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I want to say he is shockingly ignorant for a President*, to possess such a vast misunderstanding of the 2nd Amendment, but I have to remember this speech is for his constituents, he's speaking to the idiots who don't know better and will believe every lie that comes out of his mouth.

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Biden doesn't know what he is saying. Those pulling his strings and putting words in his mouth could well be foreigners who have little knowledge and couldn't care less about US history, traditions, the Constitution, or US citizens. This can be seen in that every decision he makes helps our enemies and hurts our citizens.

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I do think technology has passed the original intent of the 2nd amendment by though.

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Miserable take... Which other rights of yours are you willing to lay on the altar of technology?

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Not laying any right down. I support the 2nd amendment. Just don't think an American Revolution would occur quite as easily in 2021 as in 1776

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What'd your president mean with that BS he's spewing? What's your take?

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I recognize he's the president of the United States. He's certainly not my guy though. I didn't vote for him and I don't agree with him on guns.

I do think technology has passed the original intent of the 2nd amendment by though. It would be difficult for the populace to truly defend themselves from a tyrannical US government in 2021 if they truly put their mind to hurting citizens and the military didn't pick sides. That's just my honest take. People might hold out for a while but you'd likely just see several dozen Branch Dovidian scenarios.

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Your immediate family and circle of friends did though..Cause trump was mean

Old Army Ghost said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Tom Doniphon said:

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What'd your president mean with that BS he's spewing? What's your take?

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I recognize he's the president of the United States. He's certainly not my guy though. I didn't vote for him and I don't agree with him on guns.

I do think technology has passed the original intent of the 2nd amendment by though. It would be difficult for the populace to truly defend themselves from a tyrannical US government in 2021 if they truly put their mind to hurting citizens and the military didn't pick sides. That's just my honest take. People might hold out for a while but you'd likely just see several dozen Branch Dovidian scenarios.

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taliban says hello

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Unless American citizens were willing to survive in caves for 10 years and stoop to Taliban tactics (suicide bombers every day), it is an apples to oranges comparison.

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why would they not against a tyranical government?

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You think Americans that have never shot a gun at a living person would have the immorality or resolve to use women or children as suicide bombs? Or that you'd even condone that? Never would happen here and I'm proud of that.

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Tom Doniphon said:

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What'd your president mean with that BS he's spewing? What's your take?

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I recognize he's the president of the United States. He's certainly not my guy though. I didn't vote for him and I don't agree with him on guns.

I do think technology has passed the original intent of the 2nd amendment by though. It would be difficult for the populace to truly defend themselves from a tyrannical US government in 2021 if they truly put their mind to hurting citizens and the military didn't pick sides. That's just my honest take. People might hold out for a while but you'd likely just see several dozen Branch Dovidian scenarios.

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Your immediate family and circle of friends did though..Cause trump was mean

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Am I my family? Are you yours?

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Also, if he's making the case I need to own Gatlin guns, anti-aircraft weapons, explosives and other heavy artillery


It's going to be a very easy sell. Take my money, let's do this!

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With the hyperinflation the Democrats are creating, no one will be able to afford to buy food, much less arms.

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I do think technology has passed the original intent of the 2nd amendment by though.

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The same could be said about the 1st amendment

Only allow free speech to be on printed paper with movable type and words spoken in public without being broadcast.

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Technology has passed the 1st amendment by and we are dealing with that right now. Social media itself is pretty evil and has created hundreds of problems the founders never could have considered.

The Bill of Rights is one of the greatest creations of the last 300 years. But technology has advanced more in the last 20 years than the previous 200. And we are having to deal with that as a citizenry. I'm an originalist but I'm not blind to the changes of the past 3 centuries.

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“You expressed a willingness to use bombers and potential even nuclear weapons against your own people. How many American citizens would you kill to retain your hold on power?”

— Kurt Schlichter (@KurtSchlichter) June 23, 2021

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Tom Doniphon said:

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What'd your president mean with that BS he's spewing? What's your take?

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I recognize he's the president of the United States. He's certainly not my guy though. I didn't vote for him and I don't agree with him on guns.

I do think technology has passed the original intent of the 2nd amendment by though. It would be difficult for the populace to truly defend themselves from a tyrannical US government in 2021 if they truly put their mind to hurting citizens and the military didn't pick sides. That's just my honest take. People might hold out for a while but you'd likely just see several dozen Branch Dovidian scenarios.

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taliban says hello

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Unless American citizens were willing to survive in caves for 10 years and stoop to Taliban tactics (suicide bombers every day), it is an apples to oranges comparison.

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why would they not against a tyranical government?

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You think Americans that have never shot a gun at a living person would have the immorality or resolve to use women or children as suicide bombs? Or that you'd even condone that? Never would happen here and I'm proud of that.

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For f***s sake dude there are Americans that torture animals on a regular basis, and worse than that (not even the same ballpark) torture other humans. This happens in real world America TODAY, and it happens while we punish it as the worst crimes that people can commit.

It blows me away that people like you ignore how evil so many people are. Take a walk through your neighborhood tomorrow. There is a very good chance that at least one of your neighbors would do horrific things if they thought they could get away with it, let alone it being condoned by an evil government.

Grow up. People are both good and evil. We hope most are good, but a shocking number are evil. Western civilization isn't that much different than the 1930s.

It's the people that think we're past evil that are the enablers of evil.

Thank God we'll have constitutional carry in September in Texas.

Old Army Ghost said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Tom Doniphon said:

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What'd your president mean with that BS he's spewing? What's your take?

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I recognize he's the president of the United States. He's certainly not my guy though. I didn't vote for him and I don't agree with him on guns.

I do think technology has passed the original intent of the 2nd amendment by though. It would be difficult for the populace to truly defend themselves from a tyrannical US government in 2021 if they truly put their mind to hurting citizens and the military didn't pick sides. That's just my honest take. People might hold out for a while but you'd likely just see several dozen Branch Dovidian scenarios.

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taliban says hello

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Unless American citizens were willing to survive in caves for 10 years and stoop to Taliban tactics (suicide bombers every day), it is an apples to oranges comparison.

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why would they not against a tyranical government?

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You think Americans that have never shot a gun at a living person would have the immorality or resolve to use women or children as suicide bombs? Or that you'd even condone that? Never would happen here and I'm proud of that.

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i think you are purposely refusing to acknowledge reality

biden claimed you needed f15s and nukes. you said americans couldnt fight a tyranical government yet refuse to see that america has fought a tyranical goverment before and a military with f15s and nukes couldnt defeat a enemy without f15s and nukes

you may be proud that you wouldnt fight a tyranical governemt and lets hope we never live under a tyranical goverment and have to find out

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The US government may not have "won" in Afghanistan by they killed hundreds of thousands of insurgents and wounded millions. And essentially occupied the country for 2 decades.

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Tom Doniphon said:

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What'd your president mean with that BS he's spewing? What's your take?

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I recognize he's the president of the United States. He's certainly not my guy though. I didn't vote for him and I don't agree with him on guns.

I do think technology has passed the original intent of the 2nd amendment by though. It would be difficult for the populace to truly defend themselves from a tyrannical US government in 2021 if they truly put their mind to hurting citizens and the military didn't pick sides. That's just my honest take. People might hold out for a while but you'd likely just see several dozen Branch Dovidian scenarios.

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taliban says hello

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Unless American citizens were willing to survive in caves for 10 years and stoop to Taliban tactics (suicide bombers every day), it is an apples to oranges comparison.

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why would they not against a tyranical government?

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You think Americans that have never shot a gun at a living person would have the immorality or resolve to use women or children as suicide bombs? Or that you'd even condone that? Never would happen here and I'm proud of that.

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For f***s sake dude there are Americans that torture animals on a regular basis, and worse than that (not even the same ballpark) torture other humans. This happens in real world America TODAY, and it happens while we punish it as the worst crimes that people can commit.

It blows me away that people like you ignore how evil so many people are. Take a walk through your neighborhood tomorrow. There is a very good chance that at least one of your neighbors would do horrific things if they thought they could get away with it, let alone it being condoned by an evil government.

Grow up. People are both good and evil. We hope most are good, but a shocking number are evil. Western civilization isn't that much different than the 1930s.

It's the people that think we're past evil that are the enablers of evil.

Thank God we'll have constitutional carry in September in Texas.

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Think you are a little confused by my example. I have no doubt there are many evil people out there. My comment was that I don't think and hope that Americans fighting a tyrannical government would use children as suicide bombs. At least I pray not.

So if not, it doesn't make much sense to compare US citizens to the Taliban zealots in terms of tactics.

And if we ever stooped to such tactics, that is not the side I'd be in for sure.

BoydCrowder13 said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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Tom Doniphon said:

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What'd your president mean with that BS he's spewing? What's your take?

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I recognize he's the president of the United States. He's certainly not my guy though. I didn't vote for him and I don't agree with him on guns.

I do think technology has passed the original intent of the 2nd amendment by though. It would be difficult for the populace to truly defend themselves from a tyrannical US government in 2021 if they truly put their mind to hurting citizens and the military didn't pick sides. That's just my honest take. People might hold out for a while but you'd likely just see several dozen Branch Dovidian scenarios.

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taliban says hello

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Unless American citizens were willing to survive in caves for 10 years and stoop to Taliban tactics (suicide bombers every day), it is an apples to oranges comparison.

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why would they not against a tyranical government?

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You think Americans that have never shot a gun at a living person would have the immorality or resolve to use women or children as suicide bombs? Or that you'd even condone that? Never would happen here and I'm proud of that.

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i think you are purposely refusing to acknowledge reality

biden claimed you needed f15s and nukes. you said americans couldnt fight a tyranical government yet refuse to see that america has fought a tyranical goverment before and a military with f15s and nukes couldnt defeat a enemy without f15s and nukes

you may be proud that you wouldnt fight a tyranical governemt and lets hope we never live under a tyranical goverment and have to find out

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The US government may not have "won" in Afghanistan by they killed hundreds of thousands of insurgents and wounded millions. And essentially occupied the country for 2 decades.

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And lived in fortified compounds and traveled in heavily armed motorcades with oceans between the insurgents and their families.

That is not the case here at home. I spent almost two years in Iraq. I would never let my wife and kids live there under that threat environment.

Old Army Ghost said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Tom Doniphon said:

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What'd your president mean with that BS he's spewing? What's your take?

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I recognize he's the president of the United States. He's certainly not my guy though. I didn't vote for him and I don't agree with him on guns.

I do think technology has passed the original intent of the 2nd amendment by though. It would be difficult for the populace to truly defend themselves from a tyrannical US government in 2021 if they truly put their mind to hurting citizens and the military didn't pick sides. That's just my honest take. People might hold out for a while but you'd likely just see several dozen Branch Dovidian scenarios.

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taliban says hello

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Unless American citizens were willing to survive in caves for 10 years and stoop to Taliban tactics (suicide bombers every day), it is an apples to oranges comparison.

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why would they not against a tyranical government?

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You think Americans that have never shot a gun at a living person would have the immorality or resolve to use women or children as suicide bombs? Or that you'd even condone that? Never would happen here and I'm proud of that.

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i think you are purposely refusing to acknowledge reality

biden claimed you needed f15s and nukes. you said americans couldnt fight a tyranical government yet refuse to see that america has fought a tyranical goverment before and a military with f15s and nukes couldnt defeat a enemy without f15s and nukes

you may be proud that you wouldnt fight a tyranical governemt and lets hope we never live under a tyranical goverment and have to find out

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The US government may not have "won" in Afghanistan by they killed hundreds of thousands of insurgents and wounded millions. And essentially occupied the country for 2 decades.

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yet the taliban will be back in power on september 12th and not because of any f15s or nukes the taliban had

you are the first person ive talked to that is against the first and second amendment. i thought you people only existed in far off lands like portland

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It's like your reading comprehension is at a 2nd grade level. Where did I say I'm against either? I support both. I'm just a cynic about them being able to survive in the modern world. Hope they do.

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The Rebel
BY HILAIRE BELLOC
There is a wall of which the stones
Are lies and bribes and dead men's bones.
And wrongfully this evil wall
Denies what all men made for all,
And shamelessly this wall surrounds
Our homesteads and our native grounds.

But I will gather and I will ride,
And I will summon a countryside,
And many a man shall hear my halloa
Who never had thought the horn to follow;
And many a man shall ride with me
Who never had thought on earth to see
High Justice in her armoury.

When we find them where they stand,
A mile of men on either hand,
I mean to charge from right away
And force the flanks of their array,
And press them inward from the plains,
And drive them clamouring down the lanes,
And gallop and harry and have them down,
And carry the gates and hold the town.
Then shall I rest me from my ride
With my great anger satisfied.

Only, before I eat and drink,
When I have killed them all, I think
That I will batter their carven names,
And slit the pictures in their frames,
And burn for scent their cedar door,
And melt the gold their women wore,
And hack their horses at the knees,
And hew to death their timber trees,
And plough their gardens deep and through
And all these things I mean to do
For fear perhaps my little son
Should break his hands, as I have done.

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And we will have them mother****er.

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waitwhat? said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Tom Doniphon said:

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What'd your president mean with that BS he's spewing? What's your take?

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I recognize he's the president of the United States. He's certainly not my guy though. I didn't vote for him and I don't agree with him on guns.

I do think technology has passed the original intent of the 2nd amendment by though. It would be difficult for the populace to truly defend themselves from a tyrannical US government in 2021 if they truly put their mind to hurting citizens and the military didn't pick sides. That's just my honest take. People might hold out for a while but you'd likely just see several dozen Branch Dovidian scenarios.

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taliban says hello

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Unless American citizens were willing to survive in caves for 10 years and stoop to Taliban tactics (suicide bombers every day), it is an apples to oranges comparison.

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why would they not against a tyranical government?

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You think Americans that have never shot a gun at a living person would have the immorality or resolve to use women or children as suicide bombs? Or that you'd even condone that? Never would happen here and I'm proud of that.

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For f***s sake dude there are Americans that torture animals on a regular basis, and worse than that (not even the same ballpark) torture other humans. This happens in real world America TODAY, and it happens while we punish it as the worst crimes that people can commit.

It blows me away that people like you ignore how evil so many people are. Take a walk through your neighborhood tomorrow. There is a very good chance that at least one of your neighbors would do horrific things if they thought they could get away with it, let alone it being condoned by an evil government.

Grow up. People are both good and evil. We hope most are good, but a shocking number are evil. Western civilization isn't that much different than the 1930s.

It's the people that think we're past evil that are the enablers of evil.

Thank God we'll have constitutional carry in September in Texas.

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Think you are a little confused by my example. I have no doubt there are many evil people out there. My comment was that I don't think and hope that Americans fighting a tyrannical government would use children as suicide bombs. At least I pray not.

So if not, it doesn't make much sense to compare US citizens to the Taliban zealots in terms of tactics.

And if we ever stopped to such tactics, that is not the side I'd be in for sure.

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I see. I did misunderstand what you said. But I also think you went to an extreme with what you were responding to, where he didn't mean Patriots would use children as shields, but that they might be willing to live in caves if need be to fight. And you created a false equivalency.

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And we will have them mother****er.

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You DAMN right we will. The first one who comes to take my guns, won't get them. The second or third one might, but I'd hate to be that first one. Bring it.

There has been a lot of talk about the purging of more conservative military leaders and personnel who are being replaced by "progressive" military leaders and personnel.

I would imagine that this country has some very talented military leaders who care about the country and have been forced out. Likewise, defunding the police has put some well trained patriotic police officers out of work.

The problem with purging the military and police means many well trained people who were purged are still around.

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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waitwhat? said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Tom Doniphon said:

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What'd your president mean with that BS he's spewing? What's your take?

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I recognize he's the president of the United States. He's certainly not my guy though. I didn't vote for him and I don't agree with him on guns.

I do think technology has passed the original intent of the 2nd amendment by though. It would be difficult for the populace to truly defend themselves from a tyrannical US government in 2021 if they truly put their mind to hurting citizens and the military didn't pick sides. That's just my honest take. People might hold out for a while but you'd likely just see several dozen Branch Dovidian scenarios.

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taliban says hello

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Unless American citizens were willing to survive in caves for 10 years and stoop to Taliban tactics (suicide bombers every day), it is an apples to oranges comparison.

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why would they not against a tyranical government?

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You think Americans that have never shot a gun at a living person would have the immorality or resolve to use women or children as suicide bombs? Or that you'd even condone that? Never would happen here and I'm proud of that.

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For f***s sake dude there are Americans that torture animals on a regular basis, and worse than that (not even the same ballpark) torture other humans. This happens in real world America TODAY, and it happens while we punish it as the worst crimes that people can commit.

It blows me away that people like you ignore how evil so many people are. Take a walk through your neighborhood tomorrow. There is a very good chance that at least one of your neighbors would do horrific things if they thought they could get away with it, let alone it being condoned by an evil government.

Grow up. People are both good and evil. We hope most are good, but a shocking number are evil. Western civilization isn't that much different than the 1930s.

It's the people that think we're past evil that are the enablers of evil.

Thank God we'll have constitutional carry in September in Texas.

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Think you are a little confused by my example. I have no doubt there are many evil people out there. My comment was that I don't think and hope that Americans fighting a tyrannical government would use children as suicide bombs. At least I pray not.

So if not, it doesn't make much sense to compare US citizens to the Taliban zealots in terms of tactics.

And if we ever stopped to such tactics, that is not the side I'd be in for sure.

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I see. I did misunderstand what you said. But I also think you went to an extreme with what you were responding to, where he didn't mean Patriots would use children as shields, but that they might be willing to live in caves if need be to fight. And you created an equivalency.

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The reason we couldn't win in Afghanistan is the same reason we couldn't win in Vietnam. We were fighting an enemy willing to do horrific things, evil things to their own people to outlast their enemy. Trained from decades of war and famine to survive horrible conditions and programmed by their leadership to sacrifice their lives and families to destroy the enemy.

Americans by and large are not like that. While we certainly have hardened and evil individuals among us, most are led by a morality that would balk at ever considering comparable tactics. Most have never experienced war or even hunger. Or even life without AC.

That's why I chuckle at the "if the Taliban could fight off the US government, we could too!" comments that pop up. It is such a false equivalency in terms of morality, culture, mindset and experience.

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BuddysBud said:

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There has been a lot of talk about the purging of more conservative military leaders and personnel who are being replaced by "progressive" military leaders and personnel.

I would imagine that this country has some very talented military leaders who care about the country and have been forced out. Likewise, defunding the police has put some well trained patriotic police officers out of work.

The problem with purging the military and police means many well trained people who were purged are still around.

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That is why Biden repeatedly states that those specific people are the greatest threat to American democracy. The same dudes that spent a career defending it.

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Biden, Harris, Pelosi, and Schumer are the greatest threats to the American republic.

That's a very good point.

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waitwhat? said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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waitwhat? said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Old Army Ghost said:

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BoydCrowder13 said:

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Tom Doniphon said:

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What'd your president mean with that BS he's spewing? What's your take?

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I recognize he's the president of the United States. He's certainly not my guy though. I didn't vote for him and I don't agree with him on guns.

I do think technology has passed the original intent of the 2nd amendment by though. It would be difficult for the populace to truly defend themselves from a tyrannical US government in 2021 if they truly put their mind to hurting citizens and the military didn't pick sides. That's just my honest take. People might hold out for a while but you'd likely just see several dozen Branch Dovidian scenarios.

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taliban says hello

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Unless American citizens were willing to survive in caves for 10 years and stoop to Taliban tactics (suicide bombers every day), it is an apples to oranges comparison.

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why would they not against a tyranical government?

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You think Americans that have never shot a gun at a living person would have the immorality or resolve to use women or children as suicide bombs? Or that you'd even condone that? Never would happen here and I'm proud of that.

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For f***s sake dude there are Americans that torture animals on a regular basis, and worse than that (not even the same ballpark) torture other humans. This happens in real world America TODAY, and it happens while we punish it as the worst crimes that people can commit.

It blows me away that people like you ignore how evil so many people are. Take a walk through your neighborhood tomorrow. There is a very good chance that at least one of your neighbors would do horrific things if they thought they could get away with it, let alone it being condoned by an evil government.

Grow up. People are both good and evil. We hope most are good, but a shocking number are evil. Western civilization isn't that much different than the 1930s.

It's the people that think we're past evil that are the enablers of evil.

Thank God we'll have constitutional carry in September in Texas.

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Think you are a little confused by my example. I have no doubt there are many evil people out there. My comment was that I don't think and hope that Americans fighting a tyrannical government would use children as suicide bombs. At least I pray not.

So if not, it doesn't make much sense to compare US citizens to the Taliban zealots in terms of tactics.

And if we ever stopped to such tactics, that is not the side I'd be in for sure.

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I see. I did misunderstand what you said. But I also think you went to an extreme with what you were responding to, where he didn't mean Patriots would use children as shields, but that they might be willing to live in caves if need be to fight. And you created an equivalency.

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The reason we couldn't win in Afghanistan is the same reason we couldn't win in Vietnam. We were fighting an enemy willing to do horrific things, evil things to their own people to outlast their enemy. Trained from decades of war and famine to survive horrible conditions and programmed by their leadership to sacrifice their lives and families to destroy the enemy.

Americans by and large are not like that. While we certainly have hardened and evil individuals among us, most are led by a morality that would balk at ever considering comparable tactics. Most have never experienced war or even hunger. Or even life without AC.

That's why I chuckle at the "if the Taliban could fight off the US government, we could too!" comments that pop up. It is such a false equivalency in terms of morality, culture, mindset and experience.

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You sound like the Japanese just before bombing Pearl Harbor.
Americans revolve seems to be underestimated over the last century. .