***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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deddog said:

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If that Uke tank could shoot, that could have gotten real ugly for the Russians.

He was set up in the perfect ambush spot.
That solo effort with little or no (visible) infantry support might be worthy of their equivalent to a service cross.

Nice job.
That one shot at :23 looks like Molotovs being thrown out of that building
I don't think it's molotovs.
That's the after effect of the BTRs firing into the building.

And where were the soldiers running to? all in all, one heck of a chaotic scene. and the Russians seemed to have no idea where the fire was coming from.
Thoe aren't molotovs. Those are the tracer tips coming off of rounds being fired
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How many soldiers were exposed?
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Same link.

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The Russians admit they treated 200 soldiers for radiation poisoning. That is probably only a small percentage of those affected. There were probably at least 800 to 1000 Russian soldiers committed to defending Chernobyl from the Ukrainians. Others were there for limited times. Russians who received less but still deadly doses will not develop symptoms for weeks, months or even years. When they do, we can be sure Putin will not announce it to the world.
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Another fate awaits Russian soldiers who received less than fatal doses. In 1986, communist officials forced at least 30,000 Soviet citizens living near the Chernobyl plant to move in the aftermath of the explosion. They were given six hours warning to collect a few belongings and then were bussed throughout the USSR.

The Russians did not allow anyone to keep records regarding their disposition or future medical conditions. Even today, there is no history of how many of them died due to the 1986 radiation poisoning. One Russian doctor with close Kremlin connections estimates more than 100,000 people have died due to radiation-caused cancers following the first Chernobyl radiation exposure.
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I think the reports were 5 or 6 buses.
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TRM said:

I think the reports were 5 or 6 buses.
Seven buses.

ETA: That were observed, that is. Could have been more.
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I know the Russians are issueing new conscript orders for 150k+/-. Does anyone know what is going on the Ukraine side.
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Too bad it wasn't 5,000.
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I have wondered that myself. are there any rail choke points near the border that are targets with what the Ukrainians have at hteir disposal.
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MouthBQ98 said:

Ukraine might have to invade part of Russia they aren't defending well, then trade it back for their own territory, if the Russians are well dug in in the east.
That would be an interesting escalation. I asked previously if the Ukes had the ability to maneuver through Russian territory to flank eastern units but I hadn't thought about trying to seize that territory.

If just going for a small land grab to take the initiative and change the narrative in Russia, Suzemka is a great option. It has a population of about 9k and all roads and rails in and out pass through forests.

If the Ukes could hold a town like that for a few weeks the Russian population will lose their minds and force the Russians to divert significant resources to take it back.

In a war of attrition where you have significant defensive capabilities but lack offensive capabilities, expanding the battle field, stretching the Russian forces out, and forcing them to attack at a time and place of your choosing is probably a winning strategy.
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Charpie said:

That's awful


Considering what their countrymen did and are doing, I have a hard time feeling bad.
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Today's SITREP.
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I'm not going to be surprised to see a new "Warsaw Pact" come out of this. It will consist of former Soviet satellites like Ukraine and Poland, among others that will fight together to keep Russia from trying this again. NATO is proving too fickle to trust in Ukraine. IMHO
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Don't know if this was previously posted today or not.

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From your link.

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aggiehawg said:

From your link.


Allows Ukraine to concentrate its first-line equipment on the active eastern front and use these older vehicles for rear-area security elsewhere in the country.
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Rossticus said:

Don't know if this was previously posted today or not.


It was and I posted the below comment. We use contractors like Russia uses the Wagner group, except our guys are actually good

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Retired Marine MARSOC Mark Turner said when he was in Ukraine he ran into some CIA guys that said they were training the Ukes since late January/early February in Ukraine. Probably got around it by using them as contractors instead of CIA. He was also helping to train the Ukes but he was volunteering with another guy from the company he owns.

There is 100% foreign military helping Ukraine. You can't hand someone some of these advanced weapon systems and have them figure it out on their own. There are some woman that said they were accountants before the war in charge of SAM systems.
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Some fine shooting.
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aggiehawg said:

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That would be interesting if they could destroy the rail lines near the border so that Russia would have to go further into the country to reroute. It could maybe buy them some time.
My thought process is using them to blow up the rail lines while there have tanks and other vehicles on them. Not only the loss of the line but loss of those items as well. So diverting to a rail line further inside the country doesn't solve the problem of losing more materiel.


The Russians have rail battalions specifically for this type of thing. There's really no western equivalent, but they are trained to clear and repair rail lines as well as load and unload vehicles and equipment. They could have a rail line repaired in hours.

Personally, I would attempt to derail a train, any train, by damaging the track, preferably at a curve or high speed section, then wait for recovery efforts and hit those with an MLRS strike or potential ambush to destroy as much recovery equipment as possible to prolong the efforts and keep the track closed.
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Thanks!
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They don't seem to have any idea from where they are being attacked.

Question: When a tank column comes under fire, what are the usual maneuvers?
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lb3 said:

AgLA06 said:

ATX_AG_08 said:


If that Uke tank could shoot, that could have gotten real ugly for the Russians.

He was set up in the perfect ambush spot.
That solo effort with little or no (visible) infantry support might be worthy of their equivalent to a service cross.

Nice job.

For the military types here, I'm curious that the Russian convoy didn't seem to make much of an attempt to "get off the X" once they started taking fire. The seemed to maintain their same relatively slow speed and kept trundling along. They also didn't make any effort to engage the Ukrainian tank either.

Was that because they unloaded the infantry and as such couldn't take off and leave them? Just seems like a weird response to an ambush.
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ABATTBQ11 said:

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None of those weapons can do much to actual rail infrastructure. They could take out locomotives though. The switchblades are man portable too so that opens a wide range of options with infiltration
As someone said. Rail bridges are the vulnerability of railines. A track on flat ground can be repaired in hours. Over a body of water or canyon and it could be weeks. I just don't have an understanding of the railines in western russia to know if there are enough bridges to shut it down.

Since western russia is a lot like eastern Ukraine (flat farmland) I doubt there are bridges to take out.


I would think rail would be extremely vulnerable to attack. Hard to protect the whole line. Saboteurs can set explosives to detonate on pressure or by wire, taking out the engine and causing a derail. Lawrence of Arabia exploited this against the Turks.


Pull up the spikes that hold the track to the sleepers. You need a lot of explosives to move a 430,000 lb locomotive, but a missing section of track or two will cause a very bad day.
This and you don't even have to pull up that many especially on tangent track at the coldest part of the day. Thermal expansion will do the rest after the sun beats on it. Do this on a curved bridge or curved approach and you could get a nasty derailment. A bunch of armor, artillery, etc upside down would be a good thing.

On timber bridges you could slant cut all the pilings at the interior bents. Bridge will look normal and let the engine fall through while everything else derails around it. Bridge needs to be longer than the engine for success.

Get the train to derail at the bridge, off the track completely, not just slipped off the rail or bomb a fuel/HE load on the track at the bridge. Most bridges can be built back/repaired extremely fast if the access is good. Destroy or do damage to the bridge together with a nasty derailment in a difficult access location and now you have shut it down for awhile and your hesitant to do it again.
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Jetpilot86 said:

I'm not going to be surprised to see a new "Warsaw Pact" come out of this. It will consist of former Soviet satellites like Ukraine and Poland, among others that will fight together to keep Russia from trying this again. NATO is proving too fickle to trust in Ukraine. IMHO


Ukraine isn't in NATO. I don't think we can conclude anything about NATO's fickleness.
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Can you find the rest of the vehicle?
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Well that's true. I guess payback in this scenario is justified and indeed A *****
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ABATTBQ11 said:

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That would be interesting if they could destroy the rail lines near the border so that Russia would have to go further into the country to reroute. It could maybe buy them some time.
My thought process is using them to blow up the rail lines while there have tanks and other vehicles on them. Not only the loss of the line but loss of those items as well. So diverting to a rail line further inside the country doesn't solve the problem of losing more materiel.


The Russians have rail battalions specifically for this type of thing. There's really no western equivalent, but they are trained to clear and repair rail lines as well as load and unload vehicles and equipment. They could have a rail line repaired in hours.

Personally, I would attempt to derail a train, any train, by damaging the track, preferably at a curve or high speed section, then wait for recovery efforts and hit those with an MLRS strike or potential ambush to destroy as much recovery equipment as possible to prolong the efforts and keep the track closed.
Yeah, that was my recommendation above too. You can do enough damage at a curve in a higher speed area using hand tools to cause a very significant derailment. While they may have alot of people to throw at such a problem and plenty of spare locomotives and flat cars, the equipment to do the repairs and remove the damaged cars/equipment is limited. If you use a Switchblade or Bayraktar to damage the specialized rail repair/recovery equipment, you can put a real kink in their network.
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Crazy ambush

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The armoured equipment will be huge in taking back places like Mariupol where you need close support. At the end of the day those cities will be absolutely destroyed, even more than they are already. A lot of the Ukraine economy comes out of that area, specicially steel. We have already had several projects get moved back indefeintely since most of Europe gets their steel from Ukraine. The only other source is China which gets steel from Russia.
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P.U.T.U said:

The armoured equipment will be huge in taking back places like Mariupol where you need close support. At the end of the day those cities will be absolutely destroyed, even more than they are already. A lot of the Ukraine economy comes out of that area, specicially steel. We have already had several projects get moved back indefeintely since most of Europe gets their steel from Ukraine. The only other source is China which gets steel from Russia.


Correct.
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