Ag In Ok said:
Has the eastern Uke army pushed to cross to the western bank of the DNeiper river?
Irish 2.0 said:
I really hope the snipers are targeting officers
Anyone who doesn't see this as ALSO being, in part, a civil war as well, does not understand the ethnic division in Ukraine that is very real and does exist - particularly southeast of country.TRM said:Looks like the Ukrainian commander doesn’t believe Ukrainian opposition MP Nestor Shufrych (Pro-Russian), who was caught for "taking pictures of the movement of troops and setting up beacons". pic.twitter.com/LB2HSmkTZz
— CaucasusWarReport (@Caucasuswar) March 4, 2022
At the start of this, we saw a lot of older systems. The TOS's and Grad platforms were there too of cours, but we saw older armor like T-72's and T-80's that have been through a few modernizations at this point. It wasn't until more recently that T-90's and units with AK-12'a started popping up.GAC06 said:The Debt said:Quote:
Is this just throwing stuff on the wall time? You are seeing a war in real time, where Russia is unprepared. Please tell me an instance where human nature you throw in the "B" team.
As for DOD logistics, the Russian's couldn't hold our jock.
I guess it's not common knowledge, so let me explain it to you. During the cold war the west had intel on the quality of equipment in case things got hot. All the satellite states had 3rd and 4rh rate equipment, and tons of it. They saved their best equipment (tanks/jets) for Russia proper.
The idea behind this is that when nato invades, nato will send their best, just like you suggest. The best will grind through substandard equipment. They will put thousands of miles and hours on the shiny new equipment, causing erosion and maintenance, and by the time the allies get to Russia, the Soviets unleash fresh equipment that was tactically comparable, but with less wear.
I was not surprised when we saw 30year old tanks and trucks with half a tank of gas being thrown at Ukraine. Its consistent with their m.o.
Plus you have to remember Russians play chess from age 5. Do you lead with a rook, or with a pawn? Pawns, in this war, probe enemy positions, flush them out, Ukrainians throw the kitchen sink at the pawns, then a queen shows up and they are all fked.
Except they are using their newest stuff, and their elite units.
Quote:
"Day 3 of combat and still alive, man. This is intense stuff. An ambush earlier destroyed several vehicles, tanks, and other materials they have been using.
Progress is being made, as well as losses. To any volunteers coming, probably a one way ticket, dude. This isn't Iraq or Afghanistan. The next 5 minutes isn't even guaranteed. Don't come here thinking you'll stack bodies because you won't. These aren't dirt farmers with 50 year old AK's.
You'll get humbled to real, REAL combat and violence real quick. This isn't a game. I fired more rounds here in 2 days than 4 deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. This is not a game, and this is not fun. Choose carefully before you decide to be a hero."
- Western Volunteer. Invasion of Ukraine. February 26th, 2022.
RebelE Infantry said:bangobango said:And how do you do that? How do you apply more pressure on him than what he is dealing with already? That man is ready to die to defend his country and its freedom.RebelE Infantry said:rathAG05 said:RebelE Infantry said:LostInLA07 said:
That's already happening. O&G is their last source of outside cash but the impact to everyday Russians from the current sanctions will be substantial, particularly in the cities where many of their citizens are accustomed to daily interaction with western people, products and tech.
The iPhone they are currently holding is likely the last one they will ever have. Most of their apps don't work anymore. Eventually the russian stock market will have to reopen and anyone with capital in that market is going to take crushing losses that they will likely never recover from.
Frankly, the biggest risk here is that we inadvertently re-create a post WW1 Germany and end up with a population in Russia that hates us because of the sanctions imposed by the west. They'll kick out Putin but who knows what the sentiment will be when they are figuring out who the replacement will be. It could be another militaristic nationalist who rallies a desperate and humiliated population.
I'm afraid this is exactly what we're hurtling headlong towards and no one seems to be interested in talking about it. Private corporations are going far beyond the official sanctions and only making this even more likely.
Yeah, but what choice does the global community have? If Putin is unwilling to relent and pull out, and we are unwilling to directly engage, I don't see another option. We can't blame ourselves for the actions of an evil dictator. This totally sucks, but what he is doing is devastating.
You pressure Zelensky to come to the table for a negotiated peace to end a war he can't possibly win.
First of all you stop giving him truckloads of weapons so that he can stop feeding his people into a meat grinder. Then you find a way to structure a peace where Russians strategic interests are addressed in exchange for easing of sanctions. Otherwise it's just the west using Ukraine as cannon fodder for a proxy war against Russia and that's the last thing we should want.
RebelE Infantry said:bangobango said:And how do you do that? How do you apply more pressure on him than what he is dealing with already? That man is ready to die to defend his country and its freedom.RebelE Infantry said:rathAG05 said:RebelE Infantry said:LostInLA07 said:
That's already happening. O&G is their last source of outside cash but the impact to everyday Russians from the current sanctions will be substantial, particularly in the cities where many of their citizens are accustomed to daily interaction with western people, products and tech.
The iPhone they are currently holding is likely the last one they will ever have. Most of their apps don't work anymore. Eventually the russian stock market will have to reopen and anyone with capital in that market is going to take crushing losses that they will likely never recover from.
Frankly, the biggest risk here is that we inadvertently re-create a post WW1 Germany and end up with a population in Russia that hates us because of the sanctions imposed by the west. They'll kick out Putin but who knows what the sentiment will be when they are figuring out who the replacement will be. It could be another militaristic nationalist who rallies a desperate and humiliated population.
I'm afraid this is exactly what we're hurtling headlong towards and no one seems to be interested in talking about it. Private corporations are going far beyond the official sanctions and only making this even more likely.
Yeah, but what choice does the global community have? If Putin is unwilling to relent and pull out, and we are unwilling to directly engage, I don't see another option. We can't blame ourselves for the actions of an evil dictator. This totally sucks, but what he is doing is devastating.
You pressure Zelensky to come to the table for a negotiated peace to end a war he can't possibly win.
First of all you stop giving him truckloads of weapons so that he can stop feeding his people into a meat grinder. Then you find a way to structure a peace where Russians strategic interests are addressed in exchange for easing of sanctions. Otherwise it's just the west using Ukraine as cannon fodder for a proxy war against Russia and that's the last thing we should want.
GAC06 said:The Debt said:Quote:
Is this just throwing stuff on the wall time? You are seeing a war in real time, where Russia is unprepared. Please tell me an instance where human nature you throw in the "B" team.
As for DOD logistics, the Russian's couldn't hold our jock.
I guess it's not common knowledge, so let me explain it to you. During the cold war the west had intel on the quality of equipment in case things got hot. All the satellite states had 3rd and 4rh rate equipment, and tons of it. They saved their best equipment (tanks/jets) for Russia proper.
The idea behind this is that when nato invades, nato will send their best, just like you suggest. The best will grind through substandard equipment. They will put thousands of miles and hours on the shiny new equipment, causing erosion and maintenance, and by the time the allies get to Russia, the Soviets unleash fresh equipment that was tactically comparable, but with less wear.
I was not surprised when we saw 30year old tanks and trucks with half a tank of gas being thrown at Ukraine. Its consistent with their m.o.
Plus you have to remember Russians play chess from age 5. Do you lead with a rook, or with a pawn? Pawns, in this war, probe enemy positions, flush them out, Ukrainians throw the kitchen sink at the pawns, then a queen shows up and they are all fked.
Except they are using their newest stuff, and their elite units.
This is a flawed perspective. At best such a situation would be of limited duration. Open source systems alone are very powerful and easy to implement. China has already cuts its dependency on American Big Tech. For that matter so has a bunch of Conservatives. The Server infrastructures is this one big remaining question. mark.Beat40 said:wangus12 said:I will say I think the younger Russian has much more exposure to to the West via technology. We do have a chance if Putin is oustedMule said:aggiehawg said:Or there is further fractioning into more independent sovereign states like what happened the last time?LostInLA07 said:
That's already happening. O&G is their last source of outside cash but the impact to everyday Russians from the current sanctions will be substantial, particularly in the cities where many of their citizens are accustomed to daily interaction with western people, products and tech.
The iPhone they are currently holding is likely the last one they will ever have. Most of their apps don't work anymore. Eventually the russian stock market will have to reopen and anyone with capital in that market is going to take crushing losses that they will likely never recover from.
Frankly, the biggest risk here is that we inadvertently re-create a post WW1 Germany and end up with a population in Russia that hates us because of the sanctions imposed by the west. They'll kick out Putin but who knows what the sentiment will be when they are figuring out who the replacement will be. It could be another militaristic nationalist who rallies a desperate and humiliated population.
We (the West) missed our opportunity when Gorbachev did the right thing and brought the communist experiment to an end. We did not support (get involved enough) to ensure that democratic rule was being established on as many levels as possible. The old cronies and Putin stepped into the power vacuum and the rest is history.
We may get a second chance. Let's see how this plays out and demand more from our leaders. The world may not survive Putin 2.0 let alone Putin 1.0.
Part of the problem is Microsoft just pulled out of Russia. Other tech companies have as well. Soon that tech we could each out to the younger generation will stop working and you lose that avenue or communication.
damnCondensedFoggyAggie said:
There's an Instagram account of what seems to be commentary from various soldiers in the Ukraine, including western volunteers. Which is very raw
https://www.instagram.com/battles.and.beers/
Some entriesQuote:
"Day 3 of combat and still alive, man. This is intense stuff. An ambush earlier destroyed several vehicles, tanks, and other materials they have been using.
Progress is being made, as well as losses. To any volunteers coming, probably a one way ticket, dude. This isn't Iraq or Afghanistan. The next 5 minutes isn't even guaranteed. Don't come here thinking you'll stack bodies because you won't. These aren't dirt farmers with 50 year old AK's.
You'll get humbled to real, REAL combat and violence real quick. This isn't a game. I fired more rounds here in 2 days than 4 deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. This is not a game, and this is not fun. Choose carefully before you decide to be a hero."
- Western Volunteer. Invasion of Ukraine. February 26th, 2022.
IIRC that's true to old Soviet doctrine of relying heavily on helicopters?GAC06 said:
They kicked the war off with a heloborne assault of an airfield outside Kiev. They were trying to go fast, and actually use maneuver warfare. Only after that got crushed are they slogging along and internet experts are trying to claim that was the plan all along
So, we should just give New Mexico and Texas south of Laredo to Mexico, then, right? To avoid something like this in the U.S.?TheEternalPessimist said:Anyone who doesn't see this as ALSO being, in part, a civil war as well, does not understand the ethnic division in Ukraine that is very real and does exist - particularly southeast of country.TRM said:Looks like the Ukrainian commander doesn’t believe Ukrainian opposition MP Nestor Shufrych (Pro-Russian), who was caught for "taking pictures of the movement of troops and setting up beacons". pic.twitter.com/LB2HSmkTZz
— CaucasusWarReport (@Caucasuswar) March 4, 2022
Shoot hiM!TRM said:Looks like the Ukrainian commander doesn’t believe Ukrainian opposition MP Nestor Shufrych (Pro-Russian), who was caught for "taking pictures of the movement of troops and setting up beacons". pic.twitter.com/LB2HSmkTZz
— CaucasusWarReport (@Caucasuswar) March 4, 2022
It's not just a matter of being profitable, it's how much profit is needed to balance a producer's national budget. Russia is so dependent on energy revenues it currently needs a minimum of ~$70bl and high export volume to avoid drastic cuts to national spending and hurting people's standard of living. I imagine recouping the billions lost on this war and the sanctions hit to volume will drive its break even point much closer to $100bl in coming years.hbtheduce said:aggiehawg said:Actually, this is a good thing. Forcing them to sell at steep discounts (losing the large profit they were expecting) leads to less production from Russia if the profit margin isn't there. Costs more to extract that they can get on the market.BusterAg said:The American people need to boycott Shell gasoline stations.Irish 2.0 said:Buyer Finally Emerges For Russian Oil Offered At A Record $28 Discount https://t.co/3nHMNTwnRF
— zerohedge (@zerohedge) March 4, 2022
Russia having to sell their oil at massive discount to get it out
When we were energy independent the prices went way down but ours was by oversupply. Their discounts are necessary to move any product at all. Big difference.
A $23 deduct at $110 does not dent their profits at all. Russia's break evens are probably well below $30/bbl, They are just fine at $80.
Now it is less money than would be expected for the possible war machine. But compared prices pre-conflict, the deduct isn't even that heavy.
In WW2 The Soviets had something called "punishment units." People the Stalin gov wanted to eliminate. They were used as cannon fodder. China did the same in Korea . They'd get them high then have them charge American lines which had quad .50 AAA guns converted from anti-air to anti infantry. The results were devastating.aTmAg said:
If Russia is really playing their pawns first, then no wonder they are embarrassing themselves. They are too stupid to realize that strategies that work in chess don't work in war.
Quote:
"I will confirm. I was not in danger. I did see rockets. Hundreds of them fly through the sky in such big numbers it was frightening. It makes me wonder what else they will use.
In the moment I feared for my life, but the rockets went right over us to positions behind. The noise of them was huge. It was like someone crushing metal in your ears.
Men from behind came to join us that evening who were in the middle of it. One of them told me so many rockets hit the ground that all he could see was nothing because his eyes shook inside his head."
- Ukrainian Soldier. Invasion of Ukraine. March 3rd, 2022
Quote:
"During the second day of fighting in Kyiv, a mother with her 2 sons were looking for shelter. They got caught in the crossfire, 2 of my friends sprinted towards them as the rest of us provided suppressive fire. Each one picked up a kid and brought them to a safer place whilst the mother waited in cover.
One of them came back to bring the mother to safety, he got shot in the leg. He stood back up and brought the mother to her kids. When he returned, just right in front of us he got shot again this time fatally.
After the fighting was over we went looking to see if the mother and kids were still there and they were. Sitting in a corner of a room holding each other, the mother started crying and blamed herself that one of ours got killed.
We comfort her and told her it wasn't her fault. The kids gave all of us a hug and then I started crying. As I'm becoming a father it was a very hard moment for me."
- Western Volunteer. Invasion of Ukraine. February 28th, 2022.
Quote:
"Day 4 of combat for us. To say we are exhausted is the ******* understatement of the century. I think we've slept 15 hours if that. Finally got a bit of a break. Sitting here looking at my hands and just now realized how burned and cut up they are.
Everyone is chainsmoking and taking it all in. Everyone who survived that is. Constant, unrelenting combat of this magnitude is a nightmare of which I don't think anyone who isn't 95 years old or here can comprehend. I'd suck a d*ck for a flight out of here tomorrow.
No, I'd suck 50."
- Western Volunteer. Invasion of Ukraine. March 1st, 2022.
Quote:
"My friend wrote me he is serving near *******, in the regiment. Oh what horror. He said 70 percent. 70 percent are dead. (Allegedly) Their unit has three and a half thousand. 70 percent is already dead. F*ck, do you understand how many corpses there are f*ck.
This is f*cked boys, they're about to check (kill) our whole army, these ******* (redacted) (derogatory term for Ukrainians). Can you imagine whats going to ******* happen? F*ck. They're not gonna conscript us pensioners but the kids and young ones will, you cannot imagine what is happening.
He (Putin) is talking mighty about our army, what ******* army f*ck. Army is not ready at all, these boys have never fought before. It is complete ass, do not watch the (Russian State) news, its complete bull***** Complete bull*****"
- Russian civilian. Invasion of Ukraine. March 2nd, 2022.
Are you if Russian lineage or did you live there or something? Just seems you are rooting for them to win.RebelE Infantry said:jabberwalkie09 said:RebelE Infantry said:bangobango said:And how do you do that? How do you apply more pressure on him than what he is dealing with already? That man is ready to die to defend his country and its freedom.RebelE Infantry said:rathAG05 said:RebelE Infantry said:LostInLA07 said:
That's already happening. O&G is their last source of outside cash but the impact to everyday Russians from the current sanctions will be substantial, particularly in the cities where many of their citizens are accustomed to daily interaction with western people, products and tech.
The iPhone they are currently holding is likely the last one they will ever have. Most of their apps don't work anymore. Eventually the russian stock market will have to reopen and anyone with capital in that market is going to take crushing losses that they will likely never recover from.
Frankly, the biggest risk here is that we inadvertently re-create a post WW1 Germany and end up with a population in Russia that hates us because of the sanctions imposed by the west. They'll kick out Putin but who knows what the sentiment will be when they are figuring out who the replacement will be. It could be another militaristic nationalist who rallies a desperate and humiliated population.
I'm afraid this is exactly what we're hurtling headlong towards and no one seems to be interested in talking about it. Private corporations are going far beyond the official sanctions and only making this even more likely.
Yeah, but what choice does the global community have? If Putin is unwilling to relent and pull out, and we are unwilling to directly engage, I don't see another option. We can't blame ourselves for the actions of an evil dictator. This totally sucks, but what he is doing is devastating.
You pressure Zelensky to come to the table for a negotiated peace to end a war he can't possibly win.
First of all you stop giving him truckloads of weapons so that he can stop feeding his people into a meat grinder. Then you find a way to structure a peace where Russians strategic interests are addressed in exchange for easing of sanctions. Otherwise it's just the west using Ukraine as cannon fodder for a proxy war against Russia and that's the last thing we should want.
Strategic interests of Russia at this point include but are not limited to: new government in Ukraine, demilitarized Ukraine, effectively control of Donbas region, and Ukraine never joining NATO.
This is supposed to be an acceptable compromise to you?
Not my compromise to make, but if the alternative is utter destruction with the same end result, I'd probably think long and hard about taking it.
bangobango said:damnCondensedFoggyAggie said:
There's an Instagram account of what seems to be commentary from various soldiers in the Ukraine, including western volunteers. Which is very raw
https://www.instagram.com/battles.and.beers/
Some entriesQuote:
"Day 3 of combat and still alive, man. This is intense stuff. An ambush earlier destroyed several vehicles, tanks, and other materials they have been using.
Progress is being made, as well as losses. To any volunteers coming, probably a one way ticket, dude. This isn't Iraq or Afghanistan. The next 5 minutes isn't even guaranteed. Don't come here thinking you'll stack bodies because you won't. These aren't dirt farmers with 50 year old AK's.
You'll get humbled to real, REAL combat and violence real quick. This isn't a game. I fired more rounds here in 2 days than 4 deployments to Iraq and Afghanistan. This is not a game, and this is not fun. Choose carefully before you decide to be a hero."
- Western Volunteer. Invasion of Ukraine. February 26th, 2022.
jabberwalkie09 said:IIRC that's true to old Soviet doctrine of relying heavily on helicopters?GAC06 said:
They kicked the war off with a heloborne assault of an airfield outside Kiev. They were trying to go fast, and actually use maneuver warfare. Only after that got crushed are they slogging along and internet experts are trying to claim that was the plan all along
From a few pages ago, but wanted to address this really quick.SpreadsheetAg said:Check out these maps for more interesting information on NATO and the positioning of Russia and Belarus:Robk said:“belarus is interested in having a presence in the baltics and in its own port facilities.”
— ian bremmer (@ianbremmer) March 4, 2022
- putin today, discussing his conversation w belarus president lukashenko
Unless he plans on giving them Kaliningrad, this would seem not good.
https://geoawesomeness.com/top-14-maps-charts-explain-nato/
(from 2017, so may be a little dated)
If Belarus wants a port, that means they have designs on Moldova and the western portion of Ukraine down to the Baltics. Russia would be happy with this as it puts a western buffer of New Belarus between NATO and Russia proper.
I could see Belarus Military pushing west and south along the border with Poland, Slovakia, Hungary, and Romania through Moldova (capturing Lviv and Chisinau) and into the far Southwest of Ukraine to the small port towns of Bilhorod and Zatoka...
With the end of ninth day of #Russia military operation inside #Ukraine the #Russians are consolidating their gains & are making slowly but steadly advances in coordination with #LPR & #DPR forces from south, north & east respectively towards the hearth of the #Dnieper
— @Suriyak (@Suriyakmaps) March 4, 2022
❗️The head of the Mykolaiv regional state administration, Vitaly Kim, reports that in Mykolaiv the #Russian army has withdrawn from the Kulbaki airport to the area of the Mykolaiv Aircraft Repair Plant,
— NEXTA (@nexta_tv) March 4, 2022
RebelE Infantry said:jabberwalkie09 said:
Strategic interests of Russia at this point include but are not limited to: new government in Ukraine, demilitarized Ukraine, effectively control of Donbas region, and Ukraine never joining NATO.
This is supposed to be an acceptable compromise to you?
Not my compromise to make, but if the alternative is utter destruction with the same end result, I'd probably think long and hard about taking it.
RebelE Infantry said:jabberwalkie09 said:RebelE Infantry said:bangobango said:And how do you do that? How do you apply more pressure on him than what he is dealing with already? That man is ready to die to defend his country and its freedom.RebelE Infantry said:rathAG05 said:RebelE Infantry said:LostInLA07 said:
That's already happening. O&G is their last source of outside cash but the impact to everyday Russians from the current sanctions will be substantial, particularly in the cities where many of their citizens are accustomed to daily interaction with western people, products and tech.
The iPhone they are currently holding is likely the last one they will ever have. Most of their apps don't work anymore. Eventually the russian stock market will have to reopen and anyone with capital in that market is going to take crushing losses that they will likely never recover from.
Frankly, the biggest risk here is that we inadvertently re-create a post WW1 Germany and end up with a population in Russia that hates us because of the sanctions imposed by the west. They'll kick out Putin but who knows what the sentiment will be when they are figuring out who the replacement will be. It could be another militaristic nationalist who rallies a desperate and humiliated population.
I'm afraid this is exactly what we're hurtling headlong towards and no one seems to be interested in talking about it. Private corporations are going far beyond the official sanctions and only making this even more likely.
Yeah, but what choice does the global community have? If Putin is unwilling to relent and pull out, and we are unwilling to directly engage, I don't see another option. We can't blame ourselves for the actions of an evil dictator. This totally sucks, but what he is doing is devastating.
You pressure Zelensky to come to the table for a negotiated peace to end a war he can't possibly win.
First of all you stop giving him truckloads of weapons so that he can stop feeding his people into a meat grinder. Then you find a way to structure a peace where Russians strategic interests are addressed in exchange for easing of sanctions. Otherwise it's just the west using Ukraine as cannon fodder for a proxy war against Russia and that's the last thing we should want.
Strategic interests of Russia at this point include but are not limited to: new government in Ukraine, demilitarized Ukraine, effectively control of Donbas region, and Ukraine never joining NATO.
This is supposed to be an acceptable compromise to you?
Not my compromise to make, but if the alternative is utter destruction with the same end result, I'd probably think long and hard about taking it.
Ah, I understand what you're meaning is now. Their troops the led with, the VDV.GAC06 said:jabberwalkie09 said:IIRC that's true to old Soviet doctrine of relying heavily on helicopters?GAC06 said:
They kicked the war off with a heloborne assault of an airfield outside Kiev. They were trying to go fast, and actually use maneuver warfare. Only after that got crushed are they slogging along and internet experts are trying to claim that was the plan all along
My point is they led with their best
In Kharkiv region, Ukraine’s military launch a counter-offensive
— Illia Ponomarenko (@IAPonomarenko) March 4, 2022
Yeah, it sounds like it's going great for Russia.Quote:
"My friend wrote me he is serving near *******, in the regiment. Oh what horror. He said 70 percent. 70 percent are dead. (Allegedly) Their unit has three and a half thousand. 70 percent is already dead. F*ck, do you understand how many corpses there are f*ck.
This is f*cked boys, they're about to check (kill) our whole army, these ******* (redacted) (derogatory term for Ukrainians). Can you imagine whats going to ******* happen? F*ck. They're not gonna conscript us pensioners but the kids and young ones will, you cannot imagine what is happening.
He (Putin) is talking mighty about our army, what ******* army f*ck. Army is not ready at all, these boys have never fought before. It is complete ass, do not watch the (Russian State) news, its complete bull***** Complete bull*****"
- Russian civilian. Invasion of Ukraine. March 2nd, 2022.
TRM said:In Kharkiv region, Ukraine’s military launch a counter-offensive
— Illia Ponomarenko (@IAPonomarenko) March 4, 2022
MeKnowNot said:
Why are the Russian troops so active during the day?
I thought that modern military forces were well equipped with night vision. Is this not the case?
74OA said:It's not just a matter of being profitable, it's how much profit is needed to balance a producer's national budget. Russia is so dependent on energy revenues it currently needs a minimum of ~$70bl and high export volume to avoid drastic cuts to national spending and hurting people's standard of living. I imagine recouping the billions lost on this war and the sanctions hit to volume will drive its break even point much closer to $100bl in coming years.hbtheduce said:aggiehawg said:Actually, this is a good thing. Forcing them to sell at steep discounts (losing the large profit they were expecting) leads to less production from Russia if the profit margin isn't there. Costs more to extract that they can get on the market.BusterAg said:The American people need to boycott Shell gasoline stations.Irish 2.0 said:Buyer Finally Emerges For Russian Oil Offered At A Record $28 Discount https://t.co/3nHMNTwnRF
— zerohedge (@zerohedge) March 4, 2022
Russia having to sell their oil at massive discount to get it out
When we were energy independent the prices went way down but ours was by oversupply. Their discounts are necessary to move any product at all. Big difference.
A $23 deduct at $110 does not dent their profits at all. Russia's break evens are probably well below $30/bbl, They are just fine at $80.
Now it is less money than would be expected for the possible war machine. But compared prices pre-conflict, the deduct isn't even that heavy.
https://www.spglobal.com/commodity-insights/en/market-insights/latest-news/oil/120221-russia-opec-seen-moving-closer-on-fiscal-breakeven-oil-prices
Mariupol now pic.twitter.com/DOdHg45o10
— Illia Ponomarenko (@IAPonomarenko) March 4, 2022
