Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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This is why the Bible warned against placing men between the common man and God. You think the popes are always gonna be good?

This guy is just straight up evil. A devout leftist.

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No, I do not think the Pope's are always going to be good, history teaches us that is not the case. I do believe the Pope will always be safeguarded from espousing heresy and leading the Church off the rails into damnation.

You can see the spirit at work right now, as orthodoxy has come from places it is normally not seen; i.e Cardinal Gregory in Washington DC taking President Biden to task for his statement on when life begins.

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The bold is the key. And when you look at the long arc of Church history it is not as hard to defend as one would suspect. There really is evidence of the bold. It is extremely difficult to find during periods of obviously bad Popes or even entirely secular minded Popes (think of the Rennassiance era ones) to find that they also proclaimed a heresy or were able to make it `stick'. The very secular or even flesh distractions of those types usually preclude the proclamations and councils that impact doctrines.

So what he is saying in the bold is correct. The more you know of the arc of papal history, the more persuaded you are that in a divine Mystery not easily articulated--- they are safeguarded from heresy. If only by events sometimes. God's tools are many.

Joe Boudain said:

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I will go on record and say that any Catholic who publicly denigrates the Vicar of Christ is guilty of sacrilege and needs to repent.

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This is hilarious.

Joe Boudain said:

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I will go on record and say that any Catholic who publicly denigrates the Vicar of Christ is guilty of sacrilege and needs to repent.

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This pope is A or is The False prophet. Very confident Jesus would agree so no need to repent. Pope Francis goes against Jesus teachings.

Did pastor JimBob tell you that?

It is hilarious. Wearing a funny hat and robe doesn't represent Christ. As a matter of fact he was against the establishment who used their position in religion as a means of power and wealth, which is exactly what this pope is.

Pookers said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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Tastybrisket10 said:

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Genuine question because I am not Catholic. What is his opinion on vaccines made from aborted fetal cells?

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pretty sure he gave some BS statement months ago about how the good that came from the vaccine outweighs the bad of the fetal cells that came from an abortion. so he's basically just a politician

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There are no aborted fetal cells that are used in the vaccines that are approved by the Vatican. There is a lamentable truth that some of the vaccines that are now being approved were originally tested with aborted fetal cells.

However, given that the vaccines are not currently engaged in ongoing sin, they are morally permissible.

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Your pope is an open commie and the Vatican is rotten to the core. Catholics of legitimate faith would be better off running this filth out of the church than looking the other way or making excuses. Protestants are facing a similar situation with wokeness infiltrating a lot of churches as well.

Christians in general need to stop being cowards and start running these commies out. We need an inquisition 2.0.

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Disagree about the open commie part, but have a hard time disagreeing about the smoke of Satan in the Vatican.

I believe in deference to proper authority, that is the hallmark of what being a Catholic is and is why we have maintained through 2,000 years of turmoil. I'm not going to roll a grenade into the Pope's tent and frag him, I will let the Holy Spirit continue to safeguard us as it has since the beginning.

Pookers said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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Tastybrisket10 said:

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Genuine question because I am not Catholic. What is his opinion on vaccines made from aborted fetal cells?

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pretty sure he gave some BS statement months ago about how the good that came from the vaccine outweighs the bad of the fetal cells that came from an abortion. so he's basically just a politician

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There are no aborted fetal cells that are used in the vaccines that are approved by the Vatican. There is a lamentable truth that some of the vaccines that are now being approved were originally tested with aborted fetal cells.

However, given that the vaccines are not currently engaged in ongoing sin, they are morally permissible.

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Your pope is an open commie and the Vatican is rotten to the core. Catholics of legitimate faith would be better off running this filth out of the church than looking the other way or making excuses. Protestants are facing a similar situation with wokeness infiltrating a lot of churches as well.

Christians in general need to stop being cowards and start running these commies out. We need an inquisition 2.0.

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And who would be in charge of this Inquisition 2.0, exactly?

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Genuine question because I am not Catholic. What is his opinion on vaccines made from aborted fetal cells?

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https://www.vatican.va/roman_curia/congregations/cfaith/documents/rc_con_cfaith_doc_20201221_nota-vaccini-anticovid_en.html

Catholics scared of saying anything bad about this pope or they'll be struck down.

This thread:

titan said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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This is why the Bible warned against placing men between the common man and God. You think the popes are always gonna be good?

This guy is just straight up evil. A devout leftist.

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No, I do not think the Pope's are always going to be good, history teaches us that is not the case. I do believe the Pope will always be safeguarded from espousing heresy and leading the Church off the rails into damnation.

You can see the spirit at work right now, as orthodoxy has come from places it is normally not seen; i.e Cardinal Gregory in Washington DC taking President Biden to task for his statement on when life begins.

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The bold is the key. And when you look at the long arc of Church history it is not as hard to defend as one would suspect. There really is evidence of the bold. It is extremely difficult to find during periods of obviously bad Popes or even entirely secular minded Popes (think of the Rennassiance era ones) to find that they also proclaimed a heresy or were able to make it `stick'. The very secular or even flesh distractions of those types usually preclude the proclamations and councils that impact doctrines.

So what he is saying in the bold is correct. The more you know of the arc of papal history, the more persuaded you are that in a divine Mystery not easily articulated--- they are safeguarded from heresy. If only by events sometimes. God's tools are many.

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Pope Benedict had one of my favorite explanations of the safeguarding of the Pope from heresy by the Holy Spirit. He says that the Pope's are people just like all of God's creation and have autonomy and free will and aren't puppets controlled by the Spirit. The Spirit just makes sure the Church doesn't authoritatively teach heresy.

Again, it's very odd that the extremely liberal Cardinal Gregory gave an emphatic rejection of Joe Biden's stance on abortion, going so far as to say the Catholic church would never change their opinion on the sanctity of life nor support abortion. This is the spirit at work.

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Pope Francis gives all of us a greater reason to pray.

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Yes, when I hear/read what he's saying. It's lamentable that the papacy has drawn so much attention in the modern world. It's helped to facilitate an abuse of Vatican I (PoPe SaYs (while on airplane)!!!! MuSt ObEy!!!!!).

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Ultramontanism is unfortunately rampant in these times. I fully believe in Papal Infallibility it just frustrating how many people, especially fellow Catholics who fail to understand what that means.

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Joe Boudain said:

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I will go on record and say that any Catholic who publicly denigrates the Vicar of Christ is guilty of sacrilege and needs to repent.

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This pope is A or is The False prophet. Very confident Jesus would agree so no need to repent. Pope Francis goes against Jesus teachings.

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Well, if you're very confident, I guess my faith is shaken to the core.

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This comment seems to be in reference to Cardinal Burke. Assuming this translation is correct, this pope's pettiness is unbelievable. With all the popes in my lifetime I knew with 100% certainty they were better people then me (an average Catholic), but with this one it is a coin flip.

On plane from Slovakia, Pope Francis references Cardinal Burke's hospitalization with Covid: "Even in the college of cardinals, there are some vaccine deniers, and one of them, poor man, is in hospital with the virus. It’s an irony of life." pic.twitter.com/XBcG99exQR

— Catholic Sat (@CatholicSat) September 15, 2021

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He's sort of like Trump in that he apparently blurts out whatever comes across his mind. He's frequently out of line and does not, in my view, follow the example as set forth by Christ. Francis should quit the church and run for office in Argentina.

Joe Boudain said:

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Pookers said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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Tastybrisket10 said:

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Genuine question because I am not Catholic. What is his opinion on vaccines made from aborted fetal cells?

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pretty sure he gave some BS statement months ago about how the good that came from the vaccine outweighs the bad of the fetal cells that came from an abortion. so he's basically just a politician

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There are no aborted fetal cells that are used in the vaccines that are approved by the Vatican. There is a lamentable truth that some of the vaccines that are now being approved were originally tested with aborted fetal cells.

However, given that the vaccines are not currently engaged in ongoing sin, they are morally permissible.

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Your pope is an open commie and the Vatican is rotten to the core. Catholics of legitimate faith would be better off running this filth out of the church than looking the other way or making excuses. Protestants are facing a similar situation with wokeness infiltrating a lot of churches as well.

Christians in general need to stop being cowards and start running these commies out. We need an inquisition 2.0.

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Disagree about the open commie part, but have a hard time disagreeing about the smoke of Satan in the Vatican.

I believe in deference to proper authority, that is the hallmark of what being a Catholic is and is why we have maintained through 2,000 years of turmoil. I'm not going to roll a grenade into the Pope's tent and frag him, I will let the Holy Spirit continue to safeguard us as it has since the beginning.

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The proper authority is Christ. The Pope is fallen, just like the rest of us. Giving an individual control over church dogma, which is supposed to be infallible, seems like a bad idea. Hence why the position of the Pope has been abused throughout history.

Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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This is why the Bible warned against placing men between the common man and God. You think the popes are always gonna be good?

This guy is just straight up evil. A devout leftist.

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No, I do not think the Pope's are always going to be good, history teaches us that is not the case. I do believe the Pope will always be safeguarded from espousing heresy and leading the Church off the rails into damnation.

You can see the spirit at work right now, as orthodoxy has come from places it is normally not seen; i.e Cardinal Gregory in Washington DC taking President Biden to task for his statement on when life begins.

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The Pope IS heresy. There is ZERO biblical basis for him. This does not mean Catholics aren't Christians or that they won't be saved. But I personally don't think a single Pope will be saved. The Bible holds those in positions of religious authority to a much higher standard.

Matthew something something:

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And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

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The bible basically just recommends having elders/leaders in the church to help watch over the flock.

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The Spirit just makes sure the Church doesn't authoritatively teach heresy.

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Another example of that is the controversial Vatican I council. It is widely known that Pius IX wanted to aggregate a lot more power to his position, but it is considered a movement of the Spirit that such a narrow and precise definition emerged. This is another example by sometimes events also intervene.

Kvetch said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Pookers said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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Tastybrisket10 said:

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Genuine question because I am not Catholic. What is his opinion on vaccines made from aborted fetal cells?

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pretty sure he gave some BS statement months ago about how the good that came from the vaccine outweighs the bad of the fetal cells that came from an abortion. so he's basically just a politician

---

There are no aborted fetal cells that are used in the vaccines that are approved by the Vatican. There is a lamentable truth that some of the vaccines that are now being approved were originally tested with aborted fetal cells.

However, given that the vaccines are not currently engaged in ongoing sin, they are morally permissible.

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Your pope is an open commie and the Vatican is rotten to the core. Catholics of legitimate faith would be better off running this filth out of the church than looking the other way or making excuses. Protestants are facing a similar situation with wokeness infiltrating a lot of churches as well.

Christians in general need to stop being cowards and start running these commies out. We need an inquisition 2.0.

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Disagree about the open commie part, but have a hard time disagreeing about the smoke of Satan in the Vatican.

I believe in deference to proper authority, that is the hallmark of what being a Catholic is and is why we have maintained through 2,000 years of turmoil. I'm not going to roll a grenade into the Pope's tent and frag him, I will let the Holy Spirit continue to safeguard us as it has since the beginning.

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The proper authority is Christ. The Pope is fallen, just like the rest of us. Giving an individual control over church dogma, which is supposed to be infallible, seems like a bad idea. Hence why the position of the Pope has been abused throughout history.

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I agree with you about Christ, which is why him delegating his authority to Peter who delegated it on and on and on is a big thing for me.

As bad as some people say Pope Francis is, he hasn't denied Christ three times, so I feel safe that Christ can work through those with fallen natures.

Joe Boudain said:

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Pookers said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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Tastybrisket10 said:

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Genuine question because I am not Catholic. What is his opinion on vaccines made from aborted fetal cells?

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pretty sure he gave some BS statement months ago about how the good that came from the vaccine outweighs the bad of the fetal cells that came from an abortion. so he's basically just a politician

---

There are no aborted fetal cells that are used in the vaccines that are approved by the Vatican. There is a lamentable truth that some of the vaccines that are now being approved were originally tested with aborted fetal cells.

However, given that the vaccines are not currently engaged in ongoing sin, they are morally permissible.

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Your pope is an open commie and the Vatican is rotten to the core. Catholics of legitimate faith would be better off running this filth out of the church than looking the other way or making excuses. Protestants are facing a similar situation with wokeness infiltrating a lot of churches as well.

Christians in general need to stop being cowards and start running these commies out. We need an inquisition 2.0.

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Disagree about the open commie part, but have a hard time disagreeing about the smoke of Satan in the Vatican.

I believe in deference to proper authority, that is the hallmark of what being a Catholic is and is why we have maintained through 2,000 years of turmoil. I'm not going to roll a grenade into the Pope's tent and frag him, I will let the Holy Spirit continue to safeguard us as it has since the beginning.

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When it comes to calumny to the man etc..., yes, I agree. Repent. When it comes to disrespecting the office, again, I agree. REPENT. At the same time, history has demonstrated the pope sometimes needs to be rebuked for error. Paul to Peter. Saint Catherine of Sienna to Pope Gregory XI. When the shepherd acts to disperse the flock or perhaps to escort them over the cliff, a rebuke is necessary as he is not imitating the Good Shepherd (by going after the lost sheep).

Joe Boudain said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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I will go on record and say that any Catholic who publicly denigrates the Vicar of Christ is guilty of sacrilege and needs to repent.

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This pope is A or is The False prophet. Very confident Jesus would agree so no need to repent. Pope Francis goes against Jesus teachings.

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Well, if you're very confident, I guess my faith is shaken to the core.

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My confidence comes from scripture. Pope Francis is the opposite of Jesus teachings.

747Ag said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Pookers said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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Tastybrisket10 said:

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Genuine question because I am not Catholic. What is his opinion on vaccines made from aborted fetal cells?

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pretty sure he gave some BS statement months ago about how the good that came from the vaccine outweighs the bad of the fetal cells that came from an abortion. so he's basically just a politician

---

There are no aborted fetal cells that are used in the vaccines that are approved by the Vatican. There is a lamentable truth that some of the vaccines that are now being approved were originally tested with aborted fetal cells.

However, given that the vaccines are not currently engaged in ongoing sin, they are morally permissible.

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Your pope is an open commie and the Vatican is rotten to the core. Catholics of legitimate faith would be better off running this filth out of the church than looking the other way or making excuses. Protestants are facing a similar situation with wokeness infiltrating a lot of churches as well.

Christians in general need to stop being cowards and start running these commies out. We need an inquisition 2.0.

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Disagree about the open commie part, but have a hard time disagreeing about the smoke of Satan in the Vatican.

I believe in deference to proper authority, that is the hallmark of what being a Catholic is and is why we have maintained through 2,000 years of turmoil. I'm not going to roll a grenade into the Pope's tent and frag him, I will let the Holy Spirit continue to safeguard us as it has since the beginning.

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When it comes to calumny to the man etc..., yes, I agree. Repent. When it comes to disrespecting the office, again, I agree. REPENT. At the same time, history has demonstrated the pope sometimes needs to be rebuked for error. Paul to Peter. Saint Catherine of Sienna to Pope Gregory XI. When the shepherd acts to disperse the flock or perhaps to escort them over the cliff, a rebuke is necessary as he is not imitating the Good Shepherd (by going after the lost sheep).

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Joe Boudain said:

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Kvetch said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Pookers said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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Tastybrisket10 said:

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Genuine question because I am not Catholic. What is his opinion on vaccines made from aborted fetal cells?

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pretty sure he gave some BS statement months ago about how the good that came from the vaccine outweighs the bad of the fetal cells that came from an abortion. so he's basically just a politician

---

There are no aborted fetal cells that are used in the vaccines that are approved by the Vatican. There is a lamentable truth that some of the vaccines that are now being approved were originally tested with aborted fetal cells.

However, given that the vaccines are not currently engaged in ongoing sin, they are morally permissible.

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Your pope is an open commie and the Vatican is rotten to the core. Catholics of legitimate faith would be better off running this filth out of the church than looking the other way or making excuses. Protestants are facing a similar situation with wokeness infiltrating a lot of churches as well.

Christians in general need to stop being cowards and start running these commies out. We need an inquisition 2.0.

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Disagree about the open commie part, but have a hard time disagreeing about the smoke of Satan in the Vatican.

I believe in deference to proper authority, that is the hallmark of what being a Catholic is and is why we have maintained through 2,000 years of turmoil. I'm not going to roll a grenade into the Pope's tent and frag him, I will let the Holy Spirit continue to safeguard us as it has since the beginning.

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The proper authority is Christ. The Pope is fallen, just like the rest of us. Giving an individual control over church dogma, which is supposed to be infallible, seems like a bad idea. Hence why the position of the Pope has been abused throughout history.

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I agree with you about Christ, which is why him delegating his authority to Peter who delegated it on and on and on is a big thing for me.

As bad as some people say Pope Francis is, he hasn't denied Christ three times, so I feel safe that Christ can work through those with fallen natures.

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And he hasn't killed Christians like Paul or had his buddy sent to die in war so that he could fornicate with his wife like David...there is always forgiveness if he repents and asks for it and changes his ways and quits misleading people away from Jesus.

SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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This is why the Bible warned against placing men between the common man and God. You think the popes are always gonna be good?

This guy is just straight up evil. A devout leftist.

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No, I do not think the Pope's are always going to be good, history teaches us that is not the case. I do believe the Pope will always be safeguarded from espousing heresy and leading the Church off the rails into damnation.

You can see the spirit at work right now, as orthodoxy has come from places it is normally not seen; i.e Cardinal Gregory in Washington DC taking President Biden to task for his statement on when life begins.

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The Pope IS heresy. There is ZERO biblical basis for him. This does not mean Catholics aren't Christians or that they won't be saved. But I don't think a single Pope will be saved. The Bible holds those in positions of religious authority to a much higher standard.

Matthew something something:

Quote:

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And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

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This is all wrong, where did you hear this? This is why it is troublesome to be a Christian outside of the bounds of the magisterium. You have billions of people interpreting stuff however they want to, and is what causes numerous Protestant splinters.

Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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I will go on record and say that any Catholic who publicly denigrates the Vicar of Christ is guilty of sacrilege and needs to repent.

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This pope is A or is The False prophet. Very confident Jesus would agree so no need to repent. Pope Francis goes against Jesus teachings.

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Well, if you're very confident, I guess my faith is shaken to the core.

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My confidence comes from scripture. Pope Francis is the opposite of Jesus teachings.

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Explain that.

Thread looking like it will be bumped to F15.

747Ag said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Pookers said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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Tastybrisket10 said:

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Genuine question because I am not Catholic. What is his opinion on vaccines made from aborted fetal cells?

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pretty sure he gave some BS statement months ago about how the good that came from the vaccine outweighs the bad of the fetal cells that came from an abortion. so he's basically just a politician

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There are no aborted fetal cells that are used in the vaccines that are approved by the Vatican. There is a lamentable truth that some of the vaccines that are now being approved were originally tested with aborted fetal cells.

However, given that the vaccines are not currently engaged in ongoing sin, they are morally permissible.

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Your pope is an open commie and the Vatican is rotten to the core. Catholics of legitimate faith would be better off running this filth out of the church than looking the other way or making excuses. Protestants are facing a similar situation with wokeness infiltrating a lot of churches as well.

Christians in general need to stop being cowards and start running these commies out. We need an inquisition 2.0.

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Disagree about the open commie part, but have a hard time disagreeing about the smoke of Satan in the Vatican.

I believe in deference to proper authority, that is the hallmark of what being a Catholic is and is why we have maintained through 2,000 years of turmoil. I'm not going to roll a grenade into the Pope's tent and frag him, I will let the Holy Spirit continue to safeguard us as it has since the beginning.

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When it comes to calumny to the man etc..., yes, I agree. Repent. When it comes to disrespecting the office, again, I agree. REPENT. At the same time, history has demonstrated the pope sometimes needs to be rebuked for error. Paul to Peter. Saint Catherine of Sienna to Pope Gregory XI. When the shepherd acts to disperse the flock or perhaps to escort them over the cliff, a rebuke is necessary as he is not imitating the Good Shepherd (by going after the lost sheep).

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Look at the Borgia Popes and understand that compared to that, Francis is only a bit of a test of any confidence in the safeguarding. But that's just the thing -- those Popes end up have very little theological downstream declarations.

747Ag said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Pookers said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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Tastybrisket10 said:

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Genuine question because I am not Catholic. What is his opinion on vaccines made from aborted fetal cells?

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pretty sure he gave some BS statement months ago about how the good that came from the vaccine outweighs the bad of the fetal cells that came from an abortion. so he's basically just a politician

---

There are no aborted fetal cells that are used in the vaccines that are approved by the Vatican. There is a lamentable truth that some of the vaccines that are now being approved were originally tested with aborted fetal cells.

However, given that the vaccines are not currently engaged in ongoing sin, they are morally permissible.

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Your pope is an open commie and the Vatican is rotten to the core. Catholics of legitimate faith would be better off running this filth out of the church than looking the other way or making excuses. Protestants are facing a similar situation with wokeness infiltrating a lot of churches as well.

Christians in general need to stop being cowards and start running these commies out. We need an inquisition 2.0.

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Disagree about the open commie part, but have a hard time disagreeing about the smoke of Satan in the Vatican.

I believe in deference to proper authority, that is the hallmark of what being a Catholic is and is why we have maintained through 2,000 years of turmoil. I'm not going to roll a grenade into the Pope's tent and frag him, I will let the Holy Spirit continue to safeguard us as it has since the beginning.

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When it comes to calumny to the man etc..., yes, I agree. Repent. When it comes to disrespecting the office, again, I agree. REPENT. At the same time, history has demonstrated the pope sometimes needs to be rebuked for error. Paul to Peter. Saint Catherine of Sienna to Pope Gregory XI. When the shepherd acts to disperse the flock or perhaps to escort them over the cliff, a rebuke is necessary as he is not imitating the Good Shepherd (by going after the lost sheep).

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Sure, but Facebook posts and online rantings are not the forum.

Fraternal correction is one thing, "lol Pope Marx I" something else

Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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This is why the Bible warned against placing men between the common man and God. You think the popes are always gonna be good?

This guy is just straight up evil. A devout leftist.

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No, I do not think the Pope's are always going to be good, history teaches us that is not the case. I do believe the Pope will always be safeguarded from espousing heresy and leading the Church off the rails into damnation.

You can see the spirit at work right now, as orthodoxy has come from places it is normally not seen; i.e Cardinal Gregory in Washington DC taking President Biden to task for his statement on when life begins.

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The Pope IS heresy. There is ZERO biblical basis for him. This does not mean Catholics aren't Christians or that they won't be saved. But I don't think a single Pope will be saved. The Bible holds those in positions of religious authority to a much higher standard.

Matthew something something:

Quote:

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And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

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This is all wrong, where did you hear this? This is why it is troublesome to be a Christian outside of the bounds of the magisterium. You have billions of people interpreting stuff however they want to, and is what causes numerous Protestant splinters.

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LOL...where did I hear this? The Bible. The only book that matters. I don't need closeted homosexuals (I'd guess about 60-70% of the men of the cloth) in robes to interpret scripture for me. I know people who have devoted their life to it. Who study the Greek and even the Aramaic and could run circles around any bishop or cardinal or whatever.

He could be that bad though. The political relevance here is that Popes can stray into excessive political and even secular worldviews, at the cost of their theological impact. Its already clear he is no Benedict XVI or John Paul II.

DallasAg 94 said:

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Pookers said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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I will go on record and say that any Catholic who publicly denigrates the Vicar of Christ is guilty of sacrilege and needs to repent.

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This is hilarious.

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It almost ... almost sounds like a Democrat calling a Black person Uncle Tom and how they need to get back on the Democrat Plantation.

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To be a moral person we must be just, to be just we must give one another what they are due. The position of the Pope is due such justice not because of the man who sits on the chair of Peter, but because of Christ who established it. There are fair ways to criticize and even chastise the Pope that are not sinful. Calling him the Vicar of Satan doesn't fall into that category.

Joe Boudain said:

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747Ag said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Pookers said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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TexasAggie_02 said:

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Tastybrisket10 said:

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Genuine question because I am not Catholic. What is his opinion on vaccines made from aborted fetal cells?

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pretty sure he gave some BS statement months ago about how the good that came from the vaccine outweighs the bad of the fetal cells that came from an abortion. so he's basically just a politician

---

There are no aborted fetal cells that are used in the vaccines that are approved by the Vatican. There is a lamentable truth that some of the vaccines that are now being approved were originally tested with aborted fetal cells.

However, given that the vaccines are not currently engaged in ongoing sin, they are morally permissible.

---

Your pope is an open commie and the Vatican is rotten to the core. Catholics of legitimate faith would be better off running this filth out of the church than looking the other way or making excuses. Protestants are facing a similar situation with wokeness infiltrating a lot of churches as well.

Christians in general need to stop being cowards and start running these commies out. We need an inquisition 2.0.

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Disagree about the open commie part, but have a hard time disagreeing about the smoke of Satan in the Vatican.

I believe in deference to proper authority, that is the hallmark of what being a Catholic is and is why we have maintained through 2,000 years of turmoil. I'm not going to roll a grenade into the Pope's tent and frag him, I will let the Holy Spirit continue to safeguard us as it has since the beginning.

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When it comes to calumny to the man etc..., yes, I agree. Repent. When it comes to disrespecting the office, again, I agree. REPENT. At the same time, history has demonstrated the pope sometimes needs to be rebuked for error. Paul to Peter. Saint Catherine of Sienna to Pope Gregory XI. When the shepherd acts to disperse the flock or perhaps to escort them over the cliff, a rebuke is necessary as he is not imitating the Good Shepherd (by going after the lost sheep).

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Sure, but Facebook posts and online rantings are not the forum.

Fraternal correction is one thing, "lol Pope Marx I" something else

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Yes, typically in a group such as this without a shared set of assumptions and presuppositions, I tend to limit my critiques of His Holiness because it devolves into the The Dumb Song. And I really am in no place for a fraternal correction... just some middle-aged engineer in Florida. But with my friends, we do discuss items like Traditiones Custodes and Amoris Laetitia and Fratelli Tutti. Does it pass muster for keeping with Tradition? Good discussions ensue. A good coming together of the Pipe, the Pint, and the Cross.

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This is why the Bible warned against placing men between the common man and God. You think the popes are always gonna be good?

This guy is just straight up evil. A devout leftist.

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No, I do not think the Pope's are always going to be good, history teaches us that is not the case. I do believe the Pope will always be safeguarded from espousing heresy and leading the Church off the rails into damnation.

You can see the spirit at work right now, as orthodoxy has come from places it is normally not seen; i.e Cardinal Gregory in Washington DC taking President Biden to task for his statement on when life begins.

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The Pope IS heresy. There is ZERO biblical basis for him. This does not mean Catholics aren't Christians or that they won't be saved. But I don't think a single Pope will be saved. The Bible holds those in positions of religious authority to a much higher standard.

Matthew something something:

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And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

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This is all wrong, where did you hear this? This is why it is troublesome to be a Christian outside of the bounds of the magisterium. You have billions of people interpreting stuff however they want to, and is what causes numerous Protestant splinters.

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LOL...where did I hear this? The Bible. The only book that matters. I don't need closeted homosexuals (I'd guess about 60-70% of the men of the cloth) in robes to interpret scripture for me. I know people who have devoted their life to it. Who study the Greek and even the Aramaic and could run circles around any bishop or cardinal or whatever.

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And who compiled that Bible, exactly?

I am Catholic. The Pope is just a human being susceptible to the same temptations and corruption as any other human being. That's what it boils down to.

Frequently, God places challenges in our way in order for us to learn and strengthen our resolve in our faith. In fact, I think that is His main methodology. Having a bad Pope every know and then challenges Catholics to examine our beliefs, especially regarding the role of the clergy. It is too easy to be lazy about your faith without challenge. In the end, those not up to the task will leave, and the what remains will be stronger. Isn't this the natural pattern for things in this material world?

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I will go on record and say that any Catholic who publicly denigrates the Vicar of Christ is guilty of sacrilege and needs to repent.

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This is hilarious.

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It almost ... almost sounds like a Democrat calling a Black person Uncle Tom and how they need to get back on the Democrat Plantation.

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To be a moral person we must be just, to be just we must give one another what they are due. The position of the Pope is due such justice not because of the man who sits on the chair of Peter, but because of Christ who established it. There are fair ways to criticize and even chastise the Pope that are not sinful. Calling him the Vicar of Satan doesn't fall into that category.

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Except many people do not believe that Christ established the Pope as he currently exists. There's multiple ways to interpret what that rock is. I would contend that it isn't the Catholic definition, as evidenced by all of the corrupt Popes that have led the flock astray.