Conservative Ag said:

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aginlakeway said:

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texaglurkerguy said:

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aginlakeway said:

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So you think all the emails and info on laptop are fake? Was it Hunter's laptop?

Was Biden paid by these companies?

What Biden policy are you the most excited to see implemented?

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Nope, just that they don't conclusively implicate Joe. At least for now.

Inconclusive. The timing of the story (to maximize damage to Biden's campaign before election), the people pushing it (i.e. Trump's allies), the media's refusal to cover it (even among conservative media), and my own internal biases suggest to me it's a political hit piece meant to rile up the base and sway undecideds.

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Kind of like Trump stories that have been revealed in the last few weeks?

So what Biden policies are you most excited about seeing implemented?

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He keeps saying that the media isn't covering it. They are covering it. It's all over Fox. You're actually arguing that CNN the others avoiding it somehow cuts in favor of it not being true? Are you ****ing serious?

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Them not covering it is more proof its true. If all the evidence is fake and/or Russian disinformation, that would be a huge story in and of itself

Thanks for the links concerning the shenanigans taking place @ Penn.

Maybe Biden needs to just announce he will be teaching a graduate school series of courses on money laundering.

DallasAg 94 said:

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It is right there...

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The complaint, filed by the National Legal and Policy Center, says that over the past three years, the university has accepted around $22 million in anonymous funding from Chinese sources. That's out of a total of more than $70 million from Chinese donors during that time, the NLPC said.

Those significant funds, including the anonymous amounts, rolled in after the Biden Center was announced in early 2017 and launched in February 2018. The center is located in downtown Washington, D.C.

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https://justthenews.com/accountability/watchdogs/watchdog-group-claims-university-biden-center-have-received-millions


https://defenduspac.us/2020/05/29/biden-china-connection/

These are NOT new filings... May 2020.

From July 2019:
https://fusion.inquirer.com/news/joe-biden-penn-salary-lectures-20190712.html

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The former vice president collected $371,159 in 2017 plus $540,484 in 2018 and early 2019 for a vaguely defined role that involved no regular classes and around a dozen public appearances on campus, mostly in big, ticketed events.

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It isn't illegal to get paid appearance and speaking fees.

But, when you attach your name to something... Chinese donors anonymously start pouring money into it, and you are linked to selling your influence and money laundering as VP... there is WAY more smoke than being reported, right now.

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$70 Million dollars from Chinese donors to the Biden Center. Could it be any more obvious?

It's located in DC, but it's under the University of Pennsylvania?

The Bribery Center is a more fitting name.

You can't even make this **** up, Biden center home page:

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texaglurkerguy said:

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bmks270 said:

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Now China is shady and bribes are normal so I could see a situation where some Chinese businessman help them get the money for a 10% kick back.

The question remains if the big guy isn't Joe, what is motivating Tony Bobulinski to lie about it? Give a press conference and go to the FBI and Senate?

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Politicians trot out character witnesses all the time to lie and sway public opinions. Democrats did it with Blasey-Ford during the Kavanaugh hearings. Not hard to imagine that Republicans, desperately needing to bolster the credibility of this story to help Trump's campaign, could have gotten in touch with Tony to arrange something.

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Comparing Bobulinski who has mountains of hard evidence to Blasey-Ford who couldn't even remember what year her story occurred

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When I give job references, I usually list obscure people from high school rather than recent business partners.

Haven't seen it, anywhere, not would I post it... But just putting it out there.

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Haven't seen it, anywhere, not would I post it... But just putting it out there.

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They're releasing sex tapes of him and 14 yo girls? That can't be right. Or are there other videos of him with women of consenting age?

Links are all over Twitter, but I'm afraid to click on any of the links.

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They're releasing sex tapes of him and 14 yo girls? That can't be right. Or are there other videos of him with women of consenting age?

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They are posting screenshots of him with the crack pipe and lots of skin. Not sure what body parts I'm looking at.

The Biden family version of 3D chess is to only have sex videos with children so that people can't post proof without breaking the law

texaglurkerguy said:

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Conservative Ag said:

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texaglurkerguy said:

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Congratulations on your many years of service! Think we'll get another special investigation into this like the Mueller one?

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I'm trying to explain to you why your "conclusion" is absurd. Do you believe the information raises logical questions?

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Does the evidence currently released to the public raise questions? Certainly. Does it prove his involvement? No. As a litigation attorney I'm sure you can appreciate the difference.

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Well, the Senate is digging.

Catherine Herridge doing great work as she has always done.

texaglurkerguy said:

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Conservative Ag said:

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aginlakeway said:

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aggiehawg said:

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"The big guy" is still Biden.

But within that precise context with Sinohawk, "the chairman" is supposedly China, according to Fox, is how I read that.

But both could be true that at times Hunter referred to his Dad as "chairman."

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From the same article:

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However, according to separate emails obtained by Fox News, Bobulinski states there are no other members besides Hunter Biden, Jim Biden, Rob Walker, James Gillar and Anthony Bobulinski, regarding the shareholding structure, and records for all stages of company negotiations show no role for Joe Biden.

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Even Fox refuses to touch this one.

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So is that every email that was sent out? Again, I tend to believe in-person statements over ANY media reporting. Don't you?

FYI ... your candidate is trouble. And it's not because of this.

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If your question here boils down to do I trust the aggregate of media doubting Joe's involvement or Bobulinksi, then undoubtedly the former. I don't even believe the people pushing this story (Giuliani, Bannon, etc.) think it's true, because it doesn't need to be to achieve its intended effect.

We'll see, signs suggest just the opposite!

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You trust the media over a fact witness that turned over documents to federal authorities, spoke to the FBI, and subjected himself to a slander suit by issuing his public statements on the matter?

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I do. Until any major publication or outlet independently verifies or outright confirms Joe's involvement (and as we've established, even right-leaning Fox and WSJ refuse to do so), this story is filed away under "wishful Trump supporter speculation" as far as I'm concerned. I understand that I won't convince many in this thread of that, since nothing is more compelling than what people want to be true. And that's exactly what the folks pushing this story are banking on. Fortunately, I think most of the American electorate is smart enough to see through this.

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Interesting take--although avoids the logic that the MSM including Fox is corrupted and won't report the straight up news and therefore cannot actually be trusted.

The whole Q anon approach is to encourage digging and empower individuals to become journalists. Individuals will never have the primary source information, but can get fairly close on many issues.

Bobulinksi's allegation that JB was involved in HB's business in 2017 after Joe left office would not have been a crime or even a scandal if he's even telling the truth and not looking for help to pay off a recent $650K judgment.

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The ventureset up in 2017 after Mr. Biden left the vice presidency and before his presidential campaignnever received proposed funds from the Chinese company or completed any deals, according to people familiar with the matter. Corporate records reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show no role for Joe Biden.

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https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/hunter-bidens-ex-business-partner-alleges-father-knew-about-venture-11603421247

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Bobulinksi's allegation that JB was involved in HB's business in 2017 after Joe left office would not have been a crime or even a scandal if he's even telling the truth and not looking for help to pay off a recent $650K judgment.

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The ventureset up in 2017 after Mr. Biden left the vice presidency and before his presidential campaignnever received proposed funds from the Chinese company or completed any deals, according to people familiar with the matter. Corporate records reviewed by The Wall Street Journal show no role for Joe Biden.

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https://www.wsj.com/amp/articles/hunter-bidens-ex-business-partner-alleges-father-knew-about-venture-11603421247

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Only eight minutes until this post got dunked on

When the first NY Post story came out and everyone was rushing to point out that the emails were in 2017 after Biden had left office, I opined at that time that these types of JVs take a long time to negotiate and paper over. Considering this was with a foreign entity with foreign government ties, there are a lot of hoops to jump through before getting to the final stages and the funding actually flowing.

So the criminal enterprise here actually began in 2015, while Biden was VP. And these are obvert acts in furtherance of that conspiracy. It doesn't matter when the payoffs were actually paid vis-a-vis Biden is still in office or not.

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When the first NY Post story came out and everyone was rushing to point out that the emails were in 2017 after Biden had left office, I opined at that time that these types of JVs take a long time to negotiate and paper over. Considering this was with a foreign entity with foreign government ties, there are a lot of hoops to jump through before getting to the final stages and the funding actually flowing.

So the criminal enterprise here actually began in 2015, while Biden was VP. And these are obvert acts in furtherance of that conspiracy. It doesn't matter when the payoffs were actually paid vis-a-vis Biden is still in office or not.

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This reminds me of the OJ trial. We have a mountain of evidence, but the LA Police are racist and trying to frame him.

If the glove don't fit, you have to acquit.

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DallasAg 94 said:

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It is right there...

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The complaint, filed by the National Legal and Policy Center, says that over the past three years, the university has accepted around $22 million in anonymous funding from Chinese sources. That's out of a total of more than $70 million from Chinese donors during that time, the NLPC said.

Those significant funds, including the anonymous amounts, rolled in after the Biden Center was announced in early 2017 and launched in February 2018. The center is located in downtown Washington, D.C.

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https://justthenews.com/accountability/watchdogs/watchdog-group-claims-university-biden-center-have-received-millions


https://defenduspac.us/2020/05/29/biden-china-connection/

These are NOT new filings... May 2020.

From July 2019:
https://fusion.inquirer.com/news/joe-biden-penn-salary-lectures-20190712.html

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The former vice president collected $371,159 in 2017 plus $540,484 in 2018 and early 2019 for a vaguely defined role that involved no regular classes and around a dozen public appearances on campus, mostly in big, ticketed events.

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It isn't illegal to get paid appearance and speaking fees.

But, when you attach your name to something... Chinese donors anonymously start pouring money into it, and you are linked to selling your influence and money laundering as VP... there is WAY more smoke than being reported, right now.

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$70 Million dollars from Chinese donors to the Biden Center. Could it be any more obvious?

It's located in DC, but it's under the University of Pennsylvania?

The Bribery Center is a more fitting name.

You can't even make this **** up, Biden center home page:

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Didn't A&M just announce a new GW Bush center in DC?

Where did that money come from?

Brock lays it all on the table. aggiehawg almost immediately:

Fightin_Aggie said:

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bmks270 said:

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DallasAg 94 said:

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It is right there...

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The complaint, filed by the National Legal and Policy Center, says that over the past three years, the university has accepted around $22 million in anonymous funding from Chinese sources. That's out of a total of more than $70 million from Chinese donors during that time, the NLPC said.

Those significant funds, including the anonymous amounts, rolled in after the Biden Center was announced in early 2017 and launched in February 2018. The center is located in downtown Washington, D.C.

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https://justthenews.com/accountability/watchdogs/watchdog-group-claims-university-biden-center-have-received-millions


https://defenduspac.us/2020/05/29/biden-china-connection/

These are NOT new filings... May 2020.

From July 2019:
https://fusion.inquirer.com/news/joe-biden-penn-salary-lectures-20190712.html

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The former vice president collected $371,159 in 2017 plus $540,484 in 2018 and early 2019 for a vaguely defined role that involved no regular classes and around a dozen public appearances on campus, mostly in big, ticketed events.

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It isn't illegal to get paid appearance and speaking fees.

But, when you attach your name to something... Chinese donors anonymously start pouring money into it, and you are linked to selling your influence and money laundering as VP... there is WAY more smoke than being reported, right now.

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$70 Million dollars from Chinese donors to the Biden Center. Could it be any more obvious?

It's located in DC, but it's under the University of Pennsylvania?

The Bribery Center is a more fitting name.

You can't even make this **** up, Biden center home page:

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Didn't A&M just announce a new GW Bush center in DC?

Where did that money come from?

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America?

Still just vague innuendo, nothing even to implicate JB in what would be a legal business arrangement that never materialized. Any evidence any improper government policy accommodations were made pre-2017 that would have aided this venture?

Giuliani supposedly has years of emails and messages and probably has been combing them for a year. This is the best they got? You drop it 9 days before an election because you know there's no actual crimes, just tabloid fodder.

This Bobulinski guy seems rock solid

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Later in 2019, a third judgement was ordered against Bobulinski for court costs in the Cayman Islands for $562,170.94. In the federal lawsuit filed in California, the company is seeking a judgement from U.S. authorities to force him to pay the judgements made in the Cayman Islands.

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What was your previous username? Guessing you were a dossier believer who is now changing usernames to hide your identity.

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Still just vague innuendo, nothing even to implicate JB in what would be a legal business arrangement that never materialized. Any evidence any improper government policy accommodations were made pre-2017 that would have aided this venture?

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Doesn't matter. Foreign Corrupt Practices Act. Selling influence and access all of the time Joe was a public servant is what matters. If the people paying for that access got hosed in the end is irrelevant.

Yes this other FCPA crime you imagine might have occurred would be criminal. But Bobulinski neither made or documented any such claim.

The timing and weakness of the rollout alone is a tell that magaworld is getting played by Bannon and Giuliani, again.

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Hey buddy? Investigations usually START with communications. The case isn't required to be proven based on emails.

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Assuming this rando out of left field is telling the truth he hasn't even alleged any crime. I do find it amusing that the CEO of "Sinohawk" would get worked up by "doing business with communist China".

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Be honest here. If those emails were between China and one of Trump's children, would you still say no big deal?

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You mean like if Trump was getting $2 million/ year directly from the Chinese government? Would I think it's a big deal? It would be a potential conflict of interest but not necessarily criminal.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/danalexander/2020/10/23/forbes-estimates-china-paid-trump-at-least-54-million-since-he-took-office-via-mysterious-trump-tower-lease/

Brock Strongballs said:

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Yes this other FCPA crime you imagine might have occurred would be criminal. But Bobulinski neither made or documented any such claim.

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What was your previous username?

So you won't answer your previous username. Not shocked.

backintexas2013 said:

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So you won't answer your previous username. Not shocked.

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Does the drive by shooter stick around to see if they did any damage? No. They speed off to whatever rock they crawled out from.

aggiehawg said:

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Brock Strongballs said:

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Yes this other FCPA crime you imagine might have occurred would be criminal. But Bobulinski neither made or documented any such claim.

The timing and weakness of the rollout alone is a tell that magaworld is getting played by Bannon and Giuliani, again.

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Be honest here. If those emails were between China and one of Trump's children, would you still say no big deal?

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Just a feeling, but I don't think he will bring himself to "honestly" respond to your query. He may be thinking about it...I hear fuses frying.

Conservative Ag said:

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Brock Strongballs said:

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Yes this other FCPA crime you imagine might have occurred would be criminal. But Bobulinski neither made or documented any such claim.

The timing and weakness of the rollout alone is a tell that magaworld is getting played by Bannon and Giuliani, again.

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Hey buddy? Investigations usually START with communications. The case isn't required to be proven based on emails. The woman you're talking to and I are both lawyers. We MIGHT know more than you.

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You're correct. If we're looking for a smoking gun, then I haven't seen anything to cement a guilty plea.

But Holy Cow, there's smoke coming from every crevice in the building, and is yearning for an investigation, which will easily take two years.

I have no problem with him bringing up adversarial information, as we (us Trumpikins, as we're called) have been pretty celebratory and acting like the emails along make this a done deal. Yes, I'd be completely shocked if an investigation is completed, and both Bidens, Archer, and probably 5 to 10 other DC hilltoppers aren't indicted by RICO.

Just keep in mind, in a 1 1/2 weeks, this won't be so big of a deal, assuming Trump wins.