Roster4Ag said:

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All this thread has shown me is that the right will never win. Once the genie is out of the bottle we can't go back. We will degenerate into a society of bugmen.

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I'm hoping for evolving into post humans, or perhaps reaching the singularity, but I can't see how women being able to do with their body as they please, even if it is to monetize same virtually, will lead society to degenerating into bug men.

More likely the segment that finds that kind of freedom for others to do as the wish an anathema will have to get over it, present company excluded of course.

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bmks270 said:

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I suspect a lot of only fans girls would not give out nudes to a stranger who asked them in person in exchange for a couple of dollars. Why do they agree to do it across the Internet?

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Because that stranger is probably an axe murderer.

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But over the Internet he suddenly isn't?

It's hilarious that your name is a derivation of Faust and you think that this is a good thing.

Roster4Ag said:

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It's hilarious that your name is a derivation of Faust and you think that this is a good thing.

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What, you've never made a bad bargain before?

Focus on the wanton women, not my moniker. You can only be sternly disapproving of so many things at the same time.

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pootiessock said:

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Is this owned by twitter?

Got to be a sex trafficking hot spot.

It's the new backpage.

Will gov get involved?

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It's the porn equivalent of a pyramid scam. They dupe women into thinking they can make millions selling nudes and porn when in fact only a very small portion of them can do that and the rest basically ruin their lives for pennies.

It's also a psyop on the general population to continue the demoralization of the population. Since men are starved for attention due to the internet making us more isolated than ever, they will throw money at these women just for someone to pay attention to them for a bit of time.

This is Instagram on steroids.

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That's... Nothing like a pyramid scam.

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Those are just the talking points he picked up at church.

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He didn't hear this at church. This is his own cockamamie theory.

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hedge said:

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that being said i think social media, including only fans and easy access to hardcore pornography will do tremendous harm on the future youth of this country

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It already has. I think it's going to cause business and corporate productivity to decline as the workforce transitions from pre-Millenial to a post Millenials workforce. Communication and social skills are different. Zoomers are simultaneously more connected and more isolated than past generations. Simultaneously more sexualized but having less sex. People will have a harder time finding joy and happiness.

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We see it already. Declining birth rates for every country where porn is widespread. Habitual use keeps men from being men. They lose the drive to improve their lives and search out real relationships. Japan is the best example. The guys there don't even want to date girls. They've got their magazine and phone porn always fired up.

But I was told this stuff had no effect on the sexual market according to someone with two degrees.

Don't forget about the metoo thing making it more likely that men will get accused of rape as a result of buyer's remorse. And the fact that men have no say in whether the mother ends a pregnancy.

WestAustinAg said:

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bmks270 said:

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hedge said:

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that being said i think social media, including only fans and easy access to hardcore pornography will do tremendous harm on the future youth of this country

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It already has. I think it's going to cause business and corporate productivity to decline as the workforce transitions from pre-Millenial to a post Millenials workforce. Communication and social skills are different. Zoomers are simultaneously more connected and more isolated than past generations. Simultaneously more sexualized but having less sex. People will have a harder time finding joy and happiness.

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We see it already. Declining birth rates for every country where porn is widespread. Habitual use keeps men from being men. They lose the drive to improve their lives and search out real relationships. Japan is the best example. The guys there don't even want to date girls. They've got their magazine and phone porn always fired up.

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Declining birth rates due to widespread porn? Where do you guys come up with this crap?

Roster4Ag said:

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The pill is another big issue, and you'd be exactly right. However Tom only talks about sex Ed bc it's a sacred cow, and bc the pill is probably too obvious for something that is destructive.

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I'm not trying to start another discussion with you but I have a simple question. Are you suggesting that the birth control pill is bad?

I won't debate it, just trying to understand where you stand on that issue.

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You can only be sternly disapproving of so many things at the same time.

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The birth control pill is the single most important contributor to meaningless sex. Yes. It allows for all the sex without a commitment to what generally would be needed if the pill were absent. If you think about the pill from an economic perspective then it's an incredible instrument. If you think about the pill from a moral perspective then it's a horrific instrument.

Roster4Ag said:

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But I was told this stuff had no effect on the sexual market according to someone with two degrees.

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You are showing your (lack of) knowledge w/r/t Japan. You really think porn is the sole driver that is driving down the birthrate? really??

Maybe having 150mm people on a small island... [blah, blah, blah aging pop, blah, food source, blah blah, cultural / family norms. blah currency blah. blah blah stagnant economy because of lower-cost competition for 2.75 decades blah blah blah blah blah]...is the problem.

There have been millions of pages written on this and nobody has developed a consensus opinion. But you're right...it's just and only porn that's the issue.

Never said that. The main driver of a declining birthrate is women working. I'm not an idiot.

Roster4Ag said:

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The birth control pill is the single most important contributor to meaningless sex. Yes. It allows for all the sex without a commitment to what generally would be needed if the pill were absent. If you think about the pill from an economic perspective then it's an incredible instrument. If you think about the pill from a moral perspective then it's a horrific instrument.

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Thank you for the response.

We differ on this main point. I believe and know that men will engage in meaningless sex if presented an opportunity. This is not good for men, but it's even worse for women.

Are condoms equally as immoral as the pill?

Pragmatically no, but they probably are. People shouldn't be having sex outside of marriage or a steady relationship. I know that people will do it anyway, but when you make it easier it expands that base of people willing to do it. People aren't inherently moral.

Do do all these people ranting about the pill have like 15 kids?

I would hope, or at least that should be the goal.

Roster4Ag said:

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We differ on this main point. I believe and know that men will engage in meaningless sex if presented an opportunity. This is not good for men, but it's even worse for women.

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What is meaningless sex? Can people also have other meaningless interactions which have negative outcomes for both parties? (Say like debating posters on except of course TexAgs is a third party and likely a net gainer due to traffic increases)

If you're having sex with someone that you met on tinder an hour ago who you'll never meet again simply to fulfill an animalistic desire then it's meaningless sex. I agree with the second part.

Roster4Ag said:

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Pragmatically no, but they probably are. People shouldn't be having sex outside of marriage or a steady relationship. I know that people will do it anyway, but when you make it easier it expands that base of people willing to do it. People aren't inherently moral.

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So what's the word on sex toys? Through judicious use of a vibrator a woman could be both virginal and rapturous at the same time.

Surely that's ok? No video, birth control, or sex outside of marriage. Bride still a virgin, and degradation into bug men averted.

I'll defer to Ted Cruz on this one. Also I laughed at the end you mother****er.

Roster4Ag said:

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Never said that. The main driver of a declining birthrate is women working. I'm not an idiot.

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Women's economic freedom has unquestionably increased in the last generation or two.

What we are fundamentally discussing here is the evolving and incremental increase of men's sexual freedom that follows that.

This is how the grand gender bargain can be maintained. It keeps the balance of power stable within the family.

That's neither a proud or profound statement. It's just a fact.

Great discussing this with you. Thanks for staying involved and not 'driving by'.

Roster4Ag said:

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I believe and know that men will engage in meaningless sex if presented an opportunity.

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Bold statement there. Are you SURE? Maybe we should compare models...

OK, I just pulled mine up and it says, yes, your statement is correct 1,000,000,000 times out of 1,000,000,000 trials. Those figures are cumulative since last Wednesday.

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This is not good for men, but it's even worse for women.

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State your case regarding it being 'worse for women', in the context of consensual sex. You won't be able to.

men and women don't treat sex the same way. Women like to screw just like men, but unlike men women are worse off when sexual interactions involve a hit it and quit it

Roster4Ag said:

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men and women don't treat sex the same way. Women like to screw just like men, but unlike men women are worse off when sexual interactions involve a hit it and quit it

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If only there was a daily pharmaceutical intervention what could reduce effectively eliminate this unilateral downside risk. Would be great if it was packaged in an easy daily oral dose.

Serious question: are you for real or just an antagonist?

Yes I'm for real. This was a mainstream position not to long ago. Also I've already addressed BC. Satiating beastly men by allowing them cheap and easy sex doesn't solve the problem.

Also go to sleep.

Roster4Ag said:

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Yes I'm for real. This was a mainstream position not to long ago. Also I've already addressed BC. Satiating beastly men by allowing them cheap and easy sex doesn't solve the problem.

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Second serious question: are you a man or a woman?

I know where you're going with this and I'm not answering it.

Go to sleep.

Roster4Ag said:

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I know where you're going with this and I'm not answering it.

Go to sleep.

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No you don't. We have been debating man / woman issues for 4 pages. My gender is in my username. It's fair to know where you are coming from.

If you fail to reveal I will take that as your concession in this debate.

You mother****er, I can't resist.

Man.