hbtheduce said:

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aggierogue said:

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hbtheduce said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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That's murder.

Eff the homeowner. Enjoy prison.

Eff the mother. She apparently knew her time was up.

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Sorry dude. You don't get to assault people at their home in Texas. You definitely don't get to try to take the gun out of their hands.

There could be other evidence that changes the context. But based on the video alone I think the homeowner walks.

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Too easy to murder someone over a heated argument. Imo, the homeowner could have easily tried to de escalate the situation by simply telling his girlfriend to go in the house and calmly asking the father to leave his property. Absolutely no reason to bring a firearm into the situation imo. Father had a right to be angry and at worst should have been arrested. But let's go ahead a kill a man, so I can show how much of a badass I am.

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Reason was lacking. But he has the legal right in Texas to openly carry at any time.

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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Fore Left! said:

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The assault began when the weapon was discharged in the direction of the victim

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So private property is not a thing with you? I can come on your property, chew you out, physically get in your face (he ws physically pushing the small guy) and try to take your gun? Interesting.

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Kvetch said:

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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Fore Left! said:

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The assault began when the weapon was discharged in the direction of the victim

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So private property is not a thing with you? I can come on your property, chew you out, physically get in your face (he ws physically pushing the small guy) and try to take your gun? Interesting.

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Yes to all of the first part. To the gun part, the assault started when the homeowner brought out a gun without being in fear for his life. The guy didn't grab it until a shot was fired. There was absolutely nothing there that justified threat of or use of legal force.

Legally, this is murder and should be treated as such. Sorry if you think private property is some sort of sanctuary from the law, but it's not. Especially when you are in violation of custodial rights, which could be considered kidnapping. You don't get to shoot people because they're on your property or threatening to take you to court. The guy with the guy committed the initial assault and escalated it.

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Marlin39m said:

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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Fore Left! said:

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The assault began when the weapon was discharged in the direction of the victim

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So private property is not a thing with you? I can come on your property, chew you out, physically get in your face (he ws physically pushing the small guy) and try to take your gun? Interesting.

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Tell me where in that video there is a threat to the shooter's life. That wasn't even a fight over the gun. You don't have the right to kill someone for that. This is straight up murder. The shooter took steps back, aimed, and executed.

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hbtheduce said:

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Kvetch said:

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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Fore Left! said:

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The assault began when the weapon was discharged in the direction of the victim

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So private property is not a thing with you? I can come on your property, chew you out, physically get in your face (he ws physically pushing the small guy) and try to take your gun? Interesting.

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Yes to all of the first part. To the gun part, the assault started when the homeowner brought out a gun without being in fear for his life. The guy didn't grab it until a shot was fired. There was absolutely nothing there that justified threat of or use of legal force.

Legally, this is murder and should be treated as such. Sorry if you think private property is some sort of sanctuary from the law, but it's not. Especially when you are in violation of custodial rights, which could be considered kidnapping. You don't get to shoot people because they're on your property or threatening to take you to court. The guy with the guy committed the initial assault and escalated it.

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Texas has constitutional carry. He can arm himself whenever he wants. Doesn't give anyone the right to assault him. The aggressor was the deceased.

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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This:

To the gun part, the assault started when the homeowner brought out a gun without being in fear for his life.


Is one of the most absurd things I've ever read. Good grief! You don't know what the word assault means, obviously.

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Kvetch said:

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hbtheduce said:

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aggierogue said:

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hbtheduce said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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That's murder.

Eff the homeowner. Enjoy prison.

Eff the mother. She apparently knew her time was up.

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Sorry dude. You don't get to assault people at their home in Texas. You definitely don't get to try to take the gun out of their hands.

There could be other evidence that changes the context. But based on the video alone I think the homeowner walks.

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Too easy to murder someone over a heated argument. Imo, the homeowner could have easily tried to de escalate the situation by simply telling his girlfriend to go in the house and calmly asking the father to leave his property. Absolutely no reason to bring a firearm into the situation imo. Father had a right to be angry and at worst should have been arrested. But let's go ahead a kill a man, so I can show how much of a badass I am.

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Reason was lacking. But he has the legal right in Texas to openly carry at any time.

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There's a difference between legal carry and brandishing a weapon as a threat.

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gig em 02 said:

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hbtheduce said:

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Kvetch said:

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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Fore Left! said:

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The assault began when the weapon was discharged in the direction of the victim

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So private property is not a thing with you? I can come on your property, chew you out, physically get in your face (he ws physically pushing the small guy) and try to take your gun? Interesting.

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Yes to all of the first part. To the gun part, the assault started when the homeowner brought out a gun without being in fear for his life. The guy didn't grab it until a shot was fired. There was absolutely nothing there that justified threat of or use of legal force.

Legally, this is murder and should be treated as such. Sorry if you think private property is some sort of sanctuary from the law, but it's not. Especially when you are in violation of custodial rights, which could be considered kidnapping. You don't get to shoot people because they're on your property or threatening to take you to court. The guy with the guy committed the initial assault and escalated it.

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Texas has constitutional carry. He can arm himself whenever he wants. Doesn't give anyone the right to assault him. The aggressor was the deceased.

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Are you trolling? The legal advice you are giving us is incorrect and if you aren't a lawyer it's also illegal.

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gig em 02 said:

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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This:

To the gun part, the assault started when the homeowner brought out a gun without being in fear for his life.


Is one of the most absurd things I've ever read. Good grief! You don't know what the word assault means, obviously.

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Saved for stupidity.

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Fore Left! said:

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After the first shot is fired. No grab at the weapon was attempted prior. The first shot set it off and it was in the direction of the victim

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Fore Left! said:

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Then he stepped back and fired it. No grab was attempted prior to that

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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gig em 02 said:

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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This:

To the gun part, the assault started when the homeowner brought out a gun without being in fear for his life.


Is one of the most absurd things I've ever read. Good grief! You don't know what the word assault means, obviously.

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Saved for stupidity.

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You mean stupidly using the term assault? I agree.

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hbtheduce said:

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Fore Left! said:

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Then he stepped back and fired it. No grab was attempted prior to that

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he was thrown back. He didn't "step" anywhere.

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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This:

To the gun part, the assault started when the homeowner brought out a gun without being in fear for his life.


Is one of the most absurd things I've ever read. Good grief! You don't know what the word assault means, obviously.

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gig em 02 said:

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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gig em 02 said:

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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This:

To the gun part, the assault started when the homeowner brought out a gun without being in fear for his life.


Is one of the most absurd things I've ever read. Good grief! You don't know what the word assault means, obviously.

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Saved for stupidity.

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You mean stupidly using the term assault? I agree.

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Post the definition of assault.

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Kvetch said:

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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This:

To the gun part, the assault started when the homeowner brought out a gun without being in fear for his life.


Is one of the most absurd things I've ever read. Good grief! You don't know what the word assault means, obviously.

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No. I think it is you that doesn't know the legal definition of assault. There is no standard of physical violence. Assault and battery are completely different things.

The people that are most cavalier on this board about the use of their gun rights also seem to be completely unaware of the legal standards required to utilize them. And I say that as someone who fully supports gun rights.

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hbtheduce said:

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Kvetch said:

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hbtheduce said:

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aggierogue said:

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hbtheduce said:

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Agthatbuilds said:

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That's murder.

Eff the homeowner. Enjoy prison.

Eff the mother. She apparently knew her time was up.

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Sorry dude. You don't get to assault people at their home in Texas. You definitely don't get to try to take the gun out of their hands.

There could be other evidence that changes the context. But based on the video alone I think the homeowner walks.

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Too easy to murder someone over a heated argument. Imo, the homeowner could have easily tried to de escalate the situation by simply telling his girlfriend to go in the house and calmly asking the father to leave his property. Absolutely no reason to bring a firearm into the situation imo. Father had a right to be angry and at worst should have been arrested. But let's go ahead a kill a man, so I can show how much of a badass I am.

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Reason was lacking. But he has the legal right in Texas to openly carry at any time.

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There's a difference between legal carry and brandishing a weapon as a threat.

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He merely walks out of the house with the weapon. That isn't brandishing. He is then assaulted.

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Fore Left! said:

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Firing it toward someone is

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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Fore Left! said:

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Firing it toward someone is

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That's not what was stated.

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Fore Left! said:

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hbtheduce said:

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Fore Left! said:

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Then he stepped back and fired it. No grab was attempted prior to that

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he was thrown back. He didn't "step" anywhere.

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The first shot. Try to keep up

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Fore Left! said:

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I'm all for people's right to defend themselves and was 110% Team Rittenhouse, but this is a murder. Going to retrieve the weapon and then discharging the weapon was the first threat of violence. And depending on the details of the custody agreement, I could go for kidnapping too

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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Kvetch said:

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CCP Joe Veggie said:

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This:

To the gun part, the assault started when the homeowner brought out a gun without being in fear for his life.


Is one of the most absurd things I've ever read. Good grief! You don't know what the word assault means, obviously.

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No. I think it is you that doesn't know the legal definition of assault. There is no standard of physical violence. Assault and battery are completely different things.

The people that are most cavalier on this board about the use of their gun rights also seem to be completely unaware of the legal standards required to utilize them. And I say that as someone who fully supports gun rights.

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You absolutely, 100%, have no idea what the term assault means if you think taking a long gun on to your porch is assault.

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45-70Ag said:

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The guy who was gunned down shouldn't have pursued this to the point he did. Take that hoe of an ex wife to court for sole custody.

The shooter should at a minimum spend the rest of his life behind bars. Absolute idiot who needlessly threw down and then took someone's life.

The kid is the loser in this, poor kid had to see his dad murdered by his idiotic step dad.

The wife should lose custody forever.

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