LMCane said:
jabberwalkie09 said:
GAC06 said:
LMCane said:
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JobSecurity said:
so in a country of 44 million-
there aren't 1000 troops available to move 15 minutes from the Capitol?!?!
is Biden's Customs and Border Patrol defending Kyiv?
Or are we watching a pre-determined script of actions with parts of Ukraine military command defection or refusing to fight?
most of the Ukraine military is definitely refusing to fight
you can't run hundreds of tanks and APCs across THE ONE BRIDGE linking Crimea with Ukraine and actually have a real army that is fighting.
for lord's sake- that bridge has been staring the Ukes in the face for years! notice how they can't block a single highway or airfield
but the truckers in the USA and Canada can block entire cities?
Sees tweets
Makes sweeping definitive statements
It's looking like my response to LMC's comments earlier in the thread were just blazed right on past.
LMC- are you really expecting WW1/2 type ground defense of objectives in a conflict which isn't peer or near peer?
was Iraq versus the USA "peer on peer"?
how long did it take the USA to conquer Baghdad in 1991? and in 2003?
I mean, I don't to know about you but using equipment like F-117's, B-2's, and M1 Abrams not to mention cruise missiles against opfor equipment like T-72's, T-59's, and AAA emplacements doesn't exactly seem like peer or near peer to me. YMMV I guess. How we as a military function and move is also different from Russia. I think this has been covered before in the other thread. We could have absolutely steam rolled through Iraq if we wanted to but our ROE is positively more stringent than that evidenced by Russia.
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was North Vietnam "peer on peer" against the USA from 1965-1973?
was Israel "peer to peer" against 6 Arab countries and their British trained armies in 1948? (when they had a total population of 640,000 citizens against 73 million)
Very different theaters of war. Also, I seem to remember Israel receiving quite a bit of material and techno know how help from Europe. Obviously the North Vietnamese had help from third parties as well.
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not sure what your point is- but there are ways to at least SLOW DOWN an invading armored column.
if Taliban, Al Qaeda, ISIS, and Iraqi insurgents could figure it out - but somehow a modern country of 44 million can't figure it out?
Let me make an analogy then just quote myself again. Blowing up the bridge to Crimea would be like if the Mexican military invaded and annexed Galveston Island. Would we just blow up all the bridges leading to the island? If we were to retake it and the bridge was destroyed then air assault (given equitable assets to Ukraine) would be the only option and until that bridge was reestablished, retreat and reinforcement would be almost impossible.
While I understand what you're saying, the mindset of willingly sacrificing people, material, and land you don't have the equipment to retake later isn't necessarily applicable to what I'm seeing from Ukrainians.
That does not mean they will not fight tooth and nail for their country.
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First of all calm down, take a step back, and breath. Second, go back through the thread there's evidence enough of Ukrainians putting up some resistance. They may be dying for it, but this is their fight. Ukraine's air and naval assets being destroyed was basically always accepted imo. Even most of their air defense being hit was a given. I contend that's they were given stingers since they're man portable and require little training.
Russians moving quickly was always expected. That's literally why their military is so mechanized, armor intensive, and with self propelled artillery. Ukrainians were never going to blow up their own infrastructure. Crimea to them is still Ukraine. Cutting off forces from sustainment or retreat would destroy morale. Ukraine can't afford any of that.
Russian lulled Europe and Ukraine into a false sense of reality here. Russia had done annual exercises roughly between February through April in the region for awhile. It wasn't really considered to be imminent by Europe until like the last month. By that time, it was already too late.
