Kvetch said:

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jrico2727 said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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Pookers said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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I will go on record and say that any Catholic who publicly denigrates the Vicar of Christ is guilty of sacrilege and needs to repent.

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This is hilarious.

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It almost ... almost sounds like a Democrat calling a Black person Uncle Tom and how they need to get back on the Democrat Plantation.

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To be a moral person we must be just, to be just we must give one another what they are due. The position of the Pope is due such justice not because of the man who sits on the chair of Peter, but because of Christ who established it. There are fair ways to criticize and even chastise the Pope that are not sinful. Calling him the Vicar of Satan doesn't fall into that category.

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Except many people do not believe that Christ established the Pope as he currently exists. There's multiple ways to interpret what that rock is. I would contend that it isn't the Catholic definition, as evidenced by all of the corrupt Popes that have led the flock astray.

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There have been a lot of damn good Popes too. You can't just ignore that.

Yes I do not consider discussion between catholic friends as "in public", we are actually doing so right now haha

Kvetch said:

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jrico2727 said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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Pookers said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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I will go on record and say that any Catholic who publicly denigrates the Vicar of Christ is guilty of sacrilege and needs to repent.

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This is hilarious.

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It almost ... almost sounds like a Democrat calling a Black person Uncle Tom and how they need to get back on the Democrat Plantation.

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To be a moral person we must be just, to be just we must give one another what they are due. The position of the Pope is due such justice not because of the man who sits on the chair of Peter, but because of Christ who established it. There are fair ways to criticize and even chastise the Pope that are not sinful. Calling him the Vicar of Satan doesn't fall into that category.

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Except many people do not believe that Christ established the Pope as he currently exists. There's multiple ways to interpret what that rock is. I would contend that it isn't the Catholic definition, as evidenced by all of the corrupt Popes that have led the flock astray.

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Corrupt popes and bishops are just more recent Judas Iscariots.

Kvetch said:

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jrico2727 said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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Pookers said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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I will go on record and say that any Catholic who publicly denigrates the Vicar of Christ is guilty of sacrilege and needs to repent.

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This is hilarious.

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It almost ... almost sounds like a Democrat calling a Black person Uncle Tom and how they need to get back on the Democrat Plantation.

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To be a moral person we must be just, to be just we must give one another what they are due. The position of the Pope is due such justice not because of the man who sits on the chair of Peter, but because of Christ who established it. There are fair ways to criticize and even chastise the Pope that are not sinful. Calling him the Vicar of Satan doesn't fall into that category.

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Except many people do not believe that Christ established the Pope as he currently exists. There's multiple ways to interpret what that rock is. I would contend that it isn't the Catholic definition, as evidenced by all of the corrupt Popes that have led the flock astray.

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Yes those people are what I would call "incorrect"

Joe Boudain said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Detmersdislocatedshoulder said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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I will go on record and say that any Catholic who publicly denigrates the Vicar of Christ is guilty of sacrilege and needs to repent.

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This pope is A or is The False prophet. Very confident Jesus would agree so no need to repent. Pope Francis goes against Jesus teachings.

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Well, if you're very confident, I guess my faith is shaken to the core.

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My confidence comes from scripture. Pope Francis is the opposite of Jesus teachings.

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Explain that.

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How about this I will pray for discernment during these troubled times for you. I pray that as you read scripture you will see the stark contrast between this pope and Jesus teachings. That you will see that this pope is far different that say a pope John Paul. At this point that's the best I can do for you.

Have a blessed day

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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This is why the Bible warned against placing men between the common man and God. You think the popes are always gonna be good?

This guy is just straight up evil. A devout leftist.

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No, I do not think the Pope's are always going to be good, history teaches us that is not the case. I do believe the Pope will always be safeguarded from espousing heresy and leading the Church off the rails into damnation.

You can see the spirit at work right now, as orthodoxy has come from places it is normally not seen; i.e Cardinal Gregory in Washington DC taking President Biden to task for his statement on when life begins.

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The Pope IS heresy. There is ZERO biblical basis for him. This does not mean Catholics aren't Christians or that they won't be saved. But I don't think a single Pope will be saved. The Bible holds those in positions of religious authority to a much higher standard.

Matthew something something:

Quote:

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And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

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This is all wrong, where did you hear this? This is why it is troublesome to be a Christian outside of the bounds of the magisterium. You have billions of people interpreting stuff however they want to, and is what causes numerous Protestant splinters.

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LOL...where did I hear this? The Bible. The only book that matters. I don't need closeted homosexuals (I'd guess about 60-70% of the men of the cloth) in robes to interpret scripture for me. I know people who have devoted their life to it. Who study the Greek and even the Aramaic and could run circles around any bishop or cardinal or whatever.

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And who compiled that Bible, exactly?

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The early church, the Universal aka Catholic Church. That was NOTHING in shape or form like it is today. Do you know why it was called "Catholic"? I will always give props to the early/original organized church. Before the endless list of man made rules that are not supported at all by scripture. Like having a Pope, or men elevated between you and God spiritually that you must confess to.

Joe Boudain said:

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As for me and my house, we will defend the Vicar of Christ.

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Such goal tending. To what level will you defend a man becuase he's Pope?

Alexander VI - bought the papacy, killed rivals, illegitimate children

Stephen VI - dug up the rotting corpse of his predecessor and put it on trial

There's plenty more examples of terrible popes that did awful things. Would you also defend them?

Please note I'm not equating the current Pope to any of the truly awful and evil people to held the Papacy in the past. But blind allegiance only strengthens terrible leaders.

American Hardwood said:

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Kvetch said:

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jrico2727 said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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Pookers said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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I will go on record and say that any Catholic who publicly denigrates the Vicar of Christ is guilty of sacrilege and needs to repent.

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This is hilarious.

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It almost ... almost sounds like a Democrat calling a Black person Uncle Tom and how they need to get back on the Democrat Plantation.

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To be a moral person we must be just, to be just we must give one another what they are due. The position of the Pope is due such justice not because of the man who sits on the chair of Peter, but because of Christ who established it. There are fair ways to criticize and even chastise the Pope that are not sinful. Calling him the Vicar of Satan doesn't fall into that category.

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Except many people do not believe that Christ established the Pope as he currently exists. There's multiple ways to interpret what that rock is. I would contend that it isn't the Catholic definition, as evidenced by all of the corrupt Popes that have led the flock astray.

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There have been a lot of damn good Popes too. You can't just ignore that.

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Yes there have been. The one in the 80's (JPii?) seemed like a great guy. But they are no better than you or me and no higher on any sort of hierarchy. I believe it is heresy to place man between man and God. Zero biblical basis for it…without making insane stretches or mental leaps.

American Hardwood said:

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Kvetch said:

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jrico2727 said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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Pookers said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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I will go on record and say that any Catholic who publicly denigrates the Vicar of Christ is guilty of sacrilege and needs to repent.

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This is hilarious.

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It almost ... almost sounds like a Democrat calling a Black person Uncle Tom and how they need to get back on the Democrat Plantation.

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To be a moral person we must be just, to be just we must give one another what they are due. The position of the Pope is due such justice not because of the man who sits on the chair of Peter, but because of Christ who established it. There are fair ways to criticize and even chastise the Pope that are not sinful. Calling him the Vicar of Satan doesn't fall into that category.

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Except many people do not believe that Christ established the Pope as he currently exists. There's multiple ways to interpret what that rock is. I would contend that it isn't the Catholic definition, as evidenced by all of the corrupt Popes that have led the flock astray.

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There have been a lot of damn good Popes too. You can't just ignore that.

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I'm not ignoring that. But the burden for infallibility in regard to church dogma is pretty high. It only takes one to sow doubt as to the veracity of that claim.

Honestly, you need to look no further than the Pope's views on Israel to know he is not to be trusted to keep the church in line.

That being said, I think there are plenty of good Christians in the Catholic Church. But as someone who is but a man and doesn't know the exact formula to end up in the right place after all is said and done, I'm not going to hitch my wagon to the Pope or his church.

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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This is why the Bible warned against placing men between the common man and God. You think the popes are always gonna be good?

This guy is just straight up evil. A devout leftist.

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No, I do not think the Pope's are always going to be good, history teaches us that is not the case. I do believe the Pope will always be safeguarded from espousing heresy and leading the Church off the rails into damnation.

You can see the spirit at work right now, as orthodoxy has come from places it is normally not seen; i.e Cardinal Gregory in Washington DC taking President Biden to task for his statement on when life begins.

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The Pope IS heresy. There is ZERO biblical basis for him. This does not mean Catholics aren't Christians or that they won't be saved. But I don't think a single Pope will be saved. The Bible holds those in positions of religious authority to a much higher standard.

Matthew something something:

Quote:

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And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

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This is all wrong, where did you hear this? This is why it is troublesome to be a Christian outside of the bounds of the magisterium. You have billions of people interpreting stuff however they want to, and is what causes numerous Protestant splinters.

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LOL...where did I hear this? The Bible. The only book that matters. I don't need closeted homosexuals (I'd guess about 60-70% of the men of the cloth) in robes to interpret scripture for me. I know people who have devoted their life to it. Who study the Greek and even the Aramaic and could run circles around any bishop or cardinal or whatever.

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Why is your interpretation correct, and not the one that has been passed down for 2000 years by the Episcopate?

The entire reason for apostolic succession and the mageeterium is so that teaching remains authentic.

People who truly engage and learn their faith become Catholic. The ones who don't, become Protestant. Some of the greatest doctors of our Church have been Protestant virtuosos who saw the light when cross examining their beliefs.

Kvetch said:

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jrico2727 said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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Pookers said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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I will go on record and say that any Catholic who publicly denigrates the Vicar of Christ is guilty of sacrilege and needs to repent.

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This is hilarious.

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It almost ... almost sounds like a Democrat calling a Black person Uncle Tom and how they need to get back on the Democrat Plantation.

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To be a moral person we must be just, to be just we must give one another what they are due. The position of the Pope is due such justice not because of the man who sits on the chair of Peter, but because of Christ who established it. There are fair ways to criticize and even chastise the Pope that are not sinful. Calling him the Vicar of Satan doesn't fall into that category.

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Except many people do not believe that Christ established the Pope as he currently exists. There's multiple ways to interpret what that rock is. I would contend that it isn't the Catholic definition, as evidenced by all of the corrupt Popes that have led the flock astray.

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Even if all you think the seat of Peter is just one of another Bishop he was still be due the same justice. I understand your feelings and it is easy for Satan to use papal misdeeds to lead the faithful outside of the Church. The flock is lead by Christ and he will never lead us astray. Some Popes have failed, to them he left the parable of the unjust stuart.

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RebelE Infantry said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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This is why the Bible warned against placing men between the common man and God. You think the popes are always gonna be good?

This guy is just straight up evil. A devout leftist.

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No, I do not think the Pope's are always going to be good, history teaches us that is not the case. I do believe the Pope will always be safeguarded from espousing heresy and leading the Church off the rails into damnation.

You can see the spirit at work right now, as orthodoxy has come from places it is normally not seen; i.e Cardinal Gregory in Washington DC taking President Biden to task for his statement on when life begins.

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The Pope IS heresy. There is ZERO biblical basis for him. This does not mean Catholics aren't Christians or that they won't be saved. But I don't think a single Pope will be saved. The Bible holds those in positions of religious authority to a much higher standard.

Matthew something something:

Quote:

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And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

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This is all wrong, where did you hear this? This is why it is troublesome to be a Christian outside of the bounds of the magisterium. You have billions of people interpreting stuff however they want to, and is what causes numerous Protestant splinters.

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LOL...where did I hear this? The Bible. The only book that matters. I don't need closeted homosexuals (I'd guess about 60-70% of the men of the cloth) in robes to interpret scripture for me. I know people who have devoted their life to it. Who study the Greek and even the Aramaic and could run circles around any bishop or cardinal or whatever.

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And who compiled that Bible, exactly?

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The early church, the Universal aka Catholic Church. That was NOTHING in shape or form like it is today. Do you know why it was called "Catholic"? I will always give props to the early/original organized church. Before the endless list of man made rules that are not supported at all by scripture. Like having a Pope, or men elevated between you and God spiritually that you must confess to.

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You know that church had popes and bishops correct?

Kvetch said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Kvetch said:

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jrico2727 said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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Pookers said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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I will go on record and say that any Catholic who publicly denigrates the Vicar of Christ is guilty of sacrilege and needs to repent.

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This is hilarious.

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It almost ... almost sounds like a Democrat calling a Black person Uncle Tom and how they need to get back on the Democrat Plantation.

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To be a moral person we must be just, to be just we must give one another what they are due. The position of the Pope is due such justice not because of the man who sits on the chair of Peter, but because of Christ who established it. There are fair ways to criticize and even chastise the Pope that are not sinful. Calling him the Vicar of Satan doesn't fall into that category.

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Except many people do not believe that Christ established the Pope as he currently exists. There's multiple ways to interpret what that rock is. I would contend that it isn't the Catholic definition, as evidenced by all of the corrupt Popes that have led the flock astray.

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There have been a lot of damn good Popes too. You can't just ignore that.

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I'm not ignoring that. But the burden for infallibility in regard to church dogma is pretty high. It only takes one to sow doubt as to the veracity of that claim.

Honestly, you need to look no further than the Pope's views on Israel to know he is not to be trusted to keep the church in line.

That being said, I think there are plenty of good Christians in the Catholic Church. But as someone who is but a man and doesn't know the exact formula to end up in the right place after all is said and done, I'm not going to hitch my wagon to the Pope or his church.

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What view is that? Curious.

Of course there is no guarantee about Israel -- they are sounding very left globalist currently, not quite like Australia, but since Netanyahu a bit different.

But what did the Pope say?

American Hardwood said:

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Kvetch said:

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jrico2727 said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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Pookers said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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I will go on record and say that any Catholic who publicly denigrates the Vicar of Christ is guilty of sacrilege and needs to repent.

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This is hilarious.

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It almost ... almost sounds like a Democrat calling a Black person Uncle Tom and how they need to get back on the Democrat Plantation.

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To be a moral person we must be just, to be just we must give one another what they are due. The position of the Pope is due such justice not because of the man who sits on the chair of Peter, but because of Christ who established it. There are fair ways to criticize and even chastise the Pope that are not sinful. Calling him the Vicar of Satan doesn't fall into that category.

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Except many people do not believe that Christ established the Pope as he currently exists. There's multiple ways to interpret what that rock is. I would contend that it isn't the Catholic definition, as evidenced by all of the corrupt Popes that have led the flock astray.

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There have been a lot of damn good Popes too. You can't just ignore that.

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There also damn good regular people who don't believe they are somehow closer to God than other Christians.

titan said:

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Kvetch said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Kvetch said:

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jrico2727 said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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Pookers said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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I will go on record and say that any Catholic who publicly denigrates the Vicar of Christ is guilty of sacrilege and needs to repent.

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This is hilarious.

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It almost ... almost sounds like a Democrat calling a Black person Uncle Tom and how they need to get back on the Democrat Plantation.

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To be a moral person we must be just, to be just we must give one another what they are due. The position of the Pope is due such justice not because of the man who sits on the chair of Peter, but because of Christ who established it. There are fair ways to criticize and even chastise the Pope that are not sinful. Calling him the Vicar of Satan doesn't fall into that category.

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Except many people do not believe that Christ established the Pope as he currently exists. There's multiple ways to interpret what that rock is. I would contend that it isn't the Catholic definition, as evidenced by all of the corrupt Popes that have led the flock astray.

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There have been a lot of damn good Popes too. You can't just ignore that.

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I'm not ignoring that. But the burden for infallibility in regard to church dogma is pretty high. It only takes one to sow doubt as to the veracity of that claim.

Honestly, you need to look no further than the Pope's views on Israel to know he is not to be trusted to keep the church in line.

That being said, I think there are plenty of good Christians in the Catholic Church. But as someone who is but a man and doesn't know the exact formula to end up in the right place after all is said and done, I'm not going to hitch my wagon to the Pope or his church.

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What view is that? Curious.

Of course there is no guarantee about Israel -- they are sounding very left globalist currently, not quite like Australia, but since Netanyahu a bit different.

But what did the Pope say?

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Well, for one he supports a two state solution.

SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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RebelE Infantry said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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This is why the Bible warned against placing men between the common man and God. You think the popes are always gonna be good?

This guy is just straight up evil. A devout leftist.

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No, I do not think the Pope's are always going to be good, history teaches us that is not the case. I do believe the Pope will always be safeguarded from espousing heresy and leading the Church off the rails into damnation.

You can see the spirit at work right now, as orthodoxy has come from places it is normally not seen; i.e Cardinal Gregory in Washington DC taking President Biden to task for his statement on when life begins.

---

The Pope IS heresy. There is ZERO biblical basis for him. This does not mean Catholics aren't Christians or that they won't be saved. But I don't think a single Pope will be saved. The Bible holds those in positions of religious authority to a much higher standard.

Matthew something something:

Quote:

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And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

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This is all wrong, where did you hear this? This is why it is troublesome to be a Christian outside of the bounds of the magisterium. You have billions of people interpreting stuff however they want to, and is what causes numerous Protestant splinters.

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LOL...where did I hear this? The Bible. The only book that matters. I don't need closeted homosexuals (I'd guess about 60-70% of the men of the cloth) in robes to interpret scripture for me. I know people who have devoted their life to it. Who study the Greek and even the Aramaic and could run circles around any bishop or cardinal or whatever.

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And who compiled that Bible, exactly?

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The early church, the Universal aka Catholic Church. That was NOTHING in shape or form like it is today. Do you know why it was called "Catholic"? I will always give props to the early/original organized church. Before the endless list of man made rules that are not supported at all by scripture. Like having a Pope, or men elevated between you and God spiritually that you must confess to.

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It is a very long running subject and debate on certain specifics, but just understand the same still united Church that organized and determined the Canon of the Bible is the one that endorse the ecumenical setup and Apostolic Succession. The Pope's position from Peter is not the disputed thing; what is disputed centers more on the question of declarations outside of council that arose after the papacy became the only remaining patriarchate in the West. The same entity put the Bible together. The universal Church had not broken in two at that part. (Depending on view, it still has not).

Its very important to understand that many items the Protestants discarded were believed by Luther and Calvin.

Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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This is why the Bible warned against placing men between the common man and God. You think the popes are always gonna be good?

This guy is just straight up evil. A devout leftist.

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No, I do not think the Pope's are always going to be good, history teaches us that is not the case. I do believe the Pope will always be safeguarded from espousing heresy and leading the Church off the rails into damnation.

You can see the spirit at work right now, as orthodoxy has come from places it is normally not seen; i.e Cardinal Gregory in Washington DC taking President Biden to task for his statement on when life begins.

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The Pope IS heresy. There is ZERO biblical basis for him. This does not mean Catholics aren't Christians or that they won't be saved. But I don't think a single Pope will be saved. The Bible holds those in positions of religious authority to a much higher standard.

Matthew something something:

Quote:

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And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

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This is all wrong, where did you hear this? This is why it is troublesome to be a Christian outside of the bounds of the magisterium. You have billions of people interpreting stuff however they want to, and is what causes numerous Protestant splinters.

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LOL...where did I hear this? The Bible. The only book that matters. I don't need closeted homosexuals (I'd guess about 60-70% of the men of the cloth) in robes to interpret scripture for me. I know people who have devoted their life to it. Who study the Greek and even the Aramaic and could run circles around any bishop or cardinal or whatever.

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Why is your interpretation correct, and not the one that has been passed down for 2000 years by the Episcopate?

The entire reason for apostolic succession and the mageeterium is so that teaching remains authentic.

People who truly engage and learn their faith become Catholic. The ones who don't, become Protestant. Some of the greatest doctors of our Church have been Protestant virtuosos who saw the light when cross examining their beliefs.

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This. Is. HILARIOUS.

Am I being trolled? We have had several guys in our Bible study who left the Catholic church after they started actually diving into scripture. I know that's anecdotal, but from my experience, Catholics generally have the least knowledge/understanding of the Bible of all the faiths.

Not a single Catholic on here can provide the biblical basis or support for a Pope. Because there is none.

A large % of what the Church has morphed into is entirely fabricated by man. Men that have been elevated by members of the church as intermediaries between them and God/Christ. That is dangerous imo.

Kvetch said:

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American Hardwood said:

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Kvetch said:

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jrico2727 said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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Pookers said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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I will go on record and say that any Catholic who publicly denigrates the Vicar of Christ is guilty of sacrilege and needs to repent.

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This is hilarious.

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It almost ... almost sounds like a Democrat calling a Black person Uncle Tom and how they need to get back on the Democrat Plantation.

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To be a moral person we must be just, to be just we must give one another what they are due. The position of the Pope is due such justice not because of the man who sits on the chair of Peter, but because of Christ who established it. There are fair ways to criticize and even chastise the Pope that are not sinful. Calling him the Vicar of Satan doesn't fall into that category.

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Except many people do not believe that Christ established the Pope as he currently exists. There's multiple ways to interpret what that rock is. I would contend that it isn't the Catholic definition, as evidenced by all of the corrupt Popes that have led the flock astray.

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There have been a lot of damn good Popes too. You can't just ignore that.

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I'm not ignoring that. But the burden for infallibility in regard to church dogma is pretty high. It only takes one to sow doubt as to the veracity of that claim.

Honestly, you need to look no further than the Pope's views on Israel to know he is not to be trusted to keep the church in line.

That being said, I think there are plenty of good Christians in the Catholic Church. But as someone who is but a man and doesn't know the exact formula to end up in the right place after all is said and done, I'm not going to hitch my wagon to the Pope or his church.

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The Catholic Church doesn't belong to the Pope. The Church is Christ's church. The pope is subservient to Him.

Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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SB 43rd STREET OG said:

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This is why the Bible warned against placing men between the common man and God. You think the popes are always gonna be good?

This guy is just straight up evil. A devout leftist.

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No, I do not think the Pope's are always going to be good, history teaches us that is not the case. I do believe the Pope will always be safeguarded from espousing heresy and leading the Church off the rails into damnation.

You can see the spirit at work right now, as orthodoxy has come from places it is normally not seen; i.e Cardinal Gregory in Washington DC taking President Biden to task for his statement on when life begins.

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The Pope IS heresy. There is ZERO biblical basis for him. This does not mean Catholics aren't Christians or that they won't be saved. But I don't think a single Pope will be saved. The Bible holds those in positions of religious authority to a much higher standard.

Matthew something something:

Quote:

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And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

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This is all wrong, where did you hear this? This is why it is troublesome to be a Christian outside of the bounds of the magisterium. You have billions of people interpreting stuff however they want to, and is what causes numerous Protestant splinters.

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LOL...where did I hear this? The Bible. The only book that matters. I don't need closeted homosexuals (I'd guess about 60-70% of the men of the cloth) in robes to interpret scripture for me. I know people who have devoted their life to it. Who study the Greek and even the Aramaic and could run circles around any bishop or cardinal or whatever.

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Why is your interpretation correct, and not the one that has been passed down for 2000 years by the Episcopate?

The entire reason for apostolic succession and the mageeterium is so that teaching remains authentic.

People who truly engage and learn their faith become Catholic. The ones who don't, become Protestant. Some of the greatest doctors of our Church have been Protestant virtuosos who saw the light when cross examining their beliefs.

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" People who truly engage and learn their faith become Catholic. The ones who don't, become Protestant."

Arrogant and incorrect.

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I will go on record and say that any Catholic who publicly denigrates the Vicar of Christ is guilty of sacrilege and needs to repent.

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This is hilarious.

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It almost ... almost sounds like a Democrat calling a Black person Uncle Tom and how they need to get back on the Democrat Plantation.

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To be a moral person we must be just, to be just we must give one another what they are due. The position of the Pope is due such justice not because of the man who sits on the chair of Peter, but because of Christ who established it. There are fair ways to criticize and even chastise the Pope that are not sinful. Calling him the Vicar of Satan doesn't fall into that category.

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Except many people do not believe that Christ established the Pope as he currently exists. There's multiple ways to interpret what that rock is. I would contend that it isn't the Catholic definition, as evidenced by all of the corrupt Popes that have led the flock astray.

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There have been a lot of damn good Popes too. You can't just ignore that.

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There also damn good regular people who don't believe they are somehow closer to God than other Christians.

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Office within the Church and personal holiness aren't necessarily related. Sometimes it correlates, but other times it doesn't.

Not only that but the ecunemenical councils were literally the bishops getting together and saying what christendom had to believe to be Christian.

So when Protestants say they don't need any bishops or popes telling them what to believe, all of Christendom is based on those people telling them what they had to believe

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This is why the Bible warned against placing men between the common man and God. You think the popes are always gonna be good?

This guy is just straight up evil. A devout leftist.

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No, I do not think the Pope's are always going to be good, history teaches us that is not the case. I do believe the Pope will always be safeguarded from espousing heresy and leading the Church off the rails into damnation.

You can see the spirit at work right now, as orthodoxy has come from places it is normally not seen; i.e Cardinal Gregory in Washington DC taking President Biden to task for his statement on when life begins.

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The Pope IS heresy. There is ZERO biblical basis for him. This does not mean Catholics aren't Christians or that they won't be saved. But I don't think a single Pope will be saved. The Bible holds those in positions of religious authority to a much higher standard.

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And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

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This is all wrong, where did you hear this? This is why it is troublesome to be a Christian outside of the bounds of the magisterium. You have billions of people interpreting stuff however they want to, and is what causes numerous Protestant splinters.

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LOL...where did I hear this? The Bible. The only book that matters. I don't need closeted homosexuals (I'd guess about 60-70% of the men of the cloth) in robes to interpret scripture for me. I know people who have devoted their life to it. Who study the Greek and even the Aramaic and could run circles around any bishop or cardinal or whatever.

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Why is your interpretation correct, and not the one that has been passed down for 2000 years by the Episcopate?

The entire reason for apostolic succession and the mageeterium is so that teaching remains authentic.

People who truly engage and learn their faith become Catholic. The ones who don't, become Protestant. Some of the greatest doctors of our Church have been Protestant virtuosos who saw the light when cross examining their beliefs.

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This. Is. HILARIOUS.

Am I being trolled? We have had several guys in our Bible study who left the Catholic church after they started actually diving into scripture. I know that's anecdotal, but from my experience, Catholics generally have the least knowledge/understanding of the Bible of all the faiths.

Not a single Catholic on here can provide the biblical basis or support for a Pope. Because there is none.

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This is certainly true of the one's who abandon the Church for heresy.

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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This is why the Bible warned against placing men between the common man and God. You think the popes are always gonna be good?

This guy is just straight up evil. A devout leftist.

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No, I do not think the Pope's are always going to be good, history teaches us that is not the case. I do believe the Pope will always be safeguarded from espousing heresy and leading the Church off the rails into damnation.

You can see the spirit at work right now, as orthodoxy has come from places it is normally not seen; i.e Cardinal Gregory in Washington DC taking President Biden to task for his statement on when life begins.

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The Pope IS heresy. There is ZERO biblical basis for him. This does not mean Catholics aren't Christians or that they won't be saved. But I don't think a single Pope will be saved. The Bible holds those in positions of religious authority to a much higher standard.

Matthew something something:

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And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

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This is all wrong, where did you hear this? This is why it is troublesome to be a Christian outside of the bounds of the magisterium. You have billions of people interpreting stuff however they want to, and is what causes numerous Protestant splinters.

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LOL...where did I hear this? The Bible. The only book that matters. I don't need closeted homosexuals (I'd guess about 60-70% of the men of the cloth) in robes to interpret scripture for me. I know people who have devoted their life to it. Who study the Greek and even the Aramaic and could run circles around any bishop or cardinal or whatever.

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Why is your interpretation correct, and not the one that has been passed down for 2000 years by the Episcopate?

The entire reason for apostolic succession and the mageeterium is so that teaching remains authentic.

People who truly engage and learn their faith become Catholic. The ones who don't, become Protestant. Some of the greatest doctors of our Church have been Protestant virtuosos who saw the light when cross examining their beliefs.

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" People who truly engage and learn their faith become Catholic. The ones who don't, become Protestant."

Arrogant and incorrect.

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Scott Hahn, Cardinal Newman, the ex Anglican bishop who left to be come Catholic like last week. The list goes on and on.

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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This is why the Bible warned against placing men between the common man and God. You think the popes are always gonna be good?

This guy is just straight up evil. A devout leftist.

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No, I do not think the Pope's are always going to be good, history teaches us that is not the case. I do believe the Pope will always be safeguarded from espousing heresy and leading the Church off the rails into damnation.

You can see the spirit at work right now, as orthodoxy has come from places it is normally not seen; i.e Cardinal Gregory in Washington DC taking President Biden to task for his statement on when life begins.

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The Pope IS heresy. There is ZERO biblical basis for him. This does not mean Catholics aren't Christians or that they won't be saved. But I don't think a single Pope will be saved. The Bible holds those in positions of religious authority to a much higher standard.

Matthew something something:

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And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

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This is all wrong, where did you hear this? This is why it is troublesome to be a Christian outside of the bounds of the magisterium. You have billions of people interpreting stuff however they want to, and is what causes numerous Protestant splinters.

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LOL...where did I hear this? The Bible. The only book that matters. I don't need closeted homosexuals (I'd guess about 60-70% of the men of the cloth) in robes to interpret scripture for me. I know people who have devoted their life to it. Who study the Greek and even the Aramaic and could run circles around any bishop or cardinal or whatever.

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Why is your interpretation correct, and not the one that has been passed down for 2000 years by the Episcopate?

The entire reason for apostolic succession and the mageeterium is so that teaching remains authentic.

People who truly engage and learn their faith become Catholic. The ones who don't, become Protestant. Some of the greatest doctors of our Church have been Protestant virtuosos who saw the light when cross examining their beliefs.

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" People who truly engage and learn their faith become Catholic. The ones who don't, become Protestant."

Arrogant and incorrect.

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I would say actually it is whenever they hear good doctrine and Biblical teaching. A Catholic school botching that is going to drive people away, just as a Methodist group going hard left will drive believes away.

Sound teachings seems the most crucial, and I have no doubt followers of it are saved however hear it.

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Not only that but the ecunemenical councils were literally the bishops getting together and saying what christendom had to believe to be Christian.

So when Protestants say they don't need any bishops or popes telling them what to believe, all of Christendom is based on those people telling them what they had to believe

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Where are these councils in the bible?

The early church,,,called "Catholic" meaning "Universal" definitely compiled much scripture. But comparing the earliest churches to the Catholic church of today is like comparing Frederick Douglass and Black Lives Matter. It's absurd.

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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This is why the Bible warned against placing men between the common man and God. You think the popes are always gonna be good?

This guy is just straight up evil. A devout leftist.

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No, I do not think the Pope's are always going to be good, history teaches us that is not the case. I do believe the Pope will always be safeguarded from espousing heresy and leading the Church off the rails into damnation.

You can see the spirit at work right now, as orthodoxy has come from places it is normally not seen; i.e Cardinal Gregory in Washington DC taking President Biden to task for his statement on when life begins.

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The Pope IS heresy. There is ZERO biblical basis for him. This does not mean Catholics aren't Christians or that they won't be saved. But I don't think a single Pope will be saved. The Bible holds those in positions of religious authority to a much higher standard.

Matthew something something:

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And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

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This is all wrong, where did you hear this? This is why it is troublesome to be a Christian outside of the bounds of the magisterium. You have billions of people interpreting stuff however they want to, and is what causes numerous Protestant splinters.

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LOL...where did I hear this? The Bible. The only book that matters. I don't need closeted homosexuals (I'd guess about 60-70% of the men of the cloth) in robes to interpret scripture for me. I know people who have devoted their life to it. Who study the Greek and even the Aramaic and could run circles around any bishop or cardinal or whatever.

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Why is your interpretation correct, and not the one that has been passed down for 2000 years by the Episcopate?

The entire reason for apostolic succession and the mageeterium is so that teaching remains authentic.

People who truly engage and learn their faith become Catholic. The ones who don't, become Protestant. Some of the greatest doctors of our Church have been Protestant virtuosos who saw the light when cross examining their beliefs.

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This. Is. HILARIOUS.

Am I being trolled? We have had several guys in our Bible study who left the Catholic church after they started actually diving into scripture. I know that's anecdotal, but from my experience, Catholics generally have the least knowledge/understanding of the Bible of all the faiths.

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There are a lot of lazy Catholics to be sure. But the principle belief, the pinnacle, is the understanding of the Eucharist which Protestants do not believe in. The Bible is full of references to the Eucharist darn near from start to finish. If by 'truly engaging' means accepting the scripture on the Eucharist, then I can see how that comment can be made.

But, I think the backhandedness of the comment towards Protestants is also a bit unfair. We share the same faith 95%, but all of this nastiness comes from that last 5% that is not shared. It really is a pity.

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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This is why the Bible warned against placing men between the common man and God. You think the popes are always gonna be good?

This guy is just straight up evil. A devout leftist.

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No, I do not think the Pope's are always going to be good, history teaches us that is not the case. I do believe the Pope will always be safeguarded from espousing heresy and leading the Church off the rails into damnation.

You can see the spirit at work right now, as orthodoxy has come from places it is normally not seen; i.e Cardinal Gregory in Washington DC taking President Biden to task for his statement on when life begins.

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The Pope IS heresy. There is ZERO biblical basis for him. This does not mean Catholics aren't Christians or that they won't be saved. But I don't think a single Pope will be saved. The Bible holds those in positions of religious authority to a much higher standard.

Matthew something something:

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And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

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This is all wrong, where did you hear this? This is why it is troublesome to be a Christian outside of the bounds of the magisterium. You have billions of people interpreting stuff however they want to, and is what causes numerous Protestant splinters.

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LOL...where did I hear this? The Bible. The only book that matters. I don't need closeted homosexuals (I'd guess about 60-70% of the men of the cloth) in robes to interpret scripture for me. I know people who have devoted their life to it. Who study the Greek and even the Aramaic and could run circles around any bishop or cardinal or whatever.

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Why is your interpretation correct, and not the one that has been passed down for 2000 years by the Episcopate?

The entire reason for apostolic succession and the mageeterium is so that teaching remains authentic.

People who truly engage and learn their faith become Catholic. The ones who don't, become Protestant. Some of the greatest doctors of our Church have been Protestant virtuosos who saw the light when cross examining their beliefs.

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This. Is. HILARIOUS.

Am I being trolled? We have had several guys in our Bible study who left the Catholic church after they started actually diving into scripture. I know that's anecdotal, but from my experience, Catholics generally have the least knowledge/understanding of the Bible of all the faiths.

Not a single Catholic on here can provide the biblical basis or support for a Pope. Because there is none.

A large % of what the Church has morphed into is entirely fabricated by man. Men that have been elevated by members of the church as intermediaries between them and God/Christ. That is dangerous imo.

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Why did the early church have Popes? There is massive Biblical support for the papacy and Primacy of Peter.

And yes, Catholics who don't know their faith become Protestants. Protestants who know their faith become Catholic

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Not only that but the ecunemenical councils were literally the bishops getting together and saying what christendom had to believe to be Christian.

So when Protestants say they don't need any bishops or popes telling them what to believe, all of Christendom is based on those people telling them what they had to believe

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Where are these councils in the bible?

The early church,,,called "Catholic" meaning "Universal" definitely compiled much scripture. But comparing the earliest churches to the Catholic church of today is like comparing Frederick Douglass and Black Lives Matter. It's absurd.

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The council of Jerusalem is in Acts, when theh have to appoint a successor to Judas.

Do you know who compiled the scripture? People called bishops and the pope

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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This is why the Bible warned against placing men between the common man and God. You think the popes are always gonna be good?

This guy is just straight up evil. A devout leftist.

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No, I do not think the Pope's are always going to be good, history teaches us that is not the case. I do believe the Pope will always be safeguarded from espousing heresy and leading the Church off the rails into damnation.

You can see the spirit at work right now, as orthodoxy has come from places it is normally not seen; i.e Cardinal Gregory in Washington DC taking President Biden to task for his statement on when life begins.

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The Pope IS heresy. There is ZERO biblical basis for him. This does not mean Catholics aren't Christians or that they won't be saved. But I don't think a single Pope will be saved. The Bible holds those in positions of religious authority to a much higher standard.

Matthew something something:

Quote:

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And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

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This is all wrong, where did you hear this? This is why it is troublesome to be a Christian outside of the bounds of the magisterium. You have billions of people interpreting stuff however they want to, and is what causes numerous Protestant splinters.

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LOL...where did I hear this? The Bible. The only book that matters. I don't need closeted homosexuals (I'd guess about 60-70% of the men of the cloth) in robes to interpret scripture for me. I know people who have devoted their life to it. Who study the Greek and even the Aramaic and could run circles around any bishop or cardinal or whatever.

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Why is your interpretation correct, and not the one that has been passed down for 2000 years by the Episcopate?

The entire reason for apostolic succession and the mageeterium is so that teaching remains authentic.

People who truly engage and learn their faith become Catholic. The ones who don't, become Protestant. Some of the greatest doctors of our Church have been Protestant virtuosos who saw the light when cross examining their beliefs.

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This. Is. HILARIOUS.

Am I being trolled? We have had several guys in our Bible study who left the Catholic church after they started actually diving into scripture. I know that's anecdotal, but from my experience, Catholics generally have the least knowledge/understanding of the Bible of all the faiths.

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There are a lot of lazy Catholics to be sure. But the principle belief, the pinnacle, is the understanding of the Eucharist which Protestants do not believe in. The Bible is full of references to the Eucharist darn near from start to finish. If by 'truly engaging' means accepting the scripture on the Eucharist, then I can see how that comment can be made.

But, I think the backhandedness of the comment towards Protestants is also a bit unfair. We share the same faith 95%, but all of this nastiness comes from that last 5% that is not shared. It really is a pity.

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What is the eucharist, and where is it in the bible? Can you at least give me some verses? We take communion, as the bible instructs and as the early churches and Jesus did.

Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Not only that but the ecunemenical councils were literally the bishops getting together and saying what christendom had to believe to be Christian.

So when Protestants say they don't need any bishops or popes telling them what to believe, all of Christendom is based on those people telling them what they had to believe

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Where are these councils in the bible?

The early church,,,called "Catholic" meaning "Universal" definitely compiled much scripture. But comparing the earliest churches to the Catholic church of today is like comparing Frederick Douglass and Black Lives Matter. It's absurd.

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The council of Jerusalem is in Acts, when theh have to appoint a successor to Judas.

Do you know who compiled the scripture? People called bishops and the pope

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Scripture please. Thanks.

Oh, I give credit to the early church, which was nothing like what it has morphed into, for compiling scripture for sure. Just like I give credit to the scribes who originally penned the scripture for certain apostles etc.

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Joe Boudain said:

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Not only that but the ecunemenical councils were literally the bishops getting together and saying what christendom had to believe to be Christian.

So when Protestants say they don't need any bishops or popes telling them what to believe, all of Christendom is based on those people telling them what they had to believe

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Where are these councils in the bible?

The early church,,,called "Catholic" meaning "Universal" definitely compiled much scripture. But comparing the earliest churches to the Catholic church of today is like comparing Frederick Douglass and Black Lives Matter. It's absurd.

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The council of Jerusalem is in the books of acts. It actually has the first Pope making a declaration.

Pope Francis acts way too much like a politician.

Getting back to the Pope, one of the main reasons the Catholic church formed as it did in the very beginning was to fight against heresy. This was a huge problem in the early days and something had to be done to formalize the beliefs of Christian.

Unfortunately, Pope Francis to me seems to veer awfully close to being heretical with same of his positions. Fortunately his opinions and statements don't constitute church doctrine.

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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Joe Boudain said:

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This is why the Bible warned against placing men between the common man and God. You think the popes are always gonna be good?

This guy is just straight up evil. A devout leftist.

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No, I do not think the Pope's are always going to be good, history teaches us that is not the case. I do believe the Pope will always be safeguarded from espousing heresy and leading the Church off the rails into damnation.

You can see the spirit at work right now, as orthodoxy has come from places it is normally not seen; i.e Cardinal Gregory in Washington DC taking President Biden to task for his statement on when life begins.

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The Pope IS heresy. There is ZERO biblical basis for him. This does not mean Catholics aren't Christians or that they won't be saved. But I don't think a single Pope will be saved. The Bible holds those in positions of religious authority to a much higher standard.

Matthew something something:

Quote:

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And call no man your father upon the earth: for one is your Father, which is in heaven.

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This is all wrong, where did you hear this? This is why it is troublesome to be a Christian outside of the bounds of the magisterium. You have billions of people interpreting stuff however they want to, and is what causes numerous Protestant splinters.

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LOL...where did I hear this? The Bible. The only book that matters. I don't need closeted homosexuals (I'd guess about 60-70% of the men of the cloth) in robes to interpret scripture for me. I know people who have devoted their life to it. Who study the Greek and even the Aramaic and could run circles around any bishop or cardinal or whatever.

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Why is your interpretation correct, and not the one that has been passed down for 2000 years by the Episcopate?

The entire reason for apostolic succession and the mageeterium is so that teaching remains authentic.

People who truly engage and learn their faith become Catholic. The ones who don't, become Protestant. Some of the greatest doctors of our Church have been Protestant virtuosos who saw the light when cross examining their beliefs.

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This. Is. HILARIOUS.

Am I being trolled? We have had several guys in our Bible study who left the Catholic church after they started actually diving into scripture. I know that's anecdotal, but from my experience, Catholics generally have the least knowledge/understanding of the Bible of all the faiths.

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There are a lot of lazy Catholics to be sure. But the principle belief, the pinnacle, is the understanding of the Eucharist which Protestants do not believe in. The Bible is full of references to the Eucharist darn near from start to finish. If by 'truly engaging' means accepting the scripture on the Eucharist, then I can see how that comment can be made.

But, I think the backhandedness of the comment towards Protestants is also a bit unfair. We share the same faith 95%, but all of this nastiness comes from that last 5% that is not shared. It really is a pity.

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What is the eucharist, and where is it in the bible? Can you at least give me some verses? We take communion, as the bible instructs and as the early churches and Jesus did.

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Do you believe in the Trinity? Where is that in the bible?