AgBQ-00 said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Not able to corroborate this so FWIW.

Admiral Makarov! pic.twitter.com/z9jYEm3wVG

— blue blue (@ArielJestJeden) May 6, 2022

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Was it starting to roll there at the end?

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Looks more like camera roll. It doesn't look like it's listing, but it could still be taking on water. I bet it's towed to Sevastopol but it of action for at least several months.

Unless the Ukrainians are huge a-holes and shoot at it again or launch more missiles while it's under tow. That's probably what I would do knowing it's hit, out of action, and not dead.

Wikipedia article locked until May 13th because of "vandalism".



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_frigate_Admiral_Makarov

If the Ukrainians have the means, I suspect they'll take another shot, although from the looks of it the Makarov is not out of the woods yet.

2000AgPhD said:

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If the Ukrainians have the means, I suspect they'll take another shot, although from the looks of it the Makarov is not out of the woods yet.

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It looked like a slight list to starboard. I'd hit it again if I could to at least make damn sure anything towing it was scared out of their wits. Scared sailors make mistakes, Scared non-combat sailors will try and rush things and the worst thing you can do to a damaged ship is rush it and break more stuff or put it in more danger. Especially if it is taking on water at some point. There is a reason why they say fire is the most deadly thing onboard a ship. Hopefully this is a diving attraction shortly too.

Edit: The other thing this does is make a landing anywhere, especially in Moldova, incredibly risky. Odessa is basically already out of the cards. I'd be pissed if I was in the Black Sea Fleet. Pissed and really watching my operational areas.

They don't have a ton of these missiles. It's a new program that wasn't even fully online when the war started. The ship is out of service for a while. The coup de grace may not be worth the cost.

Supposedly the Russian ships have stayed 100 miles off the coast for this exact reason. They've been unable to protect Snake Island because of that, and the bayraktars are feasting. When Russia sent the raptor class patrol boats, they were sitting ducks without the air cover of the frigates. I don't think a landing anywhere is a realistic consideration for the Russians. They're scared ****less of the coast.

Captain Positivity said:

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They don't have a ton of these missiles. It's a new program that wasn't even fully online when the war started. The ship is out of service for a while. The coup de grace may not be worth the cost.

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I wonder if it would be possible for someone else to make the missiles and give them back to Ukraine.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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Pretty sure that's where her Buk launcher and VLS cells are. I hope they cooked some warheads off, but the Makarov doesn't pack the giant ASM's that Moskva did. I don't think there's anything critical there unless she's taking on water and they can't stop it because of the fire.

I hope it goes under though. Would be a huge embarrassment (not that being on fire isn't already). That's a very expensive ship. The Indians are building 2 under license for roughly $250 million each. I would venture that the Russians may have spent more and kept the really nice things to themselves, but who knows. Either way, having your $250 million boat burning on the open sea is not a good look.

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Yeah, fighting any fire on a ship is a double edged sword. If you put enough water on it to get it out, you risk putting more water in than you can get back out.

ABATTBQ11 said:

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Pretty sure that's where her Buk launcher and VLS cells are. I hope they cooked some warheads off, but the Makarov doesn't pack the giant ASM's that Moskva did. I don't think there's anything critical there unless she's taking on water and they can't stop it because of the fire.

I hope it goes under though. Would be a huge embarrassment (not that being on fire isn't already). That's a very expensive ship. The Indians are building 2 under license for roughly $250 million each. I would venture that the Russians may have spent more and kept the really nice things to themselves, but who knows. Either way, having your $250 million boat burning on the open sea is not a good look.

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as it happens I work with a guy who was in in the Navy and had one of vertical launchers fail during a fire order during Kosovo. He immediately flooded the indivdual tube/cell and squashed whatever was going wrong.

I asked him if the Russians had that safety piece and he said probably not as they don't value the sailor/life as we do. If that foward cell is afire, they might be in a world of hurt.

On second thought, they should send bayraktars after it to hit the superstructure. That's where all the expensive stuff is, and its worth the cost of the bayraktar and missiles. Plus, I doubt anyone is manning the AA systems.

The area just to the west of Odessa is basically a couple of km to the breakaway part of Moldova. Thats what Im referring to.

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JFABNRGR said:

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MeatDr said:

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oldmanguy said:

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I thought that island was recaptured by the Ukes?

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No, it's not recaptured yet, but it seems that way the way they've pretty much been firing at will on Russian positions on and around the island.

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I think its interesting that TB2s are being used to attack on the island and or small russian boats in the area. I would think there is higher priorities for the TB2 like Mariupol. Could be blocking effort to prevent landing force in the Odessa/Transnitia area that has been chatted up recently or the start of something more to come. The island is 140KM south of Odessa. I do think the whole Moldova/Transnistria thing is simply a diversion/feint to help prevent massing counter forces in the east where the real russian threat is.

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aggiehawg said:

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Not able to corroborate this so FWIW.

Admiral Makarov! pic.twitter.com/z9jYEm3wVG

— blue blue (@ArielJestJeden) May 6, 2022

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Some of the OSINT accounts think this might be Arma video game footage overlayed with something else to make it look like it's zoomed in low quality footage of the ship. Conveniently that game does have this class of ship in it. It could be real, but nobody is taking it as proof yet.

MeatDr said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Not able to corroborate this so FWIW.

Admiral Makarov! pic.twitter.com/z9jYEm3wVG

— blue blue (@ArielJestJeden) May 6, 2022

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Some of the OSINT accounts think this might be Arma video game footage overlayed with something else to make it look like it's zoomed in low quality footage of the ship. Conveniently that game does have this class of ship in it. It could be real, but nobody is taking it as proof yet.

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it'd have to be either sped up or something flying low and fast... like really fast. Or really close. On first viewing I was surprised how much lateral movement the video has.

I'm guessing fake as well.

2000AgPhD said:

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If the Ukrainians have the means, I suspect they'll take another shot, although from the looks of it the Makarov is not out of the woods yet.

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If the Ukes are even more intelligent- they will fire at the towboats and sink them.

no one coming to rescue the remnants of the Black Sea Fleet anymore

Decay said:

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MeatDr said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Not able to corroborate this so FWIW.

Admiral Makarov! pic.twitter.com/z9jYEm3wVG

— blue blue (@ArielJestJeden) May 6, 2022

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Some of the OSINT accounts think this might be Arma video game footage overlayed with something else to make it look like it's zoomed in low quality footage of the ship. Conveniently that game does have this class of ship in it. It could be real, but nobody is taking it as proof yet.

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it'd have to be either sped up or something flying low and fast... like really fast. Or really close. On first viewing I was surprised how much lateral movement the video has.

I'm guessing fake as well.

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Even if fake, there is a lot of activity there and other signs pointing towards something being hit.

JFABNRGR said:

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MeatDr said:

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Maybe that same Switchblade in its final moments.

Reportedly the first video of a Switchblade loitering munition strike on Russian troops by Ukraine's 53rd Mechanized Brigade.https://t.co/dF8RlPWm5a pic.twitter.com/6XKnm7SLBI

— Rob Lee (@RALee85) May 6, 2022

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Looks like it air burst a few feet off the ground which is good. May have inflicted damage through the firing position window, that has the fortified roof closest to road, but doesn't appear to have done any damage to the troops further back in the trench.

Hope to see better effectiveness on future vids.

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Russkies have zero defenses against Switchblades.

the longer this war drags on, every single day the Ukes can be eliminating pockets of Russian troops. That will prove demoralizing to any thoughts of future advances.

aezmvp said:

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The area just to the west of Odessa is basically a couple of km to the breakaway part of Moldova. Thats what Im referring to.

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That area is Ukraine

ABATTBQ11 said:

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Decay said:

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MeatDr said:

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aggiehawg said:

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Not able to corroborate this so FWIW.

Admiral Makarov! pic.twitter.com/z9jYEm3wVG

— blue blue (@ArielJestJeden) May 6, 2022

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Some of the OSINT accounts think this might be Arma video game footage overlayed with something else to make it look like it's zoomed in low quality footage of the ship. Conveniently that game does have this class of ship in it. It could be real, but nobody is taking it as proof yet.

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it'd have to be either sped up or something flying low and fast... like really fast. Or really close. On first viewing I was surprised how much lateral movement the video has.

I'm guessing fake as well.

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Even if fake, there is a lot of activity there and other signs pointing towards something being hit.

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I'm betting it happened

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ETA: I believe the quotes are the Weiss's editorialization.

GAC06 said:

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aezmvp said:

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2000AgPhD said:

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If the Ukrainians have the means, I suspect they'll take another shot, although from the looks of it the Makarov is not out of the woods yet.

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It looked like a slight list to starboard. I'd hit it again if I could to at least make damn sure anything towing it was scared out of their wits. Scared sailors make mistakes, Scared non-combat sailors will try and rush things and the worst thing you can do to a damaged ship is rush it and break more stuff or put it in more danger. Especially if it is taking on water at some point. There is a reason why they say fire is the most deadly thing onboard a ship. Hopefully this is a diving attraction shortly too.

Edit: The other thing this does is make a landing anywhere, especially in Moldova, incredibly risky. Odessa is basically already out of the cards. I'd be pissed if I was in the Black Sea Fleet. Pissed and really watching my operational areas.

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Moldova doesn't have a coast so getting a ship there would be quite a feat

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Would be the greatest portage feat in naval history.

PJYoung said:

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This made my day. Strong message to Germany 🇩🇪 though pic.twitter.com/PQgGt3GH8l

— Lesia Vasylenko (@lesiavasylenko) May 6, 2022

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This is epic, like many of the other PR MSGs put forth by UKR in the last 2+ months. Whomever this person or team is needs special recognition when this over. Clearly multiple jobs out there for them at some point. If Trump is running again he should look into putting them on the campaign!

What a multipronged war effort by Ukraine.

txags92 said:

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Rossticus said:

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Reply to this says it's Izyum and not Kharkiv.

pic.twitter.com/tjgcEvJh6p

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) May 5, 2022

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Ukes are pushing east from Kharkiv to cut off the supply lines north of Izyum, so probably 6 of one and half dozen of the other.

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supposedly there is a new pontoon bridge that the Ukes have built over the Siverskiy Donets River

near Stalyi Saltiv which would give their forces ingress to the eastern shore of the river

and allow them to get to the northeast of the Russian forces besieging the Izyum pocket.

let's hope so.