Russian strike on Odessa port hit Ukrainian 'military infrastructure': Moscow — AFP
— Ragıp Soylu (@ragipsoylu) July 24, 2022
Tonight, the strike was 70 kilometers to the rear of Russian forces. According to the reports base-barracks of Ru soldiers. Khrustalnyi, Lugansk region.#Ukraine pic.twitter.com/mSHtioKdmu
— Special Kherson Cat 🐈🇺🇦 (@bayraktar_1love) July 24, 2022
Screw them. We know what Russian "green corridors" turned out to be.74OA said:
Russia wants "green corridor" to evacuate trapped troops.
No way. Only exit is to surrender enroute to a POW camp.
Use them to exchange for the thousands of children Russia abducted from Ukraine.
CHIPS
UPDATE
As far as I can tell, Oryx is a somewhat reliable source, but that effort certainly won't be real time, 100% accurate. I wouldn't be surprised if the higher-ups (especially in Russia) don't even truly know their losses.Red1 said:
I wish I had the metrics. I want to know how attrition is and will impact both sides. Wars tend to be decided by attrition to critical weapons systems and or resources. For example, in WWII the Japanese losing all her carriers and Germany losing most of her experienced pilots contributed greatly to losing the war. I don't know the impact of HIMARS tactically, operationally, and strategically. It appears the Russians are facing an attrition problem with their ground forces, but yet again I have no metrics.
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/24-july-ukrainian-military-destroyed-russian-s300-near-zelenotropynskeQuote:
Ukrainian military destroyed Russian S-300 near Zelenotropynske in Kherson region
Дві С-300 рашистів яскраво догорають десь на Херсонщині.
— Анатолій Штефан (Штірліц) (@Shtirlitz53) July 24, 2022
Слава Україні та її воїнам 🇺🇦
Telegram - https://t.co/GLExONwd4u pic.twitter.com/jL6nyqhikj
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/24-july-explosions-reported-in-tavriisk-kherson-regionQuote:
Explosions reported in Tavriisk, Kherson region
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/24-july-ukrainian-air-defence-shot-down-3-russian-cruiseQuote:
Ukrainian air defence shot down 3 Russian cruise missile launched from Black Sea in Khmelnitsky region
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/24-july-railway-destroyed-in-overnight-explosions-near-novobohdanivkaQuote:
Railway destroyed in overnight explosions near Novobohdanivka of Melitopol district
I believe this is at least two S300s and possibly three.Waffledynamics said:https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/24-july-ukrainian-military-destroyed-russian-s300-near-zelenotropynskeQuote:
Ukrainian military destroyed Russian S-300 near Zelenotropynske in Kherson regionДві С-300 рашистів яскраво догорають десь на Херсонщині.
— Анатолій Штефан (Штірліц) (@Shtirlitz53) July 24, 2022
Слава Україні та її воїнам 🇺🇦
Telegram - https://t.co/GLExONwd4u pic.twitter.com/jL6nyqhikjhttps://liveuamap.com/en/2022/24-july-explosions-reported-in-tavriisk-kherson-regionQuote:
Explosions reported in Tavriisk, Kherson region
Link (Twitter has flagged this as sensitive content, and that messes up the normal embed)
Waffledynamics said:https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/24-july-railway-destroyed-in-overnight-explosions-near-novobohdanivkaQuote:
Railway destroyed in overnight explosions near Novobohdanivka of Melitopol district
Here is one of many recent evidence of attrition on soldiers. Make sure you have the volume up for a good laugh with the defenders of their homeland.Red1 said:
I wish I had the metrics. I want to know how attrition is and will impact both sides. Wars tend to be decided by attrition to critical weapons systems and or resources. For example, in WWII the Japanese losing all her carriers and Germany losing most of her experienced pilots contributed greatly to losing the war. I don't know the impact of HIMARS tactically, operationally, and strategically. It appears the Russians are facing an attrition problem with their ground forces, but yet again I have no metrics.
Not sure, but didn't Russia also move their train unloading points farther back due to the threat of HIMARS?FriscoKid said:Waffledynamics said:https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/24-july-railway-destroyed-in-overnight-explosions-near-novobohdanivkaQuote:
Railway destroyed in overnight explosions near Novobohdanivka of Melitopol district
Is that on their main supply line? If so then they are in trouble. They are bringing everything in on rail.
74OA said:
Russia wants "green corridor" to evacuate trapped troops.
No way. Only exit is to surrender enroute to a POW camp.
Use them to exchange for the thousands of children Russia abducted from Ukraine, Mariupol defenders and the condemned international fighters awaiting execution.
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UPDATE
https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/24-july-reportedly-a-drone-shot-down-over-dnipropetrovskQuote:
Reportedly a drone shot down over Dnipropetrovsk region
Yes and repositioned naval unloading areas as well.Waffledynamics said:Not sure, but didn't Russia also move their train unloading points farther back due to the threat of HIMARS?FriscoKid said:Waffledynamics said:https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/24-july-railway-destroyed-in-overnight-explosions-near-novobohdanivkaQuote:
Railway destroyed in overnight explosions near Novobohdanivka of Melitopol district
Is that on their main supply line? If so then they are in trouble. They are bringing everything in on rail.
North of Melitopul. LIkely a major line but could just stop and unload in Melitopul a few miles south of this location. This also appears it could be fixed in a day or two.Waffledynamics said:Not sure, but didn't Russia also move their train unloading points farther back due to the threat of HIMARS?FriscoKid said:Waffledynamics said:https://liveuamap.com/en/2022/24-july-railway-destroyed-in-overnight-explosions-near-novobohdanivkaQuote:
Railway destroyed in overnight explosions near Novobohdanivka of Melitopol district
Is that on their main supply line? If so then they are in trouble. They are bringing everything in on rail.
In the last 3 weeks Russia failed to capture a single Ukrainian cornfield. HIMARS, Panzerhaubitzen 2000, M777s, M109s, AHS Krabs, CAESARs, Javelins, polish-supplied T-72s variants, they are all paying off.
— WorldOnAlert (@worldonalert) July 24, 2022
Quote:
'Moscow Calling', a Russian Telegram channel, notably defined the arrival of HIMARS as a distinct turning point in the war and stated that previously provided Western weapons systems (such as NLAWs, Javelins, Stingers, and Bayraktars) did very little against Russian artillery bombardment (they are not designed or intended to counter artillery attack), but that HIMARS changed everything for Russian capabilities in Ukraine. 'Moscow Calling' strongly insinuated that recent Ukrainian strikes on Russian warehouses, communication hubs, and rear bases are having a devastating and potentially irreversible impact on the development of future Russian offensives.
Yes and these precision strikes are only ramping up. Eventually they will lead to serious fractures in Russian front line capability, allowing the Uke counter attacks to penetrate deeper into occupied territory.Red Pear Realty said:In the last 3 weeks Russia failed to capture a single Ukrainian cornfield. HIMARS, Panzerhaubitzen 2000, M777s, M109s, AHS Krabs, CAESARs, Javelins, polish-supplied T-72s variants, they are all paying off.
— WorldOnAlert (@worldonalert) July 24, 2022
How hard the fight is to retake Kherson depends entirely on how badly the orc troops in Kherson really want to keep it. The fight to take Mariupol was so bloody for the orcs because of how badly the Ukes wanted to keep the city in friendly hands. I don't think the orc troops have the same level of motivation and are far more likely to turn tail and run instead of digging in and fighting door to door. In addition, most of the population left in the city will be doing everything in their power to point the orc positions out to the Ukrainians and to shoot them in the back when given a chance.benchmark said:
Broken record here ... but I'm totally okay with 'island hopping' around Kherson City for the grand prize - Nova Kakhovka. Taking Kherson means weeks of bloody urban warfare that will destroy the city. Instead, encircle the city and pivot to the hydro-elec dam at Kakhovka 35 miles upstream. Taking the dam means trapping >10k Orks on the north bank and restoring Ukrainian control over the only fresh water supply to Crimea.
lb3 said:
One of the things that isn't getting much coverage is how Russian artillery is being degraded simply by wear and tear and overall lack of maintenance.
One of the phone intercepts a page or two back had a Russian soldier complaining about how their barrels were worn out and they were measuring their misses in kilometers.
Quote:
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Ukraine Poised for Major Southern Offensive
With its sights set on Kherson, the economically vital port city that fell to Russian forces in the first days of the war, the Ukrainian military is destroying Russian ammunition depots, hitting command posts and targeting supply lines. The coming fight with deeply entrenched Russian forces will likely be brutal.
. . .
The road to Russian-occupied Kherson in southern Ukraine passes through a no-man's land of charred wheat fields and cratered villages. The tails of rockets stick out of asphalt and the boom of incoming and outgoing artillery ricochets off tidy abandoned homes.
Along a jagged frontline, Ukrainian forces are preparing for one of the most ambitious and significant military actions of the war: retaking Kherson. The first city to fall to Russian forces, Kherson and the fertile lands that surround it are a key Russian beachhead, from which its military continuously launches attacks across a broad swath of Ukrainian territory. Regaining control could also help restore momentum to Ukraine, and give its troops a much-needed morale boost, after months of vicious fighting.
. . .
Already, fighting on the western and northern borders of the region is intensifying, as Ukrainian forces currently about 30 miles from the city at their closest point lay the groundwork for a large offensive push. For a month, Ukrainian artillery and rocket forces have been softening up Russian positions using an array of new, Western-supplied weapons like the High Mobility Artillery Rocket Systems, or HIMARS, provided by the United States.
The strikes, some captured on video, have taken out forward command centers and key ammunition depots, which erupt in glittery fireballs when struck, Ukrainian officials say. They claim that hundreds of Russian troops have been killed and that the attacks have disrupted Russia's logistical infrastructure. Supply warehouses and command positions have been pushed back from the front lines, they say, making it harder for Russia to keep its soldiers armed and fed. (Their claims cannot all be independently verified.)
. . .
Unlike in Ukraine's eastern Donbas region, where a massive Russian force continues to gobble up territory, in the Kherson Region, the Ukrainian military appears to have begun to turn the tide, if haltingly. After losing control over most of the region in the war's first weeks, Ukrainian troops have now liberated 44 towns and villages along the border regions, about 15 percent of the territory, according to the Kherson Region military governor, Dmytro Butrii.
Ukraine's top officials have given no clear timeline for retaking Kherson, but President Volodymyr Zelensky has made clear it is a top priority.
"Our forces are moving into the region step by step," Mr. Zelensky said this week.
A Ukrainian counteroffensive in the south has stirred debate among Western officials and some analysts about whether Ukraine was ready for such a big effort, or if it is the best use of resources when the Russian advances have come mostly in the Donbas.
Still, Ukrainian officials, and several Western intelligence officials, said it was important that Ukraine try to launch a counterattack. They say that the Russian military is in a relatively weaker position, having expended weapons and personnel in its Donbas offensive. Richard Moore, the chief of the British foreign intelligence service, MI6, predicted that the Russians would be forced to take a pause, offering an opening to Ukrainian forces.
Any effort to retake significant territory would nevertheless be a huge undertaking. Russian forces have now occupied the Kherson region for nearly five months and have been largely unmolested in their efforts to harden military positions and prepare for an assault. They have installed new leaders in the city itself as well as in major towns and villages.
In preparation for a possible referendum on uniting with Russia, the Kremlin-installed military administration in Kherson announced this month that it was creating a central elections commission.
Retaking Kherson would require an enormous number of troops and many more offensive weapons systems than Ukraine has available at the moment, both Western and Ukrainian officials say.
The Kherson Region is largely rural, but the city of Kherson is a sprawling metropolis straddling the Dnipro River. Taking it back from Russian forces could involve vicious urban fighting with enormous losses in soldiers and property.
. . .
The Ukrainian army will also have to consider the large civilian population. The city has lost about a third of its prewar population of about 300,000, though an all-out assault that involves shelling could put civilian lives at great risk, something Ukrainian officials seem to be conscious of.
Just in: @NATO to send mobile anti-drone weapons to #Ukraine.
— KyivPost (@KyivPost) July 25, 2022
According to the #Alliance's chief @jensstoltenberg, it will also send medicament and equipment against #mines and #chemical and biological weapons.
I guess it depends on if you'd expect them to fight or fold when cut off with no means of escape.LMCane said:
is it better to leave one exfil avenue for the Russkies trapped north of the Dnieper along the Kherson line (there are two bridges and a dam)
or take them all out- leaving the Russkies completely cut off from resupply and besieged on three sides (with the river at their back that they can't get across)
The article links to a twitter thread that lead me to this quality control gem from a Russian BMP:docb said:lb3 said:
One of the things that isn't getting much coverage is how Russian artillery is being degraded simply by wear and tear and overall lack of maintenance.
One of the phone intercepts a page or two back had a Russian soldier complaining about how their barrels were worn out and they were measuring their misses in kilometers.
Saw this today
https://www.reddit.com/r/UkrainianConflict/comments/w77yps/a_russian_2s7m_pionmalka_203mm_selfpropelled/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
@PhillipsPOBrien @JominiW @noclador @GlasnostGone @DefMon3 perhaps you will be interested, this barrel from the Russian BMP was filmed by Ukrainians. pic.twitter.com/S4AGIWypPw
— General Moshe (@GenerMo) July 24, 2022
