most likely they're going to pull off whatever anti aircraft tools they can from it and put them elsewhere.

While it still would be preferable to be on a sea bed, but that mobile anti-aircraft platform is taken offline.

Biggest issue for Putin now is any ship is vulnerable to attack. Limits his chess pieces.

Trucks of the Ministry of Emergencies of #Russia in #Kherson pic.twitter.com/3WBvX0ZMKj

— marqs (@MarQs__) April 14, 2022

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Trucks of the Ministry of Emergencies of #Russia in #Kherson pic.twitter.com/3WBvX0ZMKj

— marqs (@MarQs__) April 14, 2022

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Come on Ukraine, you can do better than that.

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Update- ASB Military News (pro Russian independent account so grains of salt and whatnot) are reporting that the Moskva reached Sevastopol under her own power.

Not sure I buy it given that Russian MoD reported evacuation of the crew. Satellite imagery should shed some light on this in the next day or so.

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Yeah I'm waiting for the pictures. I kinda doubt the own power bit but it is possible. If she got there under her own power I'd be looking into a courts martial for the Captain. Abandoning the ship when she can get back to port is a really terrible look.

Waffledynamics said:

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Trucks of the Ministry of Emergencies of #Russia in #Kherson pic.twitter.com/3WBvX0ZMKj

— marqs (@MarQs__) April 14, 2022

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How'd you like to be waiting on these Russian Emergency trucks to come to you knowing they are coming on Chinese tires?

aezmvp said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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Update- ASB Military News (pro Russian independent account so grains of salt and whatnot) are reporting that the Moskva reached Sevastopol under her own power.

Not sure I buy it given that Russian MoD reported evacuation of the crew. Satellite imagery should shed some light on this in the next day or so.

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Yeah I'm waiting for the pictures. I kinda doubt the own power bit but it is possible. If she got there under her own power I'd be looking into a courts martial for the Captain. Abandoning the ship when she can get back to port is a really terrible look.

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I was thinking the same thing. But if you read the quotes from the Pentagon spokesman he makes it seem like they didn't end up evacuating the whole crew. On the other hand the Russian MoD statement makes it sound like they did. Fog of War still undefeated…

The Russians have captured https://twitter.com/cossackgundi, the British national fighting in Mariupol. He's been a marine with Ukraine for about 5 years and has a Ukrainian fiance, so he shouldn't really be considered a foreign fighter or mercenary, but I'm sure he's being depicted as such by Russia.

📽️Aiden Aslin, the Brit who has joined Ukrainian Marines in 2019 has been captured by Russian troops in #Mariupol. #Ukraine #UkraineRussiaWar pic.twitter.com/xrhuGO0miR

— MilitaryLand.net (@Militarylandnet) April 14, 2022

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So do we know what artillery pieces were sent to Ukraine ?

Was the HIMARS system sent?

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News report said Howitzers so I took that to mean old school shells and not missiles.

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The Russians have captured https://twitter.com/cossackgundi, the British national fighting in Mariupol. He's been a marine with Ukraine for about 5 years and has a Ukrainian fiance, so he shouldn't really be considered a foreign fighter or mercenary, but I'm sure he's being depicted as such by Russia.

📽️Aiden Aslin, the Brit who has joined Ukrainian Marines in 2019 has been captured by Russian troops in #Mariupol. #Ukraine #UkraineRussiaWar pic.twitter.com/xrhuGO0miR

— MilitaryLand.net (@Militarylandnet) April 14, 2022

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I mean he's a Ukrainian citizen with a family and residence in Ukraine.

They captured an Ukrainian Marine with previous experience in serving with a foreign service.

I don't get the hoopla other than he had a youtube / twitter account that was "well known".

Ship on fire.

https://t.me/conflictzone/22880

Looks like a pretty bad fire, however at least 5 ships in support for rescue fire suppression etc.

Also seas do not look that rough.

Full thread:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1514586004795109379.html

I believe some context would be beneficial here. The basic load for a rifleman when I was deployed was 210 rounds - 7 mags of 30. Many of us carried more depending on circumstances & expectations. Add 2 pistol mags for another 30 (2x15). So 240 rounds at bare minimum 2/

— Patrick Fox (@RealCynicalFox) April 14, 2022

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Waffledynamics said:

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Trucks of the Ministry of Emergencies of #Russia in #Kherson pic.twitter.com/3WBvX0ZMKj

— marqs (@MarQs__) April 14, 2022

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Come on Ukraine, you can do better than that.

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Looks like some mortar projectiles to me.

Was there any civilian traffic given the two nations are at war? I figure most anything crossing that border would be military

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It'll be a lot easier to hit tied up. Just lob a missle at it every 20 days or so.

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I have been seeing reports that the Russians are finding it impossible to continue ship building due to the sanctions being leveled every day.

Let's see how easy it is for them to rebuild a burned out hulk of a 1977 cruiser.

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Waffledynamics said:

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Trucks of the Ministry of Emergencies of #Russia in #Kherson pic.twitter.com/3WBvX0ZMKj

— marqs (@MarQs__) April 14, 2022

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Come on Ukraine, you can do better than that.

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Looks like some mortar projectiles to me.

Was there any civilian traffic given the two nations are at war? I figure most anything crossing that border would be military

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I'm trying to figure out the outrage here. With a war between the 2 parties, the border should be closed. I imagine they were trying to hit a high priority target passing through.

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The Russians have captured https://twitter.com/cossackgundi, the British national fighting in Mariupol. He's been a marine with Ukraine for about 5 years and has a Ukrainian fiance, so he shouldn't really be considered a foreign fighter or mercenary, but I'm sure he's being depicted as such by Russia.

📽️Aiden Aslin, the Brit who has joined Ukrainian Marines in 2019 has been captured by Russian troops in #Mariupol. #Ukraine #UkraineRussiaWar pic.twitter.com/xrhuGO0miR

— MilitaryLand.net (@Militarylandnet) April 14, 2022

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I mean he's a Ukrainian citizen with a family and residence in Ukraine.

They captured an Ukrainian Marine with previous experience in serving with a foreign service.

I don't get the hoopla other than he had a youtube / twitter account that was "well known".

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He's a Brit who move to Ukraine and became Ukrainian.

I'm saying if it really was Ukraine that shelled this place they should have hit it harder than that

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I'm saying if it really was Ukraine that shelled this place they should have hit it harder than that

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Oh, okay.

I wasn't sure if you were suggesting Ukraine did something wrong by hitting it. That makes sense.

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RebelE Infantry said:

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Sorry for raining on the sunken ship parade

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At the end of the day, whether it was hit by Neptunes or it was an ammunition explosion, its a significant piece removed from the board. If they had to abandon her, its damaged enough that it probably will be in dry dock for a long period of time and I doubt the Russians can refit her quickly.

Still wish she was at the bottom of the Black though

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Don't disagree with this one bit. Major blow to Russia. Shipwrights in Sevastopol certainly have their work cut out for them.

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Wait until they tow it back to dry dock, then blast it again. Take out both with one shot.

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RebelE Infantry said:

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wangus12 said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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Sorry for raining on the sunken ship parade

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At the end of the day, whether it was hit by Neptunes or it was an ammunition explosion, its a significant piece removed from the board. If they had to abandon her, its damaged enough that it probably will be in dry dock for a long period of time and I doubt the Russians can refit her quickly.

Still wish she was at the bottom of the Black though

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Don't disagree with this one bit. Major blow to Russia. Shipwrights in Sevastopol certainly have their work cut out for them.

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Wait until they tow it back to dry dock, then blast it again. Take out both with one shot.

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I'm not sure the Ukrainians have the capability to hit Sevastopol (if that is where the repairs will be made).

If you read about the great military conflicts in history the maneuvering and trap set by brilliant military minds are always fascinating. Recently, it seemed like things had gotten to a place where technology and tactics moved to a place where those types of ingenuity were less common. It's been amazing to watch the Ukranians outwit the Russians.

I mean to have these missiles throughout this conflict but wait for a storm to come through so they knew they had the best chance to land the blow takes an incredible degree of restraint and savvy. Using a drone to distract radar, etc. is brilliant.

I just wish they sent more missiles so the Russians couldn't try to explain it away.

FriscoKid said:

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⚡️ Forbes Ukraine: Russian destroyed navy missile cruiser Moskva worth $750 million.

Ukraine has destroyed 5,260 units of Russian military equipment but the Black Sea Fleet flagship is Russia’s most expensive loss, Forbes Ukraine reported.

— The Kyiv Independent (@KyivIndependent) April 14, 2022

750 Million! That will buy a lot of potatoes.

Putin has to be fuming mad right now as he yells at walls in his bunker. What a disaster he created.

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And that's just a fraction of the $300 billion in currency reserves that were frozen by sanctions because Putin was dumb enough to leave it parked in Western banks while his troops invaded Ukraine.

Russia alleging Ukraine attacking a village, in Russia, with (as of yet) no known military targets, via helicopter. Would seem an odd risk and waste of resources given the location and current priorities in the east. Worth noting that just yesterday Russia announced that any attacks on Russian territory would be justification for renewed strikes on Kyiv.

#Russian media also claim the village of Klimovo in the Bryansk Oblast was targeted by Ukrainian forces and that seven people were injured in the attack pic.twitter.com/BZVdu2kPkI

— Michael A. Horowitz (@michaelh992) April 14, 2022

There are no clashes in this area of the border, so an attack in Bryansk would not make a lot of sense, unless it targets a military target or something connected to it (oil depots for instance, as may have been the case a few weeks ago).

Let's wait for further info

— Michael A. Horowitz (@michaelh992) April 14, 2022

If I'm mapping it correctly, it's only 200 miles from Odessa to sevastopol. Between drone flight time and range of Neptunes, it's not impossible.

RebelE Infantry said:

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G Martin 87 said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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wangus12 said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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Sorry for raining on the sunken ship parade

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At the end of the day, whether it was hit by Neptunes or it was an ammunition explosion, its a significant piece removed from the board. If they had to abandon her, its damaged enough that it probably will be in dry dock for a long period of time and I doubt the Russians can refit her quickly.

Still wish she was at the bottom of the Black though

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Don't disagree with this one bit. Major blow to Russia. Shipwrights in Sevastopol certainly have their work cut out for them.

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Wait until they tow it back to dry dock, then blast it again. Take out both with one shot.

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I'm not sure the Ukrainians have the capability to hit Sevastopol (if that is where the repairs will be made).

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If this map is accurate and a Neptune can hit a docked ship target, Sevastopol is well within range.

One interesting historical tidbit is this would be the first sunk Russian Cruiser since 1941.

— OSINT UK (@jon96179496) April 14, 2022

Anti ship missiles are designed to detect and hit a ship at sea, not in port.

Interestingly, all the ships of that class were built in Mykolaiv, and the fourth and final ship is supposedly 95% complete and is still in Ukraine.

Full thread:

https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1514622070877040644.html

I asked what Moskva had been doing. Western official: "One of its key roles was to provide the command and control function across those vessels operating in the Black Sea...they ought to have sufficient capability to continue to provide air defence [to] their maritime forces."

— Shashank Joshi (@shashj) April 14, 2022

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Anti ship missiles are designed to detect and hit a ship at sea, not in port

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Additionally, if it's no longer capable of serving its primary functions, and is beyond repair within the scope of this conflict, you're better served using those assets to take out something else.

Looks like she's limping back on a wing and a prayer at best.

This looks extremely unlike she is being towed.

Looks more and more like a S&R Operation to me
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They trying to keep ahold of her before she goes down... pic.twitter.com/6QnjU4Pw7a

— OSINT-1988 (@OSINT88) April 14, 2022

Forgive me if this is a stupid question, I do money not warfare for a living. Its seems the ship is damaged but still floating and they are trying to get it back for repairs. Why wouldn't the Ukranians be sending more ordinance at it to permanently sink it? Is that not cool in legal warfare to hit it? Perhaps they can't because medical / rescue personnel are there? I suppose there are many reasons why not and we probably don't know if they tried again.

AgLA06 said:

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If I'm mapping it correctly, it's only 200 miles from Odessa to sevastopol. Between drone flight time and range of Neptunes, it's not impossible.

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Interesting, I didn't know that. Thanks.