backintexas2013 said:

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A miserable person just like a Chad

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Chads are those who dominate the social spectrum and have their absolute choice of any woman they see. Very very very few Chads are miserable and most have very healthy mental and emotional stability.

I have no idea what definition you are using but it's not remotely correct.

Boomers. Greatest generation could power the country with how fast their spinning in their graves.

AndesAg92 said:

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I Am A Critic said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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pootiessock said:

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Is this owned by twitter?

Got to be a sex trafficking hot spot.

It's the new backpage.

Will gov get involved?

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It's the porn equivalent of a pyramid scam. They dupe women into thinking they can make millions selling nudes and porn when in fact only a very small portion of them can do that and the rest basically ruin their lives for pennies.

It's also a psyop on the general population to continue the demoralization of the population. Since men are starved for attention due to the internet making us more isolated than ever, they will throw money at these women just for someone to pay attention to them for a bit of time.

This is Instagram on steroids.

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That's... Nothing like a pyramid scam.

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Those are just the talking points he picked up at church.

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>church

I wish churches talked about these things, but they don't, ever. The only ones who do are those like Pastor Steven Anderson or E. Michael Jones. Everyone else just pretends it's not happening.

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He just proved your point Critic.

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Imagine thinking I got this information from a church. I said they were the only ones speaking about the info, not that I got it from them.

Some **** I found online. It was a Reddit meme so maybe it was wrong. It also had Simps on the other side. I don't use those terms because they seem stupid so I had to look it up.

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Holy ***** Some of you guys scare me just as bad as the communist on the left. Both groups want to take away personal choice and freedoms....just in different ways. If some bimbo (over 18 of course) wants to sell pics of her ass online, that's her business.

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It isn't just her business because this helps to destroy marriage as an institution. Do you want kids raised by single mothers? Because promoting this is how you do it. We know from numerous studies that kids raised without fathers are less successful by every metric.

Social issues like these absolutely are our business because of their long term detrimental affects upon society.

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backintexas2013 said:

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A miserable person just like a Chad

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Chads are those who dominate the social spectrum and have their absolute choice of any woman they see. Very very very few Chads are miserable and most have very healthy mental and emotional stability.

I have no idea what definition you are using but it's not remotely correct.

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Chads can also be monogamous and happily married.

backintexas2013 said:

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Some **** I found online. It was a Reddit meme so maybe it was wrong. It also had Simps on the other side. I don't use those terms because they seem stupid so I had to look it up.

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Chad is a 4chan meme. If you are viewing something from Reddit then just lol, Reddit is a site for transsexuals, gays, and simps.

Increasing freedoms for lgbtq didn't backfire. Its not like we have all of society bending over for like 2% of the population

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backintexas2013 said:

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A miserable person just like a Chad

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Chads are those who dominate the social spectrum and have their absolute choice of any woman they see. Very very very few Chads are miserable and most have very healthy mental and emotional stability.

I have no idea what definition you are using but it's not remotely correct.

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Chads can also be monogamous and happily married.

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Indeed. I was not implying they slept around, only that they had their choice of women.

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Drifter. said:

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Holy ***** Some of you guys scare me just as bad as the communist on the left. Both groups want to take away personal choice and freedoms....just in different ways. If some bimbo (over 18 of course) wants to sell pics of her ass online, that's her business.

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It isn't just her business because this helps to destroy marriage as an institution. Do you want kids raised by single mothers? Because promoting this is how you do it. We know from numerous studies that kids raised without fathers are less successful by every metric.

Social issues like these absolutely are our business because of their long term detrimental affects upon society.

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This is where things like porn addiction and sexual promiscuity from tinder and only fans is probably worse than alcohol for society. Alcoholism can ruin families, yes, but alcoholism isn't causing the unwed birth rates to skyrocket, things like tinder and porn are.

We've been sliding down this slippery slope since playboy magazine.

I hear what you are saying, but it is a slippery slope. Where does it end? Legislating how many cheeseburgers people can have per week because of the stress that is put on the health care system each year due to obesity in American? What about jailing people for cheating on their wife? Cheating definitely leads to the breakdown of the institution of marriage.

Tommy Sowell writes in his book vision of the anointed that there's almost a direct causational link between the teaching of sex ed in schools in the mid 60's, and the explosion of std's and teenage pregnancies. Saying that sex is super cool and okay and that people can make their own decisions simply doesn't work.

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I hear what you are saying, but it is a slippery slope. Where does it end? Legislating how many cheeseburgers people can have per week because of the stress that is put on the health care system each year due to obesity in American? What about jailing people for cheating on their wife? Cheating definitely leads to the breakdown of the institution of marriage.

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I'd be okay with legislating health and adultery. Obesity is a massive systematic problem in our society that kills far more than anything else. Adultery without consequences has led to no fault divorce, which has further messed up marriage as an institution.

Both of these are objectively worse for society than even what this thread is about.

I agree. These foods are specifically designed to be cheap and addictive. Capitalism works, and that's what makes it scary when applying it everywhere.

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I hear what you are saying, but it is a slippery slope. Where does it end? Legislating how many cheeseburgers people can have per week because of the stress that is put on the health care system each year due to obesity in American? What about jailing people for cheating on their wife? Cheating definitely leads to the breakdown of the institution of marriage.

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Legislation isn't the answer.
Faith in god is.
And disciple and moral instruction for children.
Things the left hates and is eradicating.

I would generally agree, but we can't just reintroduce religion like we would a species of antelope in the wild. We need to work back to a point where people would be receptive to it.

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Drifter. said:

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I hear what you are saying, but it is a slippery slope. Where does it end? Legislating how many cheeseburgers people can have per week because of the stress that is put on the health care system each year due to obesity in American? What about jailing people for cheating on their wife? Cheating definitely leads to the breakdown of the institution of marriage.

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I'd be okay with legislating health and adultery. Obesity is a massive systematic problem in our society that kills far more than anything else. Adultery without consequences has led to no fault divorce, which has further messed up marriage as an institution.

Both of these are objectively worse for society than even what this thread is about.

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100% make America fit again. You can tell a lot about a country's values by their moral and physical fitness of their citizens.

On one side we have people wanting "The Great Reset" for the government to basically control every aspect of our life. On the other side, we have people basically calling for a Theocracy, so the government can control every aspect of our life. Not a good time for freedom loving Americans. Two sides of the same coin.

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On one side we have people wanting "The Great Reset" for the government to basically control every aspect of our life. On the other side, we have people basically calling for a Theocracy, so the government can control every aspect of our life. Not a good time for freedom loving Americans. Two sides of the same coin.

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Freedom seems really gay lately.

What you mean by freedom isn't what freedom is supposed to mean. There's no freedom in being a slave to your desires.

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What you mean by freedom isn't what freedom is supposed to mean. The freedom that you mean is a totally modern concept, a ****ing psyop used to destroy the West.

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So now we're supposed to live by your definition of morality and you're definition of freedom? Alrighty then.

I'm going to bow out of this thread. I stopped by F16 and stumbled into pro-Communism rally. I'll bow out and let you guys carry on convincing yourselves of your own superiority.

Consume the product.

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Okay so you're correct that the sexual market is real, but the availability of cheap sex distorts that market.

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Cheap sex isn't distorting the market, it is the fair price of the sex. Morality is what distorts the market, as you rightfully describe below.

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Men have a biological drive for sex, and we created a standard of morality to rage against that drive.

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Completely agree.

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Making the value of sex worthless does nothing but encourage this.

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The value of the sex is whatever it costs in the market, which is really quite a low number when you think about the act itself. This is borne out in numerous market analyses** and academic research, and by the data presented in this thread. Morality puts an enormous tax on the sex act itself, raising its overall price.

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the availability of cheap sex makes women worthless as well.

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On its face, this is probably the most misogynistic statement a person can make. I don't think you meant it this way, I think it just came out wrong. If your point is that cheap sex outside of a historically moral construct make it less likely that men will stay loyal to their wives (really I mean family), I would actually disagree with you.

Lets think about the costs to the family of a dude getting some 'strange' over recent history:

--Less than 200 years ago, Louis XIV changed the church so he could get divorced. He beheaded his wife! Pretty drastic moves for some side action.

--60 years ago, men would get divorces to be with their "home-wrecking" mistresses. I suppose this is an improvement over the guillotine.

--30 years ago, professional men would go to the strip club and spend who knows how much to fool around with a stripper. In this case the family does stay intact, an improvement, but just a little (or a lot) poorer.

--Nowdays, per the video above, only fans costs $4.99 a month and that comes without the VD from the stripper.

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Monogamy is not natural either, but it's conducive to the best result in the end.

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I view the 'best result' as "whatever keeps a family unit together for as long as possible, but at a minimum through the child rearing years". So if monogamy is not natural, wouldn't cheaper and cheaper "monogamy alternatives" actually increase the likelihood of attaining the best result? I think so.

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For the record I am a happily married father who is in a monogamous relationship (AFIK ) with my wife. I have a degree in Economics (2 actually) and sex work is a very interesting portion of the academic literature, for exactly the reasons I lay out above -- it's one of the "highest-tax" markets in the world from an academic perspective.

**Global prices are surveyed quarterly. The Economist was the first publications to start aggregating these figures.

I don't understand what you mean with #1. The "fair value" of sex is no sex outside of a monogamous relationship.

Also Henry not Louie.

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On one side we have people wanting "The Great Reset" for the government to basically control every aspect of our life. On the other side, we have people basically calling for a Theocracy, so the government can control every aspect of our life. Not a good time for freedom loving Americans. Two sides of the same coin.

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I would rather my kids be raised in a society that forces this:



Than this:



If the former requires authoritarian practices then so be it.

I Am A Critic said:

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ABATTBQ11 said:

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Is this owned by twitter?

Got to be a sex trafficking hot spot.

It's the new backpage.

Will gov get involved?

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It's the porn equivalent of a pyramid scam. They dupe women into thinking they can make millions selling nudes and porn when in fact only a very small portion of them can do that and the rest basically ruin their lives for pennies.

It's also a psyop on the general population to continue the demoralization of the population. Since men are starved for attention due to the internet making us more isolated than ever, they will throw money at these women just for someone to pay attention to them for a bit of time.

This is Instagram on steroids.

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That's... Nothing like a pyramid scam.

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Those are just the talking points he picked up at church.

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After reading this board for a long time, I'm convinced that many here don't know how pyramid scams and ponzi schemes actually work.

I don't understand what you're driving at. Morality has definitely deteriorated the way we view sex, and as a consequence how the sexes treat each other. Onlyfans encourages men to treat women like pieces of meat.

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I don't understand what you mean with #1. The "fair value" of sex is no sex outside of a monogamous relationship.

Also Henry not Louie.

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I am talking about the isolated value of the act itself, and only itself.

Replace "sex" with "haircut". One can get a haircut for as little as $20. I pay around $60. Some men pay $200. The point being there is a specific act being provided between consenting adults within a range of observable prices.

I can confidently say that there is no such thing as a $2,000 haircut. Nor is there a $2.00. Haircuts have a known, quantifiable value.

I defer to you on the appropriate king, Henry sounds right to me.

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I don't understand what you're driving at. Morality has definitely deteriorated the way we view sex, and as a consequence how the sexes treat each other. Onlyfans encourages men to treat women like pieces of meat.

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Tinder already made it all a meat market, Onlyfans has turned women into literal prostitutes in the eyes of many young men. Hell there are numerous examples of women using Tinder to advertise their Onlyfans now. Go on a date and then send him an Onlyfans link to try to fleece him of money. It's insane. This is not sustainable at all.

Roster4Ag said:

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I don't understand what you're driving at. Morality has definitely deteriorated the way we view sex, and as a consequence how the sexes treat each other. Onlyfans encourages men to treat women like pieces of meat.

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is the lady who cuts my hair a 'piece of meat'?

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I'll answer my own question. No, she isn't. she is a lovely woman who provides me with a specific and intimate personal service anytime I want it. Sex work is no different*, except for the P in V level of intimacy.

*there is an important caveat: IMO sex work is no different from hairstyling, with one very large exception, the middleman.

My lady used to work as a salaried employee, but moved to a chair-renting independent contractor many years ago. there is no middleman, that that is fine. we both like it that way. If there was a middleman (the salon), that would also be fine.

However, there is an insidious middleman in portions of the sex worker industry: the Pimp, now called the "trafficker" whatever the hell that means.

While prostitution should be legal, pimping should be a capital offense. I honestly believe they should be put to death.

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Roster4Ag said:

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I don't understand what you mean with #1. The "fair value" of sex is no sex outside of a monogamous relationship.

Also Henry not Louie.

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I am talking about the isolated value of the act itself, and only itself.

Replace "sex" with "haircut". One can get a haircut for as little as $20. I pay around $60. Some men pay $200. The point being there is a specific act being provided between consenting adults within a range of observable prices.

I can confidently say that there is no such thing as a $2,000 haircut. Nor is there a $2.00. Haircuts have a known, quantifiable value.

I defer to you on the appropriate king, Henry sounds right to me.

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Let me get my uncle with severe Parkinson's and some clippers and I'll show you a $2 haircut

He might suck at haircuts but he might be great at handjobs

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I don't understand what you're driving at. Morality has definitely deteriorated the way we view sex, and as a consequence how the sexes treat each other. Onlyfans encourages men to treat women like pieces of meat.

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Tinder already made it all a meat market, Onlyfans has turned women into literal prostitutes in the eyes of many young men. Hell there are numerous examples of women using Tinder to advertise their Onlyfans now. Go on a date and then send him an Onlyfans link to try to fleece him of money. It's insane. This is not sustainable at all.

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Women doing this must worship money.

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Okay so you're correct that the sexual market is real, but the availability of cheap sex distorts that market.

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Cheap sex isn't distorting the market, it is the fair price of the sex. Morality is what distorts the market, as you rightfully describe below.

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Men have a biological drive for sex, and we created a standard of morality to rage against that drive.

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Completely agree.

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Making the value of sex worthless does nothing but encourage this.

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The value of the sex is whatever it costs in the market, which is really quite a low number when you think about the act itself. This is borne out in numerous market analyses** and academic research, and by the data presented in this thread. Morality puts an enormous tax on the sex act itself, raising its overall price.

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the availability of cheap sex makes women worthless as well.

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On its face, this is probably the most misogynistic statement a person can make. I don't think you meant it this way, I think it just came out wrong. If your point is that cheap sex outside of a historically moral construct make it less likely that men will stay loyal to their wives (really I mean family), I would actually disagree with you.

Lets think about the costs to the family of a dude getting some 'strange' over recent history:

--Less than 200 years ago, Louis XIV changed the church so he could get divorced. He beheaded his wife! Pretty drastic moves for some side action.

--60 years ago, men would get divorces to be with their "home-wrecking" mistresses. I suppose this is an improvement over the guillotine.

--30 years ago, professional men would go to the strip club and spend who knows how much to fool around with a stripper. In this case the family does stay intact, an improvement, but just a little (or a lot) poorer.

--Nowdays, per the video above, only fans costs $4.99 a month and that comes without the VD from the stripper.

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Monogamy is not natural either, but it's conducive to the best result in the end.

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I view the 'best result' as "whatever keeps a family unit together for as long as possible, but at a minimum through the child rearing years". So if monogamy is not natural, wouldn't cheaper and cheaper "monogamy alternatives" actually increase the likelihood of attaining the best result? I think so.

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For the record I am a happily married father who is in a monogamous relationship (AFIK ) with my wife. I have a degree in Economics (2 actually) and sex work is a very interesting portion of the academic literature, for exactly the reasons I lay out above -- it's one of the "highest-tax" markets in the world from an academic perspective.

**Global prices are surveyed quarterly. The Economist was the first publications to start aggregating these figures.

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Cool story about your 2 degrees and being in academia bro. I am SO jealous lol

DannyDuberstein said:

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He might suck at haircuts but he might be great at handjobs

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I'll get him an onlyfans account then. Help defer some of that nursing home costs