Waffledynamics said:

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FJB said:

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EXCLUSIVE: U.S. intel helped Ukraine sink Russian flagship Moskva, officials say https://t.co/AqqLrNnRwC via @nbcnews

— Ken Dilanian (@KenDilanianNBC) May 5, 2022

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Again, these people need to be quiet and just do. Don't say. Do.

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Opera Non Verba

Rossticus said:

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Nobody has to put boots on the ground in order to respond. Massive conventional standoff precision strikes to Russian assets in Ukraine as a response. Allowing for nuclear deployment even at theater level for the sole purpose of turning the tide of a purely offensive incursion into another country would have absurdly negative ramifications toward normalizing that for Russia in Ukraine as well as for other rogue nations. That's a phenomenal red line.

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At that point it's open war between NATO and Russia - the Ruskies will certainly see it that way.
I agree it should be a phenomenal red line. Clearly Russia will be no match conventionally. Which will quickly bring us to the alternative - potential nuclear war. NATO is rational, Putin might not be at that point. Which is why i think NATO will let him get away with it.

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Rossticus said:

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Nobody has to put boots on the ground in order to respond. Massive conventional standoff precision strikes to Russian assets in Ukraine as a response. Allowing for nuclear deployment even at theater level for the sole purpose of turning the tide of a purely offensive incursion into another country would have absurdly negative ramifications toward normalizing that for Russia in Ukraine as well as for other rogue nations. That's a phenomenal red line.

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At that point it's open war between NATO and Russia - the Ruskies will certainly see it that way.
I agree it should be a phenomenal red line. Clearly Russia will be no match conventionally. Which will quickly bring us to the alternative - potential nuclear war. NATO is rational, Putin might not be at that point. Which is why i think NATO will let him get away with it.

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Russia won't attack a NATO country outside of Ukraine even in that instance, IMO. He hasn't been willing to attack arms shipments before they cross the border nor has he shot down surveillance aircraft (even unmanned) in the Black Sea. He's shown no signs of being willing to make a leap that nonsensically far up the escalatory ladder.

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Meanwhile on Russian state TV: lawmaker Aleksey Zhuravlyov is arguing that Russia might use tactical nuclear weapons in Ukraine and get away with it. pic.twitter.com/jBb7EWy7GQ

— Julia Davis (@JuliaDavisNews) May 5, 2022

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There are sympathizers on here saying the same thing.

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I think they can get away with it. I just don't see any Western leader who will be willing to do risk their own soldiers lives over Ukraine.

I think there are three four things holding Putin back:
- The false reports of success that he is most likely getting from his generals
- The complete and utter isolation that will occur - it will go beyond NKorea levels
- The huge influx of conventional weapons and "volunteers" into Ukraine
- There really isn't a "big" Ukrainian military target that he can use a tactical nuke against

Hopefully one of his generals puts a bullet in Putin's head before he uses tactical nuclear weapons. The longer this goes on, the more likely the chance he will use them because he's going to get desperate.

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We most likely won't nuke them in return, but we will likely unleash our Air Force and navy to utterly destroy the offensive capability of the Russian armed forces.

Minor point but I don't believe Italy has any global hawks. NATO jointly operates a few and we fly them out of NAS Sigonella

Could be nato, I was just reading the registered country listing off the ads exchange which showed Italy and has only been flying about half of what forte10 and forte11 (US) have been flying. yes almost always out of sicily for all 3.

A great video talking about the sinking of the Moskva by a Dutch sailor who has experience dealing with Russian warships. He talks about the air defense systems and how they operate on Russian ships. Also goes into detail about what he noticed when interacting with the Russian Navy when they passed through the Dutch straits and how differently they did things. Rye Russian army's strict time schedules and not varying from orders has become a pretty common thread throughout the invasion, and it appears the navy is similarly managed.

He is not a subscriber to the idea that they were distracted by a drone. He thinks it was likely human error given the requirement for a lot of manual operation of their AA systems. Their systems are very powerful but require skilled human operators who are paying close attention and who can manually relay info to other systems with speed and accuracy.

If this is true, wow. Very possible they caught them on another patterned time schedule and that that ship doesn't have near the anti-air capability as the Moskva.

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If this is true, wow. Very possible they caught them on another patterned time schedule and that that ship doesn't have near the anti-air capability as the Moskva.

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Actually, I take that back a little bit. They don't have the long range S300 systems but they have a ton of short range AA missiles on board. Two CIWS.

Looks like it has been used to launch cruise missiles.

It is also pretty much a brand new ship, commissioned in 2017. Not a retrofitted Soviet ship. Likely has all of the modern electronics the Russian Navy has to offer.

Captain Positivity said:

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Captain Positivity said:

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If this is true, wow. Very possible they caught them on another patterned time schedule and that that ship doesn't have near the anti-air capability as the Moskva.

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Actually, I take that back a little bit. They don't have the long range S300 systems but they have a ton of short range AA missiles on board. Two CIWS.

Looks like it has been used to launch cruise missiles.

It is also pretty much a brand new ship, commissioned in 2017. Not a retrofitted Soviet ship. Likely has all of the modern electronics the Russian Navy has to offer.

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Forte11 is out there right now, so we will hopefully get some more definitive reports soon.

and hasn't squawked in about 20+ min as the pos. hasn't changed.

⚡️ Pentagon: US does not help Ukraine ‘target’ Russian generals.

Pentagon spokesman John Kirby denied the claim made by the New York Times, but confirmed that the U.S. supplies Ukraine with military intelligence “to help Ukrainians defend their country.”

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) May 5, 2022

A Before, During, and After set of videos as Ukrainans take back a town.

Recently released footage from Ukrainian operations near Kharkiv which resulted in regaining Ruska Lozova by the Ukrainian Special Unit Kraken & SF of Main Intelligence Directorate.

Part 1 shows preparations, recon and mortar strikes toward Russians positions.#Russia #Ukraine pic.twitter.com/qYJ3Pkvabd

— BlueSauron👁️ (@Blue_Sauron) May 4, 2022

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Oh, please…

There are Unconfirmed reports from some Ukrainian Sources that the Russian Naval Ship the Admiral Makarov which is a Admiral Grigorovich-Class Frigate operating within the Black Sea has been struck by Ukrainian Anti-Ship Missiles off the Coast, so far there is no evidence. pic.twitter.com/Zbis8w6Nax

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) May 5, 2022

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Unfortunately, it looks like it's probably not true. Would love to be wrong.

No unusual activity on Russian Black Fleet 3531 CW kHz. Sevastopol sending routine cipher messages with at least 4 ships receiving the messages. No increase in ciphers etc. My apologies for the bad news.

— redandblackattack (@redanblacattack) May 6, 2022

Way to go Russia…

Full Thread:
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1522242974570188807.html

In the video, she appears to say that she greeted whom she thought were Russian soldiers with a Soviet flag in an attempt to stop them from destroying her town. The interview is heavily edited, however, so it’s possible that her remarks are being distorted.

— Kevin Rothrock (@KevinRothrock) May 5, 2022

“I just came out to tell them not to crush us, to resolve things peacefully […] and now I’ve ended up a traitor,” Anna says, as voices behind the camera insist that she isn’t a traitor.

— Kevin Rothrock (@KevinRothrock) May 5, 2022

***UPDATE***

Identification and geolocation of #Russian warships in Sevastopol, Crimea.

Note that the hull numbers are painted over.

Photos posted by @InfoResist pic.twitter.com/BWOBchn03Q

— H I Sutton (@CovertShores) May 5, 2022

Looks like the entire fleet is chilling in port

#Kharkiv Update Thread:#Ukrainian forces did not make any confirmed advances in the last 24 hours but repelled #Russian attempts to regain lost positions. 2/2https://t.co/CSPSeaQslo

— ISW (@TheStudyofWar) May 6, 2022

🇷🇺 Unsubstantiated reports that the Russian Navy frigate Admiral Makarov - Адмирал Макаров may have been hit and sunk by a Neptune missile.

Will be looking into this and will keep you updated with any news/confirmation. pic.twitter.com/2nT1El3j7g

— OSINT-1988 (@OSINT88) May 5, 2022

Edit: Rossticus already posted above.

Uke rescue teams

Horenka (Горенка), Kyiv Oblast pic.twitter.com/ii0hlFct94

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) May 6, 2022

Never mind

Logic isn't really their strong suit. Ukrainians are anti-Slavic (Nazi) Slavs because they've been manipulated by the US for decades to do our nefarious Russophobic Nazi bidding. This is what they're going with.

Russian forces have reportedly moved north of Mariupol, leaving a small number equivalent of “a couple of battalion tactical groups” in the city.

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) May 6, 2022