yes, this is a great example of the problem with "civilized" or "nice" warBlackGoldAg2011 said:letting angry crowds of people form a country you are invading get that close to your vehicles and even pound on them seems to me like a great way to get IEDs planted in your fender/wheel wells....Fitch said:
Apologies if already posted.#Putin isn’t fighting just a military in #Ukraine
— Marco Rubio (@marcorubio) March 1, 2022
He is fighting over 40 millions people in a war that will never end and he can never win
pic.twitter.com/HBoTswxFd4
Based on the tankers flying over Romania and the Rivet Joint that was there last night, I would say no.Ag In Ok said:
Have both Romania and Hungary closed their airspace to support / overwatch flights?
I think you nailed the two most likely factors: training and soldiers that don't believe in the cause. I have no idea how much training these soldiers undergo for matters like this anymore than I know what our own do. Perhaps it's a complete leadership breakdown, which wouldn't be shocking either. If there's a complete communications fiasco then that also could have played a part. So much time has passed since the USSR has officially existed that I would venture to say the majority of the Russian soldiers don't care about overtaking Ukraine, it's a goal of old men like Putin wanting to bring back their old world while they still have time. I think it's a combination of all the above, and then some.Big Al 1992 said:
Is anyone else amazed that the Russians weren't trained to dispose of their tanks, weaponry etc when about to be captured, or abandoned? Doesn't US always try to dispose of any equipment if there's a chance it goes to enemy hands - just to not allow intelligence gathering? Of course they may have been trained to not leave a tank in enemy hands, blow it up or render inoperable before you leave it - or the Russians just DGAS and are bailing out.
Three fighter jets are flying from Rechitsa (Gomel region) towards the Ukrainian border pic.twitter.com/0IoQn3MxKE
— MotolkoHelp (@MotolkoHelp) March 1, 2022
Ag In Ok said:
Have both Romania and Hungary closed their airspace to support / overwatch flights?
Interesting, but not surprising how much the "want to" of the troops involved can affect the outcome. If the stories about the Russian troops motivation levels are even close to accurate, there is no way they hold up long term against the energized and armed Ukrainian locals.agsalaska said:I think they are too.RONA Ag said:PJYoung said:A friend in the #Netherlands tells me: He had several Ukrainian handymen doing renovations in his house. The other day, they apologized to him, left all their tools, & headed back to #Ukraine to defend their country from #Russia.
— Matthew Kupfer (@Matthew_Kupfer) February 28, 2022
This is what military analysis couldn't predict.
Call me an idiot but I think Ukraine is going to pull this out
Russia may win the initial war, but they will be destroyed by the sanctions and the insurgency that is coming their way.
Missile strike on administration building in Kharkiv which reportedly also destroyed the Slovenian consulate according to @MattiMaasikas pic.twitter.com/OxVC5PYUK9
— ELINT News (@ELINTNews) March 1, 2022
Looks like the E-3 is coming as close as 20 nm from the border on the bottom end of his figure 8. This is also the first time I have seen one fly a figure 8 instead of a racetrack pattern. I wonder if there is any tactical advantage with a figure 8 pattern in terms of radar.txags92 said:
Is it just me or is the new E-3 on station flying alot closer to the Polish/Belarus border than the one last night? Lots of tanker assets in the air for planes that aren't showing up on ADSB/Flightradar...wonder if these denials by Romania, Poland, etc are just for show to help them save face with Russia diplomatically.
That's happening, too.Jock 07 said:74OA said:Already HappeningJock 07 said:JobSecurity said:Yup. Office of the Russian prosecutor general has blocked the sites of @tvrain and Echo of Moscow, two of the last independent Russian broadcasters, for "false reporting" on the war. https://t.co/hWgBKWkW91
— Julia Ioffe (@juliaioffe) March 1, 2022
Hopefully the western world has the fortitude to start a psyops campaign to spread the truth to those within Russia. Paybacks a ***** for decades of trying to undermine democracies around the world.
Disruption is fine but I'm more talking about providing a platform where folks like Mikhail Khodorkovsky can spread their message to the masses.
Max Power said:I think you nailed the two most likely factors: training and soldiers that don't believe in the cause. I have no idea how much training these soldiers undergo for matters like this anymore than I know what our own do. Perhaps it's a complete leadership breakdown, which wouldn't be shocking either. If there's a complete communications fiasco then that also could have played a part. So much time has passed since the USSR has officially existed that I would venture to say the majority of the Russian soldiers don't care about overtaking Ukraine, it's a goal of old men like Putin wanting to bring back their old world while they still have time. I think it's a combination of all the above, and then some.Big Al 1992 said:
Is anyone else amazed that the Russians weren't trained to dispose of their tanks, weaponry etc when about to be captured, or abandoned? Doesn't US always try to dispose of any equipment if there's a chance it goes to enemy hands - just to not allow intelligence gathering? Of course they may have been trained to not leave a tank in enemy hands, blow it up or render inoperable before you leave it - or the Russians just DGAS and are bailing out.
But before we get too judgmental about their military in that regard lets not forget what our own military did (or didn't do) when they had plenty of time and resources to destroy our equipment in Afghanistan before leaving.
Reminds me a bit of the Siege of Alesia situation...Ag In Ok said:FireAg said:
Is the best Uke strategic plan to let RU forces in and then cut off their supplies?
They ain't going anywhere fast, it appears...
Would it be the first time in history where the besieged starves the sieging army?
.......people on foot also come running out of the smoke, too.NewOldAg said:
Watching the occupants of that grey car get out alive was incredible.
W said:yes, this is a great example of the problem with "civilized" or "nice" warBlackGoldAg2011 said:letting angry crowds of people form a country you are invading get that close to your vehicles and even pound on them seems to me like a great way to get IEDs planted in your fender/wheel wells....Fitch said:
Apologies if already posted.#Putin isn’t fighting just a military in #Ukraine
— Marco Rubio (@marcorubio) March 1, 2022
He is fighting over 40 millions people in a war that will never end and he can never win
pic.twitter.com/HBoTswxFd4
10 — they want to finish all the speeches today so that they can start with the vote on Wednesday
— Amanda Price (@amandaruthprice) March 1, 2022
Happened in the same area almost 80 years ago.Ag In Ok said:FireAg said:
Is the best Uke strategic plan to let RU forces in and then cut off their supplies?
They ain't going anywhere fast, it appears...
Would it be the first time in history where the besieged starves the sieging army?
This **** is out of hand, with a heavy heart I predict the US is at war with Putin within two weeksTRM said:
Technically, this is an attack on NATO member.
ETA: This was earlier today. Just a damage update.Missile strike on administration building in Kharkiv which reportedly also destroyed the Slovenian consulate according to @MattiMaasikas pic.twitter.com/OxVC5PYUK9
— ELINT News (@ELINTNews) March 1, 2022
I saw a video several pages back where a group of Ukrainian civilians had set up an improvised roadblock. The Russian vehicles pull off to the side of the road and that's it. I zoomed in to confirm and saw no one dismounting these vehicles. I'm simply amazed by this. It's been a long time since I've been in the Army but one thing I remember is security. I've pointed out before I never see Russian troops pulling security. Seen the video of the Russian BMP being lit up practically point blank range by a RPG? Where were the dismounts that could have prevented that? The Russian troops are poorly trained, and they are poorly led. I last saw a casualty count of about 5500 troops from yesterday. As poopie as these troops are performing I'm legitimately wondering if that is actually a conservative estimate.Max Power said:I think you nailed the two most likely factors: training and soldiers that don't believe in the cause. I have no idea how much training these soldiers undergo for matters like this anymore than I know what our own do. Perhaps it's a complete leadership breakdown, which wouldn't be shocking either. If there's a complete communications fiasco then that also could have played a part. So much time has passed since the USSR has officially existed that I would venture to say the majority of the Russian soldiers don't care about overtaking Ukraine, it's a goal of old men like Putin wanting to bring back their old world while they still have time. I think it's a combination of all the above, and then some.Big Al 1992 said:
Is anyone else amazed that the Russians weren't trained to dispose of their tanks, weaponry etc when about to be captured, or abandoned? Doesn't US always try to dispose of any equipment if there's a chance it goes to enemy hands - just to not allow intelligence gathering? Of course they may have been trained to not leave a tank in enemy hands, blow it up or render inoperable before you leave it - or the Russians just DGAS and are bailing out.
But before we get too judgmental about their military in that regard lets not forget what our own military did (or didn't do) when they had plenty of time and resources to destroy our equipment in Afghanistan before leaving.I saw a video several pages back showing a group of civilian Urkrainians stopping a Russian convoy with an improvised roadblock. The Russian vehicles pull off to the side of the road
we are dealing with an evil not seen since Hitler better to deal with him sooner rather than laterhbtheduce said:
Doubtful unless Russia actually attacks us first. War is polling TERRIBLY right now.
Tonight the #Ukrainian military reported battles (over the past day) to stave off offensives against Kipti and Nizhyn, both located in the Chernihiv Oblast, northeast of Kyiv.
— Michael A. Horowitz (@michaelh992) March 1, 2022
This is meant to both isolate Chernihiv and pave the groundwork for an attack on Kyiv from the east
Russia had amassed a significant force opposite Kharkiv, but the city still holds, which is key to the broader Ukrainian ability to delay the Russian advances, and avoid being dealt a killing blow.
— Michael A. Horowitz (@michaelh992) March 1, 2022
So Russia is resorting to mass-shelling.
Ranger26 said:
We have a KC-135 flying circles in Poland, and a KC-10 flying back to Poland from working in Romania. So we're refueling aircraft around Ukraine.
Why does this even matter? Won't Russia just veto it anyways?JobSecurity said:10 — they want to finish all the speeches today so that they can start with the vote on Wednesday
— Amanda Price (@amandaruthprice) March 1, 2022
General Assembly and the Security Council are different. GA has no impact on peacekeeping operations iirc.GarryowenAg said:Why does this even matter? Won't Russia just veto it anyways?JobSecurity said:10 — they want to finish all the speeches today so that they can start with the vote on Wednesday
— Amanda Price (@amandaruthprice) March 1, 2022
Bag said:we are dealing with an evil not seen since Hitler better to deal with him sooner rather than laterhbtheduce said:
Doubtful unless Russia actually attacks us first. War is polling TERRIBLY right now.
