***Russian - Ukraine War Tactical and Strategic Updates*** [Warning on OP]

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This narrative of U.S. bio-labs in Ukraine has been floating around on the far reaches of the internet since day 1 of Russia's military operation.
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Would this lunatic, with the bulk of Russians against his war, and with his military failures on the battle field, consider firing a "dirty nuke" of his own from the land of Ukraine at his own land in an attempt to regain the support of his people AND to start WW3?
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Putin has to have the story lines in place he is going to use with the Russian public to justify the casualties and military action if he has to negotiate a settlement instead of absorbing all of the Ukraine.

I think widespread discontent will occur in 2 waves. I will be watching what happens when the Russian financial markets finally reopen. There will be another wave of discontent when the soldiers involved in the conflict return home and tell all their family members how incompetently the war was conducted.

I would not want to be in the military high command if there is a negotiated settlement. Putin is going to scapegoat them and tell the Russian public that Russia was failed by its generals. He may even tag them with the massive defense spending theft that has been occurring. He will make a massive public spectacle of purging them out of the military.
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Fitch said:

1. Russia is effed
a. In Ukraine
b. In Syria
c. In Chechnya
d. At home
2. Nuclear Option
a. Not even sure if arsenal has been kept up and functions.
b. Not sure the command procedures are functional

c. Thinks someone will not let it happen
d. Does not think Putin wants to die, as evidenced by his fear of having people close
3. In the best circumstance (they took over Kiev in 3 days) they were still going to have a hard time.
4. Intelligence failures
a. were not told about this
b. told to file reports
c. Told "details don't matter" (i.e make it pro Russian)


I asked this yesterday and not sure if anyone answered, but for real, how do we know their nuclear arsenal is operational?
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Fitch said:

aggiehawg said:

Robk said:



Lots of personel are going to look to GTFO of Russia if their accounts are higher than they should be.
Hehehe!

Looks like Putin has figured out he has been Saddamed. His military has been stealing for years while filing false reports of "ghost" weapons and military unit readiness.

And from the long threadreader from the FSB (?) analyst, Putin cannot even be sure his nuke stock has been properly maintained and still function as designed.


And as if on queue, the Kremlin begins advertising Ukrainian attempts to build a dirty bomb.

Curious if anyone knows definitively if fissile material can be traced back to the specific reactor and days it was produced? Popular media would lead one to assume that's the case - in which case how could something like that even be faked? Maybe why they changed the tactic. . .




Gosh, I wonder where they got that idea….
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Red Pear Realty said:

Fitch said:

1. Russia is effed
a. In Ukraine
b. In Syria
c. In Chechnya
d. At home
2. Nuclear Option
a. Not even sure if arsenal has been kept up and functions.
b. Not sure the command procedures are functional

c. Thinks someone will not let it happen
d. Does not think Putin wants to die, as evidenced by his fear of having people close
3. In the best circumstance (they took over Kiev in 3 days) they were still going to have a hard time.
4. Intelligence failures
a. were not told about this
b. told to file reports
c. Told "details don't matter" (i.e make it pro Russian)


I asked this yesterday and not sure if anyone answered, but for real, how do we know their nuclear arsenal is operational?


Would need to go look at their last successful SBLM or ICBM test. Any one know?

Then there are so many other factors beyond that.
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BD88 said:



Similar to what was posted earlier…
Will they remove the "V" "Z""O" from those vehicles?
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Red Pear Realty said:

Fitch said:

1. Russia is effed
a. In Ukraine
b. In Syria
c. In Chechnya
d. At home
2. Nuclear Option
a. Not even sure if arsenal has been kept up and functions.
b. Not sure the command procedures are functional

c. Thinks someone will not let it happen
d. Does not think Putin wants to die, as evidenced by his fear of having people close
3. In the best circumstance (they took over Kiev in 3 days) they were still going to have a hard time.
4. Intelligence failures
a. were not told about this
b. told to file reports
c. Told "details don't matter" (i.e make it pro Russian)


I asked this yesterday and not sure if anyone answered, but for real, how do we know their nuclear arsenal is operational?
We don't. The point here is, neither does Putin.
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Seems like their delivery systems can do the job.

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/russia-test-launches-ballistic-and-cruise-missiles-11645271129
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BD88 said:

Rubio active this morning…



I don't think UKR would want to fly from there anyway - too close to the action. It'd have to be further west closer to Lviv. That's one less airport that the Russians could have flown to for resupply. I wonder if Russia expected to take Gostomel quickly and use that airport for resupply rather than using the long convoy.
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Just use Polish airfields. Who gives a **** what Putin says. I think he'd think twice before attacking Poland.
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Red Pear Realty said:

Seems like their delivery systems can do the job.

https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/russia-test-launches-ballistic-and-cruise-missiles-11645271129
How old are those videos and pictures? Seems like a creative editing job to me.
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You have to love these people!!!
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Finding humor in that situation. Respect.
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Posted something like this yesterday.
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Ag In Ok said:

Rossticus said:


The Ukes need a division plus sized force in this area. Right?
Seems the Russian forces within the circle have a long narrow supply line to maintain.
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htownag10 said:


There are in fact two things, science and opinion; the former begets knowledge, the later ignorance. Hippocrates
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htownag10 said:




I'm wondering where they'd be able to operate from. Russia hit another base today/yesterday with missiles.
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So will Polish pilots have to fly the 29's into Ukraine then find a way back, or will Ukrainian pilots have to find a way to Poland to pick them up and fly them back?
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Probably the latter and (pure speculation) I wouldn't be surprised if there are Ukrainian pilots in Poland already getting familiarized with the Polish Fulcrums which likely have various differences from the Ukrainian models.
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SPSAg05 said:

So will Polish pilots have to fly the 29's into Ukraine then find a way back, or will Ukrainian pilots have to find a way to Poland to pick them up and fly them back?
The pilots will have to go to Poland and then go back to Ukraine and fly missions from there.
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SPSAg05 said:

So will Polish pilots have to fly the 29's into Ukraine then find a way back, or will Ukrainian pilots have to find a way to Poland to pick them up and fly them back?

I believe Ukrainian pilots are already in Poland, they have been waiting for several days waiting on the planes that were promised last week that never came.
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Ukrainian pilots can get to Poland fairly easily. Highly doubt that Poland would flip the jets on as that would have their pilots directly involved
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So... uh... What happens if the Uke pilot, en route from Poland, is engaged by a Russian aircraft?

Does that become a sortie that was initiated from Poland?
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If it happens in Poland's airspace, that is an act of war by Russia against Poland. Once they cross it into Ukraine, it is fair game
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Correct. But what's the difference between that and Uke pilots just flying missions from Poland? In either case, it's an engagement by an aircraft that took off from a Polish base.
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