Major explosion in Beirut

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In reply to Cromagnum • 5:06p, 8/4/20
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Cromagnum said:
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lunchbox said:
That building coming unglued in the 7-9 second frames!


Whomever filmed that **** had to have gotten hurt pretty damn bad.
The Hubs watched that a few times. Counting the few seconds between visual explosion and the concussion reaching him, his internal organs were turned to mostly mush and nearly all of his bones shattered as well. Blew concrete buildings apart, human bones can't take that amount of force.
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5:08p, 8/4/20
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Note to self: following a large explosion, don't stand around with my phone gawking at said explosion instead of getting the HELL outta the area.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 5:09p, 8/4/20
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That's not quite true. The human body and buildings react very differently to over pressure.
https://www.cdc.gov/niosh/docket/archive/pdfs/NIOSH-125/125-ExplosionsandRefugeChambers.pdf
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In reply to P.H. Dexippus • 5:12p, 8/4/20
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20 psi 502 mph Heavily built concrete buildings are severely damaged or demolished Fatalities approach 100%
I would say a boom but seems inappropriate.
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In reply to SirLurksALot • 5:16p, 8/4/20
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Hiroshima and Nagasaki it is not, and not even close.
It will be interesting to see what the rating of the explosion is.
Won't even rate 1 kiloton.

Probably around 250 tons of TNT equivalent would be my guess.
Yep. That explosion seems relatively small compared to the Tianjin explosion from a few years ago.

Even massive explosions are hard to see in portrait mode.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 5:20p, 8/4/20
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GAC06 said:
Looks like I may be wrong too now that I see 2700 tons of ammonium nitrate. Texas City was 2200
SS Grandcamp had 7,700 tons of ammonium nitrate aboard when she exploded which is equivalent to 3.2 kilotons of TNT, assuming all 7,700 tons detonated.

So, that would make this one, assuming it was 2750 tons, it all detonated, and if I do the math correctly, 1.155 kilotons of equivalent TNT yield.

Guess my earlier estimate was way off, but that was based on the few, early videos.
West explosion in 2013 was ~270 tons
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5:24p, 8/4/20
Halifax explosion of 1917 was about 2900 tons of explosives, or 4500 tons of NH4NO3 equivalent if the math above is correct.
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In reply to rebag00 • 5:29p, 8/4/20
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As a kid in the 80's and a child of a Marine, Beirut was shorthand for Godforsaken bombed-out ****hole. I had read it had slowly made a return to civilized stature but suffers from massive corruption and indifference.
Yeah that's what we know from the media. Truth is more like it's the Reno of the mideast (Dubai is Vegas.) Beaches, freedom, and they sell booze, unlike most of their neighbors.
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In reply to lunchbox • 5:34p, 8/4/20
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lunchbox said:


Why on earth would anybody suspect such an attack in Beirut, Lebanon? It was certainly my first thought....
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In reply to B-1 83 • 5:34p, 8/4/20
There was an early unconfirmed report that someone may have snuck a bomb of some kind into the area to set off the big explosion. Didn't see it get any traction.
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In reply to 94chem • 5:36p, 8/4/20
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94chem said:
SirLurksALot said:
Rapier108 said:
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Hiroshima and Nagasaki it is not, and not even close.
It will be interesting to see what the rating of the explosion is.
Won't even rate 1 kiloton.

Probably around 250 tons of TNT equivalent would be my guess.
Yep. That explosion seems relatively small compared to the Tianjin explosion from a few years ago.

Even massive explosions are hard to see in portrait mode.
And the signatures of that explosion are way different from what happened in Beirut today, from what I see.
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5:42p, 8/4/20
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Pepcon, in Nevada in 1988. Rocket propellant.



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In reply to aggiehawg • 5:44p, 8/4/20
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what exactly are you seeing

because I'm not following
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5:46p, 8/4/20


I hope there is something concrete backing this up.
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In reply to SirLurksALot • 5:50p, 8/4/20
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buuuuuuuull****
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In reply to cone • 5:53p, 8/4/20
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cone said:
what exactly are you seeing

because I'm not following
Not enough compressive pressure to extract water droplets from the atmosphere (the white cloud that immediately forms), the vortex of the illuminated "smoke" plume is shaped differently, not a funnel like today, the fire was before explosion was far, far larger and raging, for starters.

Not the same type of explosion, IMO.
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In reply to aggiehawg • 5:57p, 8/4/20
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let me assure that every plant explosion looks a little different

but I'm just the kind of guy that watches CSB videos for fun
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In reply to lunchbox • 6:00p, 8/4/20
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might be a little late but a deluge system probably wouldn't have been a bad idea
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In reply to SirLurksALot • 6:01p, 8/4/20
SirLurksALot said:


I hope there is something concrete backing this up.
Early intelligence might have suspected it was a bomb. Trump would have clearly been briefed on this.

It may come out later that it wasn't a bomb, but the Democrats, and of course our res libs, will have another fit of REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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In reply to cone • 6:02p, 8/4/20
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might be a little late but a deluge system probably wouldn't have been a bad idea
Adding water to an ammonium nitrate fire is the worst thing you can do.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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In reply to SirLurksALot • 6:05p, 8/4/20
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I hope there is something concrete backing this up.
After looking at this all day long, I'd wager there is.

Iran has had stuff blowing the hell up in different locations for awhile now, eventhough not many people were paying attention for long.

I do think that if it were an attack, something went horribly wrong however. Something was onsite that was not anticipated nor detected. Which kind of leads me to a local or nearby state actor. If Israel, they massively screwed up but I don't think it was Israel.

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In reply to Rapier108 • 6:05p, 8/4/20
Rapier108 said:
SirLurksALot said:


I hope there is something concrete backing this up.
Early intelligence might have suspected it was a bomb. Trump would have clearly been briefed on this.

It may come out later that it wasn't a bomb, but the Democrats, and of course our res libs, will have another fit of REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE.


I mean it's pretty irresponsible for a President to make that statement unless there is something backing it up. It's just going to give rise to conspiracy theories in an especially volatile part of the world if it's not accurate.
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6:06p, 8/4/20





That's one well built silo.
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In reply to Reginald Cousins • 6:06p, 8/4/20
Reginald Cousins said:
According to DOD, ammonium nitrate's explosive power is 42% that of TNT.

ANFO (Ammonium Nitrate & Fuel Oil) is 70% or higher.
"If you will not fight for right when you can easily win without blood shed; if you will not fight when your victory is sure and not too costly; you may come to the moment when you will have to fight with all the odds against you and only a precarious chance of survival. There may even be a worse case. You may have to fight when there is no hope of victory, because it is better to perish than to live as slaves." - Sir Winston Churchill
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In reply to cone • 6:08p, 8/4/20
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cone said:
let me assure that every plant explosion looks a little different

but I'm just the kind of guy that watches CSB videos for fun
Good for you. The Hubs has been onsite before, during and after explosions. He's body-bagged people.

Have you?
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In reply to Robert C. Christian • 6:14p, 8/4/20
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Robert C. Christian said:
Wow.
They need to shut down those overpasses in that bottom right photo until they are cleared by engineers. Hard to believe they didn't take some structural damage.
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In reply to Rapier108 • 6:37p, 8/4/20
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um maybe you don't let it get hot

or don't site it next to bottle rockets

also this


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In reply to aggiehawg • 6:42p, 8/4/20
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expertise by proxy
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6:42p, 8/4/20
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Almost equivalent to the Halifax Explosion in 1917 (2,900 tons of munitions)...hoped to never see something like that in my lifetime.


....but another note, when are they going to learn to stop posting Mohammed videos on YouTube?!?
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In reply to HalifaxAg • 6:47p, 8/4/20
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HalifaxAg said:
Almost equivalent to the Halifax Explosion in 1917 (2,900 tons of munitions)...hoped to never see something like that in my lifetime.


....but another note, when are they going to learn to stop posting Mohammed videos on YouTube?!?
You were alive in 1917?

And who cares about posting Mohammed videos on youtube?
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