Ukrainian President Zelenskiy says it was a difficult day but the night will be harder: "They will storm at night"

— BNO News (@BNONews) February 25, 2022

We can confirm the following developments in Ukraine: pic.twitter.com/Iv1xOv6abl

— Ministry of Defence 🇬🇧 (@DefenceHQ) February 25, 2022

jabberwalkie09 said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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per @JenniferJJacobs- The Russians and Ukrainians may be taking steps to negotiate

Zelenskiy’s spokesman, Serhiy Nykyforov: “The sides are holding consultations.”

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) February 25, 2022

Russians going to quit??

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Russians are just going to ask for more outrageous stuff.

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Would buy Ukrainians time if Russia halted advancement during talks.

Rossticus said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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per @JenniferJJacobs- The Russians and Ukrainians may be taking steps to negotiate

Zelenskiy’s spokesman, Serhiy Nykyforov: “The sides are holding consultations.”

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) February 25, 2022

Russians going to quit??

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Russians are just going to ask for more outrageous stuff.

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Would buy Ukrainians time if Russia halted advancement during talks.

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The Ukrainians are about to start taking it to the Russians with an offensive attack. Just my gut. No need to quit now

Poland has always been one of my favorite countries. Brave people and St. John Paul II's homeland.

Agthatbuilds said:

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Rossticus said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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per @JenniferJJacobs- The Russians and Ukrainians may be taking steps to negotiate

Zelenskiy’s spokesman, Serhiy Nykyforov: “The sides are holding consultations.”

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) February 25, 2022

Russians going to quit??

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Russians are just going to ask for more outrageous stuff.

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Would buy Ukrainians time if Russia halted advancement during talks.

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The Ukrainians are about to start taking it to the Russians with an offensive attack. Just my gut. No need to quit now

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Idk about that. Don't give Putin an excuse to escalate things.

Ukrainians remind me of Texans.

Thanks again y'all. You are doing a great job with this thread.

Rossticus said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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per @JenniferJJacobs- The Russians and Ukrainians may be taking steps to negotiate

Zelenskiy’s spokesman, Serhiy Nykyforov: “The sides are holding consultations.”

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) February 25, 2022

Russians going to quit??

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Russians are just going to ask for more outrageous stuff.

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Would buy Ukrainians time if Russia halted advancement during talks.

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OR it would Russia time to consolidate forces and prepare further advancement.

3-4 days doesn't do much for Ukraine but does a whole helluvalot for Russia as far as setting up supply lines and getting more tanks ready to go.

I dont think he can. He's lost the initiative. His enemy has been galvanized. His troops aren't apparently good enough.

His supply lines are *****

An offensive attack doesn't give anymore of a reason to escalate than the current tough sledding. But, it might break his troops

aeroag14 said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Rossticus said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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per @JenniferJJacobs- The Russians and Ukrainians may be taking steps to negotiate

Zelenskiy’s spokesman, Serhiy Nykyforov: “The sides are holding consultations.”

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) February 25, 2022

Russians going to quit??

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Russians are just going to ask for more outrageous stuff.

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Would buy Ukrainians time if Russia halted advancement during talks.

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The Ukrainians are about to start taking it to the Russians with an offensive attack. Just my gut. No need to quit now

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Idk about that. Don't give Putin an excuse to escalate things.

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While I'm skeptical that the Ukrainians could successfully mount an offensive right now, Putin is going to escalate things when it suits his purpose. Frankly I've been surprised that artillery bombardments have been as restrained as they have been.

Maybe that's because of the massive amount of camera phones and social media accounts.

This still has a LONG time to play out, but I said it earlier in this thread or the other. Russian **** is ***** Why would their military **** be anything other than *****

Mark Fairchild said:

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Poland has always been one of my favorite countries. Brave people and St. John Paul !!'s homeland.

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Hope JP2 will see fit to come through with intercession on a miracle…

TRM said:

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"Tankists walk with canisters and try to buy fuel. Soldiers of the occupation forces demand food from the local population. Cases of looting of trade institutions on the side of Russian occupiers have been recorded."

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) February 25, 2022

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I just want to point out that I called this last night.

Yep, Russia needs a break to fix their supply issues and regroup.

Russias plan sounded good on paper. Then the fighting started, the ukes didn't roll over and the plan subsequently went to ***** His forces are too spread out. Just read putin only committed about 60k or so troops to the initial push. So, that's roughly 20k from each direction. What, 10 or so % might be fighters, the rest support. Just not enough manpower.

aeroag14 said:

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Rossticus said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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per @JenniferJJacobs- The Russians and Ukrainians may be taking steps to negotiate

Zelenskiy’s spokesman, Serhiy Nykyforov: “The sides are holding consultations.”

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) February 25, 2022

Russians going to quit??

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Russians are just going to ask for more outrageous stuff.

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Would buy Ukrainians time if Russia halted advancement during talks.

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The Ukrainians are about to start taking it to the Russians with an offensive attack. Just my gut. No need to quit now

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Idk about that. Don't give Putin an excuse to escalate things.

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Putin has shown that he doesn't need an excuse.

If Ukraine and Russka have a negotiation talk, I suspect it to be more along the lines of Putin basically saying they should give them what they want to reduce loss of life otherwise he'll unleash even more hell. I think Putin may use it to give Ukraine an "out"

Rossticus said:

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Mark Fairchild said:

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Poland has always been one of my favorite countries. Brave people and St. John Paul !!'s homeland.

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Hope JP2 will see fit to come through with intercession on a miracle…

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May have to start a Novena to Our Lady of Victory for the Ukes...

aeroag14 said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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per @JenniferJJacobs- The Russians and Ukrainians may be taking steps to negotiate

Zelenskiy’s spokesman, Serhiy Nykyforov: “The sides are holding consultations.”

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) February 25, 2022

Russians going to quit??

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Russians are just going to ask for more outrageous stuff.

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Putin: "Give us your eastern provinces, Crimea and land bridge to Crimea as well as reparations for your heinous actions in this war of aggression that you started. Then we are all good"

Zalenskyy: "RUSSIAN PRESIDENT, GO **** YOURSELF!"

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And then zalenskyy goes to the bathroom to retrieve the pistol planted there and comes out blasting.




No chance Russian security has seen The Godfather right?

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Nitro Power said:

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Let's put some things in perspective

"Fat Man" was dropped on Nagasaki had a blast yield of 21 kT...the TOPOL-M carries a nuclear warhead that is 500 kT

I don't think I need to explain further why I am 100% certain there will be no nuclear weapons used

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Ivan has ICBMs with 20 megatons warheads. Others carry three to five, 5 megaton warheads.

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Why ? Are their system still that inaccurate. in 1985 a Pershing II intermediate range BM could fly through the Kremlin window, WhyThe**** do they need anything bigger than 100KT unless their accuracy sucks.

They only other reason is city killing F* them

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EMPS. Big blast, big pulse. That and their guidance systems probably still suck.

We can confirm the following developments in Ukraine: pic.twitter.com/Iv1xOv6abl

— Ministry of Defence 🇬🇧 (@DefenceHQ) February 25, 2022

I see it differently. Ukraine should consider a deal where they permanently cede crimea, Donbas and Luhansk in exchange for Russsian recognition for their right to join NATO and a promise never to invade again.

It's a crap sandwich, but as good as it will get. Those regions mentioned are already lost and not returning. Frankly, that deal would allow Putin to go home and say he protected ethnic Russian women and children. Otherwise, Putin is too far in to turn back. If nothing else, he will flatten Kyiv and the other major cities like he did in Chechnya. He cannot take a loss. If he does, he ends up living out his last days in a sort of glorified house arrest like Kruschev and Yeltsin did.

That shouldn't be Uke's problem, but it is.

I have plenty of experience brokering deals where the weak party waives their 1% chance of Glory for a viable chance at a normal life.

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That last line is a quote directly from Tom Clancy's Red Storm Rising. It is really amazing to me for how old that book is and that it was written about the Soviets, that it really has been proved pretty prescient in predicting how the Russians would attack, and for what reasons they would fail to advance at the speed they had hoped.

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Haven't Russian supported separatists been fighting in the Donbas for the last 8 years? Why didn't they take note of the lack of progress there?

So I'm admittedly not well versed in the realm of geopolitics and war tactics but I've been following along because I find it all incredibly interesting.

Why is it really out of the question that Putin would use nukes? He's come this far and I don't see him backing down.

If the Ukraines fight back enough to back him into a corner I don't see it out of the realm of possibility. WTF does he care if he's already being cut off and isolated?

I could see him doing what he needs to do to at least come away with what he wants.

And thanks for those sharing all their knowledge on the subjects at hand. While incredibly sad and heartbreaking for the Ukraines the tactics side to all this is interesting.

Ukes don't have leverage for that. Russia is about to take the whole enchilada, in his mind. Putin's offer is "give up and I won't kill all of you".

Not sure how accurate this is. Anyone seeing anything to corroborate?

Russian Su-27 fighter jet has been shot down near Vinnytsia Oblast.

Russian Su-25 jet aircraft was also shot down an hour ago in Vinnytsia Oblast. This means that there might be an Ukrainian anti aircraft system in the area.

— CaucasusWarReport (@Caucasuswar) February 25, 2022

Plus they are handy for digging out underground hardened targets.

I think it was Ukraine who requested these talks. If so, this tells a lot about Ukrainian defensive preparations. I don’t expect miracles. Russia won’t stop its offensive anytime soon. Unless land units are bogged down, which doesn’t appear to be the case. https://t.co/iAn9rabbyx

— Konrad Muzyka - Rochan Consulting (@konrad_muzyka) February 25, 2022

Rather grim intelligence briefings today on fears that Russians frustrated by unexpected resistance will unleash thermobaric weapons and indiscriminate shelling on Kyiv in a bid to break through with horrific consequences for civilians 1/2

— Catherine Philp (@scribblercat) February 25, 2022