***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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Rossticus
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4:25p, 4/3/22
Three more individuals identified from Bucha massacre photos.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1510575613542907907.html




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In reply to aggiehawg • 4:27p, 4/3/22
aggiehawg said:
These atrocities were being committed from the very get-go of the invasion. They were not bad actors, nor deserters.

The atrocities were part of the battle plan.
If so what a stupid plan. Fire up your opposition's resolve. Nobody fights harder than a person that knows surrender is not an option. Then you piss-off 75% of the planet and those that produce 80% of global GDP and have the ability to sanction your ass to death.

The stupidity of this idea matches the stupidity of Russian logistics and modern war fighting competence. May the Russian leadership and those that perpetuate it burn in hell
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In reply to Eliminatus • 4:29p, 4/3/22
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Eliminatus, like you, I realize that for most, this has just been an unpleasant blip on the screen. The worst thing is that for all of us, this should be a moment in time that all of mankind should weep with extreme sorrow to realize that the "SACREDNESS of Life" is of such little value.
Gig'em, Ole Army Class of '70
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4:36p, 4/3/22
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In reply to ttu_85 • 4:36p, 4/3/22
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If so what a stupid plan. Fire up your opposition's resolve. Nobody fights harder than a person that knows surrender is not an option. Then you piss-off 75% of the planet and those that produce 80% of global GDP and have the ability to sanction your ass to death.

The stupidity of this idea matches the stupidity of Russian logistics and modern war fighting competence. May the Russian leadership and those that perpetuate it burn in hell
Not if Zelensky fled and a puppet government had been quickly installed. All of it what occurred before the puppet government was in place would be covered up and never reported.
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In reply to Rossticus • 4:51p, 4/3/22
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Rossticus said:


Whoop!
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In reply to aezmvp • 5:39p, 4/3/22
aezmvp said:
oldord said:
I continue to be somewhat skeptical. Not of the fact that the Russians invaded and Have done some terrible things but I just don't believe anything that is presented to me as truth anymore. Not without time in verification from many sources.

Continue to wonder how this reshuffles the world order.
Id be more skeptical if they hadn't done the same things in Chechnya and Syria already.
Exactly!

You aren't going to get a real time account in 4k HD with audio and a signed statement from the bad guys. You just have to use some common sense.

It's either:

a) Each time a country is invaded by Russia they turn into torturing, murdering psychopaths to their neighbors and countrymen as some insane act of self preservation.

or

b) Units of the Russian military are the torturing, murdering psychopaths to the point it is systemic, accepted, and likely directed from the top.

When you will poison people from your own country as opposition and leave your own troops to rot in another country it's obvious how much value is placed on human life.
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In reply to mike0305 • 5:48p, 4/3/22
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Let's also not forget Russia's role in the whole "communism in the twentieth century" thing. It's not like it isn't out of historical character.

Impressive on the other hand has a military fitting and dying for these people. Makes no sense to be putting your life on the line for people you're going to murder.
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In reply to Rossticus • 5:50p, 4/3/22
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Rossticus said:
Graphic. Deceased appears to have had a giant swastika carved/etched/scratched into them before they were eventually killed.

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1510710930124029957.html
That looks like it was burned with a propane torch, not carved with a blade.
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In reply to Blackbeard94 • 5:54p, 4/3/22
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Blackbeard94 said:
Rossticus said:


Whoop!


When did this happen? Is this the one in dock?
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In reply to Rossticus • 5:55p, 4/3/22
Davey Jones Locker, mfers!
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In reply to Rossticus • 6:04p, 4/3/22
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Rossticus said:
the Germans, Russians, and Chinese, as well as the norks and Iranians, are the real axis of evil in the world today.
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In reply to The Fall Guy • 6:06p, 4/3/22
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The Fall Guy said:
Blackbeard94 said:
Rossticus said:


Whoop!


When did this happen? Is this the one in dock?


Not the one in dock. Sounds very recent but yet to be confirmed.
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6:07p, 4/3/22
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Admiral Essen is a frigate of the Admiral Grigorovich class of the Russian Navy. It is based with the Black Sea Fleet at Sevastopol.
Different ship. The one sunk was the Orsk.
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6:15p, 4/3/22
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6:20p, 4/3/22
At least they did it next to a church, I guess.

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In reply to aggiehawg • 6:23p, 4/3/22
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aggiehawg said:
Quote:
Admiral Essen is a frigate of the Admiral Grigorovich class of the Russian Navy. It is based with the Black Sea Fleet at Sevastopol.
Different ship. The one sunk was the Orsk.


No. First reports are the orsk, but it was a different ship in the same class.
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6:25p, 4/3/22
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In reply to nortex97 • 6:25p, 4/3/22
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nortex97 said:
Rossticus said:
the Germans, Russians, and Chinese, as well as the norks and Iranians, are the real axis of evil in the world today.
Hold on for second. Think Charlie Wilson here.

Germans won't sell to the Ukrainians but maybe sells to someone else that then transports them to Ukraine? There's so much money sloshing around right now that proxy deals are worth the risk for certain countries.
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In reply to Rossticus • 6:25p, 4/3/22
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Rossticus said:


From what I gather, and how Russia has been summarily terrible at strategy, this is probably correct. The Ukes could probably use stormtrooper tactics and roll up a lot of Russians. I just don't see the Russians have the presence of professional war fighting to have an established and planned FLOT (Forward Line of Own Troops, or established front line for those may not know) ready to receive the Ukes.

Do the Ukes throw the dice and charge in? I can't make the call of course but I would do it, based off the little I do know. Russia is not doing well. If the Ukes can punch a breakthrough and exploit it it can snowball out of control for Russia. That has to be worth a try, no?
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In reply to Eliminatus • 6:39p, 4/3/22
Seems to largely be "cut and run" by the Russians.
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 6:41p, 4/3/22
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ABATTBQ11 said:
aggiehawg said:
Quote:
Admiral Essen is a frigate of the Admiral Grigorovich class of the Russian Navy. It is based with the Black Sea Fleet at Sevastopol.
Different ship. The one sunk was the Orsk.


No. First reports are the orsk, but it was a different ship in the same class.


Orsk was an Alligator call LST. That's a lot different from a frigate.
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6:42p, 4/3/22
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Huge! Tanks for Ukraine? T-72s


[url=https://www.thedrive.com/the-war-zone/45050/soviet-era-t-72-tanks-to-be-transferred-from-nato-states-to-ukraine][/url]
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6:42p, 4/3/22


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In reply to Rossticus • 6:47p, 4/3/22
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There's an article on the NYT that the coroner in Bucha had a mass grave dug in a church yard before he left town. So this one may be dug by the Ukrainians.

But the article noted that he had already buried 50+ civilians dead from gun shots or shrapnel before he left so the Russians were filling it up.
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7:03p, 4/3/22
Viktor Orban referred to Zelensky as an enemy in his election victory speech. Probably worth filing away for later.
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7:13p, 4/3/22
I seriously think that we may need to consider offering Ukrainian servicemen honorary Texan status. This is too good! A "naval attack" to intercept a convoy. Lol.





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7:24p, 4/3/22
Is it just me or do the Chechens fighting for UA look less like a half assed Charlie Foxtrot and more like professional warriors than those fighting for Russia?

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In reply to Rossticus • 7:26p, 4/3/22
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Rossticus said:
Viktor Orban referred to Zelensky as an enemy in his election victory speech. Probably worth filing away for later.
Difference in age. Orban is 59. Zelensky is 44. Subtract 1991 when the USSR fell. Orban was 29. Zelensky was a young teenager.
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7:40p, 4/3/22
I find it quite ironic that the Russians refer to the Ukrainians as sub human. By their very actions the Russians have proved to be the subhumans.
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7:54p, 4/3/22
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8:09p, 4/3/22
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8:11p, 4/3/22
I wasn't aware of this either.

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