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Okay so you're correct that the sexual market is real, but the availability of cheap sex distorts that market.

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Cheap sex isn't distorting the market, it is the fair price of the sex. Morality is what distorts the market, as you rightfully describe below.

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Men have a biological drive for sex, and we created a standard of morality to rage against that drive.

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Completely agree.

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Making the value of sex worthless does nothing but encourage this.

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The value of the sex is whatever it costs in the market, which is really quite a low number when you think about the act itself. This is borne out in numerous market analyses** and academic research, and by the data presented in this thread. Morality puts an enormous tax on the sex act itself, raising its overall price.

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the availability of cheap sex makes women worthless as well.

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On its face, this is probably the most misogynistic statement a person can make. I don't think you meant it this way, I think it just came out wrong. If your point is that cheap sex outside of a historically moral construct make it less likely that men will stay loyal to their wives (really I mean family), I would actually disagree with you.

Lets think about the costs to the family of a dude getting some 'strange' over recent history:

--Less than 200 years ago, Louis XIV changed the church so he could get divorced. He beheaded his wife! Pretty drastic moves for some side action.

--60 years ago, men would get divorces to be with their "home-wrecking" mistresses. I suppose this is an improvement over the guillotine.

--30 years ago, professional men would go to the strip club and spend who knows how much to fool around with a stripper. In this case the family does stay intact, an improvement, but just a little (or a lot) poorer.

--Nowdays, per the video above, only fans costs $4.99 a month and that comes without the VD from the stripper.

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Monogamy is not natural either, but it's conducive to the best result in the end.

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I view the 'best result' as "whatever keeps a family unit together for as long as possible, but at a minimum through the child rearing years". So if monogamy is not natural, wouldn't cheaper and cheaper "monogamy alternatives" actually increase the likelihood of attaining the best result? I think so.

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For the record I am a happily married father who is in a monogamous relationship (AFIK ) with my wife. I have a degree in Economics (2 actually) and sex work is a very interesting portion of the academic literature, for exactly the reasons I lay out above -- it's one of the "highest-tax" markets in the world from an academic perspective.

**Global prices are surveyed quarterly. The Economist was the first publications to start aggregating these figures.

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Cool story about your 2 degrees and being in academia bro. I am SO jealous lol

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I'm not in academia bro. The only reason I mentioned it is because of the morally charged nature of the topic.

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I don't understand what you're driving at. Morality has definitely deteriorated the way we view sex, and as a consequence how the sexes treat each other. Onlyfans encourages men to treat women like pieces of meat.

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Tinder already made it all a meat market, Onlyfans has turned women into literal prostitutes in the eyes of many young men. Hell there are numerous examples of women using Tinder to advertise their Onlyfans now. Go on a date and then send him an Onlyfans link to try to fleece him of money. It's insane. This is not sustainable at all.

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Women doing this must worship money.

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Validation and materialism above everything.

I wonder how many losers on texags have a sub at only fans? Better content than this site I'm guessing.

Yeah and my point is that you can't treat sex like a good to be bought and sold in a literal sense without disasterous consequences.

And for the record I also have a degree in economics, and am working on getting a second one. You managed to say a whole lot without providing any substance. The economic system doesn't create the morality, the economic system is derived from the morality.

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My lady used to work as a salaried employee, but moved to a chair-renting independent contractor many years ago.

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lol wtf ?! We found the weirdo white knight.

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Roster4Ag said:

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I don't understand what you're driving at. Morality has definitely deteriorated the way we view sex, and as a consequence how the sexes treat each other. Onlyfans encourages men to treat women like pieces of meat.

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is the lady who cuts my hair a 'piece of meat'?

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I'll answer my own question. No, she isn't. she is a lovely woman who provides me with a specific and intimate personal service anytime I want it. Sex work is no different*, except for the P in V level of intimacy.

*there is an important caveat: IMO sex work is no different from hairstyling, with one very large exception, the middleman.

My lady used to work as a salaried employee, but moved to a chair-renting independent contractor many years ago. there is no middleman, that that is fine. we both like it that way. If there was a middleman (the salon), that would also be fine.

However, there is an insidious middleman in portions of the sex worker industry: the Pimp, now called the "trafficker" whatever the hell that means.

While prostitution should be legal, pimping should be a capital offense. I honestly believe they should be put to death.

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Ok I just looked over this and this is an insane contention. Yes haha mutual exchange between two consenting adults. Inculcating a culture of rampant sex does not create strong and stable families. And yes I'm aware of the prostitute literature, and it means nothing to me because we shouldn't glorify sex for money because it means that hookers will be treated better. I understand what you're trying to say because I used to think in a similar way, but as I said previously, the morality drives the economics, not the other way around. Allowing young girls to sell their nudes leads to a bunch of ****ed up young men and women, not some beautiful economic result.

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My lady used to work as a salaried employee, but moved to a chair-renting independent contractor many years ago.

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lol wtf ?! We found the weirdo white knight.

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I think we're all on the same page with Mr. double degree

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Yeah and my point is that you can't treat sex like a good to be bought and sold in a literal sense without disasterous consequences.

And for the record I also have a degree in economics, and am working on getting a second one. You managed to say a whole lot without providing any substance. The economic system doesn't create the morality, the economic system is derived from the morality.

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On this I completely agree. We choose capitalism, others choose other systems.

On this matter, the world's oldest profession, I'll give you a hint: the chosen economic system is irrelevant. The goods are going to trade, and it will happen at a price. Nothing will ever, ever change that. If you agree (and I believe you do), then the question is how does that reality impact our country and families. I was offering my opinion in that lengthy reply.

That's not my point though, my point is that there a societal effects to providing a mainstream outlet for millions of young women to create amateur porn for money. That doesn't mean that there won't ever be prostitution, it means that women are literally being paid to be pieces of meat and that has an effect on not only the men who pay for it but also on them.

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I don't understand what you're driving at. Morality has definitely deteriorated the way we view sex, and as a consequence how the sexes treat each other. Onlyfans encourages men to treat women like pieces of meat.

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is the lady who cuts my hair a 'piece of meat'?

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I'll answer my own question. No, she isn't. she is a lovely woman who provides me with a specific and intimate personal service anytime I want it. Sex work is no different*, except for the P in V level of intimacy.

*there is an important caveat: IMO sex work is no different from hairstyling, with one very large exception, the middleman.

My lady used to work as a salaried employee, but moved to a chair-renting independent contractor many years ago. there is no middleman, that that is fine. we both like it that way. If there was a middleman (the salon), that would also be fine.

However, there is an insidious middleman in portions of the sex worker industry: the Pimp, now called the "trafficker" whatever the hell that means.

While prostitution should be legal, pimping should be a capital offense. I honestly believe they should be put to death.

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Hairstylist and prostitute are exactly the same?

This generation is absolutely lost.

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Give me a break. what generation are you?

I want an answer, and then I can leave you alone. Do you think that allowing young women to create amateur porn for money on a mainstream outlet is a positive societal development that won't have long terms effects. Furthermore, would you be okay with your teenage daughter creating an onlyfans.

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Is this owned by twitter?

Got to be a sex trafficking hot spot.

It's the new backpage.

Will gov get involved?

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It's the porn equivalent of a pyramid scam. They dupe women into thinking they can make millions selling nudes and porn when in fact only a very small portion of them can do that and the rest basically ruin their lives for pennies.

It's also a psyop on the general population to continue the demoralization of the population. Since men are starved for attention due to the internet making us more isolated than ever, they will throw money at these women just for someone to pay attention to them for a bit of time.

This is Instagram on steroids.

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Yikes, the second paragraph seemed kind of oddly specific.

What about using coeds to lure athletes?

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Yeah and my point is that you can't treat sex like a good to be bought and sold in a literal sense without disasterous consequences.

And for the record I also have a degree in economics, and am working on getting a second one. You managed to say a whole lot without providing any substance. The economic system doesn't create the morality, the economic system is derived from the morality.

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On this I completely agree. We choose capitalism, others choose other systems.

On this matter, the world's oldest profession, I'll give you a hint: the chosen economic system is irrelevant. The goods are going to trade, and it will happen at a price. Nothing will ever, ever change that. If you agree (and I believe you do), then the question is how does that reality impact our country and families. I was offering my opinion in that lengthy reply.

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The goods will trade less in a more Bible based moral society. It can't be legislated. It has to be instilled in children and youth, and reinforced by society. Modern leftist controlled education however is teaching that sex with anyone has no consequences and is reinforcing sexual promiscuity.

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I want an answer, and then I can leave you alone. Do you think that allowing young women to create amateur porn for money on a mainstream outlet is a positive societal development that won't have long terms effects. Furthermore, would you be okay with your teenage daughter creating an onlyfans.

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He doesn't care. Paying to get your rocks off is the same as paying for gum at CVS or Jose to mulch your flower beds in his opinion.

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That's not my point though, my point is that there a societal effects to providing a mainstream outlet for millions of young women to create amateur porn for money. That doesn't mean that there won't ever be prostitution, it means that women are literally being paid to be pieces of meat and that has an effect on not only the men who pay for it but also on them.

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I am not a user of the product, but I have to assume that only fans has an age minimum, otherwise lots of people would be in jail right now. Given that, isn't this a free choice by an adult? We're not talking about 14y/o girls here. There is no physical pimp taking all the money and physically and mentally abusing the women.

Props to the earlier poster who talked about the pyramid scheme - good point by him. But that was different point. This remains a legal free choice by an adult, and in my America we want more of that, not less.

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That's not my point though, my point is that there a societal effects to providing a mainstream outlet for millions of young women to create amateur porn for money. That doesn't mean that there won't ever be prostitution, it means that women are literally being paid to be pieces of meat and that has an effect on not only the men who pay for it but also on them.

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I am not a user of the product, but I have to assume that only fans has an age minimum, otherwise lots of people would be in jail right now. Given that, isn't this a free choice by an adult? We're not talking about 14y/o girls here. There is no physical pimp taking all the money and physically and mentally abusing the women.

Props to the earlier poster who talked about the pyramid scheme - good point by him. But that was different point. This remains a legal free choice by an adult, and in my America we want more of that, not less.

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There's an age limit but it's hard to prove that you're 18 nowadays when all they require is that you click a button and set an age, but that's a different topic. My point is that sometimes it isn't great to just be okay with "consenting adults making mutual exchanges." Men get their rocks off to sex, and providing cheap sex and encouraging sex outside of a relationship is going to turn men into beasts and women into pieces of meat.

It's boggling my mind because you tried to flex your degree but you talk like sex is just no big deal. Sex is a huge deal, because the consequences can be so disastrous.

Also you never answered me. Does encouraging millions of young women to create amateur porn for money have a societal effect or does it not. Maybe I can put it in a way that you can understand. Do you think that there will be societal effects if we encouraged millions of women to become prostitutes.

less than 2 weeks ago f16 was voting for a guy who raw dogged a porn star shortly after his 3rd wife gave birth to his 5th kid and now we're banning onlyfans. life comes at you fast.

I don't approve of Trump's personal life, if I wanted to vote for someone because of their morality I wouldn't have a candidate to vote for.

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less than 2 weeks ago f16 was voting for a guy who raw dogged a porn star shortly after his 3rd wife gave birth to his 5th kid and now we're banning onlyfans. life comes at you fast.

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Raw doggin

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less than 2 weeks ago f16 was voting for a guy who raw dogged a porn star shortly after his 3rd wife gave birth to his 5th kid and now we're banning onlyfans. life comes at you fast.

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I'll vote for a person who may be a hypocrite for failing to meet his parties moral standard rather than the person whose party has no moral standard at all.

All this thread has shown me is that the right will never win. Once the genie is out of the bottle we can't go back. We will degenerate into a society of bugmen.

I wish I had more beer...

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I want an answer, and then I can leave you alone. Do you think that allowing young women to create amateur porn for money on a mainstream outlet is a positive societal development that won't have long terms effects. TBD, SEE BELOW Furthermore, would you be okay with your teenage daughter creating an onlyfans. HARD NO, I think this would be obvious

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Define "society"...

Only fans is bad for me. My teenage daughter (yes, I have one) is not who society should worry about. Maybe she, or one of her friends, makes a bad choice and dabbles. In that case, there would be a course correction applied, because my wife and I have time, resources, willingness and ability to execute said course correction. Kids raised like mine are low risk. Not zero risk, but low risk. Nonetheless, only fans is incremental downside in my case and for those like me.

Only fans may be good for many people. As we seem to agree, sex work has been around forever and is not going anywhere. Nobody gets into sex work at age 50. They start young, sometimes under age 18, and are doing it in the REAL WORLD. Yes, some are lucky and spin around a pole at high end clubs, others turn tricks in bus stations. The reason is this is their best option to support themselves. It's the oldest profession for a reason.

Somewhere in that Scores --> Greyhound Station spectrum is a young woman who is teetering on the edge of sex work. Perhaps this platform allows her to earn money she needs without a pimp, without being physically co-located with her John, without the other sex workers or pimps or johns who can give her a taste of narcotics. It puts up a shield from the downside of the industry. If it is a viable earning path, she is unquestionably better off with only fans; it reduces her downside.

There you go.

That's a reasonable take, I am just much more fearful because it's not just onlyfans, it's onlyfans and tinder and instagram and a host of other things. They prey on soft young minds and teach them that it's ok to act in a particular way. I also agree with you, sometimes it is ok to defend the indefensible, but the quicker we degenerate the less I think it's worth it to do so.

This was quite the OP hit and run, impressive.

Onlyfats is a great idea

I ddg'ed Europe aoc and got this. Please tell me this is not true...

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There's an age limit but it's hard to prove that you're 18 nowadays when all they require is that you click a button and set an age, but that's a different topic. My point is that sometimes it isn't great to just be okay with "consenting adults making mutual exchanges." Men get their rocks off to sex, and providing cheap sex and encouraging sex outside of a relationship is going to turn men into beasts and women into pieces of meat.

It's boggling my mind because you tried to flex your degree but you talk like sex is just no big deal. Sex is a huge deal, because the consequences can be so disastrous.

Also you never answered me. Does encouraging millions of young women to create amateur porn for money have a societal effect or does it not. Maybe I can put it in a way that you can understand. Do you think that there will be societal effects if we encouraged millions of women to become prostitutes.

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Relax, you have to understand it takes time for me to type out my rational and highly persuasive responses. See response above.

I wasn't trying to flex my degree(s). I love discussion, I simply wanted to establish it was from reading, not practice, on this charged matter (as I mentioned in an earlier post).

They're consenting adults that can make their own decisions...right.