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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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What is the eucharist and where is it in the bible may be the most Protestant thing I've ever heard.

The last supper? The bread of life discourse in John 6? the passover of the old Testament?

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All things Protestants acknowledge and celebrate and even re-enact. I guess I am wondering how it is exclusive to catholicism?

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Do you believe it's the flesh and blood of christ? Or is the teaching hard and who can accept it?

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Symbolically? Absolutely, what Christian doesn't believe that?

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Not symbolically, obviously. That's a Protestant invention

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Huh? You believe you are LITERALLY eating his body and drinking his blood? No way.

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Why else would it be so important? You think eating bread and drinking juice is the most important part of being a Christian?

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No, eating things is not at all important to Christians. It's the mental and spiritual act of reflection and remembrance and focus on Jesus that is important. I am not a trained monkey, I am an advanced spiritual being capable of real worship.

Why didn't Jesus give his men his literal body and blood to drink of rather than bread and fruit of the vine? Because the focus is on the ritual and it's significance...not on what substances we are ingesting. It is crazy what yall are taught in Catholic school and Mass...and so distant from what the original intent was on many things.

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It's really not though, it has been understood to be the body and blood of Christ until recent. The protestant reformers believed it was his body and blood until very recent; and it was an innovation to distance themselves from the Church.

The passover lamb had to be eaten if the curse of God were to pass over that house; just as the flesh and blood of the paschal lamb has to be eaten for eternal life.

Read the words of John 6, if Jesus had wanted to tell you "no, really my flesh is actually food and my blood is actually drink" what words should he have used instead? If it was really a symbol why didn't he tell those that left "guys, chill out, it's a symbol" as he had in the past whenever his parables were misunderstood?

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OK cool, then I have been eating his literal flesh and drinking his blood this whole time. But I have also been engaging in communion exactly how he and apostles have commanded me too, which is the even more important part. DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.

Making sure you are of sound mind and in a good place spiritually to focus on the process is very important. It is not something to be done flippantly or out of habit or as a reflex. It is the most serious part of worship. So let me correct what I said above...there have been too many times where I just went through the routines and did NOT take communion as serious as I should have. I have to really put effort into making sure I am in a good and reverent place each time.

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1 Corinthians 11
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

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You need validly ordained priest to actually transform the bread and wine to his body and blood, Who is doing so through the ministry and priesthood of Jesus Christ.

The rest that is in Bold is beautiful and truly wish more Catholics who are given the true Body and Blood of Christ had your reverence for what it is.

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Heresy. Hebrews says the old system of needing priests is over. We are all priests.

1 Peter 2:9 But you are a chosen race, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, a people for his own possession, that you may proclaim the excellencies of him who called you out of darkness into his marvelous light

Matthew 23:9 And call no man your father on earth, for you have one Father, who is in heaven.

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anyway, I notice the protestants have vanished from the thread, but someone answer me.

I'm Justin Martyr, it's the year 155 AD; where is my bible to tell me what to do? I have a bunch of different writings, letters and epistles, I've got the Torah and the Tanakh, but I'm not super happy with the jews right now, because they're trying to kill me, and some of what I've read blames them for the crucifixion of my savior.

What do I do?

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Follow those writings and epistles as best you can and I believe God is so understanding that he gave us Jesus to make us whole and free from blemish if we truly follow him. You think he goes to hell if he doesn't eat bread and wine and think they are literally flesh and blood of Christ, but my God is more forgiving and understands that what his son commanded was figurative and the substance being ingested isn't the point. It is to be thought of as his blood and flesh in practice. Not magically transformed into actual human flesh and blood by some tainted priest.

Also, defend yourself from the Jews.

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Indulge me.

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The Catholic church came up with a crazy convenient way to extort money from people...it was a way to reduce the amount of punishment one had to undergo for sins. Rich people could buy their way out of sins. The Catholic church's history is basically varying degrees of perversion and heresy. Again, much respect to the original early church. Which isn't anything like the Catholic church of today. You see that in scripture.

Anyways, indulgences...completely unbiblical, like so much else that men in robes have made up over the centuries.

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Joe Boudain said:

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anyway, I notice the protestants have vanished from the thread, but someone answer me.

I'm Justin Martyr, it's the year 155 AD; where is my bible to tell me what to do? I have a bunch of different writings, letters and epistles, I've got the Torah and the Tanakh, but I'm not super happy with the jews right now, because they're trying to kill me, and some of what I've read blames them for the crucifixion of my savior.

What do I do?

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Follow those writings and epistles as best you can and I believe God is so understanding that he gave us Jesus to make us whole and free from blemish if we truly follow him. You think he goes to hell if he doesn't eat bread and wine and think they are literally flesh and blood of Christ, but my God is more forgiving and understands that what his son commanded was figurative and the substance being ingested isn't the point. It is to be thought of as his blood and flesh in practice. Not magically transformed into actual human flesh and blood by some tainted priest.

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Which writings and epistles? There are a bunch of them that weren't chosen as canon and had a bunch of gnostic beliefs in them, which is a condemned heresy.

Again, how do we know how to follow Jesus in the 300 years before there was a canonized book to follow. It is very important for you to continue to denigrate the priesthood, but calling people names isn't an argument.

The substance is important, as the entire goal of any Christian, is theosis, to become one with God. We "commune" with God when we eat his body and blood; not just in a symbolic or metaphorical sense, but in a real sense.

The Orthodox church don't even try to explain how it becomes body and blood, merely refer to it as a Mystery; the Catholic church has the doctrine of transubstantiaion, and you're telling me 1700 years and 80% of Christendom went through all of this because it's just a symbol?

The Borgias were sh$&& popes and this one seems to be too, that's not sacrilege unless you worship the guy

TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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What is the eucharist and where is it in the bible may be the most Protestant thing I've ever heard.

The last supper? The bread of life discourse in John 6? the passover of the old Testament?

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All things Protestants acknowledge and celebrate and even re-enact. I guess I am wondering how it is exclusive to catholicism?

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Do you believe it's the flesh and blood of christ? Or is the teaching hard and who can accept it?

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Symbolically? Absolutely, what Christian doesn't believe that?

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Not symbolically, obviously. That's a Protestant invention

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Huh? You believe you are LITERALLY eating his body and drinking his blood? No way.

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Why else would it be so important? You think eating bread and drinking juice is the most important part of being a Christian?

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No, eating things is not at all important to Christians. It's the mental and spiritual act of reflection and remembrance and focus on Jesus that is important. I am not a trained monkey, I am an advanced spiritual being capable of real worship.

Why didn't Jesus give his men his literal body and blood to drink of rather than bread and fruit of the vine? Because the focus is on the ritual and it's significance...not on what substances we are ingesting. It is crazy what yall are taught in Catholic school and Mass...and so distant from what the original intent was on many things.

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It's really not though, it has been understood to be the body and blood of Christ until recent. The protestant reformers believed it was his body and blood until very recent; and it was an innovation to distance themselves from the Church.

The passover lamb had to be eaten if the curse of God were to pass over that house; just as the flesh and blood of the paschal lamb has to be eaten for eternal life.

Read the words of John 6, if Jesus had wanted to tell you "no, really my flesh is actually food and my blood is actually drink" what words should he have used instead? If it was really a symbol why didn't he tell those that left "guys, chill out, it's a symbol" as he had in the past whenever his parables were misunderstood?

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OK cool, then I have been eating his literal flesh and drinking his blood this whole time. But I have also been engaging in communion exactly how he and apostles have commanded me too, which is the even more important part. DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.

Making sure you are of sound mind and in a good place spiritually to focus on the process is very important. It is not something to be done flippantly or out of habit or as a reflex. It is the most serious part of worship. So let me correct what I said above...there have been too many times where I just went through the routines and did NOT take communion as serious as I should have. I have to really put effort into making sure I am in a good and reverent place each time.

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1 Corinthians 11
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

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You need validly ordained priest to actually transform the bread and wine to his body and blood, Who is doing so through the ministry and priesthood of Jesus Christ.

The rest that is in Bold is beautiful and truly wish more Catholics who are given the true Body and Blood of Christ had your reverence for what it is.

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Heresy. Hebrews says the old system of needing priests is over. We are all priests.

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Clearly the 2000 year history of the Christian Priesthood is heresy. We just needed some prots to read the Bible and set us straight.

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This is why the Bible warned against placing men between the common man and God. You think the popes are always gonna be good?

This guy is just straight up evil. A devout leftist.

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This is why I believe humanity should get back to taking psychedelics as their true communion instead of the fake bread and wine of the eucharistic. The original was cannabis and mushrooms.

Before the Roman's perverted the ability to speak with the mysteries by placing a man inbetween.

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Faustus said:

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Indulge me.

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The Catholic church came up with a crazy convenient way to extort money from people...it was a way to reduce the amount of punishment one had to undergo for sins. Rich people could buy their way out of sins. The Catholic church's history is basically varying degrees of perversion and heresy. Again, much respect to the original early church. Which isn't anything like the Catholic church of today. You see that in scripture.

Anyways, indulgences...completely unbiblical, like so much else that men in robes have made up over the centuries.

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I learned something new.
Thanks.

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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What is the eucharist and where is it in the bible may be the most Protestant thing I've ever heard.

The last supper? The bread of life discourse in John 6? the passover of the old Testament?

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All things Protestants acknowledge and celebrate and even re-enact. I guess I am wondering how it is exclusive to catholicism?

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Do you believe it's the flesh and blood of christ? Or is the teaching hard and who can accept it?

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Symbolically? Absolutely, what Christian doesn't believe that?

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Not symbolically, obviously. That's a Protestant invention

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Huh? You believe you are LITERALLY eating his body and drinking his blood? No way.

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Why else would it be so important? You think eating bread and drinking juice is the most important part of being a Christian?

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No, eating things is not at all important to Christians. It's the mental and spiritual act of reflection and remembrance and focus on Jesus that is important. I am not a trained monkey, I am an advanced spiritual being capable of real worship.

Why didn't Jesus give his men his literal body and blood to drink of rather than bread and fruit of the vine? Because the focus is on the ritual and it's significance...not on what substances we are ingesting. It is crazy what yall are taught in Catholic school and Mass...and so distant from what the original intent was on many things.

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It's really not though, it has been understood to be the body and blood of Christ until recent. The protestant reformers believed it was his body and blood until very recent; and it was an innovation to distance themselves from the Church.

The passover lamb had to be eaten if the curse of God were to pass over that house; just as the flesh and blood of the paschal lamb has to be eaten for eternal life.

Read the words of John 6, if Jesus had wanted to tell you "no, really my flesh is actually food and my blood is actually drink" what words should he have used instead? If it was really a symbol why didn't he tell those that left "guys, chill out, it's a symbol" as he had in the past whenever his parables were misunderstood?

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OK cool, then I have been eating his literal flesh and drinking his blood this whole time. But I have also been engaging in communion exactly how he and apostles have commanded me too, which is the even more important part. DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.

Making sure you are of sound mind and in a good place spiritually to focus on the process is very important. It is not something to be done flippantly or out of habit or as a reflex. It is the most serious part of worship.

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1 Corinthians 11
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

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Your church does not have apostolic succession, so you have been treating bread and wine like the body and blood of christ, which is pretty heinous. You can't go from "it's just a symbol and it's bread and wine" to "okay so I've been eating the body and blood of the risen lord" on a dime.

How do you receive the bread? How do you receive the wine? What happens with the leftovers, that will tell you what your church really thinks about the bread and wine, it's likely thrown away and put back in the fridge.

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Do we follow the man made made up rules of various popes and clergy councils throughout the centuries? The same ones who came up with heretical things like "indulgences"? No.

We follow the Bible...not how it is dictated by men who are no better than you or I in the eyes of God. I don't know how to be more clear. We do not follow your manmade non-divine rules.

The substance I am ingesting is irrelevant. As irrelevant as where your church bought yours or how they dispose of it.

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What should St.Justin the Martyr have followed in the late 2nd century when he was celebrating the mass, and there was no bible?

This is from the year 180ish AD

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And this food is called among us Eucharistia [the Eucharist], of which no one is allowed to partake but the man who believes that the things which we teach are true, and who has been washed with the washing that is for the remission of sins, and unto regeneration, and who is so living as Christ has enjoined.

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For not as common bread and common drink do we receive these; but in like manner as Jesus Christ our Saviour, having been made flesh by the Word of God, had both flesh and blood for our salvation, so likewise have we been taught that the food which is blessed by the prayer of His word, and from which our blood and flesh by transmutation are nourished, is the flesh and blood of that Jesus who was made flesh." (First Apology, 66)"

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That is exactly how we take communion, and I have zero issues with what he said. Unless he is saying that he magically turned it into literal flesh and blood, which it simply is not...and that is not the importance of it and was never intended to be. Very clearly.

"This is my flesh" doesn't mean the bread he gave his followers was literally his flesh. He could have given them his flesh EASILY if he wanted to...if cannibalism was the focus and not the ritual of worship and remembrance.

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This is from the mid 2nd century; and the guys said it is the "flesh and blood of Jesus who was made flesh". How can you say it's very clearly when we have 1600 years of christendom believing it's the body and the blood of Christ? Many people left because they thought it WAS cannibalism. He let them go. The earliest believers actually discussed whether or not they were lopping off body parts of Christ when they ate the Eucharist, for they understood so well that it WAS the body and blood of Christ.

They pondered whether he had to be sacrificed every mass, or whether his one sacrifice was good for all and echoed throughout eternity.

These are all questions the Church though of and ruled on so that we would have the framework of belief that we have today.

I ask again, how is someone supposed to say it's his body and blood other than "is the flesh and blood of that of Jesus who was made flesh"?

Again, these people would have been very familiar with the passover lamb, that had to be EATEN, not symbolically, but literally eaten in order to efficacious.

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They were wrong, it's not cannibalism, very clearly, because a sinner priest with a funny hat and robe cannot miraculously turn bread into the flesh of Jesus Christ.

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Why does all of the early church disagree with you? What does that say about your belief structure? We have Irenaeus, Tertullian, Ignatius on this side, and SB 43 Street OG on this side. Which would have the more orthodox view?

you are getting very long on sarcasm, and very short on fact

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I do not know that they do. Christ and his followers at the table were the original church to me...and i think his disciples knew that he wasn't giving them chunks of his flesh and blood. That is was figurative but every bit as significant. A way for them, and those they minister to, to carry out the act of communion for years and even centuries and millennia to come. There are a lot of warped and superstitious beliefs of early churches if you want to go there.

The fact that you think your priest, who is definitely not free from blemish, and may have even committed very dark and twisted sins, can miraculously change the bread and wine they purchase as monthly overhead into the actual flesh of Jesus, just speaks to how warped/astray the Catholic machine has gotten over the years.

Let me ask you this...if your priest diddles himself to other men or has h ad sexual relations with boys, can he still perform magic tricks and turn grocery bought goods into flesh and blood...or does he condemn the whole congregation, unbeknownst to them? I am sure there is some manmade loophole built in for this that cams about in 600AD or something? There's always a loophole...indulgences etc.

Have you heard of indulgences?

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So the original church ended after the lord's supper, and wandered in the darkness for the next 1700 years (despite the 7 ecunmenical councils, and the canonization of the bible, and the crusades, etc etc).

Priests are human, Christ built his church on a humble fisherman who constantly stuck his foot in his mouth and denied him 3 times at the moment Christ needed him the most.

The rest of your argument just shows how badly you need to insult the priesthood. You have lost the ability to argue and are instead just venting your frustration at how poorly you understand your faith on some pederast boogie man.

and yes, obviously i've heard of indulgences, but you obviously don't know what they are. Indulgences are not a sin, again. Selling them is a sin, with it's own name; simony.

jrico2727 said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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What is the eucharist and where is it in the bible may be the most Protestant thing I've ever heard.

The last supper? The bread of life discourse in John 6? the passover of the old Testament?

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All things Protestants acknowledge and celebrate and even re-enact. I guess I am wondering how it is exclusive to catholicism?

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Do you believe it's the flesh and blood of christ? Or is the teaching hard and who can accept it?

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Symbolically? Absolutely, what Christian doesn't believe that?

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Not symbolically, obviously. That's a Protestant invention

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Huh? You believe you are LITERALLY eating his body and drinking his blood? No way.

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Why else would it be so important? You think eating bread and drinking juice is the most important part of being a Christian?

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No, eating things is not at all important to Christians. It's the mental and spiritual act of reflection and remembrance and focus on Jesus that is important. I am not a trained monkey, I am an advanced spiritual being capable of real worship.

Why didn't Jesus give his men his literal body and blood to drink of rather than bread and fruit of the vine? Because the focus is on the ritual and it's significance...not on what substances we are ingesting. It is crazy what yall are taught in Catholic school and Mass...and so distant from what the original intent was on many things.

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It's really not though, it has been understood to be the body and blood of Christ until recent. The protestant reformers believed it was his body and blood until very recent; and it was an innovation to distance themselves from the Church.

The passover lamb had to be eaten if the curse of God were to pass over that house; just as the flesh and blood of the paschal lamb has to be eaten for eternal life.

Read the words of John 6, if Jesus had wanted to tell you "no, really my flesh is actually food and my blood is actually drink" what words should he have used instead? If it was really a symbol why didn't he tell those that left "guys, chill out, it's a symbol" as he had in the past whenever his parables were misunderstood?

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OK cool, then I have been eating his literal flesh and drinking his blood this whole time. But I have also been engaging in communion exactly how he and apostles have commanded me too, which is the even more important part. DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.

Making sure you are of sound mind and in a good place spiritually to focus on the process is very important. It is not something to be done flippantly or out of habit or as a reflex. It is the most serious part of worship. So let me correct what I said above...there have been too many times where I just went through the routines and did NOT take communion as serious as I should have. I have to really put effort into making sure I am in a good and reverent place each time.

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1 Corinthians 11
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

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You need validly ordained priest to actually transform the bread and wine to his body and blood, Who is doing so through the ministry and priesthood of Jesus Christ.

The rest that is in Bold is beautiful and truly wish more Catholics who are given the true Body and Blood of Christ had your reverence for what it is.

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Heresy. Hebrews says the old system of needing priests is over. We are all priests.

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Clearly the 2000 year history of the Christian Priesthood is heresy. We just needed some prots to read the Bible and set us straight.

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During the Jewish dispensation they resorted to idol worship in the temple, and lost the bible. When they found it they wept because they realized the things they were doing directly contradicted the holy scriptures.

Catholics have been doing this themselves for thousands of years. You don't need a protestant to tell you much of what you practice is nowhere in the bible, and often contrary to the scriptures.

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Faustus said:

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Indulge me.

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The Catholic church came up with a crazy convenient way to extort money from people...it was a way to reduce the amount of punishment one had to undergo for sins. Rich people could buy their way out of sins. The Catholic church's history is basically varying degrees of perversion and heresy. Again, much respect to the original early church. Which isn't anything like the Catholic church of today. You see that in scripture.

Anyways, indulgences...completely unbiblical, like so much else that men in robes have made up over the centuries.

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That's not an indulgence, that's the selling of an indulgence, which is a sin.

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jrico2727 said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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What is the eucharist and where is it in the bible may be the most Protestant thing I've ever heard.

The last supper? The bread of life discourse in John 6? the passover of the old Testament?

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All things Protestants acknowledge and celebrate and even re-enact. I guess I am wondering how it is exclusive to catholicism?

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Do you believe it's the flesh and blood of christ? Or is the teaching hard and who can accept it?

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Symbolically? Absolutely, what Christian doesn't believe that?

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Not symbolically, obviously. That's a Protestant invention

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Huh? You believe you are LITERALLY eating his body and drinking his blood? No way.

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Why else would it be so important? You think eating bread and drinking juice is the most important part of being a Christian?

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No, eating things is not at all important to Christians. It's the mental and spiritual act of reflection and remembrance and focus on Jesus that is important. I am not a trained monkey, I am an advanced spiritual being capable of real worship.

Why didn't Jesus give his men his literal body and blood to drink of rather than bread and fruit of the vine? Because the focus is on the ritual and it's significance...not on what substances we are ingesting. It is crazy what yall are taught in Catholic school and Mass...and so distant from what the original intent was on many things.

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It's really not though, it has been understood to be the body and blood of Christ until recent. The protestant reformers believed it was his body and blood until very recent; and it was an innovation to distance themselves from the Church.

The passover lamb had to be eaten if the curse of God were to pass over that house; just as the flesh and blood of the paschal lamb has to be eaten for eternal life.

Read the words of John 6, if Jesus had wanted to tell you "no, really my flesh is actually food and my blood is actually drink" what words should he have used instead? If it was really a symbol why didn't he tell those that left "guys, chill out, it's a symbol" as he had in the past whenever his parables were misunderstood?

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OK cool, then I have been eating his literal flesh and drinking his blood this whole time. But I have also been engaging in communion exactly how he and apostles have commanded me too, which is the even more important part. DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.

Making sure you are of sound mind and in a good place spiritually to focus on the process is very important. It is not something to be done flippantly or out of habit or as a reflex. It is the most serious part of worship. So let me correct what I said above...there have been too many times where I just went through the routines and did NOT take communion as serious as I should have. I have to really put effort into making sure I am in a good and reverent place each time.

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1 Corinthians 11
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

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You need validly ordained priest to actually transform the bread and wine to his body and blood, Who is doing so through the ministry and priesthood of Jesus Christ.

The rest that is in Bold is beautiful and truly wish more Catholics who are given the true Body and Blood of Christ had your reverence for what it is.

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Heresy. Hebrews says the old system of needing priests is over. We are all priests.

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Clearly the 2000 year history of the Christian Priesthood is heresy. We just needed some prots to read the Bible and set us straight.

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During the Jewish dispensation they resorted to idol worship in the temple, and lost the bible. When they found it they wept because they realized the things they were doing directly contradicted the holy scriptures.

Catholics have been doing this themselves for thousands of years. You don't need a protestant to tell you much of what you practice is nowhere in the bible, and often contrary to the scriptures.

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What we practice predates the Bible.

Joe Boudain said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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What is the eucharist and where is it in the bible may be the most Protestant thing I've ever heard.

The last supper? The bread of life discourse in John 6? the passover of the old Testament?

---

All things Protestants acknowledge and celebrate and even re-enact. I guess I am wondering how it is exclusive to catholicism?

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Do you believe it's the flesh and blood of christ? Or is the teaching hard and who can accept it?

---

Symbolically? Absolutely, what Christian doesn't believe that?

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Not symbolically, obviously. That's a Protestant invention

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Huh? You believe you are LITERALLY eating his body and drinking his blood? No way.

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Why else would it be so important? You think eating bread and drinking juice is the most important part of being a Christian?

---

No, eating things is not at all important to Christians. It's the mental and spiritual act of reflection and remembrance and focus on Jesus that is important. I am not a trained monkey, I am an advanced spiritual being capable of real worship.

Why didn't Jesus give his men his literal body and blood to drink of rather than bread and fruit of the vine? Because the focus is on the ritual and it's significance...not on what substances we are ingesting. It is crazy what yall are taught in Catholic school and Mass...and so distant from what the original intent was on many things.

---

It's really not though, it has been understood to be the body and blood of Christ until recent. The protestant reformers believed it was his body and blood until very recent; and it was an innovation to distance themselves from the Church.

The passover lamb had to be eaten if the curse of God were to pass over that house; just as the flesh and blood of the paschal lamb has to be eaten for eternal life.

Read the words of John 6, if Jesus had wanted to tell you "no, really my flesh is actually food and my blood is actually drink" what words should he have used instead? If it was really a symbol why didn't he tell those that left "guys, chill out, it's a symbol" as he had in the past whenever his parables were misunderstood?

---

OK cool, then I have been eating his literal flesh and drinking his blood this whole time. But I have also been engaging in communion exactly how he and apostles have commanded me too, which is the even more important part. DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.

Making sure you are of sound mind and in a good place spiritually to focus on the process is very important. It is not something to be done flippantly or out of habit or as a reflex. It is the most serious part of worship. So let me correct what I said above...there have been too many times where I just went through the routines and did NOT take communion as serious as I should have. I have to really put effort into making sure I am in a good and reverent place each time.

Quote:

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1 Corinthians 11
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

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You need validly ordained priest to actually transform the bread and wine to his body and blood, Who is doing so through the ministry and priesthood of Jesus Christ.

The rest that is in Bold is beautiful and truly wish more Catholics who are given the true Body and Blood of Christ had your reverence for what it is.

---

Heresy. Hebrews says the old system of needing priests is over. We are all priests.

---

Clearly the 2000 year history of the Christian Priesthood is heresy. We just needed some prots to read the Bible and set us straight.

---

During the Jewish dispensation they resorted to idol worship in the temple, and lost the bible. When they found it they wept because they realized the things they were doing directly contradicted the holy scriptures.

Catholics have been doing this themselves for thousands of years. You don't need a protestant to tell you much of what you practice is nowhere in the bible, and often contrary to the scriptures.

---

What we practice predates the Bible.

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Yep, it's called the Torah

baron_von_awesome said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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What is the eucharist and where is it in the bible may be the most Protestant thing I've ever heard.

The last supper? The bread of life discourse in John 6? the passover of the old Testament?

---

All things Protestants acknowledge and celebrate and even re-enact. I guess I am wondering how it is exclusive to catholicism?

---

Do you believe it's the flesh and blood of christ? Or is the teaching hard and who can accept it?

---

Symbolically? Absolutely, what Christian doesn't believe that?

---

Not symbolically, obviously. That's a Protestant invention

---

Huh? You believe you are LITERALLY eating his body and drinking his blood? No way.

---

Why else would it be so important? You think eating bread and drinking juice is the most important part of being a Christian?

---

No, eating things is not at all important to Christians. It's the mental and spiritual act of reflection and remembrance and focus on Jesus that is important. I am not a trained monkey, I am an advanced spiritual being capable of real worship.

Why didn't Jesus give his men his literal body and blood to drink of rather than bread and fruit of the vine? Because the focus is on the ritual and it's significance...not on what substances we are ingesting. It is crazy what yall are taught in Catholic school and Mass...and so distant from what the original intent was on many things.

---

It's really not though, it has been understood to be the body and blood of Christ until recent. The protestant reformers believed it was his body and blood until very recent; and it was an innovation to distance themselves from the Church.

The passover lamb had to be eaten if the curse of God were to pass over that house; just as the flesh and blood of the paschal lamb has to be eaten for eternal life.

Read the words of John 6, if Jesus had wanted to tell you "no, really my flesh is actually food and my blood is actually drink" what words should he have used instead? If it was really a symbol why didn't he tell those that left "guys, chill out, it's a symbol" as he had in the past whenever his parables were misunderstood?

---

OK cool, then I have been eating his literal flesh and drinking his blood this whole time. But I have also been engaging in communion exactly how he and apostles have commanded me too, which is the even more important part. DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.

Making sure you are of sound mind and in a good place spiritually to focus on the process is very important. It is not something to be done flippantly or out of habit or as a reflex. It is the most serious part of worship. So let me correct what I said above...there have been too many times where I just went through the routines and did NOT take communion as serious as I should have. I have to really put effort into making sure I am in a good and reverent place each time.

Quote:

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1 Corinthians 11
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

---

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You need validly ordained priest to actually transform the bread and wine to his body and blood, Who is doing so through the ministry and priesthood of Jesus Christ.

The rest that is in Bold is beautiful and truly wish more Catholics who are given the true Body and Blood of Christ had your reverence for what it is.

---

Heresy. Hebrews says the old system of needing priests is over. We are all priests.

---

Clearly the 2000 year history of the Christian Priesthood is heresy. We just needed some prots to read the Bible and set us straight.

---

During the Jewish dispensation they resorted to idol worship in the temple, and lost the bible. When they found it they wept because they realized the things they were doing directly contradicted the holy scriptures.

Catholics have been doing this themselves for thousands of years. You don't need a protestant to tell you much of what you practice is nowhere in the bible, and often contrary to the scriptures.

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What we practice predates the Bible.

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Yep, it's called the Torah

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If you think Catholics don't eat shellfish you obviously haven't been around one during Friday's in lent.

Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Faustus said:

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Indulge me.

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The Catholic church came up with a crazy convenient way to extort money from people...it was a way to reduce the amount of punishment one had to undergo for sins. Rich people could buy their way out of sins. The Catholic church's history is basically varying degrees of perversion and heresy. Again, much respect to the original early church. Which isn't anything like the Catholic church of today. You see that in scripture.

Anyways, indulgences...completely unbiblical, like so much else that men in robes have made up over the centuries.

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That's not an indulgence, that's the selling of an indulgence, which is a sin.

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Yeah, I just googled it.
I've also learned simony. This thread rocks.

Joe Boudain said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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What is the eucharist and where is it in the bible may be the most Protestant thing I've ever heard.

The last supper? The bread of life discourse in John 6? the passover of the old Testament?

---

All things Protestants acknowledge and celebrate and even re-enact. I guess I am wondering how it is exclusive to catholicism?

---

Do you believe it's the flesh and blood of christ? Or is the teaching hard and who can accept it?

---

Symbolically? Absolutely, what Christian doesn't believe that?

---

Not symbolically, obviously. That's a Protestant invention

---

Huh? You believe you are LITERALLY eating his body and drinking his blood? No way.

---

Why else would it be so important? You think eating bread and drinking juice is the most important part of being a Christian?

---

No, eating things is not at all important to Christians. It's the mental and spiritual act of reflection and remembrance and focus on Jesus that is important. I am not a trained monkey, I am an advanced spiritual being capable of real worship.

Why didn't Jesus give his men his literal body and blood to drink of rather than bread and fruit of the vine? Because the focus is on the ritual and it's significance...not on what substances we are ingesting. It is crazy what yall are taught in Catholic school and Mass...and so distant from what the original intent was on many things.

---

It's really not though, it has been understood to be the body and blood of Christ until recent. The protestant reformers believed it was his body and blood until very recent; and it was an innovation to distance themselves from the Church.

The passover lamb had to be eaten if the curse of God were to pass over that house; just as the flesh and blood of the paschal lamb has to be eaten for eternal life.

Read the words of John 6, if Jesus had wanted to tell you "no, really my flesh is actually food and my blood is actually drink" what words should he have used instead? If it was really a symbol why didn't he tell those that left "guys, chill out, it's a symbol" as he had in the past whenever his parables were misunderstood?

---

OK cool, then I have been eating his literal flesh and drinking his blood this whole time. But I have also been engaging in communion exactly how he and apostles have commanded me too, which is the even more important part. DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.

Making sure you are of sound mind and in a good place spiritually to focus on the process is very important. It is not something to be done flippantly or out of habit or as a reflex. It is the most serious part of worship. So let me correct what I said above...there have been too many times where I just went through the routines and did NOT take communion as serious as I should have. I have to really put effort into making sure I am in a good and reverent place each time.

Quote:

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1 Corinthians 11
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

---

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You need validly ordained priest to actually transform the bread and wine to his body and blood, Who is doing so through the ministry and priesthood of Jesus Christ.

The rest that is in Bold is beautiful and truly wish more Catholics who are given the true Body and Blood of Christ had your reverence for what it is.

---

Heresy. Hebrews says the old system of needing priests is over. We are all priests.

---

Clearly the 2000 year history of the Christian Priesthood is heresy. We just needed some prots to read the Bible and set us straight.

---

During the Jewish dispensation they resorted to idol worship in the temple, and lost the bible. When they found it they wept because they realized the things they were doing directly contradicted the holy scriptures.

Catholics have been doing this themselves for thousands of years. You don't need a protestant to tell you much of what you practice is nowhere in the bible, and often contrary to the scriptures.

---

What we practice predates the Bible.

---

Really calling your priest father? Establishing new positions in the church that are never mentioned in the bible. If the catholic tradition came first then it would have been put in the bible while they were still writing it...

Men have made new traditions after the bible was written. To deny that is dishonest at worst, and foolish at best.

Revelation 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Be careful. God doesn't take kindly to adding to his word.

TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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What is the eucharist and where is it in the bible may be the most Protestant thing I've ever heard.

The last supper? The bread of life discourse in John 6? the passover of the old Testament?

---

All things Protestants acknowledge and celebrate and even re-enact. I guess I am wondering how it is exclusive to catholicism?

---

Do you believe it's the flesh and blood of christ? Or is the teaching hard and who can accept it?

---

Symbolically? Absolutely, what Christian doesn't believe that?

---

Not symbolically, obviously. That's a Protestant invention

---

Huh? You believe you are LITERALLY eating his body and drinking his blood? No way.

---

Why else would it be so important? You think eating bread and drinking juice is the most important part of being a Christian?

---

No, eating things is not at all important to Christians. It's the mental and spiritual act of reflection and remembrance and focus on Jesus that is important. I am not a trained monkey, I am an advanced spiritual being capable of real worship.

Why didn't Jesus give his men his literal body and blood to drink of rather than bread and fruit of the vine? Because the focus is on the ritual and it's significance...not on what substances we are ingesting. It is crazy what yall are taught in Catholic school and Mass...and so distant from what the original intent was on many things.

---

It's really not though, it has been understood to be the body and blood of Christ until recent. The protestant reformers believed it was his body and blood until very recent; and it was an innovation to distance themselves from the Church.

The passover lamb had to be eaten if the curse of God were to pass over that house; just as the flesh and blood of the paschal lamb has to be eaten for eternal life.

Read the words of John 6, if Jesus had wanted to tell you "no, really my flesh is actually food and my blood is actually drink" what words should he have used instead? If it was really a symbol why didn't he tell those that left "guys, chill out, it's a symbol" as he had in the past whenever his parables were misunderstood?

---

OK cool, then I have been eating his literal flesh and drinking his blood this whole time. But I have also been engaging in communion exactly how he and apostles have commanded me too, which is the even more important part. DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.

Making sure you are of sound mind and in a good place spiritually to focus on the process is very important. It is not something to be done flippantly or out of habit or as a reflex. It is the most serious part of worship. So let me correct what I said above...there have been too many times where I just went through the routines and did NOT take communion as serious as I should have. I have to really put effort into making sure I am in a good and reverent place each time.

Quote:

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1 Corinthians 11
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

---

---

You need validly ordained priest to actually transform the bread and wine to his body and blood, Who is doing so through the ministry and priesthood of Jesus Christ.

The rest that is in Bold is beautiful and truly wish more Catholics who are given the true Body and Blood of Christ had your reverence for what it is.

---

Heresy. Hebrews says the old system of needing priests is over. We are all priests.

---

Clearly the 2000 year history of the Christian Priesthood is heresy. We just needed some prots to read the Bible and set us straight.

---

During the Jewish dispensation they resorted to idol worship in the temple, and lost the bible. When they found it they wept because they realized the things they were doing directly contradicted the holy scriptures.

Catholics have been doing this themselves for thousands of years. You don't need a protestant to tell you much of what you practice is nowhere in the bible, and often contrary to the scriptures.

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This. It is almost impossible to have a debate because our understanding of scripture is so different. When i hear some of the things they believe, I cannot wrap my mind around it. I have for decades studied scripture and feel like I have an intimate understanding of Jesus, Peter, Paul, Luke etc. and their intents. What Catholicism has morphed into flies in the face of not just what they taught, but how they lived and were.

They didn't care about getting hung up on hyper technical nuances. They were saving pagans. And risking their lives and freedom for God's heavily Kingdom. They didn't even lay down that many rules to be honest...it was very simple.

The early church was amazing...and vital in the spread of the good news and Christianity. But for Catholics to pretend that it was the same church is beyond laughable. The early church was more in line with a small town bible church than the catholic church and it's not even close.

I would estimate that the modern catholic church rests 80% on unbiblical stilts. Even their disproportionate focus on Mary is borderline sacrilegious. Scripture would have told us to basically deify her if we were supposed to.

Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Faustus said:

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Indulge me.

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The Catholic church came up with a crazy convenient way to extort money from people...it was a way to reduce the amount of punishment one had to undergo for sins. Rich people could buy their way out of sins. The Catholic church's history is basically varying degrees of perversion and heresy. Again, much respect to the original early church. Which isn't anything like the Catholic church of today. You see that in scripture.

Anyways, indulgences...completely unbiblical, like so much else that men in robes have made up over the centuries.

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That's not an indulgence, that's the selling of an indulgence, which is a sin.

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Both unbiblical.

TxAgPreacher said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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What is the eucharist and where is it in the bible may be the most Protestant thing I've ever heard.

The last supper? The bread of life discourse in John 6? the passover of the old Testament?

---

All things Protestants acknowledge and celebrate and even re-enact. I guess I am wondering how it is exclusive to catholicism?

---

Do you believe it's the flesh and blood of christ? Or is the teaching hard and who can accept it?

---

Symbolically? Absolutely, what Christian doesn't believe that?

---

Not symbolically, obviously. That's a Protestant invention

---

Huh? You believe you are LITERALLY eating his body and drinking his blood? No way.

---

Why else would it be so important? You think eating bread and drinking juice is the most important part of being a Christian?

---

No, eating things is not at all important to Christians. It's the mental and spiritual act of reflection and remembrance and focus on Jesus that is important. I am not a trained monkey, I am an advanced spiritual being capable of real worship.

Why didn't Jesus give his men his literal body and blood to drink of rather than bread and fruit of the vine? Because the focus is on the ritual and it's significance...not on what substances we are ingesting. It is crazy what yall are taught in Catholic school and Mass...and so distant from what the original intent was on many things.

---

It's really not though, it has been understood to be the body and blood of Christ until recent. The protestant reformers believed it was his body and blood until very recent; and it was an innovation to distance themselves from the Church.

The passover lamb had to be eaten if the curse of God were to pass over that house; just as the flesh and blood of the paschal lamb has to be eaten for eternal life.

Read the words of John 6, if Jesus had wanted to tell you "no, really my flesh is actually food and my blood is actually drink" what words should he have used instead? If it was really a symbol why didn't he tell those that left "guys, chill out, it's a symbol" as he had in the past whenever his parables were misunderstood?

---

OK cool, then I have been eating his literal flesh and drinking his blood this whole time. But I have also been engaging in communion exactly how he and apostles have commanded me too, which is the even more important part. DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.

Making sure you are of sound mind and in a good place spiritually to focus on the process is very important. It is not something to be done flippantly or out of habit or as a reflex. It is the most serious part of worship. So let me correct what I said above...there have been too many times where I just went through the routines and did NOT take communion as serious as I should have. I have to really put effort into making sure I am in a good and reverent place each time.

Quote:

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1 Corinthians 11
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

---

---

You need validly ordained priest to actually transform the bread and wine to his body and blood, Who is doing so through the ministry and priesthood of Jesus Christ.

The rest that is in Bold is beautiful and truly wish more Catholics who are given the true Body and Blood of Christ had your reverence for what it is.

---

Heresy. Hebrews says the old system of needing priests is over. We are all priests.

---

Clearly the 2000 year history of the Christian Priesthood is heresy. We just needed some prots to read the Bible and set us straight.

---

During the Jewish dispensation they resorted to idol worship in the temple, and lost the bible. When they found it they wept because they realized the things they were doing directly contradicted the holy scriptures.

Catholics have been doing this themselves for thousands of years. You don't need a protestant to tell you much of what you practice is nowhere in the bible, and often contrary to the scriptures.

---

What we practice predates the Bible.

---

Really calling your priest father? Establishing new positions in the church that are never mentioned in the bible. If the catholic tradition came first then it would have been put in the bible while they were still writing it...

Men have made new traditions after the bible was written. To deny that is dishonest at worst, and foolish at best.

Revelation 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Be careful. God doesn't take kindly to adding to his word.

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Yes, much as protestants call Abraham "Father Abraham", "call no man father" doesn't mean not to call anyone father, just as Jesus saying " I am the vine" doesn't mean he's transformed into a plant. He's connecting the law of the prophets to the new law, heck even the King James Version of the bible has the commandment listed as "Honor your father and mother". What he's saying is don't respect anyone more than he; call no one father "before" or "above" me. The word Pope comes from the latin Papa; I'll lead you to figure out what that means.

We've had traditions before the Bible was written, the Bible is actually one of our traditions. Again, I'll pose the same question to you; where was the bible when St. Justin Martyr was talking about celebrating mass in 155 AD?

TxAgPreacher said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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What is the eucharist and where is it in the bible may be the most Protestant thing I've ever heard.

The last supper? The bread of life discourse in John 6? the passover of the old Testament?

---

All things Protestants acknowledge and celebrate and even re-enact. I guess I am wondering how it is exclusive to catholicism?

---

Do you believe it's the flesh and blood of christ? Or is the teaching hard and who can accept it?

---

Symbolically? Absolutely, what Christian doesn't believe that?

---

Not symbolically, obviously. That's a Protestant invention

---

Huh? You believe you are LITERALLY eating his body and drinking his blood? No way.

---

Why else would it be so important? You think eating bread and drinking juice is the most important part of being a Christian?

---

No, eating things is not at all important to Christians. It's the mental and spiritual act of reflection and remembrance and focus on Jesus that is important. I am not a trained monkey, I am an advanced spiritual being capable of real worship.

Why didn't Jesus give his men his literal body and blood to drink of rather than bread and fruit of the vine? Because the focus is on the ritual and it's significance...not on what substances we are ingesting. It is crazy what yall are taught in Catholic school and Mass...and so distant from what the original intent was on many things.

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It's really not though, it has been understood to be the body and blood of Christ until recent. The protestant reformers believed it was his body and blood until very recent; and it was an innovation to distance themselves from the Church.

The passover lamb had to be eaten if the curse of God were to pass over that house; just as the flesh and blood of the paschal lamb has to be eaten for eternal life.

Read the words of John 6, if Jesus had wanted to tell you "no, really my flesh is actually food and my blood is actually drink" what words should he have used instead? If it was really a symbol why didn't he tell those that left "guys, chill out, it's a symbol" as he had in the past whenever his parables were misunderstood?

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OK cool, then I have been eating his literal flesh and drinking his blood this whole time. But I have also been engaging in communion exactly how he and apostles have commanded me too, which is the even more important part. DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.

Making sure you are of sound mind and in a good place spiritually to focus on the process is very important. It is not something to be done flippantly or out of habit or as a reflex. It is the most serious part of worship. So let me correct what I said above...there have been too many times where I just went through the routines and did NOT take communion as serious as I should have. I have to really put effort into making sure I am in a good and reverent place each time.

Quote:

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1 Corinthians 11
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

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You need validly ordained priest to actually transform the bread and wine to his body and blood, Who is doing so through the ministry and priesthood of Jesus Christ.

The rest that is in Bold is beautiful and truly wish more Catholics who are given the true Body and Blood of Christ had your reverence for what it is.

---

Heresy. Hebrews says the old system of needing priests is over. We are all priests.

---

Clearly the 2000 year history of the Christian Priesthood is heresy. We just needed some prots to read the Bible and set us straight.

---

During the Jewish dispensation they resorted to idol worship in the temple, and lost the bible. When they found it they wept because they realized the things they were doing directly contradicted the holy scriptures.

Catholics have been doing this themselves for thousands of years. You don't need a protestant to tell you much of what you practice is nowhere in the bible, and often contrary to the scriptures.

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What we practice predates the Bible.

---

Really calling your priest father? Establishing new positions in the church that are never mentioned in the bible. If the catholic tradition came first then it would have been put in the bible while they were still writing it...

Men have made new traditions after the bible was written. To deny that is dishonest at worst, and foolish at best.

Revelation 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Be careful. God doesn't take kindly to adding to his word.

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How would you think he would feel about people misusing his word?
Christ came and established a Church he didn't write a book. To say that Church failed, added to scripture, did things opposed to God, that a bunch of sinners in funny hats took it over is to say Christ Failed.

Truly if you were correct we would both be fools.

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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What is the eucharist and where is it in the bible may be the most Protestant thing I've ever heard.

The last supper? The bread of life discourse in John 6? the passover of the old Testament?

---

All things Protestants acknowledge and celebrate and even re-enact. I guess I am wondering how it is exclusive to catholicism?

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Do you believe it's the flesh and blood of christ? Or is the teaching hard and who can accept it?

---

Symbolically? Absolutely, what Christian doesn't believe that?

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Not symbolically, obviously. That's a Protestant invention

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Huh? You believe you are LITERALLY eating his body and drinking his blood? No way.

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Why else would it be so important? You think eating bread and drinking juice is the most important part of being a Christian?

---

No, eating things is not at all important to Christians. It's the mental and spiritual act of reflection and remembrance and focus on Jesus that is important. I am not a trained monkey, I am an advanced spiritual being capable of real worship.

Why didn't Jesus give his men his literal body and blood to drink of rather than bread and fruit of the vine? Because the focus is on the ritual and it's significance...not on what substances we are ingesting. It is crazy what yall are taught in Catholic school and Mass...and so distant from what the original intent was on many things.

---

It's really not though, it has been understood to be the body and blood of Christ until recent. The protestant reformers believed it was his body and blood until very recent; and it was an innovation to distance themselves from the Church.

The passover lamb had to be eaten if the curse of God were to pass over that house; just as the flesh and blood of the paschal lamb has to be eaten for eternal life.

Read the words of John 6, if Jesus had wanted to tell you "no, really my flesh is actually food and my blood is actually drink" what words should he have used instead? If it was really a symbol why didn't he tell those that left "guys, chill out, it's a symbol" as he had in the past whenever his parables were misunderstood?

---

OK cool, then I have been eating his literal flesh and drinking his blood this whole time. But I have also been engaging in communion exactly how he and apostles have commanded me too, which is the even more important part. DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.

Making sure you are of sound mind and in a good place spiritually to focus on the process is very important. It is not something to be done flippantly or out of habit or as a reflex. It is the most serious part of worship. So let me correct what I said above...there have been too many times where I just went through the routines and did NOT take communion as serious as I should have. I have to really put effort into making sure I am in a good and reverent place each time.

Quote:

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1 Corinthians 11
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

---

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You need validly ordained priest to actually transform the bread and wine to his body and blood, Who is doing so through the ministry and priesthood of Jesus Christ.

The rest that is in Bold is beautiful and truly wish more Catholics who are given the true Body and Blood of Christ had your reverence for what it is.

---

Heresy. Hebrews says the old system of needing priests is over. We are all priests.

---

Clearly the 2000 year history of the Christian Priesthood is heresy. We just needed some prots to read the Bible and set us straight.

---

During the Jewish dispensation they resorted to idol worship in the temple, and lost the bible. When they found it they wept because they realized the things they were doing directly contradicted the holy scriptures.

Catholics have been doing this themselves for thousands of years. You don't need a protestant to tell you much of what you practice is nowhere in the bible, and often contrary to the scriptures.

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This. It is almost impossible to have a debate because our understanding of scripture is so different. When i hear some of the things they believe, I cannot wrap my mind around it. I have for decades studied scripture and feel like I have an intimate understanding of Jesus, Peter, Paul, Luke etc. and their intents. What Catholicism has morphed into flies in the face of not just what they taught, but how they lived and were.

They didn't care about getting hung up on hyper technical nuances. They were saving pagans. And risking their lives and freedom for God's heavily Kingdom. They didn't even lay down that many rules to be honest...it was very simple.

The early church was amazing...and vital in the spread of the good news and Christianity. But for Catholics to pretend that it was the same church is beyond laughable. The early church was more in line with a small town bible church than the catholic church and it's not even close.

I would estimate that the modern catholic church rests 80% on unbiblical stilts. Even their disproportionate focus on Mary is borderline sacrilegious. Scripture would have told us to basically deify her if we were supposed to.

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That's because you think God gave us scripture which created the Church, when in reality God gave us the Church which gave us scripture. Your understanding of scripture is tainted by the fact that it came hundreds of years after the fact, and was understood in such a way as to purposefully distance itself from the Catholic Church, going so far as to remove books which had been canonized and consider adding words to scripture.

The church laid down a ton of rules, you can see them arguing about them in the book of ACTS, that's exactly what they did when they called the first 7 ecunemenical councils when they had to defend authentic teaching from creeping heresy. How can you have any knowledge of Church history and say the above?

Scripture tells us that the angel that struck other people deaf and dumb for daring to question them explained himself politely to the blessed virgin while telling her that she was full of grace.

Joe Boudain said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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What is the eucharist and where is it in the bible may be the most Protestant thing I've ever heard.

The last supper? The bread of life discourse in John 6? the passover of the old Testament?

---

All things Protestants acknowledge and celebrate and even re-enact. I guess I am wondering how it is exclusive to catholicism?

---

Do you believe it's the flesh and blood of christ? Or is the teaching hard and who can accept it?

---

Symbolically? Absolutely, what Christian doesn't believe that?

---

Not symbolically, obviously. That's a Protestant invention

---

Huh? You believe you are LITERALLY eating his body and drinking his blood? No way.

---

Why else would it be so important? You think eating bread and drinking juice is the most important part of being a Christian?

---

No, eating things is not at all important to Christians. It's the mental and spiritual act of reflection and remembrance and focus on Jesus that is important. I am not a trained monkey, I am an advanced spiritual being capable of real worship.

Why didn't Jesus give his men his literal body and blood to drink of rather than bread and fruit of the vine? Because the focus is on the ritual and it's significance...not on what substances we are ingesting. It is crazy what yall are taught in Catholic school and Mass...and so distant from what the original intent was on many things.

---

It's really not though, it has been understood to be the body and blood of Christ until recent. The protestant reformers believed it was his body and blood until very recent; and it was an innovation to distance themselves from the Church.

The passover lamb had to be eaten if the curse of God were to pass over that house; just as the flesh and blood of the paschal lamb has to be eaten for eternal life.

Read the words of John 6, if Jesus had wanted to tell you "no, really my flesh is actually food and my blood is actually drink" what words should he have used instead? If it was really a symbol why didn't he tell those that left "guys, chill out, it's a symbol" as he had in the past whenever his parables were misunderstood?

---

OK cool, then I have been eating his literal flesh and drinking his blood this whole time. But I have also been engaging in communion exactly how he and apostles have commanded me too, which is the even more important part. DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.

Making sure you are of sound mind and in a good place spiritually to focus on the process is very important. It is not something to be done flippantly or out of habit or as a reflex. It is the most serious part of worship. So let me correct what I said above...there have been too many times where I just went through the routines and did NOT take communion as serious as I should have. I have to really put effort into making sure I am in a good and reverent place each time.

Quote:

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1 Corinthians 11
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

---

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You need validly ordained priest to actually transform the bread and wine to his body and blood, Who is doing so through the ministry and priesthood of Jesus Christ.

The rest that is in Bold is beautiful and truly wish more Catholics who are given the true Body and Blood of Christ had your reverence for what it is.

---

Heresy. Hebrews says the old system of needing priests is over. We are all priests.

---

Clearly the 2000 year history of the Christian Priesthood is heresy. We just needed some prots to read the Bible and set us straight.

---

During the Jewish dispensation they resorted to idol worship in the temple, and lost the bible. When they found it they wept because they realized the things they were doing directly contradicted the holy scriptures.

Catholics have been doing this themselves for thousands of years. You don't need a protestant to tell you much of what you practice is nowhere in the bible, and often contrary to the scriptures.

---

What we practice predates the Bible.

---

Really calling your priest father? Establishing new positions in the church that are never mentioned in the bible. If the catholic tradition came first then it would have been put in the bible while they were still writing it...

Men have made new traditions after the bible was written. To deny that is dishonest at worst, and foolish at best.

Revelation 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Be careful. God doesn't take kindly to adding to his word.

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Yes, much as protestants call Abraham "Father Abraham", "call no man father" doesn't mean not to call anyone father, just as Jesus saying " I am the vine" doesn't mean he's transformed into a plant. He's connecting the law of the prophets to the new law, heck even the King James Version of the bible has the commandment listed as "Honor your father and mother". What he's saying is don't respect anyone more than he; call no one father "before" or "above" me. The word Pope comes from the latin Papa; I'll lead you to figure out what that means.

We've had traditions before the Bible was written, the Bible is actually one of our traditions. Again, I'll pose the same question to you; where was the bible when St. Justin Martyr was talking about celebrating mass in 155 AD?

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I don't call him that.

The bible is the perfect word of God.

There are traditions given for us to observe in scripture.

Anything outside of scriptures is not binding. It's a tradition of men.

Mark 7:3-8 (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands properly, holding to the tradition of the elders, 4 and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.) 5 And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, "Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?" 6 And he said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,
" 'This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
7 in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
8 You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men

Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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What is the eucharist and where is it in the bible may be the most Protestant thing I've ever heard.

The last supper? The bread of life discourse in John 6? the passover of the old Testament?

---

All things Protestants acknowledge and celebrate and even re-enact. I guess I am wondering how it is exclusive to catholicism?

---

Do you believe it's the flesh and blood of christ? Or is the teaching hard and who can accept it?

---

Symbolically? Absolutely, what Christian doesn't believe that?

---

Not symbolically, obviously. That's a Protestant invention

---

Huh? You believe you are LITERALLY eating his body and drinking his blood? No way.

---

Why else would it be so important? You think eating bread and drinking juice is the most important part of being a Christian?

---

No, eating things is not at all important to Christians. It's the mental and spiritual act of reflection and remembrance and focus on Jesus that is important. I am not a trained monkey, I am an advanced spiritual being capable of real worship.

Why didn't Jesus give his men his literal body and blood to drink of rather than bread and fruit of the vine? Because the focus is on the ritual and it's significance...not on what substances we are ingesting. It is crazy what yall are taught in Catholic school and Mass...and so distant from what the original intent was on many things.

---

It's really not though, it has been understood to be the body and blood of Christ until recent. The protestant reformers believed it was his body and blood until very recent; and it was an innovation to distance themselves from the Church.

The passover lamb had to be eaten if the curse of God were to pass over that house; just as the flesh and blood of the paschal lamb has to be eaten for eternal life.

Read the words of John 6, if Jesus had wanted to tell you "no, really my flesh is actually food and my blood is actually drink" what words should he have used instead? If it was really a symbol why didn't he tell those that left "guys, chill out, it's a symbol" as he had in the past whenever his parables were misunderstood?

---

OK cool, then I have been eating his literal flesh and drinking his blood this whole time. But I have also been engaging in communion exactly how he and apostles have commanded me too, which is the even more important part. DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.

Making sure you are of sound mind and in a good place spiritually to focus on the process is very important. It is not something to be done flippantly or out of habit or as a reflex. It is the most serious part of worship. So let me correct what I said above...there have been too many times where I just went through the routines and did NOT take communion as serious as I should have. I have to really put effort into making sure I am in a good and reverent place each time.

Quote:

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1 Corinthians 11
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

---

---

You need validly ordained priest to actually transform the bread and wine to his body and blood, Who is doing so through the ministry and priesthood of Jesus Christ.

The rest that is in Bold is beautiful and truly wish more Catholics who are given the true Body and Blood of Christ had your reverence for what it is.

---

Heresy. Hebrews says the old system of needing priests is over. We are all priests.

---

Clearly the 2000 year history of the Christian Priesthood is heresy. We just needed some prots to read the Bible and set us straight.

---

During the Jewish dispensation they resorted to idol worship in the temple, and lost the bible. When they found it they wept because they realized the things they were doing directly contradicted the holy scriptures.

Catholics have been doing this themselves for thousands of years. You don't need a protestant to tell you much of what you practice is nowhere in the bible, and often contrary to the scriptures.

---

This. It is almost impossible to have a debate because our understanding of scripture is so different. When i hear some of the things they believe, I cannot wrap my mind around it. I have for decades studied scripture and feel like I have an intimate understanding of Jesus, Peter, Paul, Luke etc. and their intents. What Catholicism has morphed into flies in the face of not just what they taught, but how they lived and were.

They didn't care about getting hung up on hyper technical nuances. They were saving pagans. And risking their lives and freedom for God's heavily Kingdom. They didn't even lay down that many rules to be honest...it was very simple.

The early church was amazing...and vital in the spread of the good news and Christianity. But for Catholics to pretend that it was the same church is beyond laughable. The early church was more in line with a small town bible church than the catholic church and it's not even close.

I would estimate that the modern catholic church rests 80% on unbiblical stilts. Even their disproportionate focus on Mary is borderline sacrilegious. Scripture would have told us to basically deify her if we were supposed to.

---

That's because you think God gave us scripture which created the Church, when in reality God gave us the Church which gave us scripture. Your understanding of scripture is tainted by the fact that it came hundreds of years after the fact, and was understood in such a way as to purposefully distance itself from the Catholic Church, going so far as to remove books which had been canonized and consider adding words to scripture.

The church laid down a ton of rules, you can see them arguing about them in the book of ACTS, that's exactly what they did when they called the first 7 ecunemenical councils when they had to defend authentic teaching from creeping heresy. How can you have any knowledge of Church history and say the above?

Scripture tells us that the angel that struck other people deaf and dumb for daring to question them explained himself politely to the blessed virgin while telling her that she was full of grace.

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You're exactly right you trust what man says, and can't be verified by scripture to the point that you will do whatever an imperfect man tells you.

We go back to the scriptures to see what God said he wanted with his own words.

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Joe Boudain said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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What is the eucharist and where is it in the bible may be the most Protestant thing I've ever heard.

The last supper? The bread of life discourse in John 6? the passover of the old Testament?

---

All things Protestants acknowledge and celebrate and even re-enact. I guess I am wondering how it is exclusive to catholicism?

---

Do you believe it's the flesh and blood of christ? Or is the teaching hard and who can accept it?

---

Symbolically? Absolutely, what Christian doesn't believe that?

---

Not symbolically, obviously. That's a Protestant invention

---

Huh? You believe you are LITERALLY eating his body and drinking his blood? No way.

---

Why else would it be so important? You think eating bread and drinking juice is the most important part of being a Christian?

---

No, eating things is not at all important to Christians. It's the mental and spiritual act of reflection and remembrance and focus on Jesus that is important. I am not a trained monkey, I am an advanced spiritual being capable of real worship.

Why didn't Jesus give his men his literal body and blood to drink of rather than bread and fruit of the vine? Because the focus is on the ritual and it's significance...not on what substances we are ingesting. It is crazy what yall are taught in Catholic school and Mass...and so distant from what the original intent was on many things.

---

It's really not though, it has been understood to be the body and blood of Christ until recent. The protestant reformers believed it was his body and blood until very recent; and it was an innovation to distance themselves from the Church.

The passover lamb had to be eaten if the curse of God were to pass over that house; just as the flesh and blood of the paschal lamb has to be eaten for eternal life.

Read the words of John 6, if Jesus had wanted to tell you "no, really my flesh is actually food and my blood is actually drink" what words should he have used instead? If it was really a symbol why didn't he tell those that left "guys, chill out, it's a symbol" as he had in the past whenever his parables were misunderstood?

---

OK cool, then I have been eating his literal flesh and drinking his blood this whole time. But I have also been engaging in communion exactly how he and apostles have commanded me too, which is the even more important part. DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.

Making sure you are of sound mind and in a good place spiritually to focus on the process is very important. It is not something to be done flippantly or out of habit or as a reflex. It is the most serious part of worship. So let me correct what I said above...there have been too many times where I just went through the routines and did NOT take communion as serious as I should have. I have to really put effort into making sure I am in a good and reverent place each time.

Quote:

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1 Corinthians 11
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

---

---

You need validly ordained priest to actually transform the bread and wine to his body and blood, Who is doing so through the ministry and priesthood of Jesus Christ.

The rest that is in Bold is beautiful and truly wish more Catholics who are given the true Body and Blood of Christ had your reverence for what it is.

---

Heresy. Hebrews says the old system of needing priests is over. We are all priests.

---

Clearly the 2000 year history of the Christian Priesthood is heresy. We just needed some prots to read the Bible and set us straight.

---

During the Jewish dispensation they resorted to idol worship in the temple, and lost the bible. When they found it they wept because they realized the things they were doing directly contradicted the holy scriptures.

Catholics have been doing this themselves for thousands of years. You don't need a protestant to tell you much of what you practice is nowhere in the bible, and often contrary to the scriptures.

---

What we practice predates the Bible.

---

Really calling your priest father? Establishing new positions in the church that are never mentioned in the bible. If the catholic tradition came first then it would have been put in the bible while they were still writing it...

Men have made new traditions after the bible was written. To deny that is dishonest at worst, and foolish at best.

Revelation 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Be careful. God doesn't take kindly to adding to his word.

---

Yes, much as protestants call Abraham "Father Abraham", "call no man father" doesn't mean not to call anyone father, just as Jesus saying " I am the vine" doesn't mean he's transformed into a plant. He's connecting the law of the prophets to the new law, heck even the King James Version of the bible has the commandment listed as "Honor your father and mother". What he's saying is don't respect anyone more than he; call no one father "before" or "above" me. The word Pope comes from the latin Papa; I'll lead you to figure out what that means.

We've had traditions before the Bible was written, the Bible is actually one of our traditions. Again, I'll pose the same question to you; where was the bible when St. Justin Martyr was talking about celebrating mass in 155 AD?

---

I don't call him that.

The bible is the perfect word of God.

There are traditions given for us to observe in scripture.

Anything outside of scriptures is not binding. It's a tradition of men.

Mark 7:3-8 (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands properly, holding to the tradition of the elders, 4 and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.) 5 And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, "Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?" 6 And he said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,
" 'This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
7 in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
8 You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men

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Which bible do you use? I'm assuming it has a differing number of books than mine does. Who made the decision to remove the others? Was it printing companies in the 18th century?

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TxAgPreacher said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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What is the eucharist and where is it in the bible may be the most Protestant thing I've ever heard.

The last supper? The bread of life discourse in John 6? the passover of the old Testament?

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All things Protestants acknowledge and celebrate and even re-enact. I guess I am wondering how it is exclusive to catholicism?

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Do you believe it's the flesh and blood of christ? Or is the teaching hard and who can accept it?

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Symbolically? Absolutely, what Christian doesn't believe that?

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Not symbolically, obviously. That's a Protestant invention

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Huh? You believe you are LITERALLY eating his body and drinking his blood? No way.

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Why else would it be so important? You think eating bread and drinking juice is the most important part of being a Christian?

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No, eating things is not at all important to Christians. It's the mental and spiritual act of reflection and remembrance and focus on Jesus that is important. I am not a trained monkey, I am an advanced spiritual being capable of real worship.

Why didn't Jesus give his men his literal body and blood to drink of rather than bread and fruit of the vine? Because the focus is on the ritual and it's significance...not on what substances we are ingesting. It is crazy what yall are taught in Catholic school and Mass...and so distant from what the original intent was on many things.

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It's really not though, it has been understood to be the body and blood of Christ until recent. The protestant reformers believed it was his body and blood until very recent; and it was an innovation to distance themselves from the Church.

The passover lamb had to be eaten if the curse of God were to pass over that house; just as the flesh and blood of the paschal lamb has to be eaten for eternal life.

Read the words of John 6, if Jesus had wanted to tell you "no, really my flesh is actually food and my blood is actually drink" what words should he have used instead? If it was really a symbol why didn't he tell those that left "guys, chill out, it's a symbol" as he had in the past whenever his parables were misunderstood?

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OK cool, then I have been eating his literal flesh and drinking his blood this whole time. But I have also been engaging in communion exactly how he and apostles have commanded me too, which is the even more important part. DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.

Making sure you are of sound mind and in a good place spiritually to focus on the process is very important. It is not something to be done flippantly or out of habit or as a reflex. It is the most serious part of worship. So let me correct what I said above...there have been too many times where I just went through the routines and did NOT take communion as serious as I should have. I have to really put effort into making sure I am in a good and reverent place each time.

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1 Corinthians 11
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

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You need validly ordained priest to actually transform the bread and wine to his body and blood, Who is doing so through the ministry and priesthood of Jesus Christ.

The rest that is in Bold is beautiful and truly wish more Catholics who are given the true Body and Blood of Christ had your reverence for what it is.

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Heresy. Hebrews says the old system of needing priests is over. We are all priests.

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Clearly the 2000 year history of the Christian Priesthood is heresy. We just needed some prots to read the Bible and set us straight.

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During the Jewish dispensation they resorted to idol worship in the temple, and lost the bible. When they found it they wept because they realized the things they were doing directly contradicted the holy scriptures.

Catholics have been doing this themselves for thousands of years. You don't need a protestant to tell you much of what you practice is nowhere in the bible, and often contrary to the scriptures.

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What we practice predates the Bible.

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Really calling your priest father? Establishing new positions in the church that are never mentioned in the bible. If the catholic tradition came first then it would have been put in the bible while they were still writing it...

Men have made new traditions after the bible was written. To deny that is dishonest at worst, and foolish at best.

Revelation 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Be careful. God doesn't take kindly to adding to his word.

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Yes, much as protestants call Abraham "Father Abraham", "call no man father" doesn't mean not to call anyone father, just as Jesus saying " I am the vine" doesn't mean he's transformed into a plant. He's connecting the law of the prophets to the new law, heck even the King James Version of the bible has the commandment listed as "Honor your father and mother". What he's saying is don't respect anyone more than he; call no one father "before" or "above" me. The word Pope comes from the latin Papa; I'll lead you to figure out what that means.

We've had traditions before the Bible was written, the Bible is actually one of our traditions. Again, I'll pose the same question to you; where was the bible when St. Justin Martyr was talking about celebrating mass in 155 AD?

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I don't call him that.

The bible is the perfect word of God.

There are traditions given for us to observe in scripture.

Anything outside of scriptures is not binding. It's a tradition of men.

Mark 7:3-8 (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands properly, holding to the tradition of the elders, 4 and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.) 5 And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, "Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?" 6 And he said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,
" 'This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
7 in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
8 You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men

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Which bible do you use? I'm assuming it has a differing number of books than mine does. Who made the decision to remove the others? Was it printing companies in the 18th century?

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You know only the propaganda your church taught you about how the scriptures, and canon were formed.

I've spent hundreds of ours learning about this.

The manuscripts are numerous, and all say the same thing with an over 99% accuracy.

You don't know what your talking about.

All Christians agree on the NT canon.

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If the catholic tradition came first then it would have been put in the bible while they were still writing it...

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They did.

Did the Last Supper occur before the writing of the New Testament? Because the 2nd half of the Mass, the Liturgy of the Eucharist, replicates what Christ himself celebrated with the Desciples.

Look...here is a simplistic breakdown of the Mass (i.e. the fundamentals of Catholic services):

-Introductory Rites
-Liturgy of the Word (Bible readings)
-Liturgy of the Eucharist
-Concluding Rites

Which part(s) of the above do you find extra Biblical or objectionable, because this is the Mass in a nutshell?

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If the catholic tradition came first then it would have been put in the bible while they were still writing it...

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They did.

Did the Last Supper occur before the writing of the New Testament? Because the 2nd half of the Mass, the Liturgy of the Eucharist, replicates what Christ himself celebrated with the Desciples.

Look...here is a simplistic breakdown of the Mass (i.e. the fundamentals of Catholic services):

-Introductory Rites
-Liturgy of the Word (Bible readings)
-Liturgy of the Eucharist
-Concluding Rites

Which part(s) of the above do you find extra Biblical or objectionable, because this is the Mass in a nutshell?

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How about the entire structure of the Catholic church's leadership?

You may be misunderstanding, so I wont assume you're being dishonest.

The argument is that Catholics have adopted a lot of extra biblical practices that are found nowhere in the scriptures.

If you're pretending to not realize that many catholic doctrines are not in the bible then idk what to tell you.

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Joe Boudain said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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What is the eucharist and where is it in the bible may be the most Protestant thing I've ever heard.

The last supper? The bread of life discourse in John 6? the passover of the old Testament?

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All things Protestants acknowledge and celebrate and even re-enact. I guess I am wondering how it is exclusive to catholicism?

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Do you believe it's the flesh and blood of christ? Or is the teaching hard and who can accept it?

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Symbolically? Absolutely, what Christian doesn't believe that?

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Not symbolically, obviously. That's a Protestant invention

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Huh? You believe you are LITERALLY eating his body and drinking his blood? No way.

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Why else would it be so important? You think eating bread and drinking juice is the most important part of being a Christian?

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No, eating things is not at all important to Christians. It's the mental and spiritual act of reflection and remembrance and focus on Jesus that is important. I am not a trained monkey, I am an advanced spiritual being capable of real worship.

Why didn't Jesus give his men his literal body and blood to drink of rather than bread and fruit of the vine? Because the focus is on the ritual and it's significance...not on what substances we are ingesting. It is crazy what yall are taught in Catholic school and Mass...and so distant from what the original intent was on many things.

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It's really not though, it has been understood to be the body and blood of Christ until recent. The protestant reformers believed it was his body and blood until very recent; and it was an innovation to distance themselves from the Church.

The passover lamb had to be eaten if the curse of God were to pass over that house; just as the flesh and blood of the paschal lamb has to be eaten for eternal life.

Read the words of John 6, if Jesus had wanted to tell you "no, really my flesh is actually food and my blood is actually drink" what words should he have used instead? If it was really a symbol why didn't he tell those that left "guys, chill out, it's a symbol" as he had in the past whenever his parables were misunderstood?

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OK cool, then I have been eating his literal flesh and drinking his blood this whole time. But I have also been engaging in communion exactly how he and apostles have commanded me too, which is the even more important part. DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.

Making sure you are of sound mind and in a good place spiritually to focus on the process is very important. It is not something to be done flippantly or out of habit or as a reflex. It is the most serious part of worship. So let me correct what I said above...there have been too many times where I just went through the routines and did NOT take communion as serious as I should have. I have to really put effort into making sure I am in a good and reverent place each time.

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1 Corinthians 11
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

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You need validly ordained priest to actually transform the bread and wine to his body and blood, Who is doing so through the ministry and priesthood of Jesus Christ.

The rest that is in Bold is beautiful and truly wish more Catholics who are given the true Body and Blood of Christ had your reverence for what it is.

---

Heresy. Hebrews says the old system of needing priests is over. We are all priests.

---

Clearly the 2000 year history of the Christian Priesthood is heresy. We just needed some prots to read the Bible and set us straight.

---

During the Jewish dispensation they resorted to idol worship in the temple, and lost the bible. When they found it they wept because they realized the things they were doing directly contradicted the holy scriptures.

Catholics have been doing this themselves for thousands of years. You don't need a protestant to tell you much of what you practice is nowhere in the bible, and often contrary to the scriptures.

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What we practice predates the Bible.

---

Really calling your priest father? Establishing new positions in the church that are never mentioned in the bible. If the catholic tradition came first then it would have been put in the bible while they were still writing it...

Men have made new traditions after the bible was written. To deny that is dishonest at worst, and foolish at best.

Revelation 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Be careful. God doesn't take kindly to adding to his word.

---

Yes, much as protestants call Abraham "Father Abraham", "call no man father" doesn't mean not to call anyone father, just as Jesus saying " I am the vine" doesn't mean he's transformed into a plant. He's connecting the law of the prophets to the new law, heck even the King James Version of the bible has the commandment listed as "Honor your father and mother". What he's saying is don't respect anyone more than he; call no one father "before" or "above" me. The word Pope comes from the latin Papa; I'll lead you to figure out what that means.

We've had traditions before the Bible was written, the Bible is actually one of our traditions. Again, I'll pose the same question to you; where was the bible when St. Justin Martyr was talking about celebrating mass in 155 AD?

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I don't call him that.

The bible is the perfect word of God.

There are traditions given for us to observe in scripture.

Anything outside of scriptures is not binding. It's a tradition of men.

Mark 7:3-8 (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands properly, holding to the tradition of the elders, 4 and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.) 5 And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, "Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?" 6 And he said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,
" 'This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
7 in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
8 You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men

---

Which bible do you use? I'm assuming it has a differing number of books than mine does. Who made the decision to remove the others? Was it printing companies in the 18th century?

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You know only the propaganda your church taught you about how the scriptures, and canon were formed.

I've spent hundreds of ours learning about this.

The manuscripts are numerous, and all say the same thing with an over 99% accuracy.

You don't know what your talking about.

All Christians agree on the NT canon.

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Nah, I'm pretty sure I've read Protestant, Orthodox and Catholic sources regarding the beliefs of the early church and how the vast number of writings were deemed "inspired" and what metric they used to deem them such.

You mention all Christians agree on the NT canon, but earlier you said the Bible is the perfect word of God which includes the Old Testament. Why would your old testament books be different than mine, when mine came first? Did you remove something?

Joe Boudain said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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jrico2727 said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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What is the eucharist and where is it in the bible may be the most Protestant thing I've ever heard.

The last supper? The bread of life discourse in John 6? the passover of the old Testament?

---

All things Protestants acknowledge and celebrate and even re-enact. I guess I am wondering how it is exclusive to catholicism?

---

Do you believe it's the flesh and blood of christ? Or is the teaching hard and who can accept it?

---

Symbolically? Absolutely, what Christian doesn't believe that?

---

Not symbolically, obviously. That's a Protestant invention

---

Huh? You believe you are LITERALLY eating his body and drinking his blood? No way.

---

Why else would it be so important? You think eating bread and drinking juice is the most important part of being a Christian?

---

No, eating things is not at all important to Christians. It's the mental and spiritual act of reflection and remembrance and focus on Jesus that is important. I am not a trained monkey, I am an advanced spiritual being capable of real worship.

Why didn't Jesus give his men his literal body and blood to drink of rather than bread and fruit of the vine? Because the focus is on the ritual and it's significance...not on what substances we are ingesting. It is crazy what yall are taught in Catholic school and Mass...and so distant from what the original intent was on many things.

---

It's really not though, it has been understood to be the body and blood of Christ until recent. The protestant reformers believed it was his body and blood until very recent; and it was an innovation to distance themselves from the Church.

The passover lamb had to be eaten if the curse of God were to pass over that house; just as the flesh and blood of the paschal lamb has to be eaten for eternal life.

Read the words of John 6, if Jesus had wanted to tell you "no, really my flesh is actually food and my blood is actually drink" what words should he have used instead? If it was really a symbol why didn't he tell those that left "guys, chill out, it's a symbol" as he had in the past whenever his parables were misunderstood?

---

OK cool, then I have been eating his literal flesh and drinking his blood this whole time. But I have also been engaging in communion exactly how he and apostles have commanded me too, which is the even more important part. DO THIS IN REMEMBRANCE OF ME.

Making sure you are of sound mind and in a good place spiritually to focus on the process is very important. It is not something to be done flippantly or out of habit or as a reflex. It is the most serious part of worship. So let me correct what I said above...there have been too many times where I just went through the routines and did NOT take communion as serious as I should have. I have to really put effort into making sure I am in a good and reverent place each time.

Quote:

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1 Corinthians 11
27 So then, whoever eats the bread or drinks the cup of the Lord in an unworthy manner will be guilty of sinning against the body and blood of the Lord. 28 Everyone ought to examine themselves before they eat of the bread and drink from the cup. 29 For those who eat and drink without discerning the body of Christ eat and drink judgment on themselves. 30 That is why many among you are weak and sick, and a number of you have fallen asleep.

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You need validly ordained priest to actually transform the bread and wine to his body and blood, Who is doing so through the ministry and priesthood of Jesus Christ.

The rest that is in Bold is beautiful and truly wish more Catholics who are given the true Body and Blood of Christ had your reverence for what it is.

---

Heresy. Hebrews says the old system of needing priests is over. We are all priests.

---

Clearly the 2000 year history of the Christian Priesthood is heresy. We just needed some prots to read the Bible and set us straight.

---

During the Jewish dispensation they resorted to idol worship in the temple, and lost the bible. When they found it they wept because they realized the things they were doing directly contradicted the holy scriptures.

Catholics have been doing this themselves for thousands of years. You don't need a protestant to tell you much of what you practice is nowhere in the bible, and often contrary to the scriptures.

---

What we practice predates the Bible.

---

Really calling your priest father? Establishing new positions in the church that are never mentioned in the bible. If the catholic tradition came first then it would have been put in the bible while they were still writing it...

Men have made new traditions after the bible was written. To deny that is dishonest at worst, and foolish at best.

Revelation 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Be careful. God doesn't take kindly to adding to his word.

---

Yes, much as protestants call Abraham "Father Abraham", "call no man father" doesn't mean not to call anyone father, just as Jesus saying " I am the vine" doesn't mean he's transformed into a plant. He's connecting the law of the prophets to the new law, heck even the King James Version of the bible has the commandment listed as "Honor your father and mother". What he's saying is don't respect anyone more than he; call no one father "before" or "above" me. The word Pope comes from the latin Papa; I'll lead you to figure out what that means.

We've had traditions before the Bible was written, the Bible is actually one of our traditions. Again, I'll pose the same question to you; where was the bible when St. Justin Martyr was talking about celebrating mass in 155 AD?

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I don't call him that.

The bible is the perfect word of God.

There are traditions given for us to observe in scripture.

Anything outside of scriptures is not binding. It's a tradition of men.

Mark 7:3-8 (For the Pharisees and all the Jews do not eat unless they wash their hands properly, holding to the tradition of the elders, 4 and when they come from the marketplace, they do not eat unless they wash. And there are many other traditions that they observe, such as the washing of cups and pots and copper vessels and dining couches.) 5 And the Pharisees and the scribes asked him, "Why do your disciples not walk according to the tradition of the elders, but eat with defiled hands?" 6 And he said to them, "Well did Isaiah prophesy of you hypocrites, as it is written,
" 'This people honors me with their lips,
but their heart is far from me;
7 in vain do they worship me,
teaching as doctrines the commandments of men.'
8 You leave the commandment of God and hold to the tradition of men

---

Which bible do you use? I'm assuming it has a differing number of books than mine does. Who made the decision to remove the others? Was it printing companies in the 18th century?

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You know only the propaganda your church taught you about how the scriptures, and canon were formed.

I've spent hundreds of ours learning about this.

The manuscripts are numerous, and all say the same thing with an over 99% accuracy.

You don't know what your talking about.

All Christians agree on the NT canon.

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Nah, I'm pretty sure I've read Protestant, Orthodox and Catholic sources regarding the beliefs of the early church and how the vast number of writings were deemed "inspired" and what metric they used to deem them such.

You mention all Christians agree on the NT canon, but earlier you said the Bible is the perfect word of God which includes the Old Testament. Why would your old testament books be different than mine, when mine came first? Did you remove something?

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The old covenant has been replaced with the new. So we can go down this rabbit trail if you want, but it makes no difference in Chrisitan doctrine.

I accept the same books as you for what its worth. It's not because a catholic told me what books to accept.

TxAgPreacher said:

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AggieRain said:

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If the catholic tradition came first then it would have been put in the bible while they were still writing it...

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They did.

Did the Last Supper occur before the writing of the New Testament? Because the 2nd half of the Mass, the Liturgy of the Eucharist, replicates what Christ himself celebrated with the Desciples.

Look...here is a simplistic breakdown of the Mass (i.e. the fundamentals of Catholic services):

-Introductory Rites
-Liturgy of the Word (Bible readings)
-Liturgy of the Eucharist
-Concluding Rites

Which part(s) of the above do you find extra Biblical or objectionable, because this is the Mass in a nutshell?

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How about the entire structure of the Catholic church's leadership?

You may be misunderstanding, so I wont assume you're being dishonest.

The argument is that Catholics have adopted a lot of extra biblical practices that are found nowhere in the scriptures.

If you're pretending to not realize that many catholic doctrines are not in the bible then idk what to tell you.

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Where does the Bible say that it has to?

You keep asking us to cooperate with you heresy of Scripture alone, which is it self un-biblical. Furthermore your definition of the faith would clearly clash with other proponents of Sola scripture, so how do we know you all are right if can't even agree.

When Christ proclaimed that the gates of hell wouldn't prevail against his Church was he wrong? When he gave the apostles, especially Peter the power to loose and bind on heaven and earth, did they forget the part that it has to be clearly defin d in scripture first?

It seems that you have added to scripture yourself, and we all know what a condemnable offense that is.

jrico2727 said:

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TxAgPreacher said:

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AggieRain said:

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If the catholic tradition came first then it would have been put in the bible while they were still writing it...

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They did.

Did the Last Supper occur before the writing of the New Testament? Because the 2nd half of the Mass, the Liturgy of the Eucharist, replicates what Christ himself celebrated with the Desciples.

Look...here is a simplistic breakdown of the Mass (i.e. the fundamentals of Catholic services):

-Introductory Rites
-Liturgy of the Word (Bible readings)
-Liturgy of the Eucharist
-Concluding Rites

Which part(s) of the above do you find extra Biblical or objectionable, because this is the Mass in a nutshell?

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How about the entire structure of the Catholic church's leadership?

You may be misunderstanding, so I wont assume you're being dishonest.

The argument is that Catholics have adopted a lot of extra biblical practices that are found nowhere in the scriptures.

If you're pretending to not realize that many catholic doctrines are not in the bible then idk what to tell you.

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Where does the Bible say that it has to?

You keep asking us to cooperate with you heresy of Scripture alone, which is it self un-biblical. Furthermore your definition of the faith would clearly clash with other proponents of Sola scripture, so how do we know you all are right if can't even agree.

When Christ proclaimed that the gates of hell wouldn't prevail against his Church was he wrong? When he gave the apostles, especially Peter the power to loose and bind on heaven and earth, did they forget the part that it has to be clearly defin d in scripture first?

It seems that you have added to scripture yourself, and we all know what a condemnable offense that is.

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The gates of hell have prevailed over the corrupt Catholic church.

Not His true church. There will always be a remnant of local faithful churches. Made of imperfect people, but that are not susceptible to big organizational corruption. That's why he didn't set up the church the way the catholic church is organized, and that that structure is not found in the bible.

You're right that there are heretical protestant churches out there. Your belief that Catholics are special and cant be corrupt is illogical, and frankly insane.

There are countless passages that show the bible is the perfect word of God, and that it's all we need to be complete in Gods eyes.

I never professed solo scriptura. I was only pointing out that catholics favor tradition over scripture. Even to the point of become pharisees.

There are many NT and OT storys where God gets very angry at people valuing traditon over his actual words.

Revelation 22:18-19 I warn everyone who hears the words of the prophecy of this book: if anyone adds to them, God will add to him the plagues described in this book, 19 and if anyone takes away from the words of the book of this prophecy, God will take away his share in the tree of life and in the holy city, which are described in this book.

Peter was an apostle they all had the authority to speak for God. That's how we got the scriptures. When they passed that authority deminished.

There is no clear passage spelling out apostolic succession, and it's cute that you think that is a clear passage on popehood.

It's a stretch and you know it.

How much have you read the writings of the Early Church? I would suggest reading the books of Ignatius of Antioch. The are fairly short. He is a disciple of St. John the evangelist and was taught directly by him. It may inform your notions on the early church.

He created one Church, if it failed Christ failed. He didn't create pockets of true churches scattered around from here to there. That is almost sounding like the Mormons trying to explain their theory on how the entire church went apostate.

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He created one Church, if it failed Christ failed. He didn't create pockets of true churches scattered around from here to there. That is almost sounding like the Mormons trying to explain their theory on how the entire church went apostate.

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Then how did countless churches in revelation, that were in good standing, get threated to loose their candlesticks?

God wouldn't allow it to be all or nothing.

The biblical pattern is local congregations that don't answer to each other, but to God alone.

You're take on this is far different from the first century church. Which had nothing to do with Rome.

You have lost your sacred ability to question church leadership when they fall short. Paul questioned Peter, and you're afraid to contradict a man who isn't an apostle.