***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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Smart as a fox!
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Mr. Business said:


Wait. I'm confused. Russian or Ukrainian trains?
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Assuming they are Russian. There is a Russian flag on one.
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Russian. I confess I'm confused as well the significance. However if it's an armored Russian train you need to look out for brunettes being Onatop of things.

Jokes aside any one know the significance?
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Rosstafari said:




If true this is pretty hilarious
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aezmvp said:

Russian. I confess I'm confused as well the significance. However if it's an armored Russian train you need to look out for brunettes being Onatop of things.

Jokes aside any one know the significance?


They like to use them to transport mobile ICBMs. I think it's able to move at least a couple dozen if not more in one go. Nuclear posturing if I had to venture a guess.
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This Italian Tanker has been on station over Romania over the last several days.

Also a USAF tanker was over same area earlier in the day...


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Rosstafari said:


Send in a nazi to root out the nazies
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Pretty powerful.


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JFABNRGR said:

I wish I would have kept up with daily equipment loss changes https://www.oryxspioenkop.com/2022/02/attack-on-europe-documenting-equipment.html. Today at 8AM CST it was 870 pieces of russian equipment lost now its 902.
Assuming 100 ft/vehicle footprint ... that's a convoy 17 miles long.
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mike0305 said:

lb3 said:

We know that NATO won't enact a no fly zone over Ukraine, but couldn't NATO accomplish basically the same goal by repositioning a few mechanized units, an A10 squadron, and a Patriot battery to Lithuania as well as a few squadrons each of F22s in Germany and F35s in Northern Poland?

To use a chess analogy, if we position our bishop threatening St. Petersburg would we not be forcing Russia to hold their top fixed wings and Army Equipment near St. Petersburg and away from the Ukranian battle?


Unless you are willing to pull the trigger they are no better than statues or scarecrows.

Hopefully we are positioned to detect/shoot down something particularly nasty, but that's better answered by the warhawks here.
We wouldn't have to be willing to engage Russia unprovoked for those assets to have value. As in chess, developing a bishop early is nice because it's presence as a 'scare crow' while not attacking, still has strategic value. Just having the pieces in place to threaten Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg could prevent the Russians from threatening Poland or other NATO countries and force them to keep a sizable reserve force in place.

And as we've seen, weakness invite aggression. Russia would be stupid to see their military destroyed in a win at all costs war while stronger adversaries are at the gates able to pick their bones clean. Not to mention the political opportunists within their own country who would be positioned to exploit natural divisions.
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Mr. Business said:



This guy has been nails
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True dat. Read the quoted tweet thread if you want some good insight to why Russian communications are terrible.
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lb3 said:

We know that NATO won't enact a no fly zone over Ukraine, but couldn't NATO accomplish basically the same goal by repositioning a few mechanized units, an A10 squadron, and a Patriot battery to Lithuania as well as a few squadrons each of F22s in Germany and F35s in Northern Poland?

To use a chess analogy, if we position our bishop threatening St. Petersburg would we not be forcing Russia to hold their top fixed wings and Army Equipment near St. Petersburg and away from the Ukranian battle?


We do have units in the Baltics and have had several over the last six months

https://sofrep.com/news/us-troops-f-35s-and-apaches-sent-to-the-baltics-to-counter-russian-army/

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I'm not sure five battalions can overtake a city with at least 30,000 guns. Scattered, dug in, with comms, and ready to fight
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lb3 said:

mike0305 said:

lb3 said:

We know that NATO won't enact a no fly zone over Ukraine, but couldn't NATO accomplish basically the same goal by repositioning a few mechanized units, an A10 squadron, and a Patriot battery to Lithuania as well as a few squadrons each of F22s in Germany and F35s in Northern Poland?

To use a chess analogy, if we position our bishop threatening St. Petersburg would we not be forcing Russia to hold their top fixed wings and Army Equipment near St. Petersburg and away from the Ukranian battle?


Unless you are willing to pull the trigger they are no better than statues or scarecrows.

Hopefully we are positioned to detect/shoot down something particularly nasty, but that's better answered by the warhawks here.
We wouldn't have to be willing to engage Russia unprovoked for those assets to have value. As in chess, developing a bishop early is nice because it's presence as a 'scare crow' while not attacking, still has strategic value. Just having the pieces in place to threaten Kaliningrad and St. Petersburg could prevent the Russians from threatening Poland or other NATO countries and force them to keep a sizable reserve force in place.

And as we've seen, weakness invite aggression. Russia would be stupid to see their military destroyed in a win at all costs war while stronger adversaries are at the gates able to pick their bones clean. Not to mention the political opportunists within their own country who would be positioned to exploit natural divisions.
I see where you're going and want us to be ready as well, but currently would say Ukraine and Russia are actively in the game, US would just be setting up pieces on the side of the board. But we along with the west are already giving GM level advice, supplying Ukraine more pieces and getting in Russia's head. Sorry if scarecrow sounded harsh, didnt mean to be an ass.
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Quote:

"It is possible to calculate how far trucks can operate using simple beer math. Assuming the existing road network can support 45 mph speed...

...a single truck can make three trips a day at up to a 45-mile range: One hours to load, one hour to drive to the supported unit, one hours to unload, and another hour to return to base. Repeating this cycle three times equals 12 hours total.

The rest of the day is dedicated to truck maintenance, meals, refueling, weapons cleaning, and sleeping. Increase the distance to 90 miles, and the truck can make two trips daily.

At 180 miles, the same truck is down to one trip a day. These assumptions won't work in rough terrain or where there is limited/damaged infrastructure.

If an army has just enough trucks to sustain itself at a 45-mile distance, then at 90 miles, the throughput will be 33 percent lower. At 180 miles, it will be down by 66 percent."

And from towards the end of the article:

"The Russian army will be hard-pressed to conduct a ground offensive of more than 90 miles beyond the borders of the former Soviet Union without a logistics pause. For NATO, it means it can worry less about a major Russian invasion of the Baltic states or Poland and a greater focus on exploiting Russian logistic challenges by drawing Russian forces further away from their supply depots and targeting chokepoints in the Russian logistic infrastructure and logistic force in general."

So, what does that beer math mean?

The Ukrainians are using the late Brigadier Richard Simpkin's "Hammer & anvil" tactics with artillery, airpower & irregulars to throttle Russian supply lines.

US defense analysts Stephan Blank and Phillip Karber were sent to Ukraine dozens of times by the Potomac foundation lecturing on NATO tactics to stop a Russian mechanized invasion. I posted links to several of Karber's Donbas lectures here on Twitter.

Karber & Blank thought their lectures fell on deaf ears.

In hindsight, that was intentional disinformation on the Ukrainians part to make the Russians think they were more corrupt than they really were. (It worked!)

The Ukrainian military took those lectures to heart and added their own twist via repeated replays of Ukrainian VDV Gen. Zabrodskiy's 2014, deep 400 km, Donbas raid, but had kept it very close to their chests until the Russian invasion.
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Retired 101st Airborne Division sergeant Paul Grey from Tyler, Texas, who completed multiple tours of Iraq, is training Ukrainian resistance fighters.



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Grey, from Tyler, 100 miles east of Dallas, moved to Ukraine a year ago to open a gym in Kyiv, and is now training troops to defend the country.

He was able to take the last train to leave Kyiv to go to Lviv in western Ukraine. He has joined an organization that is training Ukrainians to fight. Paul is at an undisclosed location doing training exercises with the group he volunteers with.

'I'm fighting to defend my home, and their home here,' he said.

"This is their 1776. This is their fight of their generation and they're not going to let this moment pass without fighting into the end, and it's just extremely inspiring to see this," says Gray. "A lot of young Ukrainians, they are the first generation of independence in their country. Something their families and people have wanted for centuries. So it's not something they are obligated to do, but they want to do it."
https://www.ketk.com/news/local-news/army-veteran-from-tyler-training-ukrainian-civilians-for-battle/
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Ag In Ok said:

I'm not sure five battalions can overtake a city with at least 30,000 guns. Scattered, dug in, with comms, and ready to fight
Agree. At full strength, each BTG has about 600-800men … 200 infantry, 10 tanks, and 40 infantry fighting vehicles.
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Tin foil hat time


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Not just 5 battalions. Special forces, Chechens, Wagner, and 5 Russian BTGs are the groups. I don't know each group's size, but I would agree they need more.
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I really hope the Chechens and Wagners get taken out.
These are the times that try men's souls. The summer soldier and the sunshine patriot will, in this crisis, shrink from the service of their country; but he that stands it now, deserves the love and thanks of man and woman. Tyranny, like hell, is not easily conquered; yet we have this consolation with us, that the harder the conflict, the more glorious the triumph.-Thomas Paine
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lb3 said:

We know that NATO won't enact a no fly zone over Ukraine, but couldn't NATO accomplish basically the same goal by repositioning a few mechanized units, an A10 squadron, and a Patriot battery to Lithuania as well as a few squadrons each of F22s in Germany and F35s in Northern Poland?

To use a chess analogy, if we position our bishop threatening St. Petersburg would we not be forcing Russia to hold their top fixed wings and Army Equipment near St. Petersburg and away from the Ukranian battle?




No. That only works if it's a serious threat.
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TRM said:


What, are they just planning to Leeroy Jenkins it into Kyiv? I'm no expert, and that's what it sounds like.

I guess it could work if they manage to get a foothold and create enough chaos for defenders to get distracted enough for more forces to get in, but I don't know how well that would work. If I recall correctly, Russia's already seen the inside of Kyiv this war and got immediately pushed back out, right?
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JobSecurity said:


Just like the last ones where you killed evacuating civilians? **** you, Russia.
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Seabreeze said:

Tin foil hat time





No Compton effect if not triggered in the atmosphere. Localized emp can be contained
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https://news.yahoo.com/kremlin-says-russian-military-action-115703035.html

From Reuters.

This is what Russia SAYS it wants. I don't know if it's true or not, but IF true, seems like they should get to negotiating. Those two "breakaway" republics have apparently wanted to join Russia for some time. Crimea was already gone. Neutrality?? If that means "no NATO membership", well, fair or not, it could be seen why Russia wouldn't want Ukraine to join.

Again, who knows if Russia is being honest??
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Waffledynamics said:

JobSecurity said:


Just like the last ones where you killed evacuating civilians? **** you, Russia.
Putin is a murdering, cold blooded snake.
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fburgtx said:

https://news.yahoo.com/kremlin-says-russian-military-action-115703035.html

From Reuters.

This is what Russia SAYS it wants. I don't know if it's true or not, but IF true, seems like they should get to negotiating. Those two "breakaway" republics have apparently wanted to join Russia for some time. Crimea was already gone. Neutrality?? If that means "no NATO membership", well, fair or not, it could be seen why Russia wouldn't want Ukraine to join.

Again, who knows if Russia is being honest??
Putin is weak. He knows that.

Tell him Nuts.
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fburgtx said:

https://news.yahoo.com/kremlin-says-russian-military-action-115703035.html

From Reuters.

This is what Russia SAYS it wants. I don't know if it's true or not, but IF true, seems like they should get to negotiating. Those two "breakaway" republics have apparently wanted to join Russia for some time. Crimea was already gone. Neutrality?? If that means "no NATO membership", well, fair or not, it could be seen why Russia wouldn't want Ukraine to join.

Again, who knows if Russia is being honest??


This was discussed at length earlier today. There is also general agreement that in addition to what you posted, the Russian want to install a Russian backed leader to lead Ukraine but retain zelensky as a figurehead.

It's a no go from the start and Russia is hardly in the position to demand anything for the time being.
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