Not really.Kozmozag said:
Does Ukraine have any ability to launch missiles into russia?
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Exactly. It's strategically relevant because of its location.aezmvp said:Its is one of the fastest land routes to Kyiv for armor and mechanized formations.cone said:
can someone clue me in on the strategic value of the chernobyl site?
or is it just a morale deal
There are already too many "news" sources that are attempting to make it something about the nuclear tragedy.
BREAKING: Russia ready to negotiate with Ukraine - Kremlin.
— Conflict News (@Conflicts) February 24, 2022
Russia demands that Ukraine refuse to allow any weapons to be deployed in the country and guarantee that they will remain neutral (not join NATO).https://t.co/rHN0uwU2ud
Hopefully the Ukrainians send back "Send more body bags. But not for us."
"Nuts!!"jabberwalkie09 said:BREAKING: Russia ready to negotiate with Ukraine - Kremlin.
— Conflict News (@Conflicts) February 24, 2022
Russia demands that Ukraine refuse to allow any weapons to be deployed in the country and guarantee that they will remain neutral (not join NATO).https://t.co/rHN0uwU2ud
Hopefully the Ukrainians send back "Send more body bags. But not for us."
If the coffin was damaged it would be, but these are people who can't read a map we're talking about.Strongweasel97 said:Exactly. It's strategically relevant because of its location.aezmvp said:Its is one of the fastest land routes to Kyiv for armor and mechanized formations.cone said:
can someone clue me in on the strategic value of the chernobyl site?
or is it just a morale deal
There are already too many "news" sources that are attempting to make it something about the nuclear tragedy.
Hope a deal is made. There's no reason for more innocent deaths
Ukraine loses control over Hostomel airport near Kyiv and Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant - advisor to the president’s office Mykhailo Podolyak
— Myroslava Petsa (@myroslavapetsa) February 24, 2022
aezmvp said:If the coffin was damaged it would be, but these are people who can't read a map we're talking about.Strongweasel97 said:Exactly. It's strategically relevant because of its location.aezmvp said:Its is one of the fastest land routes to Kyiv for armor and mechanized formations.cone said:
can someone clue me in on the strategic value of the chernobyl site?
or is it just a morale deal
There are already too many "news" sources that are attempting to make it something about the nuclear tragedy.
Russian soldiers just wanted to catch some of those giant catfish from the cooling ponds they saw on "River Monsters".Agthatbuilds said:Ugh. Awful development. "After a fierce battle, Ukrainian control over the Chernobyl site was lost. The condition of the former Chernobyl nuclear power plant, confinement, and nuclear waste storage facilities is unknown," said Mykhailo Podoliak, adviser to head of Chernobyl plant
— Christopher Miller (@ChristopherJM) February 24, 2022
In all seriousness, this is a big problem. Even with the sarcophogus covering much of the dangerous area, live munitions could really fling some heavy radiation back into the air.
Destroyed Russian tank by Ukrainian forces. Location unknown. pic.twitter.com/nC0TVBPDop
— CaucasusWarReport (@Caucasuswar) February 24, 2022
Don't believe this is a tank. Looks like a Russian recovery vehicle.
President Joe Biden has been presented with a menu of options for the U.S. to carry out massive cyberattacks designed to disrupt #Russia’s ability to sustain its military operations in #Ukraine - NBC
— Apex (@Apex_WW) February 24, 2022
TommyBrady said:
Hope a deal is made. There's no reason for more innocent deaths
Russia is playing for keeps right now. How much do you give them before Russia decides they just want it all again?
JUST IN - UBS cuts Russia bond values to zero, triggering margin calls for the bank's wealth management clients.
— Disclose.tv (@disclosetv) February 24, 2022
If they wanted it all he would have sent all his forces into Ukraine. Its pretty clear they are holding back rn.
TommyBrady said:
If they wanted it all he would have sent all his forces into Ukraine. Its pretty clear they are holding back rn.
The Russians can't effectively do a D-Day style of invasion.
I know Joe told Vlad which companies and infrastructure was off limits for cyber attacks.JobSecurity said:President Joe Biden has been presented with a menu of options for the U.S. to carry out massive cyberattacks designed to disrupt #Russia’s ability to sustain its military operations in #Ukraine - NBC
— Apex (@Apex_WW) February 24, 2022
Did Vlad return the favor?
#Ukraine 🇺🇦: as night falls the battle for #Kharkiv continues. pic.twitter.com/0xLVSVVewc
— Thomas van Linge (@ThomasVLinge) February 24, 2022
JobSecurity said:President Joe Biden has been presented with a menu of options for the U.S. to carry out massive cyberattacks designed to disrupt #Russia’s ability to sustain its military operations in #Ukraine - NBC
— Apex (@Apex_WW) February 24, 2022
This strikes me as an extraordinarily bad idea. It would be open season on US private enterprise for cyberattacks by Russian state agents and their proxies.
Your local bank, for example, may get looted in the crossfire of international war.
Russia ministry of defense web site https://t.co/iD4jnrG9w8 appears down right now . pic.twitter.com/J6raf8ltZO
— Gabriel Elizondo (@elizondogabriel) February 24, 2022
If no deal is made thousands more people will die and probably end up in the same situation at the end. It seems like everybody knows Russia won't try to hold the whole country. Make a deal and put permanent bases in the Baltics and Poland and save some innocent life
— *Walter Bloomberg (@DeItaone) February 24, 2022
jabberwalkie09 said:BREAKING: Russia ready to negotiate with Ukraine - Kremlin.
— Conflict News (@Conflicts) February 24, 2022
Russia demands that Ukraine refuse to allow any weapons to be deployed in the country and guarantee that they will remain neutral (not join NATO).https://t.co/rHN0uwU2ud
Hopefully the Ukrainians send back "Send more body bags. But not for us."
NUT'S
TommyBrady said:
If no deal is made thousands more people will die and probably end up in the same situation at the end. It seems like everybody knows Russia won't try to hold the whole country. Make a deal and put permanent bases in the Baltics and Poland and save some innocent life
Thousands of more people, Ukrainians, will likely still die in the areas that Putin would retain. The FSB would see to that. I don't see how either party would come to an agreement.
CharlieBrown17 said:jabberwalkie09 said:CharlieBrown17 said:
35s do have really excellent ways to take and share data across multiple platforms.
They would be more of a bridge than actual ATC.
If we are doing anything more than defensive CAP over Poland I'd be surprised.
Right, that's the thought I was trying to draw out. I know that 35's have data link capabilities.
Not my world but I could see them pinging a F-16 with a target for SEAD or similar
But having them be actually in charge of airspace seems wasteful
I have no real knowledge, but I've been given to believe that we probably aren't putting SEAD assets into the area right now. The reason being is that the Russians would see it as a huge escalation.
The point being, if you're sending someone in to suppress air defenses, there's a reason. The reason being, they are being suppressed to allow a US air strike. That's a big step, and the Russians know it.
Irish 2.0 said:— *Walter Bloomberg (@DeItaone) February 24, 2022
The vanilla option.
The chocolate option.
The strawberry option.
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JobSecurity said:Ukraine loses control over Hostomel airport near Kyiv and Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant - advisor to the president’s office Mykhailo Podolyak
— Myroslava Petsa (@myroslavapetsa) February 24, 2022
I'm sure the nuclear scientists overseeing the facility will be allowed to work for Russia.
Let's not tell them what we are going to do.
I just hate seeing more deaths that will most likely not change the outcome. Who knows we will see what happens
so in a country of 44 million-JobSecurity said:Ukraine loses control over Hostomel airport near Kyiv and Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant - advisor to the president’s office Mykhailo Podolyak
— Myroslava Petsa (@myroslavapetsa) February 24, 2022
there aren't 1000 troops available to move 15 minutes from the Capitol?!?!
is Biden's Customs and Border Patrol defending Kyiv?
LMCane said:so in a country of 44 million-JobSecurity said:Ukraine loses control over Hostomel airport near Kyiv and Chernobyl Nuclear Power Plant - advisor to the president’s office Mykhailo Podolyak
— Myroslava Petsa (@myroslavapetsa) February 24, 2022
there aren't 1000 troops available to move 15 minutes from the Capitol?!?!
is Biden's Customs and Border Patrol defending Kyiv?
Or are we watching a pre-determined script of actions with parts of Ukraine military command defection or refusing to fight?
Keegan99 said:JobSecurity said:President Joe Biden has been presented with a menu of options for the U.S. to carry out massive cyberattacks designed to disrupt #Russia’s ability to sustain its military operations in #Ukraine - NBC
— Apex (@Apex_WW) February 24, 2022
This strikes me as an extraordinarily bad idea. It would be open season on US private enterprise for cyberattacks by Russian state agents and their proxies.
Your local bank, for example, may get looted in the crossfire of international war.
been telling all my family and friends to print out your bank statements and investment brokerage statements
CanyonAg77 said:CharlieBrown17 said:jabberwalkie09 said:CharlieBrown17 said:
35s do have really excellent ways to take and share data across multiple platforms.
They would be more of a bridge than actual ATC.
If we are doing anything more than defensive CAP over Poland I'd be surprised.
Right, that's the thought I was trying to draw out. I know that 35's have data link capabilities.
Not my world but I could see them pinging a F-16 with a target for SEAD or similar
But having them be actually in charge of airspace seems wasteful
I have no real knowledge, but I've been given to believe that we probably aren't putting SEAD assets into the area right now. The reason being is that the Russians would see it as a huge escalation.
Because it would be. If missiles start coming off US or NATO missile rails and taking out Russian assets, Putin would view it as an act of war.
Yep.Quote:
The point being, if you're sending someone in to suppress air defenses, there's a reason. The reason being, they are being suppressed to allow a US air strike. That's a big step, and the Russians know it.
They did......Kozmozag said:
Does Ukraine have any ability to launch missiles into russia?
Nobody cares. Work Harder
JJxvi said:It's just on the waycone said:
can someone clue me in on the strategic value of the chernobyl site?
or is it just a morale deal
Yep. Chernobyl gives a route to come at Kyiv from the west.
LMCane said:Keegan99 said:
Marco getting reports straight from US Intel.
This isn't a politician freestyling.
use of battlefield nukes to "escalate to deescalate"
that sounds charming!
That's been Soviet/Russian policy for 50+ years. It's largely one of the reasons why we never got into a direct war with them.
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