wowThe_Fox said:It will. I t is just a matter of how much anarchy occurs before it does.Infection_Ag11 said:The_Fox said:Bingo. You have now correctly identified the issue. The pendulum needs to be swung back allowing officers to use the necessary force to handle most situations without have the entire shift begging some dude to comply.Infection_Ag11 said:The_Fox said:You are not going to send more than a couple of officers for a traffic arrest. They do not have the man power. The solution is when someone resists at all, to hit them with overwhelming force immediately. No more gerbil voodoo. Ask them. Tell them. Make them.Infection_Ag11 said:The_Fox said:The correct answer is when people are crying that the police murdered Lil Wayne, check out the video and if you see Lil Wayne run or fight with the police click stop, and tell those crying to just STFU.Infection_Ag11 said:Ag with kids said:The Sgt that showed up WAS the "more help".Infection_Ag11 said:
Shooter needs to get the needle, but in hindsight the officers would have been better served holding back and waiting for more help. He clearly wasn't going anywhere, and even if they hadn't been shot all of that wasn't worth it over such a petty offense.
It was, at first appearance, a simple stop. How much backup do you think they should wait on before they get 1 guy out of a car?
And are you saying that if people break the law and then vehemently protest then if it's not a big offense the police should just ignore it?
I'm not saying they should ignore it at all.
If you see Lil Wayne crawling down the hallway, unarmed, and get executed by an officer with an AR, continue watching until the end and protest if you are so inclined.
This is not complicated.
I have no sympathy for the shooter here, or anyone who picks a fight with a uniformed officer. My concern here is for the safety of the police and how they could have avoided what ultimately happened here.
The two of them alone getting that guy out of the car right then over an illegal left turn and driving with expired tags just wasn't worth it. It's extremely hard for two people to safely restrain a full grown man who is determined to not go along with it.
But the force at their disposal in the age of universal body cams and the current legal climate is not overwhelming. They can't pistol whip him in the face, take out his knees with a baton, etc. without facing prison time themselves. Tasers are functionally unreliable and often fail to subdue large or intoxicated individuals. Pepper spray isn't going to stop a determined offender.
The only overwhelming force that is reliable and legal is overwhelming manpower.
If that means serious ass whoopings and not wearing body cams, so be it.
I'd be fine with that, but I don't think it's likely that pendulum will swing back.
Police beating criminal asses should not even be on a law abiding citizen's radar. We need to stop worrying about how the sausage is made and just let the police do their jobs in peace.
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