***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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In reply to BQ_90 • 12:33p, 3/15/22
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Thoughts the reports where that Odessa has good supply of harpoon or equivalent Anti shipping missiles
What's the range on the ani-tank missiles, and how rough would they be on landing craft?
think a javelin is mile or so; 75 nautical miles for a harpoon
The Neptunes reportedly have a range of 280 Km.
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12:33p, 3/15/22
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I feel less bad about those Russians dying if they attempt an amphibious landing after watching that. I hope they all die, preferably drowning as their ships are suck beneath them.
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In reply to BQ_90 • 12:35p, 3/15/22
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BQ_90 said:
B-1 83 said:
BQ_90 said:
Thoughts the reports where that Odessa has good supply of harpoon or equivalent Anti shipping missiles
What's the range on the ani-tank missiles, and how rough would they be on landing craft?
think a javelin is mile or so; 75 nautical miles for a harpoon
You should be able to seriously f-up a mess of landng craft a loooooooong way from shore then.
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In reply to B-1 83 • 12:35p, 3/15/22
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B-1 83 said:
BQ_90 said:
B-1 83 said:
BQ_90 said:
Thoughts the reports where that Odessa has good supply of harpoon or equivalent Anti shipping missiles
What's the range on the ani-tank missiles, and how rough would they be on landing craft?
think a javelin is mile or so; 75 nautical miles for a harpoon
You should be able to seriously f-up a mess of landng craft a loooooooong way from shore then.
assuming there isn't incoming fire from the ships esp if you want to use in close anti tank weapons
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In reply to BQ_90 • 12:39p, 3/15/22
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BQ_90 said:
B-1 83 said:
BQ_90 said:
B-1 83 said:
BQ_90 said:
Thoughts the reports where that Odessa has good supply of harpoon or equivalent Anti shipping missiles
What's the range on the ani-tank missiles, and how rough would they be on landing craft?
think a javelin is mile or so; 75 nautical miles for a harpoon
You should be able to seriously f-up a mess of landng craft a loooooooong way from shore then.
assuming there isn't incoming fire from the ships esp if you want to use in close anti tank weapons
My thought was that once they get very close, the attackers don't want to risk hitting their own, but I'm likely not as knowledgeable about the accuracy of the potential suppressing fire as many of you.
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In reply to Tramp96 • 12:42p, 3/15/22
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Two lanterns please
This will not end well for them

End well for whom? Please explain like I'm 5.
Same here, and I'm a Tech grad. So, you know, keep it simple for me.
Tech Grad Business and CS here I'll explain.

As others have said the Ukes have anti-ship missiles and under sea mines to hit larger troop and supply ships several miles from the coast. Think of these guys as your safeties and corner backs they defend at distance or the long end of the field . Then they have under sea mines to keep the offence slow and cautious.

Then your line backers: artillery and intermediate ranged surface to surface missiles to hit landing craft and amphibious assault ships. Invaders use smaller faster landing craft that can deploy troops to the beach and carry smaller fire support weapons. You want to kill these before they land

Ground forces: They fight the marine assault forces close in. These are the troops coming ashore.

Its always been like this. A three tier defense. Big guns to hit the larger ships troop and supply ships . Faster firing intermediate ranged weapons to hit incoming fast assault boats and landing craft. Then the grunt with the autos and grenades to fight on the beach.

Oh and airpower usually comes into play. Russia will likely bring air assets to suppress Uke counter fire.
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 12:50p, 3/15/22
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txags92 said:
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Two lanterns please
This will not end well for them

End well for whom? Please explain like I'm 5.
Waters are reportedly mined, they have Neptune anti-ship missiles, there are artillery gun positions ready to hit the ships before they can reach the landing site, and the potential landing sites have been well prepared for defense. Russians have no history or experience doing amphibious landings, and the careful combined arms coordination necessary to pull it off successfully has been absent from everything else Russia has attempted so far.


I'm having a hard time squaring knowing a lot of these guys are just following orders and have no idea what they're doing, but also hoping they all get shot to Hell.
That's war in a nutshell.
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1:02p, 3/15/22
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Entire huge convoy destroyed. Counted at least 30 vehicles all together.

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1:17p, 3/15/22
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I'm looking at https://liveuamap.com/ right now, and there appears to be a long stretch of red area (Russian controlled) West-Northwest of Odesa, almost at Moldova. Is that right? Are they bearing down on Odesa to try and attack from two sides?
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In reply to ATX_AG_08 • 1:20p, 3/15/22
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Supply convoy with no armor escorts minus the one in the back. It appears only one vehicle may have taken any evasive action, which I can't explain. Not sure if the doors were opened by fleeing soldiers, searched after the fact and left open or combination of the above.
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In reply to ATX_AG_08 • 1:20p, 3/15/22
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Give 'Em Hell Ukes!
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1:21p, 3/15/22
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Wow.


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In reply to JFABNRGR • 1:22p, 3/15/22
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Supply convoy with no armor escorts minus the one in the back. It appears only one vehicle may have taken any evasive action, which I can't explain. Not sure if the doors were opened by fleeing soldiers, searched after the fact and left open or combination of the above.
Looks like they got wasted. Seems to be a common theme.
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In reply to McInnis 03 • 1:24p, 3/15/22
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Wow.


You have to admire the bravery of these EU leaders to willingly travel to the heart of the war, and the main target of the Russian forces now, to have these discussions with the Ukranian leadership.
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In reply to Gilligan • 1:28p, 3/15/22
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Gilligan said:
JFABNRGR said:
Supply convoy with no armor escorts minus the one in the back. It appears only one vehicle may have taken any evasive action, which I can't explain. Not sure if the doors were opened by fleeing soldiers, searched after the fact and left open or combination of the above.
Looks like they got wasted. Seems to be a common theme.
Those vehicles have been there at least a few days. Snow is melted on the road except that piled up next to the tires. The vehicles were there before the snow fall.
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In reply to JFABNRGR • 1:29p, 3/15/22
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JFABNRGR said:
Supply convoy with no armor escorts minus the one in the back. It appears only one vehicle may have taken any evasive action, which I can't explain. Not sure if the doors were opened by fleeing soldiers, searched after the fact and left open or combination of the above.


Probably a combination, but I think the convoy being searched after the fact is the biggest part. There's no trekking what kind of intel was in those trucks because they look like troop transports or mobile command vehicles. There's also a distinct lack of bodies. Whatever happened, they got lit the **** up.
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In reply to Tramp96 • 1:31p, 3/15/22
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Tramp96 said:
McInnis 03 said:
Wow.


You have to admire the bravery of these EU leaders to willingly travel to the heart of the war, and the main target of the Russian forces now, to have these discussions with the Ukranian leadership.


Yeah. Kind of daring the Russians to **** around and find out. If one of them is killed, there's a strong chance of reprisal and war with NATO. If the Russians are having trouble now, that is the last thing they want
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In reply to ttu_85 • 1:34p, 3/15/22
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Russia likely trying to gain as much intelligence as they can in terms of defensive positions, Neptune launchers, artillery, etc. Would think before any sort of actual ground assault or move for an amphibious landing, you'd see a ton of air strikes trying to take out as much as they can.
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In reply to Waffledynamics • 1:36p, 3/15/22
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That area is in Moldova. It's a Russian backed separatist state, Transmustria. There's 1500 troops there.
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 1:39p, 3/15/22
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ABATTBQ11 said:
Tramp96 said:
McInnis 03 said:
Wow.


You have to admire the bravery of these EU leaders to willingly travel to the heart of the war, and the main target of the Russian forces now, to have these discussions with the Ukranian leadership.


Yeah. Kind of daring the Russians to **** around and find out. If one of them is killed, there's a strong chance of reprisal and war with NATO. If the Russians are having trouble now, that is the last thing they want
Is this the way NATO has chosen to defend Kyiv against indiscriminate shelling? Put some NATO leaders right there with Zelensky and dare the Russians to FAAFO? The last thing Russia wants is NATO joining the fight, so they have to be VERY careful with what they shoot at, lest they give NATO the excuse.
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In reply to TRM • 1:40p, 3/15/22
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Thanks. Doing a bit more reading, it doesn't seem like that area is really an active part of the war, correct?
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1:42p, 3/15/22
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In reply to Waffledynamics • 1:42p, 3/15/22
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I'm looking at https://liveuamap.com/ right now, and there appears to be a long stretch of red area (Russian controlled) West-Northwest of Odesa, almost at Moldova. Is that right? Are they bearing down on Odesa to try and attack from two sides?
Transistria. Separatist state backed by Russia. Thought to be Putin's move to link up and either fully block off Ukraine from the ocean or keep pushing into Moldova.
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In reply to HTownAg98 • 1:43p, 3/15/22
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HTownAg98 said:
Irish 2.0 said:
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Two lanterns please
This will not end well for them

End well for whom? Please explain like I'm 5.
An overview of the difficulties assaulting Ukraine from the sea by a US Marine. Read the Odessa section.

AMPHIBIOUS ASSAULT
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In reply to Not a Bot • 1:47p, 3/15/22
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Russia likely trying to gain as much intelligence as they can in terms of defensive positions, Neptune launchers, artillery, etc. Would think before any sort of actual ground assault or move for an amphibious landing, you'd see a ton of air strikes trying to take out as much as they can.
You would think. But they have been fighting like its 1944. Little they are doing makes sense. Classic doctrine is to use air power or surface to surface fire to soften coastal defenses. I dont think they have done any of this. Maybe they are using the THREAT of an Odessa invasion to tie down significant Uke resources.
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In reply to Waffledynamics • 1:51p, 3/15/22
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Thanks. Doing a bit more reading, it doesn't seem like that area is really an active part of the war, correct?
Not yet, but based on the map the president of Belarus decided to use for a public meeting, it was a part of their end game for this particular engagement.
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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 1:56p, 3/15/22
ABATTBQ11 said:
Tramp96 said:
McInnis 03 said:
Wow.


You have to admire the bravery of these EU leaders to willingly travel to the heart of the war, and the main target of the Russian forces now, to have these discussions with the Ukranian leadership.


Yeah. Kind of daring the Russians to **** around and find out. If one of them is killed, there's a strong chance of reprisal and war with NATO. If the Russians are having trouble now, that is the last thing they want


They're figuring it out. THIS is how you beat Putin. If he thinks he's a man among boys he gets belligerent. If you act like your balls are bigger and you know it then he treads much more lightly. Too bad these guys acted like they didn't know this for the past 6 months. Could have prevent much loss of innocent life. Better late than never and I hope the stick with it.
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1:57p, 3/15/22
Want.

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In reply to ABATTBQ11 • 1:57p, 3/15/22
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These guys should be behind a desk pushing paper. Instead, they're sent to the front where they get picked off.


Why would a colonel in command of a unit in combat be at a desk?


In theory he'd be in some kind of command post or rear area directing combat. Pretty sure the Ukrainians being able to pick off colonels and generals is a bad sign for the Russians. Either things are going so badly that the brass feels a need to be close to the action, or the Ukrainians are picking them off in rear areas and there is little security behind Russian lines. Either way, not good.

The Russians have lost 2 generals in combat on the last 2-3 weeks. We've lost two in combat, including one on 9/11 at the Pentagon, in the last 50 years.


A colonel is going to be pretty close to his unit. In the era of drones, air strikes, and artillery it's not surprising at all to lose some. Add in the contested supply routes and it's quite expected. We would lose some officers against a capable modern military, and we're a lot better at this than Russia.
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2:01p, 3/15/22
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Question from a n00b: How does a Harpoon's targeting system operate for something over the horizon?
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In reply to Rossticus • 2:02p, 3/15/22
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Rossticus said:
ABATTBQ11 said:
Tramp96 said:
McInnis 03 said:
Wow.


You have to admire the bravery of these EU leaders to willingly travel to the heart of the war, and the main target of the Russian forces now, to have these discussions with the Ukranian leadership.


Yeah. Kind of daring the Russians to **** around and find out. If one of them is killed, there's a strong chance of reprisal and war with NATO. If the Russians are having trouble now, that is the last thing they want


They're figuring it out. THIS is how you beat Putin. If he thinks he's a man among boys he gets belligerent. If you act like your balls are bigger and you know it then he treads much more lightly. Too bad these guys acted like they didn't know this for the past 6 months. Could have prevent much loss of innocent life. Better late than never and I hope the stick with it.

Can this 3 countries go rogue and not as NATO or EU, go all out to defend Ukraine? Do they possess the military might together to help Ukraine push the Russians out?
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Nice!
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Question from a n00b: How does a Harpoon's targeting system operate for something over the horizon?
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In reply to GAC06 • 2:06p, 3/15/22
GAC06 said:
ABATTBQ11 said:
GAC06 said:
HTownAg98 said:
These guys should be behind a desk pushing paper. Instead, they're sent to the front where they get picked off.


Why would a colonel in command of a unit in combat be at a desk?


In theory he'd be in some kind of command post or rear area directing combat. Pretty sure the Ukrainians being able to pick off colonels and generals is a bad sign for the Russians. Either things are going so badly that the brass feels a need to be close to the action, or the Ukrainians are picking them off in rear areas and there is little security behind Russian lines. Either way, not good.

The Russians have lost 2 generals in combat on the last 2-3 weeks. We've lost two in combat, including one on 9/11 at the Pentagon, in the last 50 years.


A colonel is going to be pretty close to his unit. In the era of drones, air strikes, and artillery it's not surprising at all to lose some. Add in the contested supply routes and it's quite expected. We would lose some officers against a capable modern military, and we're a lot better at this than Russia.


Russia has no NCO Corps the way we do, who're empowered to make decisions on the ground in the interest of ultimately achieving Commanders intent.

Higher ranks provide battle plans and lower ranks carry them out without deviation. If the Russian forces feel the need to be flexible in real time then it requires placing high ranking officers directly in the mix because nobody else is empowered to make those decisions.

Another reason why the Ukes are kicking their ass. Ukraine reformed their military based off of western command principles.
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