If your neighbor takes his rifle somewhere that he has the legal right to take it and then starts shouting at people and threatening them with it and shooting at their feet, he did nothing wrong?Marcus Brutus said:ShaggySLC said:
His life was in no way threatened until he brought a gun into a situation that wasn't his business. They were hiding the guys kid
So you agree that his life was threatened after he engaged in a completely legal act. Sounds like a case of self defense then.
No need to respond, minds are not being changed.
I just thought it funny that you you contradicted your own conclusion that he should fry.
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Don't forget the allegations in the widow's lawsuit that the shooter had been telling his friends what he would do to the victim. If the allegations are true, then that would certainly sound like he had planned to shoot Read all along.ShaggySLC said:Marcus Brutus said:ShaggySLC said:
His life was in no way threatened until he brought a gun into a situation that wasn't his business. They were hiding the guys kid
So you agree that his life was threatened after he engaged in a completely legal act. Sounds like a case of self defense then.
No need to respond, minds are not being changed.
I just thought it funny that you you contradicted your own conclusion that he should fry.
Lol what, fry? I've said multiple times on this thread, I think he walks on it. I was trying to say no ones life was being threatened until the guy brought a gun out. Then everyone's life was in jeopardy. Just think it's bull**** he brought a gun out. It escalated the situation. Tell the guy where his kid is and he leaves, they decided to shoot him instead. Terrible situation caused completely by the ex and shooter, I hope the widow gets all she can from him.
Whoa. That was tough to watch.
SIAP, as I'm sure somebody brought this up somewhere in the 50 pages, but the wife seems way more concerned about documenting what happened rather than what actually happened. Her husband just got shot and they just continue the argument as if there wasn't a guy dying on the ground. She literally has a phone in her hand and tells someone else to call 911 and continues filming... with her phone.
What a tragedy.
SIAP, as I'm sure somebody brought this up somewhere in the 50 pages, but the wife seems way more concerned about documenting what happened rather than what actually happened. Her husband just got shot and they just continue the argument as if there wasn't a guy dying on the ground. She literally has a phone in her hand and tells someone else to call 911 and continues filming... with her phone.
What a tragedy.
She addressed that, the shots were muffled and sounded like a BB gun. Didn't immediately realize it was as direr as it was. You can hear her at the end say omg, you actually shot him. I'm sure shock played a role too.
TxAgswin said:
Whoa. That was tough to watch.
SIAP, as I'm sure somebody brought this up somewhere in the 50 pages, but the wife seems way more concerned about documenting what happened rather than what actually happened. Her husband just got shot and they just continue the argument as if there wasn't a guy dying on the ground. She literally has a phone in her hand and tells someone else to call 911 and continues filming... with her phone.
What a tragedy.
Few people would act rationally in such an irrational situation.
Everyone involved appears to be an idiot.
Are there still no charges?
Yeah, that's a good point. Not fair to judge someone's reaction in a situation like that.ShaggySLC said:
She addressed that, the shots were muffled and sounded like a BB gun. Didn't immediately realize it was as direr as it was. You can hear her at the end say omg, you actually shot him. I'm sure shock played a role too.
The non-reaction of everyone was just odd. The shooter, the ex-wife, the current wife in the truck, and whoever was in the truck with her all seem to barely acknowledge the guy got shot.
There's actually another video from inside the house and that woman freaks out like a normal person the second the shots are fired. And I think she was already on the phone with 911. Hard to tell though.
There's a lot of crazy **** behind this story. I'm curious to see how it plays out in court.
Here's an article of the time line, of everything going on with the case. Hopefully it helps.joerobert_pete06 said:
Are there still no charges?
https://www.everythinglubbock.com/news/local-news/the-death-of-chad-read-a-comprehensive-timeline-ssj/
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There's more news on the case.
There were two separate civil cases filed. A Judge in San Antonio has been asssigned to them.
From https://www.newschannel10.com/2022/01/03/carruth-asks-change-venue-san-antonio-judge-assigned-cases/
He wanted a change of venue to Smith, Harris, or Cherokee County and to have the civil consolidated into one case. Would these counties be particularly partial to Carruth? Two are in East Texas and one is, of course, where Houston is located.
There were two separate civil cases filed. A Judge in San Antonio has been asssigned to them.
From https://www.newschannel10.com/2022/01/03/carruth-asks-change-venue-san-antonio-judge-assigned-cases/
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Court documents filed on Dec. 15, 2021, show the Honorable Sid Harle, Senior Judge of the 226th District Court of out San Antonio has been assigned to the 237th and 72nd District Courts in Lubbock.
He wanted a change of venue to Smith, Harris, or Cherokee County and to have the civil consolidated into one case. Would these counties be particularly partial to Carruth? Two are in East Texas and one is, of course, where Houston is located.
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In court other court documents filed on Dec. 21, Carruth filed a motion to transfer the venue of both cases and a motion to consolidate them into one case. The motion asks for the venue to be moved to Smith, Harris, or Cherokee Counties in Texas, or wherever the court finds an impartial trial can be had. Carruth also requests a stay in the case.
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Because there is overlap in the civil cases against him, the court documents say a stay is necessary; "there is a significant danger of self-incrimination." The documents also say "Carruth will encounter the kinds of conflicts and tensions that a stay is precisely designed to prevent" if the civil case was to proceed against Carruth before the Attorney General's decision was made.
It looks like one of the civil cases filed was by the deceased ex wife (which you would expect to some degree) the other case filed is by the deceased mother and 3 of his children, those 4 people are being represented by none other than Tony Buzbee per the attached link.eric76 said:
There's more news on the case.
There were two separate civil cases filed. A Judge in San Antonio has been asssigned to them.
From https://www.newschannel10.com/2022/01/03/carruth-asks-change-venue-san-antonio-judge-assigned-cases/Quote:
Court documents filed on Dec. 15, 2021, show the Honorable Sid Harle, Senior Judge of the 226th District Court of out San Antonio has been assigned to the 237th and 72nd District Courts in Lubbock.
He wanted a change of venue to Smith, Harris, or Cherokee County and to have the civil consolidated into one case. Would these counties be particularly partial to Carruth? Two are in East Texas and one is, of course, where Houston is located.Quote:
In court other court documents filed on Dec. 21, Carruth filed a motion to transfer the venue of both cases and a motion to consolidate them into one case. The motion asks for the venue to be moved to Smith, Harris, or Cherokee Counties in Texas, or wherever the court finds an impartial trial can be had. Carruth also requests a stay in the case.
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Because there is overlap in the civil cases against him, the court documents say a stay is necessary; "there is a significant danger of self-incrimination." The documents also say "Carruth will encounter the kinds of conflicts and tensions that a stay is precisely designed to prevent" if the civil case was to proceed against Carruth before the Attorney General's decision was made.
Interesting Buzbee is involved
Is the AG deciding on whether to charge the shooter criminally or has he already been charged criminally?
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According to the article, he is being criminally investigated but no decision has been announced on whether to charge him.Bocephus said:
Is the AG deciding on whether to charge the shooter criminally or has he already been charged criminally?
Carruth case was present to a Lubbock County grand jury yesterday. KCBD is reporting that according to sources no charges will be filed.
AgAE said:
Carruth case was present to a Lubbock County grand jury yesterday. KCBD is reporting that according to sources no charges will be filed.
This whole thing was messed up, the whole thing … not good for either side, some stupidity happened all around, still shouldn't have shot the guy … no need for that ..
fullback44 said:AgAE said:
Carruth case was present to a Lubbock County grand jury yesterday. KCBD is reporting that according to sources no charges will be filed.
This whole thing was messed up, the whole thing … not good for either side, some stupidity happened all around, still shouldn't have shot the guy … no need for that ..
I agree. I'm as 2A and pro self defense as one can get. I think Kyle was in the wrong and escalated the situation. A man did not have to die that day.
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Carruth case was present to a Lubbock County grand jury yesterday. KCBD is reporting that according to sources no charges will be filed.
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That surprises me. Based on that video I would have a really hard time no-billing Carruth if I'm on the Grand Jury - especially if the DA is even somewhat competent.
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jrdaustin said:
That surprises me. Based on that video I would have a really hard time no-billing Carruth if I'm on the Grand Jury - especially if the DA is even somewhat competent.
I can see both arguments... Poor choices all around. Almost like Murphy's law, except you could stay out of this by not screwing others while married.
Chances are if he went to trial woman would've left him anyways. Reminds me of those stories where there's a bar fight over a woman and she ups and leaves both of em for someone else who's not 6 foot under or in prison.
jrdaustin said:
That surprises me. Based on that video I would have a really hard time no-billing Carruth if I'm on the Grand Jury - especially if the DA is even somewhat competent.
The Read family is quoted as not being surprised at the no bill due to lack of motivation of AG prosecutors to pursue the case.
AgAE said:jrdaustin said:
That surprises me. Based on that video I would have a really hard time no-billing Carruth if I'm on the Grand Jury - especially if the DA is even somewhat competent.
The Read family is quoted as not being surprised at the no bill due to lack of motivation of AG prosecutors to pursue the case.
It really should be a jury trial since there are so many factors that make this a vauge case.
I think we have a few lessons here:
1) Don't bang someone else's wife
2) Don't walk towards a man with a gun on his property after threatening to take it
3) Don't fire "warning shots"
4) Only winners are lawyers in this case.
5) Family court is terrible because of the fed.
Grand Jury must not have been familiar with the law.Im Gipper said:Yeah, real simple. Open and shut, simple as day after Thanksgiving pie.gig em 02 said:
This is a very simple murder case. If you don't know that then I strongly suggest you become more familiar with the law before you even think about using deadly force.
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Like we see in Travis County, DA change brings new scrutiny.Quote:
The Read family is quoted as not being surprised at the no bill due to lack of motivation of AG prosecutors to pursue the case.
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Cut and dry "deadly conduct" right there.Quote:
3) Don't fire "warning shots"
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itsyourboypookie said:
And the guy told him to use it or he was going to take it from him.
Not sure there's a jury in Texas that will find him guilty
Told you so
itsyourboypookie said:itsyourboypookie said:
And the guy told him to use it or he was going to take it from him.
Not sure there's a jury in Texas that will find him guilty
Told you so
not reading 50 pages, was there ever confirmation on the type of gun that was?
For some reason this thread popped into my head. Did a search.... Here's the latest and final chapter.
https://www.lubbockonline.com/story/news/courts/2024/12/07/report-sheds-light-on-kyle-carruth-chad-read-wrongful-death-suit/76746929007/
https://www.lubbockonline.com/story/news/courts/2024/12/07/report-sheds-light-on-kyle-carruth-chad-read-wrongful-death-suit/76746929007/
No indictment?
No statement from Buzbee?
No facebook post posing w/ the family?
Only $20K for each family member paid by insurance?
Shocker...
No statement from Buzbee?
No facebook post posing w/ the family?
Only $20K for each family member paid by insurance?
Shocker...
The Kraken said:
For some reason this thread popped into my head. Did a search.... Here's the latest and final chapter.
https://www.lubbockonline.com/story/news/courts/2024/12/07/report-sheds-light-on-kyle-carruth-chad-read-wrongful-death-suit/76746929007/
My opinion totally changed after reading that based on my initial opinion (I can tell by what I starred).
I saw it for what it was. FAFOQuote:
My opinion totally changed after reading that based on my initial opinion (I can tell by what I starred).
You were not alone.
Divorced dad sympathy and evil ex blinded most...
The Kraken said:
For some reason this thread popped into my head. Did a search.... Here's the latest and final chapter.
https://www.lubbockonline.com/story/news/courts/2024/12/07/report-sheds-light-on-kyle-carruth-chad-read-wrongful-death-suit/76746929007/
That's some Jerry Springer **** right there.
Sounds like that ***hole had it coming and got exactly what he deserved. His family doesn't deserve a ****ing dime except maybe his kids.
Just because something is unnecessary, doesn't make it illegal. In other states and countries these type of scenarios lead to new laws that restrict freedom.
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