People do not understand the implications of 55 "NATO surplus" Mig-29's arriving in Ukraine immediately mean.

The UAF cannot assimilate & use those Mig-29's that quickly without pilots and ground crew to go with them.

Unless this is NATO's version of Chennault's Flying Tigers. https://t.co/Azn1VJWXKE

— Trent Telenko (@TrentTelenko) February 28, 2022

Assuming NATO pulls out the Lk 16, it can set up an analogue radio relay in Ukraine for voice & data.

Then you could seat a Ukrainian radar air intercept officer in the AWACS with a NATO instructor & drive intercepts from the E-3D

The Russians have picked the wrong fight
/End

— Trent Telenko (@TrentTelenko) February 28, 2022

Dan Scott said:

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We've already essentially declared war on Russia. We're supplying Ukraine and sanctioning their economy. If I'm Russia that's declaration of war

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I agree. If my enemy is shooting me with your weapons and you have stopped my ability to transact business, we would be at war so far as I'm concerned

Is the a10 in the nato inventory??

Non aviator translation? Why would they take out the good stuff and make them go old school analog radio?

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JobSecurity said:

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Not that the result was in doubt but this is the first confirmation I've seen

AND NOW THIS ... (Reuters) - A referendum in Belarus on Sunday approved a new constitution ditching the country's non-nuclear status at a time when the former Soviet republic has become a launch pad for Russian troops invading Ukraine, Russian news agencies said.

— Phil Stewart (@phildstewart) February 27, 2022

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I hate to say it, but it's not going to take much to get this whole thing to spin out of control…

It's not hyperbole…Russians are doing a lot of saber rattling with nukes today…

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Agreed. The heat is rising quickly. The 11 "divisions" about to come ashore, flood of weapons, higher end armaments, with millions of citizens hunkering down - this is about to get out of hand.

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Non aviator translation? Why would they take out the good stuff and make them go old school analog radio?

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Not an aviator, there are a few on this board though. If these are going to be flying immediately over, either they are going over as-is and they will be going with their pilots flying the Ukrainian Flag as Ukrainians or the other countries have been already been preparing for this eventuality over the last couple of days and ripped any sensitive equipment out.

Frankly, I'm really wondering if we are going to be seeing a modern day Flying Tigers basically.

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FireAg said:

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JobSecurity said:

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Not that the result was in doubt but this is the first confirmation I've seen

AND NOW THIS ... (Reuters) - A referendum in Belarus on Sunday approved a new constitution ditching the country's non-nuclear status at a time when the former Soviet republic has become a launch pad for Russian troops invading Ukraine, Russian news agencies said.

— Phil Stewart (@phildstewart) February 27, 2022

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I hate to say it, but it's not going to take much to get this whole thing to spin out of control…

It's not hyperbole…Russians are doing a lot of saber rattling with nukes today…

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Agreed. The heat is rising quickly. The 11 "divisions" about to come ashore, flood of weapons, higher end armaments, with millions of citizens hunkering down - this is about to get out of hand.

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When did the amphibious landing go from 11 battalions to 11 divisions? Did I miss something?

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Dan Scott said:

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We've already essentially declared war on Russia. We're supplying Ukraine and sanctioning their economy. If I'm Russia that's declaration of war

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I agree. If my enemy is shooting me with your weapons and you have stopped my ability to transact business, we would be at war so far as I'm concerned

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Did we go to war with Russia as they were supplying the Vietnamese with SAMS, Mig-21's (With pilots in some cases), and other weapons systems? Now the sanctions are another story.

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Ditto Afghanistan to a degree.

Dan Scott said:

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We've already essentially declared war on Russia. We're supplying Ukraine and sanctioning their economy. If I'm Russia that's declaration of war

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I was about to ask...what's the difference between providing weapons, aircraft, etc and bombing them ourselves? In their eyes it's probably equivalent

Ag In Ok said:

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FireAg said:

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JobSecurity said:

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Not that the result was in doubt but this is the first confirmation I've seen

AND NOW THIS ... (Reuters) - A referendum in Belarus on Sunday approved a new constitution ditching the country's non-nuclear status at a time when the former Soviet republic has become a launch pad for Russian troops invading Ukraine, Russian news agencies said.

— Phil Stewart (@phildstewart) February 27, 2022

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I hate to say it, but it's not going to take much to get this whole thing to spin out of control…

It's not hyperbole…Russians are doing a lot of saber rattling with nukes today…

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Agreed. The heat is rising quickly. The 11 "divisions" about to come ashore, flood of weapons, higher end armaments, with millions of citizens hunkering down - this is about to get out of hand.

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I said this either Friday or last night, along with many others, Russian needed to "win" days ago or this risked going to a much bigger level.

Each hour that passes, each plane/helicopter/tank/airborne division taken out bruises an unstable man's ego. Russia retreating or stopping is not a realistic option. Only escalation is an option for putin. He already has all the sanctions the world can bring. Whats the motivation to stop?

Either someone must take him down from within or he does something monumentally rash.

He's already fired a major commander. That guy is already dead or in Siberia, probably.

Uke needs to go on the offensive at some point and push the ruskies out and rout them. Putin, from afar, can't stop his soldiers from quitting.

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Yeah, Unless there are Ukrainian nationals in NATO countries that can fly it.

The NATO countries are walking a VERY fine line here. Seems like the powers at be want to throw us into full on confrontation with Russia.

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Europe remembers not long ago when they were just about all taken over and decimated by a few ******* dictators. They may remember what works and what doesn't. Kudos to them for hammer down mentality.

This is happening in the EU's backyard. I just don't see how they can sit on their hands. An unpopular opinion on this site but they (Europe) remember WW II.

Vietnam:

Due to the urgency brought on by Operation Rolling Thunder, and until North Vietnamese missilemen could be trained, Soviet PVO SAM Anti-Aircraft Missile operator/instructors were quickly deployed to North Vietnam in 1965, and through 1966 were responsible for downing approximately 48 US aircraft during the course of defending North Vietnam. There is one reported ace pilot from the USSR, Col. Vadim Shcherbakov who is credited with 6 air-to-air kills.

I realize that it was 50 years ago, but not unprecedented.

I thought the firing turned out to be false.

We still haven't sanctioned their O&G sector. And sanctions take time. We could also crank cyber up on them as well.

Plenty of screws left to turn. But the pressure is on. How long will the Russian people live in the Dark Ages?

Agthatbuilds said:

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Dan Scott said:

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We've already essentially declared war on Russia. We're supplying Ukraine and sanctioning their economy. If I'm Russia that's declaration of war

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I agree. If my enemy is shooting me with your weapons and you have stopped my ability to transact business, we would be at war so far as I'm concerned

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If Russia attacks anything outside of Ukraine they will draw the West into a live war beyond sanctions. I think the West needs to be prepared for Russian military retaliation to sanctions.

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Dan Scott said:

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We've already essentially declared war on Russia. We're supplying Ukraine and sanctioning their economy. If I'm Russia that's declaration of war

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I agree. If my enemy is shooting me with your weapons and you have stopped my ability to transact business, we would be at war so far as I'm concerned

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Did we go to war with Russia as they were supplying the Vietnamese with SAMS, Mig-21's (With pilots in some cases), and other weapons systems? Now the sanctions are another story.

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Obviously not directly. The nukes prevented that and might still here. That's why putin is nuke rattling. Will he use them? Doubtful.

I think we'd have been justified to go to war with Russia when they were supplying Vietnam or them with us when we were supplying Afghanistan.

There appears to be quite a bit of discontent with this war by the Russian people. More than putin probably guessed there would be

I just hope the sanctions on putins inner circle creates enough pressure to sack him.

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Jsimonds58 said:

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Wow, the European Union has just announced after the earlier announcement that NATO Provided Combat Aircraft will be Fighting in Ukrainian Airspace within the next hour, this could completely change the War.

— OSINTdefender (@sentdefender) February 27, 2022

Holy ****

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Flying in #Ukraine skies within the hour. https://t.co/8NKJiP8upG

— Alexandre Krauss (@AlexandreKrausz) February 27, 2022

Guy is a senior advisor EU parliament.

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Then he is a dumbass announcing this. Good lord !!!

Irish 2.0 said:

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Time to stop playing **** around and sanction the oil. It may hurt us in the short term, but it will end them in the short term. Financial collapse is the way to end this. Force the oligarchs to end Putin for their own self preservation.

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We'd be fine. Olaf would be up a creek. It's still winter in Germany. It's a last resort.

Asphyxiation is the play to diplomacy. Don't give the dude a yolo option.

'03ag said:

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Does NATO have aircraft that Ukranian pilots could operate?

If the plan is to hand over aircraft, sending them a bunch of Typhoons won't do them any good will it?

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Yes Poland has Mig-29's

Why broadcast military strategy on Twitter? Wouldn't it be better if the air support surprised Russia and they have to figure out themselves where it's coming from?

German winter has been relatively mild this year and they've got enough reserves to whether the remainder of it. It's the play now before the weather goes to **** in Ukraine and you've got the Russians and their heavy machinery trapped in Ukraine

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Why broadcast military strategy on Twitter? Wouldn't it be better if the air support surprised Russia and they have to figure out themselves where it's coming from?

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It's a show of force and the solidarity/commitment of the west

ttu_85 said:

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'03ag said:

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Does NATO have aircraft that Ukranian pilots could operate?

If the plan is to hand over aircraft, sending them a bunch of Typhoons won't do them any good will it?

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Yes Poland has Mig-29's

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I think they Poles were going to retire these anyway, so they found a new owner for as long as they last. I assume either the Ukes have enough weapons for them or the Poles are providing them. They may not have to worry much about maintenance as with the high threat environment, they may be single use aircraft.