lb3 said:
Teslag said:
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As long as Russia holds more Ukrainian land than Ukrainians hold of Russian land. The Russians are winning.
If this war ended today, there is simply no way anyone could consider this a "win" for Russia, despite holding more of Ukraine than vice versa. Russia didn't sacrifice thousands upon thousand, hoards of national treasure, and sacrificing their future generations for what they have today. Not even close. The general consensus in February of 2022 was that Ukraine would cease to exist in months if not weeks. If anyone could see 4 years in to the future and see the current state of things they'd consider it a massive win for Ukraine.
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has no significant weapons advantages
Also worth debating as well. Ukrainian drone tech right now is not only better than Russia, it may be better than most countries on earth.
Russia has an advantage in fiber optic drones. Ukraine has an advantage in ground drones and anti-drone drones. They're basically at parity on that front. Add effective AI and not just machine learning and that could change. In all other weapon systems Ukraine is at parity or behind.
You're missing the larger point. Those are largely tactical defensive drones. Ukraine dominates in the employment of strategic offensive drones and is using them to conduct a classic interdiction campaign that is now penetrating throughout the depth of Russia. That is not parity, it is a huge advantage.
"Cheap, mass-produced Ukrainian long-range one-way attack drones are breaking through one of the most expensive air defense networks ever assembled, with a 20 to 30 percent penetration rate that is proving sufficient to systematically dismantle Russia's oil refining industry and degrade its military logistics.
Russia spent decades and hundreds of billions of dollars building an air defense system designed to stop American bombers and cruise missiles. Ukraine bypassed the question of how to defeat it and asked a different one instead: how many cheap drones does it take to overwhelm it? The answer, refined over two years of operational learning, appears to be: more than Russia can intercept, launched faster than Russia can replace its missiles."
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