Love Gun said:

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I'm surprised we're not seeing tons of videos of AAA spraying the sky. You know they have them. Curious if they're absent, destroyed, or being saved to use against ground targets.

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Rossticus said:

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erudite said:

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Rossticus said:

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2 AN-124s on the way but still on north side of Belarus. Bringing a lot of something.

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Not VDV since that is a "Air Transport Division" only aircraft. My guess would be large AA since planes/helicopters would just fly.

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Or armor if they've lost enough to javelins.

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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I’m expecting to hear more combinations of these claims over the next hour

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) February 25, 2022

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GAC06 said:

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Faustus said:

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Eliminatus said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Zelensky: today we lost 137 military and civilians, including 10 officers. All defenders of the Snake island are dead.
There have been reports about 11 female soldiers who died after Putin’s missile hit their barracks. #StandWithUkraine

— olexander scherba🇺🇦 (@olex_scherba) February 24, 2022

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As crass as it may seem, the defenders of Snake Island are the blueprint for martyrdom that Ukrainians can use to rally around.

Last stands are the stuff of legends. (No matter the circumstances really. I imagine they were all killed by standoff fire)

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That's a much lower body count than I expected from the strikes, bombardment, and invasion on multiple fronts.

I assume Russia is trying to do this like Israel when it attacks militants in Gaza, and minimize the body count (and collateral damage) lest it be used against the stronger force.

The snake island attack seems like a mistake on that front.

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You believe those numbers? Come on man.

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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Rossticus said:

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erudite said:

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Rossticus said:

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2 AN-124s on the way but still on north side of Belarus. Bringing a lot of something.

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Not VDV since that is a "Air Transport Division" only aircraft. My guess would be large AA since planes/helicopters would just fly.

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Or armor if they've lost enough to javelins.

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I think that they would use the rail system to Belgorod if for that. Especially since Kharkiv is still held by the Ukrainians. I'm leaning towards artillery or rocket munitions to be used for Kyiv.

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GAC06 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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erudite said:

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rathAG05 said:

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erudite said:

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Rossticus said:

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erudite said:

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Rapier108 said:

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JB!98 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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KYcatTXaggie said:

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If that was a Bomber why is it flying so low? Transport doesn't make a lot of sense either.

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Maybe SU-24 on some sort of attack run/SEAD operation?

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Or SU-34. Would be nice to have knocked down one of those. It is one of Russia's newer toys. The SU-24 is late 60s vintage.

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That looks like a lot more fuel and debris than a fencer or a fullback.

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Oh I agree. That's why I said earlier I think it was a TU-22M, if it was a bomber.

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No bombs would be the best argument against, unless it was a recon TU-22M. The Russians lost one in Georgia by a Buk in 2008.

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Speculation that the munitions could have incinerated on the way down.

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Shouldn't that cause secondary explosions?
Regardless of what that was, I think Putin will not be happy. He either just lost an expensive missile headed toward a critical target, a strategic bomber, or some sort of transport aircraft airdropping into Kiyv. None of which are good.

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I mean, I'm sure he doesn't want to lose a single plane, but would assume it's just the cost of war and he'll brush it off and press ahead.

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Russia can replace helocopters and single seat fighters. But a strategic bomber? Not so much. They haven't gotten a replacement for the Tu-22M or Tu-160s and the former is almost 50 years old.

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The Tupolev PAK DA (it will get an official designation once in service) should be making its first appearance in the next 2 years. It will be their answer to the B-21 Raider.

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Lol. Yeah like the PAK FA is the answer to the F-22?

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Eliminatus said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Zelensky: today we lost 137 military and civilians, including 10 officers. All defenders of the Snake island are dead.
There have been reports about 11 female soldiers who died after Putin’s missile hit their barracks. #StandWithUkraine

— olexander scherba🇺🇦 (@olex_scherba) February 24, 2022

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As crass as it may seem, the defenders of Snake Island are the blueprint for martyrdom that Ukrainians can use to rally around.

Last stands are the stuff of legends. (No matter the circumstances really. I imagine they were all killed by standoff fire)

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Rossticus said:

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erudite said:

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Rossticus said:

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2 AN-124s on the way but still on north side of Belarus. Bringing a lot of something.

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Not VDV since that is a "Air Transport Division" only aircraft. My guess would be large AA since planes/helicopters would just fly.

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Or armor if they've lost enough to javelins?

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Faustus said:

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Eliminatus said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Zelensky: today we lost 137 military and civilians, including 10 officers. All defenders of the Snake island are dead.
There have been reports about 11 female soldiers who died after Putin’s missile hit their barracks. #StandWithUkraine

— olexander scherba🇺🇦 (@olex_scherba) February 24, 2022

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As crass as it may seem, the defenders of Snake Island are the blueprint for martyrdom that Ukrainians can use to rally around.

Last stands are the stuff of legends. (No matter the circumstances really. I imagine they were all killed by standoff fire)

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That's a much lower body count than I expected from the strikes, bombardment, and invasion on multiple fronts.

I assume Russia is trying to do this like Israel when it attacks militants in Gaza, and minimize the body count (and collateral damage) lest it be used against the stronger force.

The snake island attack seems like a mistake on that front.

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CanyonAg77 said:

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Love Gun said:

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I'm surprised we're not seeing tons of videos of AAA spraying the sky. You know they have them. Curious if they're absent, destroyed, or being saved to use against ground targets.

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If you fire up a radar to shoot your SAM, you just became a target. Perhaps they are being judicious in their use.

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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Rossticus said:

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erudite said:

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Rossticus said:

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2 AN-124s on the way but still on north side of Belarus. Bringing a lot of something.

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Not VDV since that is a "Air Transport Division" only aircraft. My guess would be large AA since planes/helicopters would just fly.

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Or armor if they've lost enough to javelins.

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I think that they would use the rail system to Belgorod if for that. Especially since Kharkiv is still held by the Ukrainians. I'm leaning towards artillery or rocket munitions to be used for Kyiv.

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🚨🇺🇦 Image of the recently intercepted object over Kyiv!!! #Russia #Ukraine #UkraineUnderAttack #UkraineWar #Europe #NATO #EU #US [81] pic.twitter.com/VzRkMCTIQP

— World Events Live - Jon (@IdeologyWars) February 25, 2022

More images of the interception over Kyiv pic.twitter.com/n8Pka2ioMx

— OSINTtechnical (@Osinttechnical) February 25, 2022

GAC06 said:

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Faustus said:

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Eliminatus said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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Zelensky: today we lost 137 military and civilians, including 10 officers. All defenders of the Snake island are dead.
There have been reports about 11 female soldiers who died after Putin’s missile hit their barracks. #StandWithUkraine

— olexander scherba🇺🇦 (@olex_scherba) February 24, 2022

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As crass as it may seem, the defenders of Snake Island are the blueprint for martyrdom that Ukrainians can use to rally around.

Last stands are the stuff of legends. (No matter the circumstances really. I imagine they were all killed by standoff fire)

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That's a much lower body count than I expected from the strikes, bombardment, and invasion on multiple fronts.

I assume Russia is trying to do this like Israel when it attacks militants in Gaza, and minimize the body count (and collateral damage) lest it be used against the stronger force.

The snake island attack seems like a mistake on that front.

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You believe those numbers? Come on man.

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. . . Mr. Zelensky said Ukraine had sustained 137 dead and 316 injured on Thursday. He said Russia wasn't only striking military targets but also civilian sites. . . .

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Eliminatus said:

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Jay Reimenschneider said:

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If Russia can hit our grid so easily, why does Ukraine still have power?

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My biggest head scratcher of all. It's textbook to secure or knockout the vital infrastructure of a city when fighting. The sooner the better.

It's why I have been questioning the goals of this invasion from the get go and have stated as such already. It's awful and people are dying but ultimately this seems like a lighthearted attempt to take over small sections piecemeal. The russians are not committing the units and tactics I would have suspected.

I can see the Russians playing this as safe as possible perhaps which would account for some of this and actually leads credence to what Putin has been saying all along. That this is a military operation and not an invasion. To clarify, yes this is an invasion but not a REAL invasion it seems like is what I am getting at. Russia is hamstrung somehow and I do not know the reasons why. Self inflicted? Uke resistance really that effective? Trying to stay good in PR image? Not rebuild a shattered country?

I'm so confused.

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10thYrSr said:

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Eliminatus said:

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Jay Reimenschneider said:

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If Russia can hit our grid so easily, why does Ukraine still have power?

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My biggest head scratcher of all. It's textbook to secure or knockout the vital infrastructure of a city when fighting. The sooner the better.

It's why I have been questioning the goals of this invasion from the get go and have stated as such already. It's awful and people are dying but ultimately this seems like a lighthearted attempt to take over small sections piecemeal. The russians are not committing the units and tactics I would have suspected.

I can see the Russians playing this as safe as possible perhaps which would account for some of this and actually leads credence to what Putin has been saying all along. That this is a military operation and not an invasion. To clarify, yes this is an invasion but not a REAL invasion it seems like is what I am getting at. Russia is hamstrung somehow and I do not know the reasons why. Self inflicted? Uke resistance really that effective? Trying to stay good in PR image? Not rebuild a shattered country?

I'm so confused.

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Exactly,! Russia is hamstrung because they are WEAK. They have nukes but can't use them. They have soldiers that are much like our soldiers: connected to the internet. They are using their soldiers to fight against people that are too similar to them. The will of a soldier, when fighting what may be their brothers is greatly diminished.

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AgsMyDude said:

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What's the osint stream?

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Rapier108 said:

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GAC06 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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erudite said:

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rathAG05 said:

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erudite said:

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Rossticus said:

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erudite said:

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Rapier108 said:

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JB!98 said:

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Rapier108 said:

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erudite said:

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KYcatTXaggie said:

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If that was a Bomber why is it flying so low? Transport doesn't make a lot of sense either.

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Maybe SU-24 on some sort of attack run/SEAD operation?

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Or SU-34. Would be nice to have knocked down one of those. It is one of Russia's newer toys. The SU-24 is late 60s vintage.

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That looks like a lot more fuel and debris than a fencer or a fullback.

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Oh I agree. That's why I said earlier I think it was a TU-22M, if it was a bomber.

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No bombs would be the best argument against, unless it was a recon TU-22M. The Russians lost one in Georgia by a Buk in 2008.

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Speculation that the munitions could have incinerated on the way down.

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Shouldn't that cause secondary explosions?
Regardless of what that was, I think Putin will not be happy. He either just lost an expensive missile headed toward a critical target, a strategic bomber, or some sort of transport aircraft airdropping into Kiyv. None of which are good.

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I mean, I'm sure he doesn't want to lose a single plane, but would assume it's just the cost of war and he'll brush it off and press ahead.

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Russia can replace helocopters and single seat fighters. But a strategic bomber? Not so much. They haven't gotten a replacement for the Tu-22M or Tu-160s and the former is almost 50 years old.

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The Tupolev PAK DA (it will get an official designation once in service) should be making its first appearance in the next 2 years. It will be their answer to the B-21 Raider.

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Lol. Yeah like the PAK FA is the answer to the F-22?

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Not saying it will be as good, but for Ivan, it is to counter the F-22 and the DA is to be the counterpart to the B-21. They also have another aircraft in development as the answer to the F-35, but I forget what its called right now.

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javajaws said:

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Regarding electricity, I'm guessing two things why they still have some:

1) Russia doesn't want a humanitarian crises on their hand after the Ukraine government falls

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2) The Ukraine government/military is probably so compromised leaving everybody's electronics on probably gets the Russians MORE intelligence than if the electricity was off.

It's not like they need the electricity for defense or anything.

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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javajaws said:

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Regarding electricity, I'm guessing two things why they still have some:

1) Russia doesn't want a humanitarian crises on their hand after the Ukraine government falls

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2) The Ukraine government/military is probably so compromised leaving everybody's electronics on probably gets the Russians MORE intelligence than if the electricity was off.

It's not like they need the electricity for defense or anything.

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Russians can triangulate position based on cell signals from what I understand. Having soldiers with phones charged, on, and location positioning on could potentially help Russian units with this capability to locate Ukrainian positions.

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redline248 said:

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Do we trust that Anonymous is actually doing anything?

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10thYrSr said:

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Anonymous hasn't done anything. Can you list the top 5 things anonymous has done besides get in the news? 4-chan hackers I'd be more onboard with. Anonymous is a deep state organization that threatens actions based on a successful hack many years. Ago. They aren't anything now, but you wouldn't know that because the news hasn't told you so.

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GAC06 said:

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jabberwalkie09 said:

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javajaws said:

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Regarding electricity, I'm guessing two things why they still have some:

1) Russia doesn't want a humanitarian crises on their hand after the Ukraine government falls

and

2) The Ukraine government/military is probably so compromised leaving everybody's electronics on probably gets the Russians MORE intelligence than if the electricity was off.

It's not like they need the electricity for defense or anything.

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Russians can triangulate position based on cell signals from what I understand. Having soldiers with phones charged, on, and location positioning on could potentially help Russian units with this capability to locate Ukrainian positions.

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Russians should concentrate on turning their own soldiers phones off

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