far everything indicates that a Russian missile or cruise missiles fell on Przewodw in the Lublin province.

And I emphasize again: we are not intentionally attacked by anyone. There is no reason to fear and panic. We are not threatened by war. The security of the country is not at risk.

I've had a telephone conversation with an expert who assessed that the remains of this cruise missile look like the remains of a Kh-101 missile. Such cruise missiles were used by the Russians today to fire at targets in Ukraine."



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I think everyone needs to give this one 48-72 hours to begin to get an idea of what really happened. Everything right now is pretty much conjecture.
EastSideAg2002
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Waffledynamics said:

I'm unsure if that's accurate.


IF this is accurate, I would consider that a major escalation. They would be attempting to prevent NATO/EU from aiding Ukraine by attacking Polish infrastructure. It seems they would be attempting to prevent UKR from having any viable electricity.
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This guy is interesting but I have no way to validate his work.

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FriscoKid said:


Not to dig this up from a few pages back for no reason, but I just want to point out that Russia's intel sucks so badly that Zelensky can just show up, in the open, in recently liberated towns of importance and nothing happens. Their media was livid about him doing it in Izyum. I haven't seen anything yet about Kherson, but they can't be happy.
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CNN and some other western journos had their creds stripped for showing up and running that piece they did in violation of Ukes' media requirements. Lucky they didn't get a bunch of folks killed. Lucky Russia is so effing stupid.
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