lb3 said:

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hunter2012 said:

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IDaggie06 said:

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JobSecurity said:

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Elon Musk says, Starlink is now active in Ukraine, SpaceX is sending terminalshttps://t.co/MDrBVtfmhh

— Forbes Ukraine (@forbes_ukraine) February 26, 2022

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Help me out, what's this actually mean?

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It means for those that have a signal from those terminals will not need wired internet to remain connected. Basically the Russians will not be able to cut of their communications by cutting lines. This assumes they will have the terminals setup.

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Starlink must have a base station within view to downlink the data back to the internet. Best I can tell after a short review is that the nearest ground station is in Wola Krobowska, Poland. I'm not sure how much of Ukraine can be covered with that ground station.

Here is a picture of the Polish ground station:


Here is on in Turkey for comparison:

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The starlink satellites have laser data links between each other in space. It's not about the satellite having a direct line of access to the ground station, but a (daisy chain) connection to the sats in near it that…then do.

GarryowenAg said:

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OSINT Live Feed reporting on ground sources identified 3 columns of tanks moving toward Kyiv; estimated 500 tanks in total.

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Hope the Ukrainians have seen con air on how to clog up a Convoy

So what happens with the oil depot? Can they put it out? Is fire rescue still available?? Especially with the heavy shellings?

jabberwalkie09 said:

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GarryowenAg said:

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OSINT Live Feed reporting on ground sources identified 3 columns of tanks moving toward Kyiv; estimated 500 tanks in total.

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That's a lot of armor to keep fueled

It's bold strategy Cotton, let's see how it works out for him.

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What's a realistic range that a tank can travel on paved roads before it's out of fuel?

Edit: Based on a Google search, it looks like tanks have a range of 200 miles to 300 miles depending on the specific tank. Have to wonder if Russia had the fuel to top off 500 tanks in country before they started their journey. This could be some of the most powerful videos we've seen to come out of Ukraine, if tanks start running out of fuel in the capital.

Whirligigs said:

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If the Soviets fail miserably - what a shift in geopolitics over night.

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They still have nukes, however.

Rosstafari said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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GarryowenAg said:

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OSINT Live Feed reporting on ground sources identified 3 columns of tanks moving toward Kyiv; estimated 500 tanks in total.

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That's a lot of armor to keep fueled.


It's bold strategy Cotton, let's see how it works out for him.

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Zero infantry support. They're going to get lit up by Uke mobile anti-armor.

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I would assume the UA was holding back on those Javelin's and NLAW's until a big armor push materialized. Game On!!!

nortex97 said:

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lb3 said:

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hunter2012 said:

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IDaggie06 said:

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JobSecurity said:

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Elon Musk says, Starlink is now active in Ukraine, SpaceX is sending terminalshttps://t.co/MDrBVtfmhh

— Forbes Ukraine (@forbes_ukraine) February 26, 2022

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Help me out, what's this actually mean?

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It means for those that have a signal from those terminals will not need wired internet to remain connected. Basically the Russians will not be able to cut of their communications by cutting lines. This assumes they will have the terminals setup.

---

Starlink must have a base station within view to downlink the data back to the internet. Best I can tell after a short review is that the nearest ground station is in Wola Krobowska, Poland. I'm not sure how much of Ukraine can be covered with that ground station.

Here is a picture of the Polish ground station:


Here is on in Turkey for comparison:

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The starlink satellites have laser data links between each other in space. It's not about the satellite having a direct line of access to the ground station, but a (daisy chain) connection to the sats in near it that…then do.

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The first batch of satellites with laser links only launched this last September. It'll be awhile before the majority of the constellation has the capability.

GarryowenAg said:

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OSINT Live Feed reporting on ground sources identified 3 columns of tanks moving toward Kyiv; estimated 500 tanks in total.

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Quantity has a quality all it's own. /Stalin

I was waiting for the Ruskies to lose patience and bum rush the capital. This could be the pivotal night for the Ukrainians. Hold that city.

akaggie05 said:

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nortex97 said:

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lb3 said:

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hunter2012 said:

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IDaggie06 said:

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JobSecurity said:

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Elon Musk says, Starlink is now active in Ukraine, SpaceX is sending terminalshttps://t.co/MDrBVtfmhh

— Forbes Ukraine (@forbes_ukraine) February 26, 2022

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Help me out, what's this actually mean?

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It means for those that have a signal from those terminals will not need wired internet to remain connected. Basically the Russians will not be able to cut of their communications by cutting lines. This assumes they will have the terminals setup.

---

Starlink must have a base station within view to downlink the data back to the internet. Best I can tell after a short review is that the nearest ground station is in Wola Krobowska, Poland. I'm not sure how much of Ukraine can be covered with that ground station.

Here is a picture of the Polish ground station:


Here is on in Turkey for comparison:

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The starlink satellites have laser data links between each other in space. It's not about the satellite having a direct line of access to the ground station, but a (daisy chain) connection to the sats in near it that…then do.

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The first batch of satellites with laser links only launched this last September. It'll be awhile before the majority of the constellation has the capability.

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If musk is sending starlink receivers there I'm willing to bet it will work or else that's a pointless thing to do. Any bandwidth will be better than no bandwidth especially as we've seen propaganda and information flow has been key to the Ukraine

How could tanks not get queued behind the tanks in front if the one in front is blown up? I was in the navy not army so I'm curious how that would work seems like sitting ducks in an urban environment. In the country each tank could make its own path.

Looks like the Ukrainians have been gifted a lot of stinger missiles.

TAMUallen said:

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akaggie05 said:

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nortex97 said:

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lb3 said:

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hunter2012 said:

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IDaggie06 said:

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JobSecurity said:

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Elon Musk says, Starlink is now active in Ukraine, SpaceX is sending terminalshttps://t.co/MDrBVtfmhh

— Forbes Ukraine (@forbes_ukraine) February 26, 2022

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Help me out, what's this actually mean?

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It means for those that have a signal from those terminals will not need wired internet to remain connected. Basically the Russians will not be able to cut of their communications by cutting lines. This assumes they will have the terminals setup.

---

Starlink must have a base station within view to downlink the data back to the internet. Best I can tell after a short review is that the nearest ground station is in Wola Krobowska, Poland. I'm not sure how much of Ukraine can be covered with that ground station.

Here is a picture of the Polish ground station:


Here is on in Turkey for comparison:

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The starlink satellites have laser data links between each other in space. It's not about the satellite having a direct line of access to the ground station, but a (daisy chain) connection to the sats in near it that…then do.

---

The first batch of satellites with laser links only launched this last September. It'll be awhile before the majority of the constellation has the capability.

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If musk is sending starlink receivers there I'm willing to bet it will work or else that's a pointless thing to do. Any bandwidth will be better than no bandwidth especially as we've seen propaganda and information flow has been key to the Ukraine

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Don't get me wrong, I think it will work (especially with a ground station apparently being right next door in Poland)

Rosstafari said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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GarryowenAg said:

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OSINT Live Feed reporting on ground sources identified 3 columns of tanks moving toward Kyiv; estimated 500 tanks in total.

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That's a lot of armor to keep fueled.


It's bold strategy Cotton, let's see how it works out for him.

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Zero infantry support. They're going to get lit up by Uke mobile anti-armor.

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Unless there's mech infantry mixed within the columns.

Polaris75 said:

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Russia did not have a plan, Putin just said charge.

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They had a plan. It was just a rigid plan they've refused to deviate from that was predicated on poor intel, unrealistic assumptions, and insufficient logistical support. That could be argued to be worse than no plan.

Does Putin seem different this time around? Like a bit more nutty? If he's backed into a corner will he consider a YOLO move?

Keep in mind we only get partial info from Twitter. We don't know the Russian plan of battle.

BTHOtrolls said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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GarryowenAg said:

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OSINT Live Feed reporting on ground sources identified 3 columns of tanks moving toward Kyiv; estimated 500 tanks in total.

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That's a lot of armor to keep fueled

It's bold strategy Cotton, let's see how it works out for him.

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What's a realistic range that a tank can travel on paved roads before it's out of fuel?

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I don't know off the top of my head but it depends on the tank and if it has the external tanks. Wikipedia should have some info. It's going to be different without knowing what type of tanks these are reported to be. Iirc every tank that was in Belgorod and moved to Kharkiv had external tanks fitted, so I would assume these units will be no different. I think what we have seen has been T-72's and T-80's. I haven't seen reports, pictures, or videos of T-90's anywhere.

Yep. Ammo trucks, possibly fuel, armored riflemen, etc.

jabberwalkie09 said:

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BTHOtrolls said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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GarryowenAg said:

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OSINT Live Feed reporting on ground sources identified 3 columns of tanks moving toward Kyiv; estimated 500 tanks in total.

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That's a lot of armor to keep fueled

It's bold strategy Cotton, let's see how it works out for him.

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What's a realistic range that a tank can travel on paved roads before it's out of fuel?

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I don't know off the top of my head but it depends on the tank and if it has the external tanks. Wikipedia should have some info. It's going to be different without knowing what type of tanks these are reported to be. Iirc every tank that was in Belgorod and moved to Kharkiv had external tanks fitted, so I would assume these units will be no different. I think what we have seen has been T-72's and T-80's. I haven't seen reports, pictures, or videos of T-90's anywhere.

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OSINT folks said 72's were mostly in the columns. Wiki said their range is approx 300mi (double it with external tanks). Our typical resupply pushed fuel twice a day to armored units. I can't imagine them being able to run more than 12-24 if constantly running.

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Unless there's mech infantry mixed within the columns.

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I'll wager that the 500 figure is all vehicles including troop carriers.

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The BMPs carry infantry.

GarryowenAg said:

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Rosstafari said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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GarryowenAg said:

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OSINT Live Feed reporting on ground sources identified 3 columns of tanks moving toward Kyiv; estimated 500 tanks in total.

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That's a lot of armor to keep fueled.


It's bold strategy Cotton, let's see how it works out for him.

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Zero infantry support. They're going to get lit up by Uke mobile anti-armor.

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Unless there's mech infantry mixed within the columns.

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It wouldn't surprise me if this was the case. A mixture of tank, BMP/BTR, and some variant of artillery is what I was thinking. Straight armor seems like an exercise in futility.

jabberwalkie09 said:

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GarryowenAg said:

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Rosstafari said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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GarryowenAg said:

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OSINT Live Feed reporting on ground sources identified 3 columns of tanks moving toward Kyiv; estimated 500 tanks in total.

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That's a lot of armor to keep fueled.


It's bold strategy Cotton, let's see how it works out for him.

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Zero infantry support. They're going to get lit up by Uke mobile anti-armor.

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Unless there's mech infantry mixed within the columns.

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It wouldn't surprise me if this was the case. A mixture of tank, BMP/BTR, and some variant of artillery is what I was thinking. Straight armor seems like an exercise in futility.

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tanks go boom boom

Hit the BMPs and isolate the armor = winning

Read through the whole Twitter thread.

00:23 EET Ukraine's Special Communications Service published an update from the Armed Forces:
🔻 Kharkiv: the attacks repelled, the city is under Ukraine's control. Many Russian vehicles were destroyed: tanks, armored vehicles, etc. Houses damaged in the city, there are injured

— Euromaidan Press (@EuromaidanPress) February 26, 2022